Conflicts in the world hurt the prestige of the Russian S-300 air defense systems


Military conflicts in the SAR, Libya and NKR have significantly reduced the prestige of the Russian S-300 Favorit anti-aircraft missile systems, as well as the Pantsir air defense missile system - they are not able to properly resist the UAV. The newspaper writes about it MIC.


In the military confrontation in Nagorno-Karabakh, the use of Turkish-made unmanned aerial vehicles by Baku is of great importance. Armenia could also use military drones to destroy Azerbaijani aircraft at airfields, but Yerevan does not possess such weapons, since the Russian Federation does not have them. In the wars of the future, the role of combat drones will noticeably increase, however, the publication expresses doubts about the ability of the radio electronic means of the Russian Armed Forces to effectively destroy UAVs, which sensitively affects the prestige of Russian air defense systems.

The sky is completely dominated by drones, and we see that they are drawing the line under the use of armored vehicles

- noted the military expert Aleksey Khlopotov, speaking about the development of the situation in Nagorno-Karabakh.

The S-300 (S-400) complexes located in Syria were never involved in Israeli air raids. Armenian long-range anti-aircraft systems were also silent - they preferred to move them closer to Yerevan and leave them as "the last argument" in a possible war with Baku. SAM "Pantsir" in Libya and Syria, being under the control of Arab operators, showed themselves not from the best side. All this in one way or another has a negative impact on the reputation of Russian anti-aircraft systems.
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  1. passing by Online passing by
    passing by (passing by) 21 October 2020 17: 44
    +7
    Azerbaijan is at war with Karabakh, not Armenia. so Armenia could not and would not receive anything. Was Russia supposed to shoot down Jews over Lebanon? If a monkey crashes a Rolls-Royce is the car bad? How long is it possible ???
  2. rotkiv04 Online rotkiv04
    rotkiv04 (Victor) 21 October 2020 17: 50
    +3
    and when it was the Arabs who successfully used Soviet or Russian technology, if the hands are crooked, then no equipment will help out here, and even more so as complex as air defense systems, for this you need to constantly learn and improve your skills. So this is not a bad technique, there are no hands grow from that place. And in general, it would not hurt those minds who decide to sell better to think to whom to sell
    1. Morgan Offline Morgan
      Morgan (Miron) 21 October 2020 21: 07
      +2
      You forgot to mark another curved horizon.
    2. Vladimir Tuzakov (Vladimir Tuzakov) 21 October 2020 21: 39
      +3
      Basically, the hands of the Arabs are not crooked, but intelligence and knowledge of the theater of military operations allow the Israelis to calculate meticulously and strike without loss ... (they caught the Armor not in combat condition, struck from areas inaccessible to air defense, etc. ...) Here, by cunning and intelligence (often by betrayal) achieve success.
      1. Natan bruk Offline Natan bruk
        Natan bruk (Natan Bruk) 22 October 2020 09: 15
        -1
        At least one "Armor" was destroyed in the firing position (shooting with an onboard camera). It fired at an approaching missile, but for some reason everything went by.
    3. Nikolaevich I Offline Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I (Vladimir) 22 October 2020 09: 56
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      Quote: rotkiv04
      And in general, it would not hurt those minds who decide to sell better to think to whom to sell

      Duc, pennies are needed! For the sake of the red price, I will not regret my sister! Nothing personal ! Only business!
  3. 123 Online 123
    123 (123) 21 October 2020 18: 00
    +2
    The author is wrong, this is the reputation of the American Patriots trampled into the mud. They blew their nose into it and threw it away.
    Ahinea, of course, but otherwise it is not possible to comment on this nonsense.
    As I understand it, Khlopotov said the following:

    The sky is completely dominated by drones, and we can see that they are drawing the line under the use of armored vehicles. She is absolutely defenseless in front of them, even with built-in dynamic protection. Today, tanks in the form in which they were are beginning to fade into the past, or at least designers have to draw serious conclusions.

    What does the S-400 have to do with it? request
    1. passing by Online passing by
      passing by (passing by) 21 October 2020 18: 37
      -2
      Well, how ... it is written in white for the Russians ... to beat the sparrows with a cannon, and if the hands are crooked, the cannon is bad.
      1. rotkiv04 Online rotkiv04
        rotkiv04 (Victor) 21 October 2020 21: 55
        -1
        no need to speculate, you are bad at it
    2. Natan bruk Offline Natan bruk
      Natan bruk (Natan Bruk) 22 October 2020 08: 33
      -1
      It is trampled into the mud only in your imagination. In the same Yemen, several hundred missiles were shot down. Yes, and you could also ask about the effectiveness of “Patriots of the pilots of two Syrian fighters that flew into Israel (and they were shot down by them). It's understandable if they had survived.
      1. 123 Online 123
        123 (123) 22 October 2020 09: 59
        +2
        It is trampled into the mud only in your imagination.

        Agree yes Why trample her? If there is no reputation, then nothing can spoil it laughing

        In Yemen, for example, several hundred missiles were shot down.

        How does it selectively work recourse In Yemen, everything is knocked down by the hundreds, but in Saudi Arabia itself or in Iraq it no longer works request Wrong climate? smile By the way, can you share a reference? Where can you read about the "brilliant" air defense work in Yemen?

        Yes, and you could also ask about the effectiveness of “Patriots of the pilots of two Syrian fighters that flew into Israel (and they were shot down by them). It is clear if they survived.

        It is not clear what case we are talking about, maybe they just got lost and did not expect an attack?
        1. Natan bruk Offline Natan bruk
          Natan bruk (Natan Bruk) 24 October 2020 22: 45
          -3
          Well, yes, we got lost, we didn't expect it, it’s very familiar, how is it :))) About that incident - well, maybe remember, then here and on VO they wrote about this, it was noteworthy that the commander of the crew was a girl. Saudi Arabia was shot down by this air defense repeatedly. And the fact that you do not know this is not surprising - you, as I understand, read mostly "patriotic" resources, it is not accepted to write about it there. Okay, I'll look for a link about the downed Syrian planes that violated the airspace Israel Well, of course, any device, even a super-duper advanced, needs straight arms and a head that is not only eaten.
  4. amateur Offline amateur
    amateur (Victor) 21 October 2020 18: 08
    0
    Conflicts in the world hurt the prestige of the Russian S-300 air defense systems

    This is probably why a lot of non-polite zhurnalyugs go to shit to prove the poor quality of Soviet / Russian air defense systems. But for some reason no one is in a hurry to really experience them on themselves.
    1. Natan bruk Offline Natan bruk
      Natan bruk (Natan Bruk) 22 October 2020 08: 37
      0
      Why, in Israel, they regularly test it. So far, it is a failure for the Soviet-Russian systems. And, no, the Syrian agitprop has already pushed rockets and planes onto the train, no less. But, it really doesn’t show. Because they are secret.
  5. Alexander Bobkov (Born in the USSR) 21 October 2020 18: 13
    -7
    So it is ours themselves undermined the prestige of the air defense system by their inaction
  6. Afinogen Offline Afinogen
    Afinogen (Afinogen) 21 October 2020 18: 23
    -1
    What a complete nonsense. If he can't drive, he crashes into a post in a Mercedes. The fact that "Mercedes" is bad ??? fool
  7. sgrabik Offline sgrabik
    sgrabik (Sergei) 21 October 2020 18: 23
    +1
    Nevertheless, for some reason, our Khmeimim airbase in Syria is attacked almost every day by a variety of drones, from the smallest to the heaviest drone, and so far not a single such attack has been successful, maybe it’s not so much about air defense systems, but in the ability to use them professionally and effectively use all their capabilities !!!
    1. John Hart Offline John Hart
      John Hart (John Hart) 21 October 2020 19: 32
      -8
      Or maybe not the deceitful first state channel does not show everything, and the generals with boteks on their lips do not tell everything, although you live on a field of miracles, shots of how they beat shells with Russian operators in Libya is a lie and the general was spanked in Syria, too.
      1. tagil Offline tagil
        tagil (Sergei) 21 October 2020 19: 57
        0
        And about the fact that the servicemen of special forces and intelligence of the British, Americans and Jews who were in the ranks of terrorists Russian special forces soaked in truthful BBS are not told, probably ashamed?
        1. Binder Offline Binder
          Binder (Miron) 21 October 2020 22: 14
          -1
          You should be ashamed, young man - you write complete nonsense.
          1. tagil Offline tagil
            tagil (Sergei) 22 October 2020 11: 59
            -1
            Grandpa I write what I know.
            1. Binder Offline Binder
              Binder (Miron) 22 October 2020 12: 56
              0
              Share the source of such unique knowledge. lol
              1. tagil Offline tagil
                tagil (Sergei) 22 October 2020 18: 21
                -1
                And Google to help you.
                1. Binder Offline Binder
                  Binder (Miron) 22 October 2020 19: 12
                  -1
                  In this way, you can dig up the presence of aliens in the ranks of the militants. lol
                  1. tagil Offline tagil
                    tagil (Sergei) 22 October 2020 22: 19
                    +1
                    So you don't know how to use the Internet. I give a tip, look for the records of the interrogation of captured terrorists.
                    1. Binder Offline Binder
                      Binder (Miron) 23 October 2020 02: 20
                      0
                      I'm not interested in fakes.
        2. Tramp1812 Offline Tramp1812
          Tramp1812 (Tramp 1812) 22 October 2020 08: 06
          +1
          Quote: Tagil
          And about the fact that the servicemen of special forces and intelligence of the British, Americans and Jews who were in the ranks of terrorists Russian special forces soaked in truthful BBS are not told, probably ashamed?

          It makes no sense to praise your own pants, because they are your own. In the Yom Kippur War, the air defense of the "C" series simply showed itself brilliantly and was the only surprise for Israel on the battlefield. Let me remind you that the air defense of Egypt and Syria was destroyed not from the air, but by tanks. In particular, on the western bank of the canal, after a strike at the junction of the Egyptian 2nd and 3rd armies and a breakthrough into Africa. But time passed. The Jews learned their lesson. And already in 1982, the entire deeply echeloned air defense system of Syria was destroyed to zero. With the help of Drones. S-300 today - the day before yesterday. Waste against drones. And the author correctly writes about tanks. The same Israel has stopped releasing its national pride - the Merkava. There will be no 6th generation. The T-34 also once showed itself very well. And about the hushed up losses of the Jews - just ridiculous. The surname and name of each dead Jewish soldier is stamped on a special board and the list is announced on the day of commemoration by radio throughout the country. Taking into account the Jewish attitude to human life, this is never possible. Does the family not know about the death of their son or husband? And if the government does not report this, then the family itself will report in the press, Facebook, Twitter, and will demonstrate. And such a scandal will arise that any government will resign at the very moment.
          1. tagil Offline tagil
            tagil (Sergei) 22 October 2020 12: 00
            0
            It makes no sense to praise your own pants, because they are your own.

            Well, don't praise your pants, otherwise I'm tired of reading about your victories.
            1. Tramp1812 Offline Tramp1812
              Tramp1812 (Tramp 1812) 22 October 2020 12: 43
              +1
              And the Torah says:

              Judge not by their words, but by their deeds.

              The speech in the publication that the S-300 have ceased to be popular, because there is no sense from them. In response: they do not know how to use. So I had to recall that there was a time when the S-300 showed itself brilliantly. Almost 50 years ago. Now - other realities. Therefore, Hel Aavir is literally and figuratively on top. And about the victories of Jewish weapons and soldiers. If this is just boastfulness and lies - document it. With links. So, just now the President of All Azerbaijan publicly announced that Yars destroyed Baku with one left. Refuted by documents. So go ahead. And if you are tired of reading about the victories of Israeli weapons: do not read. Nobody forces.
              1. tagil Offline tagil
                tagil (Sergei) 22 October 2020 18: 20
                -1
                I'm tired. Google to the rescue.
              2. tagil Offline tagil
                tagil (Sergei) 22 October 2020 19: 04
                0
                The speech in the publication that the S-300 have ceased to be popular, because there is no sense from them.

                Well, why is Google silent? Officially, which of the high-ranking "members" of the countries with the S-300 in service said that this complex

                has a negative impact on the reputation of Russian anti-aircraft systems.

                And about the evidence. I hope you will not deny that among the terrorist groups there are foreign instructors wearing shoulder straps of their countries, not PMCs, but the military (I hope you will find interrogations of captured babays on the Internet). So that's what I mean. One Jew in one country at the parade shouts, glory to Ukraine and nothing that he didn't get hit on the head. Another honest high-ranking Jew goes to this country, drives along Bandera Avenue and shakes hands with another Jew, well, the one who shouts glory to Ukraine, glory to heroes. And I will note that he "swears" to him in eternal friendship or help and understanding, here everyone reads between the lines himself (where is the Jewish world heading?), And nothing too. in Israel, they don't even scold him, let alone remove him from office. So that's it. Why not another one or a couple of Jews wearing shoulder straps be present in the basement in the company of American and British friends (also quite wearing shoulder straps), in one of the provinces of Syria, which at that time was under the control of terrorist groups (the fight against Assad and the Russians is sacred yes )? And what documents? Go to HaMosad le Modiin ole Tafkidim Meuhadim.
                1. Tramp1812 Offline Tramp1812
                  Tramp1812 (Tramp 1812) 23 October 2020 04: 03
                  +1
                  There are countries on the planet - Syria, for example, in which the S-300 is used as decoration. Not a single downed Israeli fighter. There are countries, like Greece, where the same S-300 air defense system is in service and has not shown itself in anything either: Athens is not at war with anyone. And in Armenia there is: the Armenian military "successes" are obvious. Rather, we see the successes of Baku. In all three cases, there is no particular benefit from the S-300, to put it mildly. That's all. But, of course, who would argue if, in theory, Uganda will fight with Cameroon .... And in this war a squadron of MiG-17 will fly out of Kampala to bomb Yaounde, then the S-300 will brilliantly show itself. Because for the third world countries - yes - it is a reliable, good, modern weapon.
                  On the second question, to be honest, I did not understand. Petliura, Bandera, Khmelnitsky, Gonta - definitely, at any level, for Israel are extremely negative historical characters, anti-Semites and criminals. What Israel has officially stated on several occasions. The Jew, Samuel Schwarzburd, who shot Petliura in Paris, is the national hero of Israel. There are monuments to him in the country. As well as to the soldiers of the Soviet army. This is the first thing. What you write about Bandera is a flood. Not having the slightest relation to the topic of the publication. This is the second. Finally, in the third. I have already explained to you that the name of any soldier of Israel who was in the IDF at the time of his death and who died, will never be silenced. This is simply not possible. A priori. And you do not refute this argument. But you write about some basements, "Mossad", "kings and cabbage", Gd knows what else. I repeat, it is even impossible to understand the semantic load. Repeatedly write to me that I have tired you. Accepted. I won't do it anymore. Chessword.
      2. Oyo Sarkazmi Offline Oyo Sarkazmi
        Oyo Sarkazmi (Oyo Sarkazmi) 21 October 2020 20: 16
        +1
        Quote: John Hart
        footage of how they beat shells with Russian operators in Libya is a lie

        The beacon of truth, sucked into by CNN, is in Libya. The shells of the UAE, and the Israelis should cover them, standing guard over the pipes for exporting American oil. And it's not even a fact that the Arabian Armor was operated by operators trained in Russia. Rather, Pakistani mercenaries, who were told: you will see a nonsense on the thing, and you will press this squiggle.
      3. rotkiv04 Online rotkiv04
        rotkiv04 (Victor) 21 October 2020 21: 58
        -1
        there is nowhere to put the stigma on your US media, it would be better to keep quiet
      4. sgrabik Offline sgrabik
        sgrabik (Sergei) 22 October 2020 07: 32
        +1
        Generals do not die every day, and even more so, not only the Russian military are killed, recently Turkish senior officers were killed, then they are military to risk their lives !!!
    2. Binder Offline Binder
      Binder (Miron) 21 October 2020 22: 51
      -3
      Quote: sgrabik
      is attacked by a wide variety of drones, from the smallest to the heaviest drone,

      As for heavy attack drones, a mistake: never once was such a technique used in attacks on Khmeimim, more and more some artisanal drones were flying there.
      1. sgrabik Offline sgrabik
        sgrabik (Sergei) 22 October 2020 07: 34
        0
        No need to talk in vain, several dozen American-made drones have already been shot down, this is officially confirmed, so there is no mistake here !!!
        1. Tramp1812 Offline Tramp1812
          Tramp1812 (Tramp 1812) 22 October 2020 08: 19
          +2
          When the S-300s were delivered to Syria, an expert spoke on Israel TV about this. He immediately said that the S-300 did not pose the slightest threat to the Israeli Air Force. And he even explained that before the launch of the air defense missile, the object is illuminated.
          And an Israeli fighter jet strikes the illumination beam before it starts. So even without the Drones, this air defense system has outlived its usefulness. This is what the conflict in Karabakh showed. However, if there are simpletons buying it from the RF, why not sell it?
        2. Natan bruk Offline Natan bruk
          Natan bruk (Natan Bruk) 22 October 2020 08: 42
          0
          Will there be official confirmation ponds or blah blah?
          1. Natan bruk Offline Natan bruk
            Natan bruk (Natan Bruk) 22 October 2020 09: 07
            0
            Will there be ponds about "official confirmation"?
            1. Natan bruk Offline Natan bruk
              Natan bruk (Natan Bruk) 22 October 2020 09: 13
              0
              I meant "proofs".
        3. Binder Offline Binder
          Binder (Miron) 22 October 2020 12: 49
          -2
          Complete nonsense. fool
    3. Natan bruk Offline Natan bruk
      Natan bruk (Natan Bruk) 22 October 2020 08: 40
      0
      Khmeimim was never attacked by heavy drummers. Barmaley simply do not have them. Crafts from Ali Express, nothing more.
      1. Sergey Gordeev Offline Sergey Gordeev
        Sergey Gordeev (Sergey Gordeev) 22 October 2020 10: 58
        -1
        On the other hand, experts from the Turks and Western countries probably advised how to attack Khmeimim more than once following the results of the raids and nothing happened.
  8. bear040 Online bear040
    bear040 21 October 2020 18: 52
    +5
    According to the author's logic, the United States should go broke, because the expensive American-made Patriot air defense systems have shown their inability to shoot down 100% of the antediluvian Scuds and Arab homemade products that fire at Israel, and missile attacks on US military bases are far from being new missiles.
    1. Natan bruk Offline Natan bruk
      Natan bruk (Natan Bruk) 22 October 2020 09: 09
      -1
      Nobody is bombarding Israel with Scads. But Israel is doing an excellent job with the analogs of the Grad, and not with the Patriots, but with its own systems.
      1. bear040 Online bear040
        bear040 24 October 2020 09: 13
        +4
        Scads Israel fired at Iraq and the Patriot air defense system did not cope with them 100%, and the Arabs shoot at you with homemade products made from a water pipe on their knees and sometimes quite successfully
        1. Natan bruk Offline Natan bruk
          Natan bruk (Natan Bruk) 24 October 2020 19: 03
          -3
          She remembered her as a girl :))) That was the first generation of Patriots, which, by the way, was not intended for missile defense at all. Some of them were shot down. And Hussein fired so “successfully” that there was 1 (one) victim, and killed from heart problems during the shelling. Today, before repelling missiles of the Scud type, Patriots are not used at all, they are mainly for aerodynamic purposes, and the Scuds have their own systems sharpened for this. A year ago, Hezbollah and the KSIR tried to launch several such in the north of Israel, everyone was shot down. After that, the launch sites were blown away from the air, now they sit like mice under a broom. Well, about the "Arabs", that is, Hamas - they have not used any "homemade products from a water pipe" for a long time, and have long been shooting full-fledged analogs of GRAD and according to the results of independent experts (not Israeli), the efficiency of the same "Dome" is about 85-90%, which is a very high indicator. So learn the materiel so as not to look like an ignoramus who has no idea about it.
          1. Shadow041 Offline Shadow041
            Shadow041 25 October 2020 00: 32
            +2
            Well, let's see how you can actually intercept Iranian missiles, if it comes to that. In words, you are all heroes. Some supposedly invincible Abrams and Leopards are worth ... Leopards, after their use by the Danes in Afghanistan and the Turks in Syria, should be renamed Leoperds ... well, the Abrams after Fallujah are about the same ...
            1. Natan bruk Offline Natan bruk
              Natan bruk (Natan Bruk) 25 October 2020 07: 15
              -1
              And how to rename the T-72 after Grozny? And with regards to "Iranian missiles", as the chief of the Israeli General Staff once said -

              "Attempting to attack Israel with unconventional weapons will be the end of Persian civilization."
              1. Shadow041 Offline Shadow041
                Shadow041 29 October 2020 04: 02
                +2
                If the T-72 were in Grozny, the Abrams losses would have been even higher, and 1 nuclear warhead would be enough to destroy Israel, so don't bury yourself. You will lose your country, in other countries you are not much loved and expected.
                1. Natan bruk Offline Natan bruk
                  Natan bruk (Natan Bruk) 29 October 2020 08: 54
                  -3
                  In, another sofa warrior. The destroyer has not grown. You can, after all, receive in return
                  - Moscow and St. Petersburg and a dozen more megalopolises will definitely not be. Look at your country, don't lose it. How Russians are loved and expected ...
  9. John Hart Offline John Hart
    John Hart (John Hart) 21 October 2020 19: 29
    -12 qualifying.
    Here they are common thoughts, the army of the Russian Federation is based on the army of the USSR and this is 20V and right now it's already the third decade of the 3st, it's surprising that there are armies buying weapons of the Russian Federation, here Turkey and Israel showed who they are, and this is just the beginning, the West took the Russian Federation by the gills without a shot, and will put in a pose and kiss, everything in the world depends on Washington
    1. tagil Offline tagil
      tagil (Sergei) 21 October 2020 20: 08
      +1
      ..you don't worry about our Soviet weapon, if something doesn't make it easier for you when 12,7 mm from an old DShK flies into your silly head, and it was developed back in the forties, but this will not add to your health. But M-16 (oh excuse me, you changed this shit for another shit .... which is M14 ... if you seriously think that you are really "exceptional", it may well become a reality. These are not films in Hollywood to shoot about "great" America ..
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      2. Barmaley_2 Offline Barmaley_2
        Barmaley_2 (Barmaley) 23 October 2020 23: 44
        +1
        I'm sorry, but you are talking the most real nonsense, because the M16 and M14 are very good rifles. They are definitely not shit. You confuse their cost and certain shortcomings and do not want to see them and their strengths in any way. Trust me, a person who shot, had and has business with different weapons, that the m14 is a very worthy device in the hands of a pro. It is an order of magnitude more accurate already at medium distances compared to the ak74m (I had ak47, ak74m, aks74u in the army), it is easier and less recoil from it. I'm even home in In the end, I took the hunting option not ak, although I thought that the best option from akm, but m14. Because running around excrement, etc. more reliable ak, but for a more "cultural work" m14 I personally like it more. And not only me.
        1. tagil Offline tagil
          tagil (Sergei) 24 October 2020 15: 49
          0
          Believe me, I also quite often twisted and fired with different weapons, and the first time I picked up the M-16 at the age of 19, so I know what I'm talking about. But about the M-14 you are right, this is my joint, I meant the M-4 carbine and its various modifications. And about m-16. From your point of view, it can be good (but I don’t understand how it can be good besides weight), only any odor and barmale at any opportunity tried to get rid of this "humanitarian aid" on any Kalashnikov assault rifle, even made in China. Well, with her, no one would have gone into battle even under execution, and no one in their right mind would have demanded it.
    2. Oyo Sarkazmi Offline Oyo Sarkazmi
      Oyo Sarkazmi (Oyo Sarkazmi) 21 October 2020 20: 19
      +2
      Quote: John Hart
      the russian army on the basis of the ussr army

      and the American army is based on the army of the northerners of the civil times. And the southerners beat them in the tail and mane until the cartridges ran out. And until now, the Americans can only defeat the Papuans with a drekolya.
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    4. Astronaut Offline Astronaut
      Astronaut (San Sanych) 22 October 2020 00: 47
      -1
      And this is the elusive John, and why the elusive? Who needs him in FIG))
    5. sgrabik Offline sgrabik
      sgrabik (Sergei) 22 October 2020 07: 39
      0
      John Hart, don't get ridiculous nonsense, this is called wishful thinking and nothing more, you can sculpt this nonsense as much as you like, but nothing will change from this absolutely !!!
  10. Kuramori Reika Offline Kuramori Reika
    Kuramori Reika (Kuramori Reika) 21 October 2020 19: 51
    +2
    The problem is not in the quality of weapons, but in the low intelligence of the warriors, who are not far from their non-brothers with their minds. So they pay for their feeble mind with their own punishment.
  11. lahudra Offline lahudra
    lahudra (Nikolay Kondrashkin) 21 October 2020 20: 49
    -1
    Alas, anti-aircraft systems are inferior to modern UAVs. The effective raids on our base in Khmeimim have proven this time and again.
    1. rotkiv04 Online rotkiv04
      rotkiv04 (Victor) 21 October 2020 22: 02
      +1
      but tell us about effective raids, the main thing with the facts. just not from unwelcoming Western media
      1. lahudra Offline lahudra
        lahudra (Nikolay Kondrashkin) 21 October 2020 22: 13
        0
        New Year's raid on Khmeimim, when ours turned off electronic warfare, and drones blew up a warehouse with bombs and damaged four aircraft, there were also victims among the drunken personnel.
        1. rotkiv04 Online rotkiv04
          rotkiv04 (Victor) 22 October 2020 00: 09
          -2
          well, you yourself said that you turned off the electronic warfare, then it's not about technology, but about sloppiness
      2. John Hart Offline John Hart
        John Hart (John Hart) 22 October 2020 00: 00
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        Tell us about the effective reflections of how many UAVs of Turkey and Israel were shot down, but there are plenty of facts about the armor
        1. rotkiv04 Online rotkiv04
          rotkiv04 (Victor) 22 October 2020 00: 07
          -1
          where and how much, specifically? only facts concerning the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, and not the Arabs and various Armenians
  12. Morgan Offline Morgan
    Morgan (Miron) 21 October 2020 21: 06
    -4
    significantly reduced the prestige

    - was he? PR, yes, but there was no smell of prestige.
    1. sgrabik Offline sgrabik
      sgrabik (Sergei) 22 October 2020 08: 31
      0
      Well, if you think this is the case, then tell us about the prestige of the American Patriot air defense systems, that they drove a lot of missiles and drones, as they say, facts into the studio, or can you just blame exclusively Russian weapons without proof ???
  13. Dmitry D Offline Dmitry D
    Dmitry D (Dmitry Duyunov) 22 October 2020 00: 54
    0
    Everyone quickly fell silent about Libya ...
  14. Object.F7 Offline Object.F7
    Object.F7 (Object.F7 TV) 22 October 2020 01: 07
    +2
    The prestige of the Carapace was of course undermined, when the Turks announced the destruction of eight units, it turned out that there were only four of them in Idlib, of which only two were damaged, moreover, it was damaged, not destroyed. And how many bayraktars and anoks attacked, the authors of such "articles" never said a word, typical low-grade propaganda. In Syria / Libya, 35 attack drones destroyed account for half a dozen shells lost. We must also take into account the level of Arab calculations. Which of them are specialists was repeatedly tested in the Arab-Israeli wars
  15. boriz Offline boriz
    boriz (boriz) 22 October 2020 01: 46
    +1
    Here's something, the two warring parties, Greece and Turkey, do not remember about Patriot. The Turks are happy about the S-400 and want the S-500. And the Greeks, for God's sake, ask to modernize the S-300s in their arsenal, in order to bring them as close as possible to the S-400s received by Turkey.
    Probably stupid.
    Although, small and medium-sized drones are not the task of the S-300.
    And the Armenians, about not shot down drones, need to ask their masters, the United States. Was it in vain that they rode on the Maidan while Azerbaijan was engaged in its army?
    1. Tramp1812 Offline Tramp1812
      Tramp1812 (Tramp 1812) 22 October 2020 08: 26
      +3
      It is highly doubtful that Greece and Turkey would risk fighting Israel and the states. And so, for countries like Iran, Albania and the likes of Uganda, it will do. ...
    2. Natan bruk Offline Natan bruk
      Natan bruk (Natan Bruk) 22 October 2020 09: 12
      0
      Turkey has no Patriots simply because they did not want to sell them to them, Erdogan said clearly about this.
  16. ImPerts Offline ImPerts
    ImPerts (Igor) 22 October 2020 04: 35
    0
    Nails can be hammered in with a microscope, and according to the author, the presence of an opponent's air defense system should cause the engines to stall and the UAV's navigation systems to fail.
    1. sgrabik Offline sgrabik
      sgrabik (Sergei) 22 October 2020 07: 45
      0
      It can be seen that the author is not in the subject, writes under a Western propaganda carbon copy and the ukrop and liberal trolls are very active singing along with him here !!!
  17. Toha from KZ Offline Toha from KZ
    Toha from KZ (Anton) 22 October 2020 07: 48
    0
    Interestingly, this opus is customized? Or are you an uncle?
    1. Oyo Sarkazmi Offline Oyo Sarkazmi
      Oyo Sarkazmi (Oyo Sarkazmi) 22 October 2020 08: 52
      -1
      Not customized, but ideologically filtered.
  18. gorenina91 Offline gorenina91
    gorenina91 (Irina) 22 October 2020 10: 26
    +1
    -A gun that does not fire (Chekhov is not in business here); but just hanging on the wall ... sooner or later it will fall from the nail and the very owner of this gun and hit on the forehead ...
  19. Sergey Gordeev Offline Sergey Gordeev
    Sergey Gordeev (Sergey Gordeev) 22 October 2020 11: 03
    0
    For a whole year they tried to attack our base in Syria with drones, for sure specialists from Turks and Western countries participated in the consultations of the barmaley, and the idea itself is most likely Turks.
  20. Barmaley_2 Offline Barmaley_2
    Barmaley_2 (Barmaley) 22 October 2020 12: 17
    +2
    Well, finally, this bogey about a super-duper, but in fact, the advertised dung, began to subside. When I explained in a popular way why these air defense systems do not represent ANYTHING from themselves and are simply well advertised, then gentlemen. the patriots foaming at the mouth tried to prove that for another 150 years there is nothing better and will not be in the world than they are, and the Jews will be afraid to breathe, and not that they will fly where these systems are installed.
    1. 123 Online 123
      123 (123) 22 October 2020 23: 58
      -2
      Well, finally, this bogey about a super-duper, but in fact, the advertised dung, began to subside. When I explained in a popular way why these air defense systems do not represent ANYTHING from themselves and are simply well advertised, then gentlemen. the patriots foaming at the mouth tried to prove that for another 150 years there is nothing better and will not be in the world than they are, and the Jews will be afraid to breathe, and not that they will fly where these systems are installed.

      Why are you hitting the Americans' pride so cruelly? This is read inhuman laughing They say the Patriot sometimes gets into something winked
    2. Object.F7 Offline Object.F7
      Object.F7 (Object.F7 TV) 23 October 2020 06: 45
      -1
      US Naval Commander in Europe James Foggo praises the A2 / AD systems in the Black Sea region based on the s-400 and s-300, citing this approach as an example for countries like Romania. There are quotes for those who have not been banned from Google. Who is he anyway, upstart Foggo advertises dung. Another thing is a specialist and expertise barmaley_2 - he will explain to anyone what's what and open his eyes
      1. Barmaley_2 Offline Barmaley_2
        Barmaley_2 (Barmaley) 23 October 2020 23: 31
        -1
        yes, when I need resources for project development, consolidation, etc. or money for something new, I also often raise competitors an order of magnitude higher than their capabilities in order to throw at least part of what was requested. And I'm not a great specialist in air defense systems. But imagine that some people have and know how to use a simple human logic, have served here and there for more than one year and know how to read. And when you still know that such complexes as c300 to a screw were dismantled by a potential enemy and 20 years (or even more) ALL basic documentation HOW to resist these systems has been developed, manuals handed out even to homeless people, it’s somehow not very hard to believe that it’s such a serious thing now against air attack means. So next time you don’t take toilet paper to the toilet - you’ll wipe your own, not in dark sarcasm.
        1. Object.F7 Offline Object.F7
          Object.F7 (Object.F7 TV) 24 October 2020 09: 03
          +1
          The documentation was developed, the training manuals were distributed, the entire potential of the s-300 was brought down on paper, and in real conditions they are losing the f-16 from the s-200 air defense system. Such fighters of the paper forum front put themselves above the admiral of the US Navy.
          1. Barmaley_2 Offline Barmaley_2
            Barmaley_2 (Barmaley) 24 October 2020 11: 09
            0
            yeah, the barmalei from the Boers in Afghanistan also sometimes managed to shoot someone, and in the LPRP with the PTRD they still hammer (sometimes even successfully) some too. weapons that have already been fashioned in reality more than once and consider the lost one car for hundreds of combat missions a demonstration of irresistible power. Only for some reason, no one is afraid