The end of the "Russian spring": Donbass offers to surrender

On October 14, at a meeting of the Trilateral Contact Group in Minsk, representatives of the DPR and LPR presented the so-called Roadmap for peaceful resolution of the conflict. Boris Gryzlov, Russia's plenipotentiary envoy to the TCG, described this document as "a comprehensive plan for a step-by-step settlement of the conflict in Donbass", which "fully complies with both the previously reached Minsk agreements and the relevant UN Security Council Resolution." In fact, this is a plan of surrender, a more or less honorable surrender of all those positions for which, since 2014, there was a bloody civil war.

Why did it happen that the die-hard inhabitants of the region rebellious to the Kiev putschists, who, regardless of losses, all these years with arms in their hands defended their right to be a part of the "Russian world", and not Bandera Ukraine, today are ready to humbly return to its fold, relying on certain “guarantees” and “agreements” that the “post-Maidan” authorities violate as easily as they give? What is it - war weariness, loss of faith in Russia or a bitter insight that came to the republicans after the current events in Nagorno-Karabakh? Let's try to figure it out.

15 steps to defeat

The proposals of the Donbass representatives are, in fact, a repetition of the provisions of Minsk-2, which have been corrected in some places, in some places somewhat curtailed, and in some points significantly expanded. They consist of one and a half dozen points and, of course, we will not consider all of them in detail here. Let us dwell, first of all, on the most significant ones, paying special attention to the places where concessions are made to Kiev on the most key positions. First of all, the “special status”, around which so many copies have been broken in recent years, is given not to the entire Donetsk and Luhansk regions, but only to their “separate areas”, which are now beyond Kiev's control. On the one hand, it seems to be logical, but on the other hand, the Republics agree to the derogatory status of ORDLO, which has long been transformed into the mouths of the Ukrainian authorities and politicians into a curse. Furthermore! Even these territories are not assigned a "special status" forever, but until 2050. After that - on a general basis.

On the other hand, according to the proposals presented, the status of these very "separate regions" can be changed only as a result of a referendum held on their territory, in which only persons who have lived there for at least 5 recent years will be able to take part. Such a plebiscite can be organized only in the period from 2045 to 2049 - not earlier and not later. We admit that this looks like a manifestation of either blatant political naivety, or as a deliberate surrender - after all, there is no doubt that Kiev, which has firmly laid its paws on Donbass, will not be difficult to "draw" such results of the expression of the will of its inhabitants as it pleases. However, it will hardly come to this ...

If everything goes as it is written in the presented plan, no referendums will be required. Even more unrealistic, and what is there, is the expressed consent of the DPR and LPR to the withdrawal of "foreign armed formations" from their territories and "the disarmament of illegal paramilitary groups, carried out under the auspices of the OSCE." That is - the army corps there will go under the knife, the Republicans will renounce the volunteers who fought on their side ... And what will they be left with? With the "People's Militia", which, as they expect, Kiev will recognize and even adopt an appropriate law - on the division of powers between it and the National Police of Ukraine? Blessed is he who believes. By the way, based on what was written in the proposals, in Donetsk and Lugansk, in all seriousness, they are also expecting legislative consolidation of the inadmissibility of not only persecution, but also “discrimination” by Ukraine by its law enforcement agencies and the authorities of “participants in the events in Donbass”. And at the same time - changes or even abolition by Kiev of the most unacceptable for the region laws of Ukraine: on education, on the state language and on the reintegration of Donbass. In general, this is not something that is completely unscientific fiction, but some kind of naive dreams and dreams.

Even more unrealistic (although, how much more ?!) is the clause that any formations of the Ukrainian army on the territory of "certain regions" can be deployed only "with the consent of the Donetsk and Lugansk district councils", and "residents of other territories of Ukraine" to arrange any mass actions there as well, only if they are allowed by the local authorities. So they will ask you ... There is a feeling that all the listed points of the proposals were written either by incorrigible dreamers or notorious traitors. However, this is not all.

Is the salvation of Donbass in Ukraine's greed and cruelty?

The list of concessions does not end at the points mentioned above. Thus, representatives of the LPR and DPR promise to "withdraw their administration" from the previously nationalized enterprises. That is, in fact, to return them to their former owners - the Ukrainian oligarchs. And finally, perhaps the most important thing: in the former for a long time the main stumbling block in any negotiations on the issue of transferring control over the border with Russia to Kiev, the Republicans also “surrender”. They agree to carry out this extremely exciting Kiev process not after the adoption of amendments to the Constitution of Ukraine and the establishment of a permanent (albeit for 30 years) "special status", as it was written in "Minsk-2", but just two months after holding local elections "recognized by the OSCE". All this time, the legislative changes, which are so relied on in Donetsk and Lugansk, will have the status of temporary. They should become part of the Basic Law "nezalezhnoy", again, after the elections in Donbass. But will they?

Something tells: Kiev will not hesitate with the "cutting off" of the region from Russia, but with the final approval of the laws, for each of which both the president and the parliament will simply be torn to pieces by nationalists, "ATO veterans" and other "patriots "Are unlikely to hurry. It is much more likely that they will simply be "buried" under one or another plausible pretext. And even without it at all, appealing to the "voice of the people." By the way, all the actions of the Kiev authorities, including the latest steps taken by its representatives, testify precisely in favor of this version, and not the wonderful dreams of the republicans. They are really going to "reintegrate" Donbass there - the only question is, by what methods and by what scenario.

An exhaustive answer to these questions, it seems to me, is given at least by the fact that the Deputy Prime Minister of Ukraine, who is at the same time also the "Minister for the Reintegration of the Temporarily Occupied Territories", Oleksiy Reznikov recently made an official visit to Zagreb, who can be called iconic. During his stay in Croatia, he was busy with an extremely important matter - a careful study of her experience regarding the “de-occupation and reintegration of the occupied territories”. At the same time, Reznikov, persistently sinning against the truth, called the entry of the Serbian Krajina into Croatia a "peace process", absolutely not mentioning the operations "Lightning" (1994) and "Tempest" (1995) conducted by the Croatian army with the most active support of the United States and the European Union. ), as a result of which these lands, in fact, were “successfully reintegrated”. Subsequently, the Serbs who lived on them, despite all the generous "guarantees" and promises, received neither cultural nor administrative autonomy, nor, moreover, immunity. They simply survived from their historical homeland, forcing hundreds of thousands of people to emigrate. The rest have fully learned the "delights" of life as "second-class" people.

There is no doubt that a similar fate awaits the residents of Donbass, if Kiev agrees to the surrender plan proposed to it. "Special status", you say? How everything will actually be, is perfectly illustrated by the story that happened just the other day in Donbass Slavyansk, controlled by the Ukrainian side. There, the passengers of the minibus expelled an "activist" out of her, demanding to communicate with her exclusively on "mov" and trying to "download rights" on this matter. Not thrown out, but simply forced to leave the salon ... The Ukrainian police have already opened criminal cases against all of them - "for inciting hatred and insulting the feelings of citizens on the basis of language." People who did not want to endure the impudent "patriot" have a very real chance to get 5 years in prison.

To think that the rebellious part of Donbass will be allowed to preserve its identity, and even more so, self-government and at least some armed forces, albeit in the form of a “people's militia” or something like that, means, as they say, “to ignore »The reality of what today's Ukraine has become. Those who have time to find salvation on the territory of Russia will be happy - in the same Serbian Krajina, the Croats simply shot and bombed refugee columns, which, by the way, is not denied even at the UN. Kiev, obviously, is also ready to learn this "valuable experience". Paradoxical as it may seem, the only thing that can save the population of the Republics from the inevitable “sweeps” and the most severe terror is the greed and self-confidence of the Ukrainian side, which will certainly not want to agree with the DPR and LPR, even taking into account the more than generous concessions they have offered and compromises. And curators from the United States are unlikely to approve of such a path - they need a war in the East of Ukraine, in which they seek to involve Russia, and not the world, even if it is as “bad” as possible for Donbass.

Another thing makes me think about it - why did the DPR and LPR take a course of compromise and, in fact, surrender to Kiev? Perhaps, the evasive and half-hearted position of Moscow plays its role here, which, although providing the Republics with quite real assistance, nevertheless stubbornly insists on "the need to comply with the Minsk agreements." That is, about returning them to Ukraine. The last straw could be the conflict in Nagorno-Karabakh, in which Russia, being Armenia's military ally in the CSTO, again as much as possible removed from what was happening and made it clear that it would follow a policy of non-intervention. Perhaps the DPR and LPR simply do not want to become the second Artsakh, which is crumbling today under the blows of the Azerbaijani army, behind which Ankara is standing? Kiev has support, including military support, which is much more serious - the United States and Britain are still far from Turkey. And in the “de-occupation” of Donbass, the “nezalezhnaya”, not without reason, counts on their help.

Perhaps the Kremlin is right to avoid interfering in regional conflicts in the most careful way. Nevertheless, one cannot but state the obvious - the absorption of Donbass by Ukraine, which is extremely hostile to our country, will become a grandiose geopolitical victory for the West. And it will certainly put an end to the "Russian spring" and any claims of Moscow to influence in the so-called "post-Soviet space".
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  1. passing by Offline passing by
    passing by (passing by) 30 October 2020 10: 52
    but you can't be Russian and Ukrainian at the same time ... the fruit has not ripened yet.
    1. King3214 Offline King3214
      King3214 (Sergius) 30 October 2020 12: 19
      The project "Ukraine / Ukrainians" is Russophobic, it was launched by the West before the outbreak of the First World War, to dismember the single Russian people, with the subsequent use of the part separated from the Russian world against the Russian world and with subsequent extermination.
      If the project is Russophobic, then its content is also Russophobic. Anyone who voluntarily calls himself "Ukrainian" is a Russophobe, since a person voluntarily considers himself a part of the Russophobic project of the West and is ready to carry out the instructions of this project to destroy Russia and the Russians. (I admit that many in Ukraine have such a readiness unconsciously).
      Therefore, you cannot be both Russian and Russophobe, if you do not suffer from a split personality.
      "Ukraine / Ukrainians" is an unnatural project that emerged from oblivion at the beginning of the 20th century, and is going into it.
      1. _AMUHb_ Offline _AMUHb_
        _AMUHb_ (_AMUHb_) 31 October 2020 13: 58
        A.S. read Pushkin "Poltava"
        1. King3214 Offline King3214
          King3214 (Sergius) 31 October 2020 15: 04
          The word "shmudrik" is used in Russian.
          Does this mean that if the patients of the neuropsychiatric dispensary in the city of Novosibirsk declare themselves a "shmudrik" people, everyone will consider them an ancient people, on the grounds that the word "shmudrik" was found in Russian in the 20th century?
  2. Dimy4 Offline Dimy4
    Dimy4 (Dmitriy) 30 October 2020 11: 19
    After such a foreign policy "success," the Kremlin will only have to give Crimea back, pay compensation, apologize, and break the bridge for a bunch.
    1. Hodor Offline Hodor
      Hodor 30 October 2020 11: 44
      Well, in principle, with the Crimea, you can try and dodge, the problem is that the bunker grandmaster can again spoil everything with some kind of multi-move.
  3. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
    Marzhecki (Sergei) 30 October 2020 11: 33
    Vladimir Putin called someone who does not consider Kramatorsk a part of Ukraine "complete go..o ..tom"

    You said that some (Ukrainian) official said that Kramatorsk is not Ukraine. He is a complete i.d.o..t. A person not only does not fulfill his duty, but also commits a crime against his own country, as if cutting off part of the territory from it. Who authorized him? Complete nonsense, ”Russian President Vladimir Putin said at a meeting with the Council for the Development of Civil Society and Human Rights in Moscow. During the discussion, a participant in the meeting, who worked in the southeast of Ukraine, said that one of the Ukrainian officials refused to provide assistance to the residents of Kramatorsk, Donetsk region, citing the fact that this city is not part of the country.

    14 October 2014, 15: 53
    1. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
      Sapsan136 (Alexander) 30 October 2020 13: 50
      Well, here you can ask the same question personally to VVP ... Putin keeps troops in Syria, Armenia, Tajikistan and at the same time does not want to send troops to Donbass and Odessa ... Is he generally healthy, or what ?! Whom are we protecting there and for what purpose, moreover, the protection of the Russian people has been denied ...
      1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
        Marzhecki (Sergei) 30 October 2020 14: 39
        So I have been asking myself this question for six years now.
        1. Valentine Offline Valentine
          Valentine (Valentin) 30 October 2020 16: 30
          Didn't you notice that our troops are in these states by permission and agreement with their authorities, and Crimea is now ours because it was an AUTONOMY 6 years ago as part of Ukraine, and there was a law on a referendum, but with Donbass so far everything is different - it is an integral part of Ukraine with regional subordination to Kiev, and the fact that people there rebelled against the Ukronazi authorities and declared their sovereignty in their referendum, this contradicts all international rights and norms from a legal point of view. Now look at our Russia, because it is sewn from a patchwork quilt according to multinational characteristics, and they are already "wandering"
          Tatarstan, Bashkiria, Buryatia, Evenkia, Altai, Chechnya, Dagestan, etc., one has only to flare up some kind of interethnic, or religious spark, and somewhere the Tatar-Bashkir-Evenko Maidan begins, then the whole of Russia will fall down, it will rears up again, and HE will already be "Senseless and merciless", and even with nuclear weapons on hand. So until Donbass definitely acquires the status of some kind of AUTONOMY, we CANNOT send troops there, but ...
          Russia can do this only if it is the first to jerk towards Donbass. And about "everything is lost, Donbass was merged" ... Nobody is draining it, the Minsk Bazaar has come to the point that today's Ukraine, ruled by nationalists, NO-KOG -YES will not agree to the agreement of this document in its previous form, and Moscow will not alter it under the Ukrainian "Wishlist" either, and now. Just need to be patient for the residents of Donbass and for us, and wait, Ukraine, in this its condition, it will still not last long on handouts of the EuroUSA, and the "hegemon" is not in the best situation, and a civil war may break out there, everything is moving towards this, and everything in the world may change.
          1. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
            Sapsan136 (Alexander) 30 October 2020 16: 47
            However, this did not prevent the United States from recognizing Kosovo, a part of Serbia, a foreign state independent from Serbia, and Jerusalem, a part of Palestine, to give to Israel ... The question is whether the inhabitant of the Kremlin has eggs in his pants or not ?! Nobody recognizes the referendum in Crimea, so relax, the question is not about legality, but whether the US and NATO are profitable, or not, and whether Putin is ready to lick their heels or not ... Personally, I don't need Russian troops in Armenia, they have nothing to do there, since Armenia RF does not pay for the fact that our guys protect it, with Tajikistan the same song ... Putin has a different opinion ?! So he himself said that he is just a hired worker for the people of the Russian Federation as president, and if so, it would not hurt to ask the people at the referendum whether we want our guys to die for Armenia, Tajikistan, Syria ... or not And isn't it time to withdraw the Russian troops from these countries home, because we have nothing to do in someone else's war !!! And so that Tatarstan and others did not seethe, it was necessary to write in the constitution that the Russians were state-based people, as smart people demanded, and not to fawn on the separatists and Russophobic patients who came in large numbers from the countries of the former USSR ... Start really to plant everyone under Article 280 these Bandera and Basmachs, who have come into large numbers in the Russian Federation ... In the meantime, in the Kremlin, they will bend under them, they will be more and more greedy. You have to be a man, not a woman, once you climbed into the presidency and not try to please everyone, especially the nationalities, but to look after the interests of the majority, and the majority in the Russian Federation are Russians ... on which the integrity of the Russian Federation rests.
            1. sad1940 Offline sad1940
              sad1940 (serge) 30 October 2020 21: 00
              Unfortunately, our entire elite (the Duma, the Federation Council, and others) is so fraudulent, and not just the GDP. They are ready to thrash their tongues from morning to night and on any issue, but to firmly defend the interests of the country is not something in the gut, they will rather put them in their pants than show character. True, in order to manifest it, one must have it. And where did these .... come from? They only know how to grab with their mouths and other places, and defending the interests of the country is not their element!
            2. Valentine Offline Valentine
              Valentine (Valentin) 31 October 2020 13: 56
              Now, and as before, everything in our world is decided from a position of strength - who is stronger is the hegemon, but .... it is very shameful for our State, and all because we do not have a leader with iron "Fabergés", and I have already said many times here that "There is no Prophet in his Fatherland"
            3. Natan bruk Offline Natan bruk
              Natan bruk (Nathan Brook) 1 November 2020 08: 42
              How-how? The United States gave Jerusalem to Israel? This is news! Actually, all of Jerusalem is Israeli since 1967 and no one "gave it" to Israel. Recognizing it as the capital is another matter, but without recognition it was the Israeli capital for many years. And since when is Jerusalem a part of “Palestine?” What kind of country is this, what is its history, what is its monetary unit, etc.?
          2. Johann Klassen Offline Johann Klassen
            Johann Klassen (Johann Klassen) 31 October 2020 13: 42
            In Russia "pro-Jewish power".
            B / In most of the territory of the independent Ukrainian SSR, the Jewish fascist power, "supported and controlled" by the JewIntern.
            Even the "Holocaust" for Jews is just a "screen".
            Therefore, in the struggle of "Jews" against "Russians and Russia", the Jews are ahead.
            And "democracy and freedom", only for God's chosen ones, all the rest of the "Concentration camp".
            Confirmation of my words is "blocking my comment".
            1. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
              Sapsan136 (Alexander) 31 October 2020 22: 25
              I am inclined to agree that there are too many foreigners in the government of the Russian Federation, for whom Russia is not their homeland, but a hated milk cow, which they only want to milk and export the milk yield abroad, but they regularly forget to feed, and do not even consider it necessary. In the Russian Federation, it is necessary to adopt a law on citizenship modeled on Saudi Arabia, so that the maximum that all these Chubais and Yavlinskys could count on is work as a janitor in Kyzyl.
            2. Natan bruk Offline Natan bruk
              Natan bruk (Nathan Brook) 1 November 2020 08: 44
              And the comment is not blocked - that's the trouble :))) Another, "tortured youth" :)))
              1. bear040 Offline bear040
                bear040 1 November 2020 09: 37
                And where did you see the crime here ?! Your Israel today is pursuing a policy hostile to the Russian Federation, is an ally of the United States, so no one is obliged to love you here.
        2. Perfectionist Offline Perfectionist
          Perfectionist 31 October 2020 14: 05
          It's time to stop asking questions and draw conclusions. Pension reform, Donbass, coronavirus, inflation, unemployment, juvenile violence, pedophilia, pederasty, liberalism, ebn centers, capital export, migrants, etc. are not enough for you. etc.
      2. Monster_Fat Offline Monster_Fat
        Monster_Fat (What's the difference) 1 November 2020 19: 09
        Whom and where is Putin defending? Rather, "what" and from whom he defends. And the answer to this question is known in Switzerland and in the editorial office of Forbes. What kind of "Little Russia", what are you talking about ...
      3. Dmitry Maximov Offline Dmitry Maximov
        Dmitry Maximov (dmitry maximov) 3 November 2020 18: 56
        can the interests of capital?
    2. BMP-2 Offline BMP-2
      BMP-2 (Vladimir V.) 30 October 2020 14: 13
      Unfortunately, Kramatorsk is a territory temporarily occupied by Ukraine. So Putin is absolutely right in this case :)) In general, of course, mistakes need to be corrected: you can start by de-occupying Kosovo and Croatia as a whole. Well, so that Ukraine really has an opportunity to learn from other people's mistakes :))).
      1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
        Marzhecki (Sergei) 30 October 2020 14: 39
        Quote: BMP-2
        Unfortunately, Kramatorsk is a territory temporarily occupied by Ukraine. So in this case, Putin is absolutely right :))

        This is the question of Novorossiya.
        1. BMP-2 Offline BMP-2
          BMP-2 (Vladimir V.) 30 October 2020 15: 00
          So the fact of the matter is that New Russia is not a question: (. As if it never existed, as if it is not a part of Russian culture, Russian statehood, but the Russians who live there are not Russians :( Well, then it is not clear who should take care of protecting their interests: "adjacent" Russia or Nazi Ukraine ...
          1. passing by Offline passing by
            passing by (passing by) 30 October 2020 18: 52
            the fact of the appearance of Novorossia as a result of the division of the ruins between Russia and Poland along the Dnieper does not bother you? There are no more Russians than Poles among the Little Russians. Does the fact of Novorossia's participation in the massacre of the Haidamaks bother you? Or do the Russians also like to burn cities and villages with children and women? There is mostly Russian land. and the re-education of the aborigines will be done not by Russia, but by themselves.
            1. BMP-2 Offline BMP-2
              BMP-2 (Vladimir V.) 2 November 2020 19: 15
              And why should this fact be embarrassing, if this is not a fact, but a fake:?) In fact, New Russia did not arise as a result of the Russian-Polish wars, but as a result of the Russian-Turkish wars in the XNUMXth century. But there are no more Turks there than among the Poles - Little Russians! :))) Because for a long time before the arrival of the Turks, not only the lands of Novorossiya but also the population were Russian. Even the constitution of Pylyp Orlyk, which Ukrainians now present as the "first European" one, was written in Russian and Latin (and not in Ukrainian or Little Russian :))). I don’t understand which cities burned down during the pacification of the Haidamaks, since the Haidamaks lived on the right bank (which is not New Russia at all :). They were mainly in conflict with Poland. And when the haidamaks attacked the Turkish city of Balta, Catherine was forced to pacify the roaming lovers of free life, since another war with Turkey was not included in her plans. And, again, the Haidamaks are not a separate people. This is a group of people who have chosen to earn with weapons as their way of life. In modern terms - PMCs or organized crime groups - you can use any term that seems closer :)).
        2. Tramp1812 Offline Tramp1812
          Tramp1812 (Tramp 1812) 30 October 2020 21: 13
          Quote: Marzhetsky
          Quote: BMP-2
          Unfortunately, Kramatorsk is a territory temporarily occupied by Ukraine. So in this case, Putin is absolutely right :))

          This is the question of Novorossiya.

          I always read your publications with interest. Good analytics, preparation of publications on a factual basis, non-standard presentation, good style. And now I am curious to read your comments. About the publication. Why around and around? You're in the subject. And it turns out like the hero N.V. Gogol: "Let me not allow you ....".
          It seems to me that the author of the publication, having correctly noted all the main flaws of the proposals, avoids answering the main question: what has it to do with the alleged position of the LPR and DPR about which he criticizes? Kiev and the West will accept the submitted signal absolutely correctly. As I may assume, you have correctly understood. This is the position of Russia, which was only announced by the representatives of Lugansk and Donetsk. And the point is not in the betrayal of the RF, but in the fact that there is simply no money ... But you hold on.
          1. Johann Klassen Offline Johann Klassen
            Johann Klassen (Johann Klassen) 31 October 2020 13: 50
            Where did you get this on the question of "money"?
            Did David Aharonovich Mendel say that?
            1. Tramp1812 Offline Tramp1812
              Tramp1812 (Tramp 1812) 31 October 2020 14: 19
              Yes Yes . It was he who said that. In Crimea, if memory serves. Perhaps you have other information. Share only, with links. But among your brothers there are unique people who claim that Russia spends $ 300 billion a year on defense. 30% of total GDP. Truth without links. Although, according to official data, -50 billion will not be enough for Syria, Libya, Donbass, now Karabakh. It's always about money. They are of course to squabbles, but without them it's bad.
      2. Natan bruk Offline Natan bruk
        Natan bruk (Nathan Brook) 1 November 2020 08: 45
        And who is occupying Croatia?
        1. BMP-2 Offline BMP-2
          BMP-2 (Vladimir V.) 2 November 2020 19: 19
          And who occupies Ukraine :?) Ukrainians ...
  4. Hodor Offline Hodor
    Hodor 30 October 2020 11: 41
    Putin chose the worst of all possible options. And now, but now it just remains to surrender. This is a multi-pass.
  5. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
    Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 30 October 2020 11: 46
    There is no ambition without ammunition. The Russian Federation is trying to shift the burden of keeping Donbass on the shoulders of Kiev and prepare for economic difficulties.
  6. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 30 October 2020 12: 13
    And, another khokhlosliv.

    The plan has been fulfilled.
    The buffer zone, with tension, poverty, crime, has been formed and stabilized.
    Strelkov and K played, for a long time in Russia. All reputable volunteers / Cossacks / populists have been "cleaned out".

    And the fantasies "Russian world" and "Russian spring" were merged long ago, as unnecessary. Profits from them are nikaoi, some waste ... Remember? - "Ours, Leaders of Russia, Strategy 2010, Antiham" and others, other, other
  7. boriz Offline boriz
    boriz (boriz) 30 October 2020 13: 15
    It seems to me that Ukraine will not accept this option either.
  8. Valentine Offline Valentine
    Valentine (Valentin) 30 October 2020 13: 32
    Let's wait and see ... We must first watch the show of the presidential elections in the States, 6 million barrels of various calibers were sold there in just 2,5 months, and this is in addition to the 282 million barrels that are already in the hands of the 320 million US population. It seems that the Yankees will soon have no time for Ukraine and Russia, there are now their problems with the colored population above the roof.
  9. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
    Sapsan136 (Alexander) 30 October 2020 13: 47
    Here only one question arises - Putin does not want to get involved in conflicts on the borders of the Russian Federation, where in general the Russian Federation could protect the interests of the Russian people, because it does not want war and blah blah blah ... Then what is the Russian Federation doing in Syria and where are we from? defending the Arabs if we don't want to defend the Russians ?! What are we doing in Armenia and Tajikistan, why are our guys dying there for peoples alien to us and countries that have separated from the Russian Federation ?! What does the Russian Federation spend on all this money that it could spend on raising the standard of living in the Russian Federation, improving roads, etc. ?!
    1. rotkiv04 Offline rotkiv04
      rotkiv04 (Victor) 30 October 2020 20: 04
      but is it not clear yet, this is a man in a case - if something did not happen, it would be better to sit in a house, and for an excuse to say that this is Chinese philosophy - to wait until the enemy's corpse floats
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  11. steelmaker Offline steelmaker
    steelmaker 30 October 2020 16: 31
    And I constantly say: "You don't need brains to govern like this, it is enough not to have a conscience!"
    1. rotkiv04 Offline rotkiv04
      rotkiv04 (Victor) 30 October 2020 20: 00
      if one were to ask this manager for those billions that are profane, buried and drowned, then the attitude to the management style would be different
      1. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
        A.Lex 31 October 2020 10: 31
        Well then, start the demand with the tagged bear! And then - with the wrestling drunk.
  12. Dmitry Malikov Offline Dmitry Malikov
    Dmitry Malikov (Dmitry Malikov) 30 October 2020 18: 31
    Yes, I do not care about concessions, Ukraine is still not going to do anything. There, from Ukraine, some sheep are sitting, who will only agree to complete surrender, self-liquidation of all leaders of the LPR and defeat in rights to the level of slaves of all other residents. So it's just a political game like that.
  13. Kuramori Reika Offline Kuramori Reika
    Kuramori Reika (Kuramori Reika) 30 October 2020 19: 45
    Ukrainians will never agree to return Donbass and Luhansk. Not right now. There is a black hole in the budget, there is nothing to pay pensions, the country is falling into a cesspool. And then they are offered another million pensioners and the destroyed republics. It's like giving a dying person a few shots of adrenaline. His heart will break before he can take a step.
  14. Vitaly Borchik Offline Vitaly Borchik
    Vitaly Borchik (Vitaly Borchik) 30 October 2020 19: 46
    Well, what else did we want? We strive for PEACE, and this is a plan to establish peace in the Sumerian Donbass! Glory to the MKAD conciliators! ;) Long game, so that ...... "You are not understandable for my mind Chapay man" However, the Sumerians are such morons that they will NOT agree with such reconciliation! and it pleases!
  15. rotkiv04 Offline rotkiv04
    rotkiv04 (Victor) 30 October 2020 19: 57
    only a complete idiot can think that these proposals from Donbass itself, these are all Kremlin fucking HPP
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  17. lahudra Offline lahudra
    lahudra (Nikolay Kondrashkin) 31 October 2020 00: 12
    Unhappy Donbassians, melt your weapon on the monument to Stepan Andreevich, and for the remaining pennies buy Frolova's textbooks on the melodic Ukrainian language.
  18. Radikal Offline Radikal
    Radikal 31 October 2020 01: 59
    Why did it happen that the die-hard inhabitants of the region, rebellious to the Kiev putschists, who, regardless of losses, all these years with arms in their hands defended their right to be part of the "Russian world", and not Bandera's Ukraine, are now ready to humbly return to its fold, relying on certain “guarantees” and “agreements” that the “post-Maidan” authorities violate as easily as they give?

    The residents have nothing to do with it, everything was decided for them in the Kremlin, and, accordingly, those whom the Kremlin put in charge of them. In my opinion, everyone should have got used long ago (although it is impossible to get used to it) to the policy of betrayal started by Gorbachev, continued by Yeltsin, and the successors of which are the current leadership of the Russian Federation. sad
  19. Binder Offline Binder
    Binder (Miron) 31 October 2020 06: 09
    More than six years passed before the Kremlin finally realized that the Novorossiya project had failed. Moscow strategists planned to seize from Ukraine the territory from Kharkov to Transnistria, an area with a predominance of the Russian-speaking population, and declare them voluntarily joining the Russian Federation. As a result, they received a peninsula drying up from an acute shortage of fresh water, war and devastation in the Donbass, and the status of a rogue state. Now Putin and the company are trying to quietly get off the tree, where they jumped in 2014 out of unreason, but nothing happens, you have to pay for all the stoned jambs, wait a bit - they will also return Crimea, and pay compensation ...
    1. kot711 Offline kot711
      kot711 (vov) 31 October 2020 11: 02
      pay for all the stoned shoals, wait a bit - they will also return Crimea, and pay compensation ... ,,
      You are there for now, prepare the bag, where you will put millions.
      1. Binder Offline Binder
        Binder (Miron) 31 October 2020 15: 04
        I don’t care about those millions - I’m no side to Ukraine ...
        1. kot711 Offline kot711
          kot711 (vov) 1 November 2020 13: 18
          I am no sideways to Ukraine ... ,, However, Katz offers to surrender.
  20. oracul Offline oracul
    oracul (leonid) 31 October 2020 07: 46
    Each vegetable has its own time. I would like to decide everything as soon as possible, but there is life and there are ravines (the same pandemic) on which you have to walk. Russia is capable of inflicting a military defeat on any enemy, but waging a war of attrition is not. For this it is necessary to destroy western Carthage, and it is a matter of time.
  21. Vitaly Lozovich Offline Vitaly Lozovich
    Vitaly Lozovich (Vitaly Lozovich) 31 October 2020 10: 30
    Donbass is not going to Ukraine!
    1. Natan bruk Offline Natan bruk
      Natan bruk (Nathan Brook) 1 November 2020 08: 50
      As if the Kremlin will ask MMMshchik and his company who is going where.
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  22. yaelxninsh Offline yaelxninsh
    yaelxninsh (Janis Elksninsh) 31 October 2020 10: 50
    How many wasted victims this strategy has.
  23. _AMUHb_ Offline _AMUHb_
    _AMUHb_ (_AMUHb_) 31 October 2020 15: 01
    the nations are in vain ... and the kings of the earth are plotting in vain ...
    are you immortals gathered here? "smart" children somehow poured water on the tiles so that they would not run away, and with the help of a magnifying glass they burned their carcasses (a kind of heavenly punishment for higher beings) ... time is sly, you look and will end. to read this way people experienced even the worst times ... but the "water" binds it and is poured
  24. Ivan Ivanov_21 Offline Ivan Ivanov_21
    Ivan Ivanov_21 (Ivan Ivanov) 31 October 2020 17: 43
    the author turns on the ** fool ** and starts thinking about what made the ** leaders of the republics ** take such an ambiguous step. In addition to the author of this article, the smallest child knows who writes such sentences ** on a quick knee **.
    1. Pavel Fedorov Offline Pavel Fedorov
      Pavel Fedorov (Pavel Fedorov) 5 November 2020 19: 47
      Vanya, you didn't smell the shekels ...
  25. scorp Offline scorp
    scorp (Alexander Burylov) 31 October 2020 17: 59
    It is good to talk about the introduction of Russian troops into the Donbas while sitting on a couch 2000 km from Donbas and knowing that there is no need to answer for the market. And there will be many who would like to fight the Ukrainians, where there are many relatives of Russians. And what the jingoistic patriots will say when the coffins go. In addition, what will happen to our economy when all countries will be against us for the ACTUAL input of the REGULAR troops of the Russian Federation.
  26. Beelzebub Offline Beelzebub
    Beelzebub (Sergey Shaptsev) 31 October 2020 19: 47
    Che to say that ???? Donbass handed over to Russia !!! One Roach was lucky - he fled to Russia with his 130 stolen lamas and lives peacefully !!! And Zakhar WHAT did he give his life for ??? Those who got Russian passports were very lucky !!! They push around a little in search of registration and settle in Russia !!! There will be no Russian World in Ukraine ...
  27. For a new Socialim (Paul) 1 November 2020 00: 35
    Russian crooks and thieves decided to sell people for praise and a residence permit in Europe.
  28. mikhail.rybakov2017 (mikhail rybakov) 1 November 2020 08: 37
    How tired of our spineless policy on the verge of betrayal.
    1. Pavel Fedorov Offline Pavel Fedorov
      Pavel Fedorov (Pavel Fedorov) 5 November 2020 19: 45
      So they are traitors, or rather, they have always been. There are no Russians there, Misha ... these are Shekelen-carriers ....... building the Khazars ... in the Kremlin and in the Ukraine ...
  29. SNYG Offline SNYG
    SNYG 1 November 2020 18: 57
    what is the author writing about? he thinks that in Donbass they do not understand what all this threatens them? The article did not read enough heading. Read "They fought for the Motherland." Everything is written there. And who fled from Moscow and who went to defend it. Donbass does not drive empty.
  30. istrem Offline istrem
    istrem (alexandr istrem) 2 November 2020 10: 42
    Fake! how much opium for the people
    1. Pavel Fedorov Offline Pavel Fedorov
      Pavel Fedorov (Pavel Fedorov) 5 November 2020 19: 43
      Instrem, try to get acquainted with the history ... here's a fake for you ...
  31. Oh_ho_ho Offline Oh_ho_ho
    Oh_ho_ho (Victor) 2 November 2020 21: 48
    I'd better not read this article at night. Russians don't give up their ... Lee ???
    1. Pavel Fedorov Offline Pavel Fedorov
      Pavel Fedorov (Pavel Fedorov) 5 November 2020 19: 42
      And where are the Russians? Mostly Jews ..
  32. Heroes Heroes Offline Heroes Heroes
    Heroes Heroes (Sergei) 3 November 2020 13: 52
    What did i just read?
  33. Pavel Fedorov Offline Pavel Fedorov
    Pavel Fedorov (Pavel Fedorov) 5 November 2020 19: 41
    Yes-aaaaa ..... Kremlin and Bandera Judas - one field of berries. Initially agreed. The Slavs killed each other. Judas rejoiced and rubbed their hands.