Turkey collapses CSTO to create "Central Asian NATO"

October 30 2020 41

The visit of the Turkish Minister of Defense to Kazakhstan, and then immediately to Uzbekistan, caused a lot of noise. An ordinary, in general, event concerning the military cooperation of sovereign states, gave rise to talk about itself after a number of resonant publications in Turkey itself. If you believe them, Ankara gathers around itself a kind of united army of the Turkic peoples, or the "Army of the Great Turan."

The pan-Turkic aspirations of President Erdogan can no longer be hidden. It is interesting that it was Turkey that was the first to recognize the independence of the former republics in Central Asia from the USSR. Ankara directed investments, preachers, and opened broad educational programs to the post-Soviet space freed from the influence of Moscow. Interesting concepts were introduced into the media field: “Uzbek Turks”, “Tatar Turks” and “Kyrgyz Turks”. While the Kremlin was going about their business, Turkey was consistently integrating the entire Turkic world around it. In 2009, the "Turkic Council" was created, which included all countries, except for closed Turkmenistan, with a predominant ethnic group. President Erdogan said at a regular meeting of this organization last year:

Until today, we said "One nation - two states." Yesterday I said that now we have become one nation, five states. God forbid, Turkmenistan will also join us, and thus we will become one nation, six states, strengthen joint cooperation in the region.

"One nation - two states" is, if anything, Turkey and Azerbaijan. In the ongoing conflict in Nagorno-Karabakh, Ankara unequivocally sided with Baku and helped it win significant victories over Armenia, which is backed by Russia, which is allied to it within the CSTO. Against this background, the visit of the Turkish Minister of Defense to Kazakhstan and Uzbekistan is very symbolic and extremely dangerous for our country.

Today there are two largest military blocs in the world - NATO and the CSTO. One gets the impression that "Sultan" Erdogan intends to create a third, due to the collapse of the CSTO. Let us recall that, in addition to Russia and Armenia, this organization includes Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan and Kazakhstan. Having provoked aggravation in Nagorno-Karabakh, Ankara killed several birds with one stone. First, it demonstrated to Russia's allies that the Kremlin did not stand up directly for Yerevan. Yes, there are justifications for this, but the fact remains: Armenia is retreating before the union of Azerbaijan and Turkey. Secondly, Turkey has demonstrated that it does not surrender its allies and is leading them to victory. Is this not the best advertisement for a military alliance with Ankara and anti-advertisement of the CSTO?

It is possible that after the end of hostilities in Nagorno-Karabakh and political Armenia's surrender of positions, Yerevan will put an end to its participation in the CSTO, which turned out to be, in fact, a meaningless piece of paper. The actual collapse of this organization will give reason to reconsider its participation in it for Kyrgyzstan, where another coup is taking place now, and for Kazakhstan, which is increasingly moving away from Russia. In this situation, in the medium term, we can expect the emergence of a "Central Asian NATO" under the wing of Ankara. Turkey itself is no longer very comfortable in NATO, and many of its formal allies are already talking about the need to exclude it from the bloc. The creation of a new military alliance of the Turkic countries could radically change the balance of power in the region. Under certain circumstances, Ankara and Baku may even agree to create a kind of "Union State", mirroring Moscow and Minsk.

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SONATA 2.0LPG

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30 October 2020 16: 37

The main thing for you Russian is to dig deeper, and not to get involved in anything, well, you think an ally on both sides is a nightmare. Your hut is on the edge.

Only now, when we are forced to surrender and turn for help to someone more reliable, do not be offended and do not puff up lips then!
1. 123
  
  +4
  
  30 October 2020 18: 21
  
  The main thing for you Russian is to dig deeper, and not to get involved in anything, well, you think an ally on both sides is a nightmare. Your hut is on the edge.
  
  Did you ask for help?
  
  Only now, when we are forced to surrender, and we send your NAXUY base, together with your fake CSTO, and turn to someone more reliable for help, do not be offended and do not puff up lips then!
  
  If you are forced to capitulate, all you have to do is choose which diaspora to nest, then you can even contact Sportloto, and the Turks will puff your lips.
  1. SONATA 2.0LPG
    
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    30 October 2020 18: 42
    
    If you were a really strong country, you are unlikely to leave an ally alone. At the end of the day, your reputation is also under attack, and the retraction of your touted weapons is too. But if you don't give a damn, then you can calmly pretend to be incomprehensible, and blame everything on the Armenians, they say "it is your own fault", "you did not contact us," and so on. Excuses - a million.
    1. GRF
      
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      30 October 2020 19: 39
      
      If your large diaspora in America, which has been living there for many years, starts to ignore the laws of the country of residence and wants independence, will this also become a problem for Russia? Yah.
      Your national interests are not ours, why should we harness ourselves for them? You are not the Russian people, you do not even ask us about this, and then you will yell that we are interfering in the affairs of the "independent and independent"? Your elite decided to surrender Karabakh, what do we have to do with it?
      Yes, our base is in Armenia, in particular, because of it, we guarantee the security of Armenia (and in the light of the current events we could be grateful for that), but it is there for the sake of protecting Russian interests, which in the light of Russophobic sentiments in Armenia are naturally reduced , and if they are gone, then we will leave ourselves, as well as from a bunch of other places.
      For the sake of curiosity, ask how much the American base costs for Qatar, Japan, or Poland and hurry up in search of "who is better" "allies" ...
      Let's say the Russians abandon their own, no question, well, let's see how you don't abandon yours in Karabakh, if in Armenia you are already going to "forced" to capitulate, even without starting an official war with anyone ...
      1. SONATA 2.0LPG
        
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        30 October 2020 19: 41
        
        Yes For God's sake, sit yourself, do not interfere. Georgia kicked you, Azerbaijan kicked you from Gabala. Should I continue or did you get the idea? You need this base no less than ours.
    2. 123
      
      +4
      
      30 October 2020 19: 48
      
      If you were a really strong country, you are unlikely to leave an ally alone.
      
      Here it is ...
      
      YEREVAN, February 27. News-Armenia. Armenia will take part in the NATO multinational exercise Noble Partner ("Worthy Partner - 2020"), Georgian Defense Minister Irakli Garibashvili said on Thursday during a joint briefing with Armenian Defense Minister David Tonoyan in Yerevan.
      
      The Special Investigation Service of Armenia accused CSTO Secretary General Yuri Khachaturov of overthrowing the constitutional order in the framework of a criminal case on dispersing protests on March 1, 2008 and demanded his arrest.
      
      This is a marker of attitude towards the CSTO.
      
      At the end of the day, your reputation is at stake, and so is the retraction of your touted weapons.
      
      You shovel, and our reputation? Arms must be carried with straight arms.
      
      But if you don't give a damn, then you can calmly pretend to be incomprehensible, and blame everything on the Armenians, they say "it is your own fault", "you did not contact us," and so on. Excuses - a million.
      
      When will Armenia recognize Artsakh? So far, you officially consider it the territory of Azerbaijan. What about Abkhazia and South Ossetia?
      What did Soros' foster-son Pashinyan do with the negotiation process? Somehow 30 years they spoke to you ... But the Inauguration in Shushi ...
      
      Can you start by sending an ambush regiment from the US Embassy to the front? Just in number, it will be typed, and if you add to them hangers-on from various NGOs living on their money, the division will surely be typed and not even one.
      
      Or will you pretend that you do not understand what is at stake? We decided to play multi-vector, God help us. Since someone else's experience does not teach anything, gain your own.
      1. SONATA 2.0LPG
        
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        30 October 2020 19: 58
        
        Well, yes, of course, we dared to speak out against the rotten officials who robbed the people to the bone, and drive them out. But you don’t care about that, the main thing is that they were pro-Russian.
        
        123
        
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        30 October 2020 20: 01
        
        Well, yes, of course, we dared to speak out against the rotten officials who robbed the people to the bone, and drive them out.
        
        Chased away, then what? In addition to the sorosy, there is no one to put?
        
        But you don’t care about that, the main thing is that they were pro-Russian.
        
        They were as "pro-Russian" as Yanukovych or Lukashenko. Put pro-Armenian and you will be happy.
        
        SONATA 2.0LPG
        
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        30 October 2020 20: 04
        
        But you put up with them all the same. But you don't care about the people. You only love to work with the elites. And what the people will say there - one place for you.
        
        123
        
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        30 October 2020 20: 15
        
        But you put up with them all the same.
        
        We all tolerate and Zelensky and Balts. Neighbors are not chosen. You bring them to power, and Russia is to blame.
        
        You only love to work with the elites.
        
        Who to work with? Power works with power, "elite" with "elite". And how is it with the people? Create NGOs too? Interfere in internal affairs? What about your independence? Managing someone else's house is not in our tradition.
        
        And what the people will say there - one place for you.
        
        And what do the people say? What does he want? Where can you read it?
        
        SONATA 2.0LPG
        
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        30 October 2020 20: 28
        
        The people want to live, at least as a middle class. And with your elites, he can only contemplate how he is being robbed.
        
        123
        
        +4
        
        30 October 2020 20: 52
        
        The people want to live, at least as a middle class. And with your elites, he can only contemplate how he is being robbed.
        
        Good luck to you Hope you're on the right track, everyone's middle class soon Surely your new elite will take care of this.
        So this is the voice of the people of Armenia? Was this his Russian government supposed to hear? Make everyone in Armenia a middle class? Try to turn to Macron with a similar request or to Merkel, then to Trump or whoever is there instead of him ... How your request will be satisfied, please write. I will be sincerely glad for your happiness.
        What it reminds me - I want to go to the EU and lace panties .. is not it? Apparently, you won't be able to skip the process of stuffing your own cones. Someone else's experience is not useful.
        
        SONATA 2.0LPG
        
        -4
        
        30 October 2020 21: 40
        
        No, we will remain on the leash of Russia, as an undeveloped backwater, such as your Mukho srsk, so that you are satisfied.
        
        123
        
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        30 October 2020 22: 22
        
        No, we will remain on the leash of Russia, as an undeveloped backwater, such as your Mukho srsk, so that you are satisfied.
        
        Master master The whole world is at your feet You can become a young, flourishing democracy like Georgia or a super-agricultural power like Ukraine or Moldova.
        After all, Russia is on the way to prosperity at all of them, right? As soon as they got rid of the oppression of the "Horde", they immediately healed happily. But this is certainly not about you, you are different, smart and worthy and this will not happen to you? As soon as the last Russian soldier leaves, life will automatically improve, everyone will be brought home a salary of 10 euros and a Mercedes will be brought to the entrance Probably the Turks will do this .... they are closer ... True, there are some problems with lace panties .. rather hijabs, but these are trifles. You shouldn't pay attention to such little things on the way to prosperity.
        
        SONATA 2.0LPG
        
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        30 October 2020 22: 23
        
        Not tired of clowning around?
        
        123
        
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        30 October 2020 22: 49
        
        And what has to do with clowning? Does Russia really interfere with your life? She can't sleep, she thinks how to keep Armenia on a leash. All that Russia needs, it is desirable that foreign military bases do not appear there, that's all. Cognac is made in Prokhladny and Derbet, and persimmon grows in Crimea. What else does Russia need?
        The trade turnover for 9 months of 2018 amounted to $ 1 million, I think everything has not changed much. It is enough to understand the scale of trade. About 377,7 billion a year.
        
        https://armenia.mid.ru/ru/countries/bilateral-relations/trade-economic-cooperation/
        
        Now think about what Armenia needs. Try to start with the simplest instincts, survival, procreation, how to ensure it. How NATO can help you in this.
        Then try to think about how to develop the economy and whether it is necessary for this to establish relations with neighbors and how to do it. Look at the map, think about what kind of transit you need to develop trade. You will not have other neighbors, you have to negotiate with those that you have.
        
        SONATA 2.0LPG
        
        -4
        
        30 October 2020 23: 31
        
        It is your happiness that your neighbors did not slaughter you like rams for 500 years, and then brazenly did not deny what they had done. I would look at you.
        
        123
        
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        31 October 2020 00: 05
        
        It is your happiness that your neighbors did not slaughter you like rams for 500 years, and then brazenly did not deny what they had done. I would look at you.
        
        And what difference does that make? That is why you want to live as a "middle class" and forget the rest or pretend that the Turks are not around?
        We were slaughtered for 1000 years, but not like rams. The ram does not give change. We cut no less.
        
        Eli
        
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        23 August 2021 16: 06
        
        no one killed the Armenians in the Ottoman Empire, the Armenians lived there better than anyone else, ate deliciously and drank sweetly, the Turks called the Armenians "Gardash Millat" - a fraternal people, the Armenian terrorist organizations "Dashktsutiun", "Hnchak" and others like them began to organize a blast. They began to organize terrorist attacks, seize banks, kill government officials, and during the First World War they became the fifth column of the Entente in the Ottoman Empire, launched a full-scale guerrilla war against the regular Turkish army, as a result the Turks were deported from the border with the Russian Empire into the interior of the country .. . this deportation action in Armenia is called "genocide"
        
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        Oyo Sarkazmi
        
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        30 October 2020 23: 30
        
        Quote: SONATA 2.0 LPG
        The people want to live, at least as a middle class.
        
        And who is the middle class, you know? Highly skilled machine operators, bank clerks, service personnel of logistics transport hubs. Do you have where to form? You do not like Turks, you are afraid of Azerbaijanis, you despise Russians and Iranians. Only with Georgia are polite - through it Soros brings cookies. And a cookie from Soros elevates !!! Although Soros was kicked out even from his homeland - Hungary. For meanness in the Hungarian economy. Came, brought down, earned.
        
        SONATA 2.0LPG
        
        -3
        
        30 October 2020 23: 33
        
        Is that all for you? Yes, Armenians, Ukrainians, Poles, Balts, Georgians, Moldovans, Bulgarians are all scum, only you are good Russians. You wanted to hear that? Please see.
        
        Oyo Sarkazmi
        
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        30 October 2020 23: 46
        
        Quote: SONATA 2.0 LPG
        Yes, Armenians, Ukrainians, Poles, Balts, Georgians, Moldovans, Bulgarians are all scum
        
        Alas. All of these listed spit on factories, airfields and kebabs, and crawled after American democracy. On the reservation.
        How many employees are there at the American Embassy in Yerevan? One thousand? And this thousand cannot do good to some miserable 2 million Armenians. Because the camp administration calls out the leaders of the Armenian-skinned people and gives a brute for every attempt in Russia's interests.
        
        SONATA 2.0LPG
        
        -4
        
        30 October 2020 23: 48
        
        As if you have no spies in Armenia. Yes, compared to your local staff, the American Embassy is just a squad of pioneers. Enough already?
        
        Elena Ushkova
        
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        8 November 2020 15: 57
        
        Are all your people such illogical whiners like you? I don't even know whether to laugh or be indignant when I read you. Like Ukrainians, Georgians, Armenians, Moldovans, Romanians are to blame for Russia. So you have been independent for over 20 years. What does Russia have to do with it?)
2. Oyo Sarkazmi
  
  +1
  
  30 October 2020 18: 22
  
  Aliyev liberates Armenia from Russian occupation. How long have you held the meeting? Let me remind you:
  
  https://avatars.mds.yandex.net/get-zen_pictures/2977420/372139857-1603971491151/orig
  
  And there is no one more reliable. Armenians are dogging with all neighbors. Only Georgia is tolerated ...
  1. SONATA 2.0LPG
    
    -3
    
    30 October 2020 18: 44
    
    And you, too, by the way, are not sickly so hostile. Georgia, Ukraine, USA, European Union. Look at yourself first.
    1. Oyo Sarkazmi
      
      +1
      
      30 October 2020 23: 34
      
      Georgians killed UN peacekeepers. Russian soldiers. What, we should give them a bag of gold, for joy? You over there, for the Sumgayit massacre, are not too grateful either.
      And we are not at enmity with Ukraine. They despise us. For they also ate cookies. Not only from Biden.
      1. Oyo Sarkazmi
        
        +1
        
        30 October 2020 23: 47
        
        Finally. While!
Sergey Latyshev

+1

30 October 2020 17: 40

And somewhere nearby an article flashed about how the neighbors do not like this Turkey ...
Tamara Smirnova

+2

30 October 2020 19: 53

The Turks have not yet massacred the Armenians just because there is a Russian base in Armenia. If the Russians leave, there will be no one to "look for allies" and the territory will become Turkey. How did the Armenians jump and scream AGAINST Russia? We are not. So you brew it yourself, and sip your fill.
1. SONATA 2.0LPG
  
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  30 October 2020 20: 05
  
  Geopolitics? No, I have not.
2. SONATA 2.0LPG
  
  -1
  
  30 October 2020 20: 06
  
  Aliyev was delivered by the Turks with cubic meters of Syrian militants. From Karabakh to you - only 80 km! And so far we are fighting alone with them.
  1. Tamara Smirnova
    
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    30 October 2020 20: 12
    
    you first. they already see you without binoculars
    1. SONATA 2.0LPG
      
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      30 October 2020 20: 16
      
      And where will they go after? Didn't you think? No, I understand that you did not study well at school and as a result you do not know geography. But at least you can buy a card and look at it from time to time.
  2. GRF
    
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    30 October 2020 20: 30
    
    We have already met, they didn’t like it, we usually see off the “guests” to the “home”, after that they don’t want to come to us for a long time, but the last “guests” to our Caucasus ran away too quickly. Want to come back? Well, it does not depend on us, and therefore we will meet with "strong embraces" again, we do not refuse anyone, we are hospitable. Only tradition, you will need to somehow still observe, and walk, at least, along the beaten paths or something. After all, how sometimes it turned out, they saw us beautiful at home, and how they wanted to live with us in the world ... Moreover, not far, you say ...
Kuramori Reika

+1

31 October 2020 01: 46

If the CSTO does not become, only thanks can be said to Turkey. This is a fictitious organization with parasites inside. Let Turkey take all these parasites for itself, the experience of the USSR shows how full of holes they are. Russia itself is a whole world, if we forget about the existence of all the surrounding countries, then there will be a bloody massacre for another far-fetched reason, and our head will finally cease to ache about these savages.
1. Marzhecki
  
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  31 October 2020 09: 07
  
  Quote: Kuramori Reika
  If the CSTO does not become, only thanks can be said to Turkey. This is a fictitious organization with parasites inside. Let Turkey take all these parasites for itself, the experience of the USSR shows how full of holes they are.
  
  Kitchen geopolitics
  1. Kuramori Reika
    
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    31 October 2020 13: 31
    
    The fifth point is this geopolitics. Most of our neighbors are either rogue who sold everything of value, or kleptocracy, or outright scum. Russia needs a policy of isolationism, against the backdrop of the West going crazy and the intellectual degradation of the population along the border.
    1. Marzhecki
      
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      1 November 2020 16: 13
      
      Quote: Kuramori Reika
      Most of our neighbors are either rogue who sold everything of value, or kleptocracy, or outright scum
      
      Is it only our neighbors who have such problems?
      1. Elena Ushkova
        
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        8 November 2020 16: 09
        
        Not only, why should we patronize them? For example, it is important for us to protect our borders through Tajikistan, and we do this directly by working. The same is with other states. And to go and persuade the same stupid and arrogant Armenians, who more than half fled to Russia themselves and present something else to us, but they went far away.
Michael I

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31 October 2020 18: 04

Quote: 123
What did Soros' foster-son Pashinyan do with the negotiation process?

Everywhere I read this about Pashinyan, but I still don't understand why they call him that? More?