Nagorno-Karabakh: Three Lessons for Russia to Learn


The armed conflict in Nagorno-Karabakh is systematically moving towards its resolution, which, apparently, will be completely different from what it was initially thought. It is very likely that instead of another outbreak of escalation, resulting in more or less prolonged positional battles, to the mutual and mutual depletion of the forces of the fighting sides, this time we will face a "war to the bitter end" performed by Turkey-backed Azerbaijan.


Will the return of Nagorno-Karabakh under the rule of Baku (and this particular ending is already practically inevitable) a geopolitical catastrophe for Moscow? No. However, this will be a rather unpleasant new reality, from which our country should certainly draw serious lessons.

1. Half friend ...


Yes, in full accordance with the well-known saying, someone who, even without expressing openly anti-Russian views and trying to maintain more or less normal relations with Moscow, while “looking” in a completely opposite geopolitical “direction” - to the West, is for us enemy, at least half. However, in fact, in the current conditions of increasingly aggravated confrontation between the leading powers of the world, no "half" can be here by definition. Or or...

Who came to power with the help of traditional "Maidan" of technologies In no case could Nikol Pashinyan be a friend, but a more or less reliable partner for Russia. He did not become one, but today he makes serious claims. It's time, finally, to make it clear to all those who intend to build really long-term, in-depth and mutually beneficial relations with our country - policy "Multi-vector approach" is categorically unacceptable. For Moscow, of course. Enough - some have already reached several "fairs" at once. Alexander Grigorievich - he almost got there, but at least caught himself in time. But Pashinyan, with his pathological passion to persecute the most pro-Russian politicians, seems to have played out reliably and completely. Today, he longs for the Kremlin to enter the war, and, no doubt, he will soon begin to accuse him of "treachery" and unwillingness to "protect allies." I bet anything - that's how it will happen.

Honestly, sometimes one gets the impression that it is Pashinyan, and not Aliyev, who acts as a conductor of the plan to draw our country into a bloody armed conflict, and in a theater of military operations that is completely unfavorable for it and with extremely dubious geopolitical prospects. The latter, on the contrary, does not get tired of repeating that the Azerbaijani troops do not intend to take a single step deep into the Armenian territory in order not to give Russia a reason to carry out direct military intervention. No matter what they try to push him from Ankara, the head of Azerbaijan understands perfectly well that such a demarche will become suicidal for his army. The Armenian leader, in spite of the fact that he is probably clearly aware of the absence of legal grounds for joining military operations in our country, is trying to "beat" pity and "allied duty", as he personally understands it.

However, Pashinyan can already be considered a “turned page” both in the history of Armenia itself and in relations between Yerevan and Moscow. Remaining in power after the end of the current war does not shine for him at all, since this "leader" will almost inevitably lose it. Actually, he has already lost - so he is trying to drag Moscow into the fight. However, in order for the victory of Baku on the "Karabakh front" not to turn into a colossal military-strategic triumph of Turkey in the Caucasus, Russia should not engage in hostilities, but, first of all, take care that an absolutely loyal to her will be in power in Yerevan leader. And you need to do this now.

2. We don't need a Turkish coast ...


The actions of Ankara, on which, to be objective, lies all the full responsibility for everything that is happening now, and will still happen in Nagorno-Karabakh, should become for our country that notorious "last call", after which the final, irrevocable and irrevocable revise the conclusions. And the main one should be considered the complete, alas, futility of further attempts to establish "partnership relations" with Turkey in its current state - neo-Ottoman and Pan-Turkic rage. It must be admitted that the desire to "tear" this country away from the West (primarily from the United States), to take it out of NATO's "orbit" was, in principle, sound and correct.

It was by following him that the Kremlin for a very long time not only forgave Recep Erdogan those things that should not be forgiven in principle, but also naturally saved him and protected him from his own compatriots, the putschists. So he rescued himself on his head. Imagining himself as a new sultan, this Turkish leader seems to have seriously swung either at the creation of a new Ottoman Port, or at something similar, which is equally unacceptable to Russian geopolitical interests. Alas, in this case the proverb is not even about half friends, but about the futility of feeding the wolf. No matter how Moscow “cajole” the Turks, they will still see it as the main geopolitical enemy. And act accordingly.

At the same time, in any situation when the harshest response is not immediately given to their aggressive actions, such a reaction by the descendants of the janissaries will be perceived not as a manifestation of wisdom or peacefulness, but as the most ordinary weakness encouraging new, even more daring antics. Not getting his hands on his hands in Syria, Erdogan developed a stormy activity in Libya. It got off there too - he grew bold enough that he climbed into the Caucasus. His next demarche of this kind, almost certainly, will follow already in Ukraine - in the Donbass or in the Crimea, possibly in both of these places. Nobody, of course, calls for an immediate declaration of war on Turkey or even breaking off diplomatic relations with it.

However, Moscow needs to do everything in order to seize the strategic initiative in this confrontation and at least once give the newly-minted "sultan" a hefty slap in the face, which, if not completely enlighten him, then at least make him temper his ardor for a while. By provoking and supporting an armed conflict already in the immediate vicinity of our borders, Turkey makes it clear that it does not intend to reckon with Russia and its geopolitical interests in the slightest degree. It's time to explain to its leaders the depth and danger of such a delusion - and certainly not with the help of new supplies of S-400s or the construction of another gas pipeline for Ankara.

3. Do not tie your hands ...


Even with the most ardent desire to provide military assistance to Armenia in the current situation, Russia simply cannot do this. Yes, judging by the words of Vladimir Putin, which he said at the Valdai Forum, the Kremlin has its own point of view on the conflict, and, let's face it, Armenia is much closer to us in many respects. However, there are both UN Resolution No. 884 and other internationally recognized documents, which are signed by the representatives of Russia, in accordance with which Nagorno-Karabakh is recognized as the territory of Azerbaijan - period.

To retreat from the position supported by our country at that time means, firstly, to unleash a flurry of negativity from the “world community”, comparable to the one that followed the “Crimean Spring” and reunification with the peninsula, and secondly, finally and irrevocably untie Ankara's hands - both in this clash and in all others. Of course, it is impossible to "play back" the events of fifteen years ago. However, the question is that today's Russia, which has a completely different leadership and, most importantly, a completely different foreign policy course, does not repeat the actions of those distant years and does not create new problems for itself, including for the future. Why should the fate of the former post-Soviet republics be dealt with by the United States, France, Germany, or someone else? This is the sphere of vital interests of our country and its neighbors. And the leading role here should be played by Moscow, not afraid of responsibility and consequences.

We run the risk of falling into exactly the same trap as with Karabakh in the very near future with Donbass, thanks to the “Minsk Agreements”, which again speaks of the “territorial integrity of Ukraine”, and not about what should have been there. actually said. After all, there is not a word in these documents about the true causes of the conflict - the West-inspired coup d'état in Kiev, the subsequent acts of genocide of the Russian-speaking population of the "nonzalezhnaya" in Odessa and in the East of the country. Our country again signed the documents, tightly tying its hands and forcibly "pushing" Donbass back into Ukraine, where it cannot expect anything but death. It is not for nothing that the mood in the Republics has significantly worsened after Moscow has repeatedly voiced its position of neutrality and non-interference in the conflict over Nagorno-Karabakh, while emphasizing its adherence to the "letter of international agreements." "Dartmouth", "Normandy" and similar "formats" are for the West only ways to reliably tie Russia's hands, prevent it from becoming the main arbiter and guarantor of security in, at least, the so-called "post-Soviet space".

In reality, everything goes to the fact that sooner or later Moscow will either have to recognize the "unrecognized republics" for which it is the only hope and support - Donetsk, Lugansk, Transnistria, and so on, or silently observe how sooner or later all of them will befall the fate of "Free Artsakh". The process of revising the international legal relations of our country, which has now begun, should include not only the rejection of agreements that directly interfere in our internal affairs, but also those documents that prevent Russia from pursuing an independent foreign policy.

Let me repeat myself - the development of events in Nagorno-Karabakh, even according to the most negative scenario in the form of establishing control over it by the Azerbaijani side, will, by and large, be a defeat for Yerevan, not Moscow. If only the leaders of our country act adequately and correctly perceive all the lessons learned. Those that will help minimize losses from new similar crises, which, no doubt, are not far off.
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  1. steelmaker Offline steelmaker
    steelmaker 2 November 2020 11: 02
    +3
    Reading such articles, I am once again convinced that a person who thinks about his country and his people thinks correctly. And he tries to prove his point of view with examples. And oddly enough, it is his point of view that turns out to be correct. For example Glazyev, Delyagin, Platoshkin, Grudinin, which from their point of view was not correct. On the contrary - everything comes true! And Putin? Who owns much more information than anyone else, does the opposite. And the result is appropriate. Why? Because Putin and Co., defend the interests of anyone but not Russia and not the people of Russia! For 20 years, he only says what is needed and how it should be. Therefore, to talk about lessons - to whom? Anyone who is guided by the interests of Russia would have solved all the problems with all the former republics long ago. And for this you just need something for the family and business to be and live in Russia!
    1. rotkiv04 Offline rotkiv04
      rotkiv04 (Victor) 2 November 2020 12: 55
      +7
      so he did not seem to hide that in his views he is a liberal and the point of view of Glazyev, Delyagin, etc. he does not share, but he always defended the interests of Russian business, and as long as these interests coincided with the interests of the people, everything was more or less balanced, but now the food base has decreased and interests diverge more and more, a banal robbery and impoverishment of the people simply begins
    2. Digital error Offline Digital error
      Digital error (Eugene) 3 November 2020 23: 06
      -2
      Quote: steel maker
      For example Glazyev, Delyagin, Platoshkin, Grudinin

      They are outcasts, criminals and city madmen. Are you not looking at Russia-24? smile
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    3. Thomas the Unbeliever_2 (Doubting Thomas) 8 November 2020 10: 28
      -1
      Steelmaker, do you want to fight? Who's in the way? I left even for Donbass, even for Armenia, even for Azerbaijan and fight for your health, but do not try to give advice from the couch in front of the computer.
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  2. Igor Pavlovich Offline Igor Pavlovich
    Igor Pavlovich (Igor Pavlovich) 2 November 2020 11: 13
    0
    ... "However, there are both UN Resolution No. 884 and other internationally recognized documents, which are signed by the representatives of Russia, in accordance with which Nagorno-Karabakh is recognized as the territory of Azerbaijan - and that's it." ...

    - only in the situation with Crimea, despite the "UN resolutions and other internationally recognized documents, which are signed by the representatives of Russia," for some reason, they put an end to the other side and, at the same time, are constantly offended by "double standards" ...
    1. Andrey Gubin Offline Andrey Gubin
      Andrey Gubin (Andrey Gubin) 3 November 2020 17: 04
      -2
      And what does it give the right to genocide the local population ?? !! Just don't drive about Aliyev's speeches ...
      This liar, boor and deceiver in power need to hold ?! And in Baku, not a few people who think so ..
    2. Digital error Offline Digital error
      Digital error (Eugene) 3 November 2020 23: 08
      -2
      Quote: Igor Pavlovich
      only in the situation with Crimea, despite the "UN resolutions

      chill! respected people have built hotels there, but the business plan has not yet been worked out. And in general - Crimea is ours!
      1. Oleg Bratkov Offline Oleg Bratkov
        Oleg Bratkov (Oleg Bratkov) 6 November 2020 17: 45
        +4
        Crimea is an autonomous republic, and never the territory of Ukraine.
        The border of Ukraine and Russia is not defined, and let the UN wipe itself out with its resolutions.
  3. Bulanov Offline Bulanov
    Bulanov (Vladimir) 2 November 2020 11: 15
    +7
    "Alexander Grigorievich - he almost got there, but at least caught himself in time"

    Well, apparently, I didn't quite catch it, since I again started talking about multi-vector ...
    And Pashinyan, before appealing to Moscow and Russia, it would be desirable to close the American military biological laboratory in Armenia. It is completely unknown what she does there. For a CSTO member, an American base (and a military biological laboratory is also a base) is unacceptable on its territory.
  4. Vladimir Tuzakov (Vladimir Tuzakov) 2 November 2020 11: 22
    +4
    The author's fear of Turkey's opportunities is too hypertrophied, and therefore the conclusions are not adequate. Turkey Erdogan's attempts to oppose too many (from Egypt, the Saudis to France, not counting Greece and others) and created too many obstacles to successfully advance its intentions .. Let Turkey fight its enemies, and Russia only support Turkey so that it does not destroyed prematurely (as with the unsuccessful coup of 2016 with the transition under direct control of the United States) ... The fate of the LPR and DPR is revealingly revealed, if they are not adopted by a referendum in the Russian Federation, the fate will be a foregone conclusion and perhaps by a bloody military force and the Russian government will turn out to be a direct traitor hundreds of thousands of representatives of the Russian world, everything is heading towards that ... Although the government of the Russian Federation never bothered to protect Russians and Russian-speaking people, when they literally slaughtered Russians in the Caucasus, in the Central Asian republics, and even now in Antrusian attempts, starting from Kazakhstan, Armenia, etc. .. The Russian government does not even express concern. Sometimes you wonder, and not the essentially anti-Russian government of the Russian Federation, when the president of Russia calls Russian patriots idiots and criminals and does nothing to involve them in the construction of Russia, only repression ...
    1. Digital error Offline Digital error
      Digital error (Eugene) 3 November 2020 23: 12
      +1
      Quote: Vladimir Tuzakov
      the fear of Turkey's opportunities is hypertrophied

      as experience shows, the Islamists should not be underestimated. And they are everywhere along the perimeter of the former "socialist camp". In the absence of Russia's attention to them (indirect proof of the absence of an "imperial" policy, but we want the CSTO and the EurAsEC), the vacuum is filled with different ideas ...
  5. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 2 November 2020 12: 03
    -4
    And, as always, someone knows better than Putin what to do.

    These endless instructions to the air "must, will, must .."
  6. RIVDV-123 Release (Grigor Asatryan) 2 November 2020 12: 27
    +1
    You can and say the right things from a part, there is one BUT, you say that the main thing that you should do is to put your proteges in Armenia, because Pashinyan will be written off. You probably argue as the officers of the Wehrmacht reasoned, believing that the people will throw off the objectionable Stalin and will go under some kind of German governor. You are 1000% wrong about that. Why? Pro-Russian (as you think) Kocharyan and Sargsyan, instead of making the army combat-ready during their 20 years of rule, focused only on an umbrella from Russia. What's the bottom line? The army approached the war with weapons for the war in Afghanistan in the 80s. Did Pashinyan do it? Pashinyan has been ruling the country for 2,5 years, and Kocharyan and Sargsyan for more than 20, for the Armenian people it is obvious that they did much more in the collapse of the army (each has a fortune estimated at $ 1 billion with the total budget of the entire army per year 600 million), and not Pashinyan. The second important factor is that after defeat, if any, Pashinyan's positions will be much stronger than those of the conventionally "pro-Russian" politicians. Of course, there will be people paid for by Kocharyan and Sergei, who will shout, down with Pashinyan, but I can say for sure, my relatives who live there unanimously say that they would never want to return to the times of Sargsyan and Kocharyan, and therefore to the so-called " I emphasize this word "to the pro-Russian course, which has never been such. One of the main points that I often hear in the media is that the US Embassy in Armenia is huge. This is blamed on Pashinyan. And the Russian media do not know when this embassy became like this, until 2018 or long before, during the days of "pro-Russian politicians." Why didn't they ask these questions then, but now they ask? Very, very, strange. And the most IMPORTANT, even if we assume that Pashinyan and Co. are proteges of the West, using the example of this behavior of Russia, they will clearly "show" what an ally Russia is. And many media outlets should often say how Armenia votes on resolutions on Russia and how Azerbaijan votes, and that Armenia gets hit on the head from the US and Europe for such a position. They say, if you love Russia so much, let it help you, and Russia says, if you love the West so much, let it help you. In any case, I think that Russia will lose its positions in the long-term projection in Armenia, I will not be surprised that if Armenia loses (as you write) the war, then a PRC or US base may appear there, and Russia will lose its last ally (this is objective) in region, as well as lost Azerbaijan and Georgia before.
    1. steelmaker Offline steelmaker
      steelmaker 2 November 2020 13: 55
      +5
      "Pro-Russian (as you think) Kocharyan and Sargsyan"

      And who told you that they were about Russian? Under Putin, there is not a single one about the Russian politician, except for Lukashenka. And judging by the way Azerbaijan relates to the Russian language, Azerbaijan is our ally, not Armenia.
      1. DeGreen Offline DeGreen
        DeGreen 3 November 2020 07: 16
        +3
        The Armenians themselves admitted that over the past 12 years, they have closed 80% of schools in Russian.
    2. Andrey Gubin Offline Andrey Gubin
      Andrey Gubin (Andrey Gubin) 3 November 2020 17: 11
      -1
      I share your opinion ?! Nicol is not sugar, but he needs to hold on to a situation that depends little on him ...

      Horses on the crossing do not change !!!

      They cherish and do !!! "
  7. Cheburashk Offline Cheburashk
    Cheburashk (Vladimir) 2 November 2020 12: 52
    +4
    Quote: RIVDV-123 Issue
    You can and say the right things from a part, there is one BUT, you say that the main thing that you should do is to put your proteges in Armenia, because Pashinyan will be written off. You probably argue as the officers of the Wehrmacht reasoned, believing that the people will throw off the objectionable Stalin and will go under some kind of German governor. You are 1000% wrong about that. Why? Pro-Russian (as you think) Kocharyan and Sargsyan, instead of making the army combat-ready during their 20 years of rule, focused only on an umbrella from Russia. What's the bottom line? The army approached the war with weapons for the war in Afghanistan in the 80s. Did Pashinyan do it? Pashinyan has been ruling the country for 2,5 years, and Kocharyan and Sargsyan for more than 20, for the Armenian people it is obvious that they did much more in the collapse of the army (each has a fortune estimated at $ 1 billion with the total budget of the entire army per year 600 million), and not Pashinyan. The second important factor is that after defeat, if any, Pashinyan's positions will be much stronger than those of the conventionally "pro-Russian" politicians. Of course, there will be people paid for by Kocharyan and Sergei, who will shout, down with Pashinyan, but I can say for sure, my relatives who live there unanimously say that they would never want to return to the times of Sargsyan and Kocharyan, and therefore to the so-called " I emphasize this word "to the pro-Russian course, which has never been such. One of the main points that I often hear in the media is that the US Embassy in Armenia is huge. This is blamed on Pashinyan. And the Russian media do not know when this embassy became like this, until 2018 or long before, during the days of "pro-Russian politicians." Why didn't they ask these questions then, but now they ask? Very, very, strange. And the most IMPORTANT, even if we assume that Pashinyan and Co. are proteges of the West, using the example of this behavior of Russia, they will clearly "show" what an ally Russia is. And many media outlets should often say how Armenia votes on resolutions on Russia and how Azerbaijan votes, and that Armenia gets hit on the head from the US and Europe for such a position. They say, if you love Russia so much, let it help you, and Russia says, if you love the West so much, let it help you. In any case, I think that Russia will lose its positions in the long-term projection in Armenia, I will not be surprised that if Armenia loses (as you write) the war, then a PRC or US base may appear there, and Russia will lose its last ally (this is objective) in region, as well as lost Azerbaijan and Georgia before.

    Based on your words, Russia should fall at the feet of Armenia and ask for forgiveness that it did not give anything and did not pay attention ???? Do not shift everything from a sore head to a healthy one, look what your Pashinyan said and did during his rule in relation to Russia. Damn, Russia is to blame for everything, and it constantly owes something.
    1. RIVDV-123 Release (Grigor Asatryan) 2 November 2020 13: 37
      0
      Yes, it should not do anything, if Russia does not need Armenia, why is the GDP dragging her to the CSTO by the ears, dragging her to Evrazes by the ears? Well, let's disperse in peace or you need a base to BE in the South Caucasus, but why don't we owe you anything. And do you owe Armen to something? If you put the question of alliance like this, we don't owe you anything, so stop pretending to be an empire. Lost it in 91, now you are feverishly trying to mold a whole from the fragments with screams, but we don't owe you. And who and what owes you in this case? Russia says to everyone, you will die without us. After all, even this does not deter these countries. A couple more generations will pass in Ukraine and they will live with their Neighbor, not with their native Russia, but with their neighbor Russia, they bend Central Asia, so they are gone anyway. Bent over Georgia - Georgia left. Everybody left. Every day they show how "pro-Russian" Dadon is in the elections and what. With all the losses from Russia, the Moldovans still voted yesterday for the most part not for Dadon. You see how it happens, you think that they will not be able to do it without you, but it turns out that they not only can, but also live for a long time. And then you are surprised, Rockets at our door. Terrorists are at our door. It is necessary to decide who is Russia, a reliable ally, offering support to its satellites or giving these satellites to others, but those others need both Georgia and Moldova only to pacify Russia, to drag their missiles as close as possible. Russia has been losing this war for 30 years and soon there will not be a single friendly (at least formally) state around Russia. And you agree that it is strange when everyone around is not friends, every single one, and even more so for the empire.
      1. steelmaker Offline steelmaker
        steelmaker 2 November 2020 14: 23
        +2
        And who and what owes you in this case?

        Well, the Armenians still should. If not for Russia, it is not known yet, would there be such a nation in the Caucasus?
      2. Peter rybak Offline Peter rybak
        Peter rybak (Patrol) 3 November 2020 09: 40
        +1
        There are positions in which I basically agree with you. This is when it comes to a colossus with feet of clay, an empire. It has not existed for a long time. A country of 140 million people, of which 80% struggles daily to survive, is not an empire. The country from which young and young brains drain in search of decent work and life is not an empire. A country in which power has not changed for 20 years and in the end has climbed into a bunker, not an empire.
        But there is a big disadvantage for you. A large part of the modern Russian political and business elite are Armenians. They got their hands on television channels, entire lines of business, etc. The Armenians made a non-aggressive seizure of the entire Russian industrial south, infiltrated the local power system, practically manage the lion's share of business from Rostov to the Ministry of Water Resources, including the entire Krasnodar Territory. Russia allowed this to you.
        Even the Chinese began to beat on the hands in the Far East, although the Chinese are more useful to Russia than to Armenia. But you were not touched.
        And imagine you are sliding to the West. The same thing that happened to the Georgians will happen. They were smoothly squeezed out of Russia. With you it is, of course, impossible. Not because you will raise a high all over the world, but because you have infiltrated the Russian government. You know very well that Sergey Viktorovich Lavrov is actually a Tbilisi Armenian Sergey Viktorovich Kalantaryan. Where is even more? You understand whose side he is on when discussing the situation in Karabakh.
        Let's not get distracted. This is not the point.
        As soon as you rush to the West, Russia will do everything to crush you. Not with your own hands. Somewhere he will come to an agreement with Iran, somewhere with Azerbaijan, somewhere he will ask for Turkey. He will ask, because 80 million Turkey is in no way inferior to Russia either in power or greatness. Yes, she does not have raw materials, but this is only a plus. The country has skillfully built its economy. And in Russia, with its bottomless bowels, 20 million people live below the poverty line. This line was drawn by the state. If the people themselves draw it, then more than 100 million people will be on the other side.
        But Russia will come to an agreement with Armenia's neighbors, who treat the United States without reverence. Even if some loyal attitude towards the United States remained in Azerbaijan, doors were opened for American business, then after the position of the United States in the civil war in Azerbaijan, the attitude towards this country changed. And there is information that it will not be so easy for American business in Baku.
        You are right that Pashinyan did not directly lead Armenia to the crisis. The crisis in Armenia was needed to decide on the EU. Pashinyan became Kiriyenko, who was made prime minister for a couple of days and brought down the Russian economy overnight. But this collapse at that time was vital for the country. Kiriyenko took over the fire for an important goal.
        I think Pashinyan has the same role.
      3. Digital error Offline Digital error
        Digital error (Eugene) 3 November 2020 23: 13
        -2
        Quote: RIVDV-123 Issue
        bend Central Asia, so they are gone anyway.

        imperial ambitions - they are so ...
      4. Heroes Heroes Offline Heroes Heroes
        Heroes Heroes (Sergei) 8 November 2020 14: 18
        0
        And you know I will support you! I will support that such neighbors are not needed! Neither Armenians nor Azerbaijanis. And Kazakhs with ukrami too. Make visas like with the Balts. And stop migration to Russia from these countries. And the diasporas are here to destroy them. For there is nothing. In Russia you are RUSSIAN !!! Not an Armenian or an Azerbaijani.
  8. Case Offline Case
    Case (David Makarov) 2 November 2020 14: 05
    -2
    Quote: Igor Pavlovich
    However, there are both UN Resolution No. 884 and other internationally recognized documents, which are signed by the representatives of Russia, in accordance with which Nagorno-Karabakh is recognized as the territory of Azerbaijan - period. "... - only in the situation with Crimea, despite the" resolutions The UN and other internationally recognized documents, which are signed by the representatives of Russia, "for some reason, put an end to the other side and, at the same time, are constantly offended by" double standards "...

    Double standards are evident !!!!!!!
  9. Case Offline Case
    Case (David Makarov) 2 November 2020 14: 08
    -2
    Quote: RIVDV-123 Issue
    You can and say the right things from a part, there is one BUT, you say that the main thing that you should do is to put your proteges in Armenia, because Pashinyan will be written off. You probably argue as the officers of the Wehrmacht reasoned, believing that the people will throw off the objectionable Stalin and will go under some kind of German governor. You are 1000% wrong about that. Why? Pro-Russian (as you think) Kocharyan and Sargsyan, instead of making the army combat-ready during their 20 years of rule, focused only on an umbrella from Russia. What's the bottom line? The army approached the war with weapons for the war in Afghanistan in the 80s. Did Pashinyan do it? Pashinyan has been ruling the country for 2,5 years, and Kocharyan and Sargsyan for more than 20, for the Armenian people it is obvious that they did much more in the collapse of the army (each has a fortune estimated at $ 1 billion with the total budget of the entire army per year 600 million), and not Pashinyan. The second important factor is that after defeat, if any, Pashinyan's positions will be much stronger than those of the conventionally "pro-Russian" politicians. Of course, there will be people paid for by Kocharyan and Sergei, who will shout, down with Pashinyan, but I can say for sure, my relatives who live there unanimously say that they would never want to return to the times of Sargsyan and Kocharyan, and therefore to the so-called " I emphasize this word "to the pro-Russian course, which has never been such. One of the main points that I often hear in the media is that the US Embassy in Armenia is huge. This is blamed on Pashinyan. And the Russian media do not know when this embassy became like this, until 2018 or long before, during the days of "pro-Russian politicians." Why didn't they ask these questions then, but now they ask? Very, very, strange. And the most IMPORTANT, even if we assume that Pashinyan and Co. are proteges of the West, using the example of this behavior of Russia, they will clearly "show" what an ally Russia is. And many media outlets should often say how Armenia votes on resolutions on Russia and how Azerbaijan votes, and that Armenia gets hit on the head from the US and Europe for such a position. They say, if you love Russia so much, let it help you, and Russia says, if you love the West so much, let it help you. In any case, I think that Russia will lose its positions in the long-term projection in Armenia, I will not be surprised that if Armenia loses (as you write) the war, then a PRC or US base may appear there, and Russia will lose its last ally (this is objective) in region, as well as lost Azerbaijan and Georgia before.

    Although I am not a supporter of Pashinyan, the fact that the army was not ready is not his fault 100%
    1. RIVDV-123 Release (Grigor Asatryan) 2 November 2020 14: 53
      -1
      And his fault, not his fault, his fault here is only that he was the last one in a series of events. One of them leaves in Ukraine, another comes, and the party at least passes the parliament, but these "pro-Russian" parties had 70% of the support of the "people" and without "their" head of the electoral committee it did not pass the 5% barrier
      1. Digital error Offline Digital error
        Digital error (Eugene) 3 November 2020 23: 15
        +1
        Quote: RIVDV-123 Issue
        these "pro-Russian" parties had 70% of the support of the "people" and without "their" head of the electoral committee it did not pass the 5% barrier

        for that you and a minus - the local contingent does not like the truth-womb - it cuts eyes hi
      2. Heroes Heroes Offline Heroes Heroes
        Heroes Heroes (Sergei) 8 November 2020 14: 21
        0
        Ukrainians are a clinic!
  10. Cheburashk Offline Cheburashk
    Cheburashk (Vladimir) 2 November 2020 14: 12
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    Quote: Dava
    Quote: RIVDV-123 Issue
    You can and say the right things from a part, there is one BUT, you say that the main thing that you should do is to put your proteges in Armenia, because Pashinyan will be written off. You probably argue as the officers of the Wehrmacht reasoned, believing that the people will throw off the objectionable Stalin and will go under some kind of German governor. You are 1000% wrong about that. Why? Pro-Russian (as you think) Kocharyan and Sargsyan, instead of making the army combat-ready during their 20 years of rule, focused only on an umbrella from Russia. What's the bottom line? The army approached the war with weapons for the war in Afghanistan in the 80s. Did Pashinyan do it? Pashinyan has been ruling the country for 2,5 years, and Kocharyan and Sargsyan for more than 20, for the Armenian people it is obvious that they did much more in the collapse of the army (each has a fortune estimated at $ 1 billion with the total budget of the entire army per year 600 million), and not Pashinyan. The second important factor is that after defeat, if any, Pashinyan's positions will be much stronger than those of the conventionally "pro-Russian" politicians. Of course, there will be people paid for by Kocharyan and Sergei, who will shout, down with Pashinyan, but I can say for sure, my relatives who live there unanimously say that they would never want to return to the times of Sargsyan and Kocharyan, and therefore to the so-called " I emphasize this word "to the pro-Russian course, which has never been such. One of the main points that I often hear in the media is that the US Embassy in Armenia is huge. This is blamed on Pashinyan. And the Russian media do not know when this embassy became like this, until 2018 or long before, during the days of "pro-Russian politicians." Why didn't they ask these questions then, but now they ask? Very, very, strange. And the most IMPORTANT, even if we assume that Pashinyan and Co. are proteges of the West, using the example of this behavior of Russia, they will clearly "show" what an ally Russia is. And many media outlets should often say how Armenia votes on resolutions on Russia and how Azerbaijan votes, and that Armenia gets hit on the head from the US and Europe for such a position. They say, if you love Russia so much, let it help you, and Russia says, if you love the West so much, let it help you. In any case, I think that Russia will lose its positions in the long-term projection in Armenia, I will not be surprised that if Armenia loses (as you write) the war, then a PRC or US base may appear there, and Russia will lose its last ally (this is objective) in region, as well as lost Azerbaijan and Georgia before.

    Although I am not Pashinyan's stronik, it is not his fault that the army was not ready 100%

    I wonder whose? For 2,5 years nothing has been done at all. And he also looks askance at Artsakh, so to speak.
  11. boriz Offline boriz
    boriz (boriz) 2 November 2020 14: 31
    +2
    And you need to do this now.

    It should have been done a couple of weeks ago. While the Armenians are dull, the window of opportunity is gradually closing.
    And the Russian Federation indicated the possible measure.
    Azerbaijan was hinted at the closure of the agricultural market.
    Turkey - oil fields in Syria and a militant camp were bombed. And then an earthquake in Izmir, you don't know what to think: whether the Lord is for us and against Turkey, or ... Do such coincidences happen?
    But now all international politics are frozen in anticipation. No one is interested in taking decisive action until the picture in the United States becomes clear. There, in reality, 3-4 scenarios and, depending on the development of events there, events will develop around the world.
    Moreover, it remains to wait ...
    1. Peter rybak Offline Peter rybak
      Peter rybak (Patrol) 3 November 2020 10: 18
      0
      Quote: boriz
      And you need to do this now.

      Azerbaijan was hinted at the closure of the agricultural market.
      Turkey - oil fields in Syria and a militant camp were bombed. And then an earthquake in Izmir, you don't know what to think: whether the Lord is for us and against Turkey, or ... Do such coincidences happen? ...

      There are coincidences and we remember them. For example, Spitak, Leninakan.
      The closure of the Russian agricultural market for Azerbaijan is, of course, a serious problem. But it will never be realized. It is almost impossible to implement. This will mean the complete exclusion of Russia from oil and gas production in Azerbaijan. And you ask what Gazprom and LUKoil are doing in Azerbaijan, or Rosneft. The Wolf, the son of the Wolf, is in power in Azerbaijan. The son of the one who swallowed politicians of the modern type without choking. Do you think Ilham Aliyev did not take into account all the disadvantages of his steps? Didn't you discuss them with anyone possible?
      He called and talked to everyone, including Putin.
      I took into account the difficult situation in the EU, the invasion of the coronavirus in Europe. Successfully (pardon the cynicism) turned up the murder of a teacher in France and the subsequent unrest in Europe. I wonder if this is just luck or a planned action? There is no problem to come to an agreement with Kadyrov. It is only in Russia that those who are south of their borders are considered blockheads and dullards. And these same "blockheads and dullards" chuckle in their beard and smoothly have everyone they want. Because it is smarter, more patriotic, with a long-range scope.
      They also took into account the fact that the elections in the USA and the Americans are busy with their own affairs.
      They took into account the split in the political elite of Armenia.
      They took into account the fact that Russia will not be able to openly take part in the war, because it has Belarus on its side, Khabarovsk on the edge, riots in the regions about which the pro-government media are silent, boiling Moscow, and the ever-dissatisfied opposition. The very first cargo 200 from the Caucasus will put the entire Russian government in an interesting position.
      Provided for military exercises jointly with Turkey, after which weapons remained for the whole war.
      The impending unrest in Iran was foreseen, when the local Azerbaijani population began to organize pogroms because of the position of the Iranian elite in relation to Northern Azerbaijan. And Iran has turned its attitude towards Azerbaijan 180 degrees.
      There is much more.
      They even took into account the coming winter, when inexperienced reservists from the Armenian Armed Forces will find themselves in the situation of mountain guerrillas. They could not take Shusha and Lachin in the forehead, they poked their heads and stopped, considering that it was pointless to lose people in frontal attacks. They took at gunpoint the Lachin corridor and the road from Khankendi (Stepankert) to Shushi. Like, in winter we'll see how long you will last.
      At the moment, the Lachin corridor is not being shelled just so that the remnants of the civilian population could painlessly leave the Azerbaijani territory. And this has been agreed with the Russian Federation. But at the X-hour the gate will slam shut and the artillery preparation will blow this entire corridor to hell.
      I tell you, Russia is currently in awe of what is happening in the Caucasus. The military of our country is urgently studying the possibilities of war of drones, both flying and ground. The politicians, with a warm head proposing all sorts of actions against Azerbaijan, the next day hastily declare that they were misunderstood, that Russia has no right to interfere in the internal affairs of Azerbaijan. But if something happens to Armenia, Russia will intervene.
      And too much we believed in the omnipotence of the United States. She will not physically be able to get to the Caucasus. No country will open air borders for it - neither Russia, nor Iran, nor Turkey, nor Azerbaijan. Turkey and Russia will not let it into the Black Sea, Iran and Azerbaijan - in the Caspian Sea. No Central Asian country will violate Muslim solidarity or allow Americans to cross its territory.
      And Russia will never let the United States into its sphere of interests. No matter how many contradictions Russia has with Turkey, whether you like it or not, these are allies. Lovely quarrels only amuse themselves. THIS IS ALL LEARNED !!!

      Armenia and Azerbaijan should sit down at the negotiating table in Tbilisi with the mediation of Georgia. A sort of Transcaucasian trio. The interests of these three states are most affected. All regions of Azerbaijan should be returned, although they, by and large, have already been recaptured. Nagorno-Karabakh should receive special autonomy, both cultural and social. Refugees must be returned. The safety of the Armenian population living in Karabakh must be ensured by the Azerbaijani and Russian peacekeepers (if Russia wants to retain its influence in the Caucasus).
      Here's the only chance.
      Otherwise, there will be a war of extermination.
      1. boriz Offline boriz
        boriz (boriz) 3 November 2020 11: 54
        +1
        Russia does not have to fight for influence in the Caucasus. He will be in its currency zone anyway. And those countries that now, through thoughtlessness, create problems for Russia, will be omitted in their status within this zone.
        Aliyev has no idea what is happening in the world now. After the US elections, the division of the world into currency zones will begin. Countries of the rank of Azerbaijan and even Turkey will not have the right to vote. They will not even be asked for their opinion if the outline of the borders changes. Now the smartest thing that Aliyev can do now is to ask Putin and do what he says. If he persists further, he will rise on the same level with Pashinyan, who, at the command of the hosts (WB), merges Armenia for the sake of the Russian and WB teams.
        Watch this video, there, in general terms, in the first half, it explains what is happening in Karabakh.



        There is no need to arrange a quarrel on this matter. Just listen and then see what really happens. Fortunately, it won't take long.
        And the WB's flirtations with Ukraine have the same roots. The World Bank uses Armenia, Karabakh, Azerbaijan, Turkey, and Ukraine for its own purposes. And then (regardless of the result) he will throw them to sort things out with Russia.
        1. Peter rybak Offline Peter rybak
          Peter rybak (Patrol) 3 November 2020 21: 49
          +2
          Many letters, almost 1 hour and nothing new. An intelligent person, wonderful analysis and logic. And you never know such clever on a sinful earth? And your belief in Khazin or others is a little embarrassing. Do you have apostles? Based on the real world situation. Let's wait a couple of weeks. Before hitting the world of universal conspiracies.
          1. boriz Offline boriz
            boriz (boriz) 3 November 2020 23: 19
            +1
            There are no apostles. I just started reading and listening to Khazin more than two years ago. Therefore, I trust his opinion in the economy, state structure, geopolitics and the knowledge of many individuals in our leadership.
      2. Digital error Offline Digital error
        Digital error (Eugene) 3 November 2020 23: 24
        -2
        Quote: Peter Rybak
        For example, Spitak, Leninakan

        train explosions on June 4, 1987 and 1988. June 4, according to the popular calendar, is the day of the Basilisk. Old-style is May 22nd. The people said that on this day the Basilisk monster hatches from an egg. According to mythology, the Basilisk had the head of a rooster, the body, the eyes of a toad, and the tail was borrowed from a snake. In addition, this monster could kill with just one glance ...
  12. Ivancarafuto Offline Ivancarafuto
    Ivancarafuto (Ivan) 2 November 2020 15: 03
    +1
    Nothing new is happening on the borders of Russia and around them. The betrayal of Gorbachev and Yeltsin (or rather the party elite) threw Russia back in the time of Catherine II. Until people of the level of Alexander I and General Yermolov appear, until the will appears in the government offices, Russia will go in the "tail" of events ...
    1. RIVDV-123 Release (Grigor Asatryan) 2 November 2020 15: 29
      -4
      100% Support
      1. passing by Offline passing by
        passing by (passing by) 2 November 2020 17: 23
        +1
        you already had an analogue of Ermolov who put the top of Karabakh on bayonets for suspicion of betrayal in favor of Iran! for sympathy for the United States, how much can you cut? laughing
    2. Oleg Bratkov Offline Oleg Bratkov
      Oleg Bratkov (Oleg Bratkov) 7 November 2020 16: 50
      +2
      And the betrayal of Khrushchev and Brezhnev? Yeltsin and Gorbachev, so, guys in short pants, Brezhnev's associates have already done everything for them. But Khrushchev is a fine fellow, he sent home those very murderers, punishers, bandits who were not shot under Stalin, but sent not 25 years to work in camps, to work out at least part of the evil they did. But ordinary prisoners, who were "never" imprisoned, were released by Beria, even before Khrushchev.
  13. RIVDV-123 Release (Grigor Asatryan) 2 November 2020 15: 38
    -2
    Quote: Cheburashk
    I wonder whose? For 2,5 years nothing has been done at all. And he also looks askance at Artsakh, so to speak.

    You are a strange man. So Putin came to power, how much it took him to put his own people everywhere. Kasyanov alone endured for several more years, not to mention the governors, etc. So that Pashinyan did not want to do good or bad, he needed a team for this. Did he have it? Shouting from the podium and criticizing is the lot of the populist, which he was and remains. But even if he were different, the prime minister is not a figure in itself, in order to push through his decisions, implement them, he needed to change managers, and this has been done for many years, if you are not a systemic one (and his party in parliament always numbered only a few people), they were not even enough to make them ministers. There are fewer thieves in Armenia, I know this for sure, people with his arrival had a chance to live either worse or better, but under Sergei there was no such choice, so his fault is also, for unpreparedness, but the main fault is that Serge and Robert firmly believed that if you steal and go to the GDP for a bow, then the wolves will be fed and the sheep are safe. Pashinyan is not a systemic one, he believes that corruption can be defeated, the most important thing is that he believes that he can do it. And can it or not - let's see. So I was in Batumi, I did not meet a single person there who remembered Saakashvili with a bad word. No matter how odious he was, no matter what mistakes he made, he did so much good for Georgia that they not only remember, but also respect. And in Russia he is traditionally presented as a homeless person, they laugh at him, they say that he could not steal, he has to tour. It is clear that in Russia this will cause surprise that you were at the trough and did not swear like Medvedev or Yanukovych, like Nazarbayev or Rakhmonov, this is surprising, they look at people like Saakashvili or Pashinyan as weirdos, fools.
    1. Peter rybak Offline Peter rybak
      Peter rybak (Patrol) 3 November 2020 10: 20
      -1
      And in this I agree with you. And I’m not Armenian. I agree that the people should choose their power without looking back at Russia. The opinion of Russia when choosing the head of state should not interest the people of Armenia at all. It is in the future that the leader should smoothly bypass sharp corners in relations with the northern unpredictable "brother" in order to then go free floating, which Pashinyan could not do.
    2. Digital error Offline Digital error
      Digital error (Eugene) 3 November 2020 23: 27
      0
      Quote: RIVDV-123 Issue
      Shouting from the podium and criticizing is the lot of a populist

      He (VVP) did not even do that - after the failure of the May 2012 decrees. It was just that in 2018 he promised a breakthrough in the form of national projects. A third of which was cut after 2 years, and the rest in the implementation plan was postponed to 2039-2035. And there you can still promise something - people go to eat.
  14. Yuliya2209 Offline Yuliya2209
    Yuliya2209 (Yuliya) 2 November 2020 17: 16
    -1
    in Karabakh, the same will happen in the Donbass. Our government does everything with an eye to what the world will say. so you can lose Crimea
  15. amateur Offline amateur
    amateur (Victor) 2 November 2020 17: 37
    +3
    Quote: RIVDV-123 Issue
    Yes, it shouldn't do anything, if Russia doesn't need Armenia, why is the GDP dragging her to the CSTO by the ears, dragging her to Evrazes by the ears? Well, let's disperse in peace or you need a base to BE in the South Caucasus, but why don't we owe you anything. Do you owe Armen to something? If you put the question of alliance like this, we don't owe you anything, so stop pretending to be an empire.

    The Armenian-Russian relations are very correctly formulated. We need to send these Armenians in some well-known direction and not drag them anywhere. If they want to join the CSTO or the EurAsEC, let them ask for it. Let the Turks be dealt with first. And then they began to forget who organized the genocide and who saved. In general, Soros & Trump / Biden to help Armenia. PS And the base in Gyumri must be liquidated as soon as possible and the Russian troops withdrawn. You cannot be lovely, especially since there is no common border between Russia and Armenia.
  16. beeper Offline beeper
    beeper 2 November 2020 20: 26
    +3
    Now the CSTO includes Armenia, Belarus, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Russia, Tajikistan, and Russophobic Nikola Pashinin for some reason "pedals" and blames only Russia, ignoring the rest ??! what
    About author's approval

    ".. some have already run to several" fairs "at once. Alexander Grigorievich - he almost got there, but at least caught himself in time. "

    - I think it would be more accurate to write "temporarily caught myself ".... after all, as our people say about such "stubborn cunning" - "humpbacked (and" overly flexible "too well ?!) only the grave will fix" ??!winked
    IMHO
    1. Digital error Offline Digital error
      Digital error (Eugene) 3 November 2020 23: 30
      +1
      Quote: pishchak
      Currently in the CSTO

      By the way, yes - none of them are at war and could provide help. But everyone is hoping for Mother Russia. So what a fig for the CSTO - we can handle it ourselves, but we need to send such allies closer to the enemies so that we have "sleeping" agents ...
  17. asr55 Offline asr55
    asr55 (asr) 2 November 2020 22: 46
    -1
    Will the return of Nagorno-Karabakh under the rule of Baku (and this particular ending is already practically inevitable) a geopolitical catastrophe for Moscow?

    Judging by the reports of the Azerbaijani media and some mediocre writers looking for the geopolitical problems of Russia in this war, instead of Nagorno-Karabakh and Armenia itself, there is already a crater 1 km deep. But something went wrong. Karabakh is bleeding, suffers losses, but stands confidently, Azerbaijan's losses in manpower and equipment are increasing and this is being strenuously hidden from the people. As a result, the ending looks like this, Russia will intervene in this conflict for many reasons, including because of the shelling of the territory of Armenia, it will disperse everyone like pissing cats and force everyone to sit at the negotiating table. The conflict will end, but the problem will remain and the young people will die, like last time, about 30 thousand people from both sides. And the threat of this conflict will hang constantly until both sides agree on exchanging territories.
  18. globus Offline globus
    globus (Sergey Iovlev) 3 November 2020 05: 20
    +1
    This is how it is necessary to lead a country that has declared itself the successor of the USSR, in order to allow such outrages along the perimeter (and not only), borders around Russia, fraught not today or tomorrow with new Karabakhs! Russia in no way deserved such an upcoming final in its, in general, glorious history! We need a clear analysis and a plan of action to eliminate such blunders, mistakes that are worse than crimes (according to Talleyrand)!
  19. DeGreen Offline DeGreen
    DeGreen 3 November 2020 07: 17
    +1
    Maybe this defeat will teach the Armenians at least something
    1. Oleg Bratkov Offline Oleg Bratkov
      Oleg Bratkov (Oleg Bratkov) 7 November 2020 16: 56
      +3
      Quote: DeGreen
      Maybe this defeat will teach the Armenians at least something

      Hardly will teach, they will forget in a year. Even though there are Muslims around them. Here they cut out half, then the rest of the whole half a century will remember Russia, and then forget again.
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  21. Haykaz P. Offline Haykaz P.
    Haykaz P. (Haykaz Pochikyan) 3 November 2020 11: 52
    -2
    Either you are not interpreting the facts correctly, or I am not "catching up" something.! Correct me if you are wrong: who of the world leaders of the conflicting countries in Russia is considered a "friend"? Lukashenko and Aliyev or Moduro and Erdogan.? Then answer the question: Are there still other "geniuses" of election fraud and usurpation of power in their countries, as Putin repeats every time?
    1. boriz Offline boriz
      boriz (boriz) 3 November 2020 22: 43
      +2
      There are no friends in politics.
      1. Digital error Offline Digital error
        Digital error (Eugene) 3 November 2020 23: 33
        -1
        but they did not answer the "liberal" question about usurpation - it is clear why the boat should be rocked ...
    2. Oleg Bratkov Offline Oleg Bratkov
      Oleg Bratkov (Oleg Bratkov) 7 November 2020 17: 22
      +1
      It is not at all [censorship] living in Russia, as some sofa politicians think, and the people choose Putin as an inevitable option. There are simply no others. Or do sofa politicians think that Russia will elect a president who ran in public in tights, like in Ukraine, or the same Yablinsky, or Ksyusha? Sofa strategists are very much out of touch with reality, and the fertilizers they produce are only suitable for fertilizers, and then I would argue about the need for such shit. And Russia is a very large and great country, and world history is written in three languages, in English (for now), in Russian and in Chinese.
  22. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
    Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 3 November 2020 12: 05
    +5
    As for the new government of Armenia, this is the problem of the Armenians, not the Russian Federation. The fate of Armenia itself and how comfortable the Armenians will be living in Russia depends on how friendly the new government of Armenia will be to the Russian Federation. As for Donbass, you need to look less to the West and look after your interests, and the interests of the Russian Federation are not in preserving the territorial integrity of Ukraine. As for the sanctions, the West will always find a new pretext to impose them, and this should strain the Russian Federation the least. The beloved cat, or Novalny's hamster, Yavlinsky's tame rat, or something like that, will die, and Washington and its sixes will immediately impose new sanctions against the Russian Federation. All that should be of interest to the Russian Federation is the interests of the state-forming Russian people. Precisely Russian, and not any rubbish that knocks on the Ukrainian embassy about the movement of military units in the Russian Federation. A Russophobic trash that works against the Russian Federation, for foreign states, for money, or by conviction, it's time to multiply by zero. These have long been missed by Article 280 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation, and if they just start to disappear and jump out of the windows of skyscrapers, intoxicated, as Massad and the CIA do, I personally will not object.
  23. Semens Offline Semens
    Semens (Semen) 3 November 2020 15: 00
    +2
    The author first declares the wrong thesis, and behind the alleged proof, he says reasonable things ...

    Will the return of Nagorno-Karabakh under the authority of Baku (and this particular ending is already practically inevitable) a geopolitical catastrophe for Moscow? No.

    Well, how is it not? We must not forget that Americans work in a systematic way and with a long-term planning horizon. What may appear to some as a local phenomenon may have long-term geopolitical implications.

    After the defeat of Karabakh, based on the logic of the processes taking place in the post-Soviet space since 1991, the following events are most likely:

    1. Armenia will justly fall under the US (it is not for nothing that the largest embassy is there) under their security guarantees. Russia flies out of Armenia, so its presence there loses all meaning for a western-oriented Armenia.

    2. Turkey and Aliyev (if not he, then the new Azerbaijani "Pashinyan") will lead Azerbaijan directly to NATO. The rhetoric of Aliyev, an experienced diplomat and politician, should not mislead anyone ... Nothing will depend on him. The seizure of Karabakh will make Turkey and NATO objects of religious worship ...

    3. NATO base and / or Turkey appears on the Caspian Sea.

    4. After that, the whole of Central Asia from Kazakhstan to Tajikistan will collapse. and there hands will reach Iran ...

    If you do not give Turkey and Azerbaijan a hand in Karabakh, then, taking into account Ukraine, which is still a multi-vector bam, Russia will find itself in an incredibly vulnerable position - Chechnya will seem like child's play, and Putin, with his caution and wisdom, most likely, will lead the country into a deadly dead end. ... It's one thing to chatter - "If a fight is inevitable, you must hit first," it's another thing to follow this principle.

    Lessons from 2014:

    If you choose shame between shame and war, you will get shame and war ...

    - Undecided Ukrainian question - get hemorrhoids for life ...
    1. Peter rybak Offline Peter rybak
      Peter rybak (Patrol) 3 November 2020 22: 00
      -1
      stop Generally tin! What are your conclusions? Where do such categorical statements come from? It's not emotions that rule the world, but cold calculation. Believe me, Aliyev will give odds to both Erdogan and Putin. He prepared for 30 years, calculated almost everything he could. Agreed with Russia. And further events proceed from his statement of the question.
      Are you so confident in Russia's global hegemony? In vain. This is not true. And if desired, the former republics of the USSR will tear the country to shreds. Not militarily, but otherwise. Imagine the Armenian Rostov, Sochi, Krasnodar, the Tajik-Kyrgyz-Uzbek center of Russia. What's the center? All of Russia. And half of these people are ready to defend the interests of their own peoples at any time. An example for you, tolerant Europe.
    2. Digital error Offline Digital error
      Digital error (Eugene) 3 November 2020 23: 35
      0
      Quote: Semens
      got hemorrhoids for life

      life long, healthy and provided with immunity from criminal prosecution as a life member of the Federation Council.
      1. Semens Offline Semens
        Semens (Semen) 10 November 2020 14: 19
        0
        I had hemorrhoids in Russia, not personally in Putin ... He has that health - God forbid everyone!
  24. mpad Offline mpad
    mpad (Petr) 4 November 2020 10: 35
    -1
    It seems that the article was written by a student of the Political Science Faculty of some provincial university. You need to go to classes and study, and not engage in pseudo-analytics, dear. Take an interest in the history of the issue, and then start scribbling articles that are as pretentious as they are meaningless. Turkey, you say, is pushing? Of course she is, who else. The 200-strong rallies in Baku demanding immediate military action against Armenia, of course, were also inspired by Turkey. And the massacre of Azerbaijanis in Baku in 1918, and then, a couple of months later, the massacre of Armenians in the same Baku, of course, was also inspired by Turkey. And all in order to attack the Crimea and the LPR. And, of course, the non-nuclear 80-million-strong Turkey is the main geopolitical rival (and why is there a rival - an enemy) of Russia. Not the 450-million-strong nuclear Europe, choking on Russophobia, and not the 300-million US, which surrounded the Russian Federation with a ring of military bases and anti-Russian limitrophes, but Turkey! Ingenious input! Sit down, five! Haushoffer you are our homebrew. When you grow up and learn to think strategically, then start giving advice to Putin, but for now, alas, it’s no good.
  25. anten Offline anten
    anten (Victor) 4 November 2020 12: 04
    +2
    Until the Belovezhskaya Yeltsin scam is canceled, everything that followed, until then, Russia will have to keep quiet in a "rag", being under the US cap, not being an authoritative subject in the post-Soviet space and international events.
  26. Khakim Kuchmezov_2 (Tom Kuchmezova) 4 November 2020 12: 04
    +2
    The author did not consider one geopolitical factor at all. Turkey is extremely not interested in a pro-American Armenia, as well as Russia, Iran and China. The invitation to the United States to master the geopolitical and military space of Armenia was officially voiced by its President and Foreign Minister. What else should be cited as an example to understand that the operation to neutralize this threat has received the approval of Moscow and it is authorized. Turkey and Azerbaijan are only executors of this task. neither Azerbaijan nor the more so Turkey would not have taken a step. With Turkey it is necessary to conduct a political dialogue further, there are simply no options, we need to clearly define our interests and coordinate them with Turkey. There are simply no other options. Both Russia and Turkey have a long history history and not always Russia, fighting with it, defended its interests, rather, on the contrary, solved the problems of foreign countries. It is necessary to be more pragmatic in the 21st century. Turkey does not cave in to other people's interests and even more so does not solve them at its own expense. You just have to admit that any country has his own circle of interests and it is necessary to somehow coordinate it. While this is not working out well, Lavrov has formed a dense ring of "friends" around Russia. It's time to find a replacement for him too. So in the 21st century, foreign policy is not conducted.
  27. Fan tomas Offline Fan tomas
    Fan tomas (Fan Tomas) 5 November 2020 13: 16
    -1
    What does it mean that Russia should do this, Russia should understand this ... Who do you think you are? Who will ask you anyway? The one who makes real politics in your opinion does not understand anything and should listen to your nonsense?
    1. Semens Offline Semens
      Semens (Semen) 10 November 2020 14: 22
      0
      As practice and the result of work show, not every official is worthy of his place ... And not every sofa analyst talks stupid things ...
      1. Semens Offline Semens
        Semens (Semen) 10 November 2020 14: 25
        0
        And the Russian Foreign Ministry has been a complete blatant since Soviet times ... Just as the negative selection of the late Soviet elite played a cruel joke on the USSR, so the negative selection in the Foreign Ministry's feeding trough on the principle of nepotism and nepotism plays a cruel joke with Russia's foreign policy ...
  28. FASTING MAN Offline FASTING MAN
    FASTING MAN (FASTING MAN) 6 November 2020 13: 57
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    Author, can you give examples of the anti-Russian rhetoric of the Armenian authorities? Or any anti-Russian actions by the Armenian authorities?
    Or the wretched Goebbels propaganda of Azerbaijan that the Pashinyan people of "Soros", they say, had such an effect on the author's softened brain? By the way, Azerbaijan spreads such fakes on the network purposefully, within the framework of the information war against Armenia. In this case, the author is either deliberately lying, or stupid, pouring water on the mill of the Azerbaijani war warriors. And Soros is such a bogeyman, and the "demonic" figure of the "s" (as I call stupid patriots), that creates the feeling that they are ready to find him even under their bed. Further, the author is sprayed even more, and begins to carry absolutely utter nonsense.

    Even without expressing openly anti-Russian views and trying to maintain more or less normal relations with Moscow, while “looking” in a completely opposite geopolitical “direction” - to the West, is at least half our enemy.

    Fuck, the author burns, that is, independent countries can not even look towards the "west"? How is it? Should they blindfold their eyes? Or on my knees to write a petition to the Tsar in Moscow? It does not seem to you that small countries simply due to their size and weak economic power cannot ignore other large players, and are forced to build relationships with both. I'm not even talking about Belarus, which is even geographically connected with Europe. Well, she just can't help looking towards Europe.
    IF projecting onto the household plan, the author behaves like a grumpy jealous woman who is jealous of her husband for any passing woman, making scandals for any reason, and turning the life of both into hell.
    So, excuse me, the author, there can be no ultimatums, and questions with an edge "or", "or" in international relations, and in real life there can be no politician.
    Well, if you want to say that Russia is giving up its leading role in the post-Soviet space, and begins to behave like a jealous, offended woman, and cannot pursue a policy of soft power, then write that.
    But this will not add allies to her, rather the opposite.

    Even with the most ardent desire to provide military assistance to Armenia in the current situation, Russia simply cannot do this.

    - well, this already looks like a cheap excuse. Something international treaties, memorandums and other declarations did not prevent Russia from carrying out a special operation in the Crimea, and to be honest, send thousands of ichtamnets and military equipment to the Donbass. And then suddenly, something interferes.
    So just write directly, Putin decided to merge the Transcaucasia to his friend Erdogan ...
  29. Magyadin Abdulkadirov (Magyadin Abdulkadirov) 6 November 2020 20: 39
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    Well, they invested money in the nuclear power plant and in the pipe. Mercantile spirit is above honor. Let me remind you that in 1941, on June 22, when the Germans were ironing us, a dry cargo ship with grain for Germany was loaded in the Odessa port all day. And what about Putin & Cº? - Everything is simple; Akela missed.
  30. Oleg Bratkov Offline Oleg Bratkov
    Oleg Bratkov (Oleg Bratkov) 7 November 2020 17: 27
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    Russia does not need to learn any lessons, such a title of the article borders on delirium from a neuropsychiatric dispensary. Lessons must be learned for the Armenian people.
  31. Heroes Heroes Offline Heroes Heroes
    Heroes Heroes (Sergei) 8 November 2020 14: 07
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    Well, that everything is sensible and written in the case. So, there is even nothing to add. But whether our government will be able to realize this is a very big question.
  32. gm6247 Offline gm6247
    gm6247 (Georgy Coordinator) 8 November 2020 21: 11
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    So the next time has come for the redivision of the world. The time is cruel, the time of decisive and impetuous action. The main thing is their interests, humanistic ideals will be restored after the redrawing. Choose friends and allies based on your interests only. It will be easier, clearer and better for everyone.
  33. anten Offline anten
    anten (Victor) 9 November 2020 11: 12
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    It's very simple: the West and the United States are our time-tested enemies. Today they are robbing Russia with the help of internal traitors to the Motherland and the silent Russian multinational people. When people wake up - that's the question. Answer: the people of Russia will wake up when they have a national idea that unites all the isolated peoples and nationalities of the country, as it was in the USSR - the Soviet people.