Russia does not start wars - it ends them


Recently, a short post came across the network, which collected a huge heap of likes and the same number of approving comments. In short, the essence of it is as follows: Kamrad was already bothered by the question that the former Soviet republics, now independent states, have flared up along the perimeter of Russia lately. He believes that they are deliberately set on fire by those who want to destroy Russia. At the same time, the thought that Russia, looking at all this, maintains Olympic calmness, does not allow him to sleep peacefully. He would like to hope that "everything at the end - as the Great Combinator promised - will be taken into account by a mighty hurricane", but reality tells him the opposite - they spit on his head, which makes the author sad thoughts.


He offers a simple but radical way out of this situation. As the hero of yet another Soviet blockbuster Lelik said: “I will hit it painfully, but carefully!”, He also suggests hitting it hurts, but specifically. Those. to demonstrate to the West what it only understands. Namely - brute physical strength! Abruptly and irreversibly destroy one of the sources of fire. To destroy from the word "absolutely". At the same time, he does not propose to destroy people, he proposes to destroy command posts and infrastructure, i.e. what makes the state a state, driving the natives into the Stone Age in 10 minutes. Expensive, but angry! He ends with the words of Putin: "If a fight is inevitable, you must hit first!" To live with wolves - howl like a wolf!

The idea fell on fertile soil and was supported in the author's comments. Differences arose only at the point of application of force - some suggested limiting ourselves to vassals, while others immediately suggested hitting the decision-making centers, but everyone agreed that “it is necessary bring the cage to Moscow for all to see, so that the rest will be discouraged. " After that, peace and order will immediately reign in the world, for "everyone will be afraid so as not to become the second smeared, because villains respect only strength!" The measure, of course, is extreme, but they see no other way out. The community then moved on to compiling a list of goals. The fact that this is a direct path to the Third World War, the comrades somehow missed.

How do you solve the problem? In my opinion, it is too radical, but we must admit that this thought is wandering among our people. If we say that it is ripe, then this is nothing to say, it is actually already overripe. In this case, the Supreme is to blame, as always. Putin is loved for being very Putin and criticized for not being Putin enough. My readers also write to me about this, and even such thoughts sometimes creep in. Sometimes, but not in this particular case. Because there is a wrong assessment of what is happening here and now because of the erroneous goal-setting and the wrong assessment of the situation around our borders.

Fortress Besieged Syndrome


Here is what they write to me personally:

Serge Gulevsky: Vladimir, plus because my head is already splitting. They hang noodles on our ears, and we no longer have the strength to remove these noodles from our ears. On the one hand, the West itself is beginning to fall apart, but on the other, if you look at the former expanses of the USSR, then something is clearly brewing. All these disparate actions cannot happen by themselves. What I mean? Ukraine (B-52 strategists at our borders), Belarus, Karabakh, Kyrgyzstan, is it all by chance? Can this be? Maybe, but the chances are very slim. What then? This means that the West is still trying to shake the space around Russia. For what? This is clear. It would be incomprehensible if they did not. It all fits into the game of the West. They have both expanded NATO and continue to expand. As they shattered the foundations of the enemy, corrupting him, they continue to do so. Anything that leads to the collapse of the enemy from the inside should be welcomed by them. True or not, it doesn't matter. It is important whether it affects the opponent or not. Ukraine is stuffed with weapons, a garden scarecrow is made of dad, a fire is set on fire in Karabakh. It's the same in Kyrgyzstan. To ignite a fire under Russia's southern belly? Who will refuse? And Russia, like Ilya Muromets, sleeps. As if it doesn't concern us.


Volkonsky: Serge, dear, do not demonize the West once again, it is powerful, of course, but not almighty! You are trying to put together puzzles from different cubes. Belarus is one cube, Polish-Lithuanian with an American democratic flavor, Karabakh is another, Azerbaijani with Turkish (Baku is really trying to strengthen its negotiating position there by military means, and the Sultan has its own interest in this), Russia, by the way, is not a loser - once again make Pashinyan doubt whether he serves the masters, and if he is thrown off against the background of military defeats, then the Russian Federation will even be glad. And Kyrgyzstan has its own song - there the feudal clans share power, the Russian Federation is violet, because both of them walk near Moscow. The only thing I agree with is with Ukraine, we have already lost it.

Now the Kremlin is only interested in the cube with Navalny - it is deflated, and with SP-2 - it is on pause, Merkel is waiting on November 3. All the rules, do not worry! But presidential elections are coming soon in Tajikistan (October 11) and in Moldova (November 1). We are waiting for the fuss ...

At the time of this writing, the elections in Dushanbe had already passed, the incumbent President Emomali Rahmon was re-elected for a fifth term (his first one began in 1994). So far, everything is quiet. You see, someone cannot rule for 26 years, immediately Maidan and international censure, but someone can, and everyone is silent. More than 90% of those who came to the polls voted for Rakhmon, with a turnout of 89%. Old man and for 80% almost fell off the throne, but here 90% - and everything is exactly. East is a delicate matter!

But back to our rams. Once again, conversations about the Anaconda plan, as a method of slow, indirect and relatively bloodless strangulation of Russia through a set of measures, have been activated on the network. Part of which is the creation of a so-called "belt of instability" along the perimeter of the borders of the Russian Federation, involving a series of uncontrollable, sporadically emerging conflicts, revolutions and outbreaks of violence. With the sole task of forcing Russia to extinguish or minimize fires on its borders in order to maintain security and stability inside the country, diverting forces and resources to this, spending time, and possibly shedding blood.

I will not deny that such a plan really exists. Just don't try to put facts on the globe. Each of the above conflicts has its own nature, and their coincidence in time is nothing more than an accident.

Only the Belarusian crisis is related to this plan. And then, as the main executors, not the main forces of a potential adversary are involved, but the secondary ones related to the democratic camp of the hegemon, which now itself, look, will fall to pieces. We look forward to November 3, keep our fists for Donald Ibrahimovich and hope for the Maidan already at his place of registration in the North American United States, which is capable of destroying this Main Center for Decision Making from the inside. Although Trump is currently inferior to Sleeping Joe, he is not going to give up. It will be hot…

In Kyrgyzstan, an unplanned color revolution happened, exactly, after statements by some of the local aksakals that it would be nice to lean against the Russian Federation, at least in the form of a province, otherwise it was lifted up, they say, by hopelessness and poverty. They ran, forced, released someone from prison, put someone in it, then those who were initially released were again imprisoned, and those who were initially imprisoned were released again. Local flavor, so to speak. Tough Kirghiz, as best they can, fight boredom. Do not judge them harshly. The current president was replaced by the old president, the sum, as you know, does not change from the change in the places of the terms, only the names and clans have changed. The northerners, imprisoned for Afghan drug trafficking, were replaced by southerners, imprisoned for a local manufacturer (guess what exactly, but it grows in the Chui Valley). Both are our allies, although it is easier for us with the northerners. Everything is smooth here, there is nothing to worry about.

Armenians and Azerbaijanis had more fun and more brutal than naive Kirghiz. Drones, self-propelled guns, tanks, MLRS with aviation, and even OTRK on both sides were used. According to the laws of the genre, each side reported on its heroism and military successes, as well as defeats and monstrous losses of the enemy. Most likely, each of the parties to the conflict is coming to an end of its trump cards - UAVs and kamikaze drones near Azerbaijan, and a heavy ground technique near Armenia. Be that as it may, from the heels of Putin's telephone conversations with Pashinyan and a slightly smaller number of conversations with Aliyev, from which it can be concluded that between the KGB colonel and the son of the KGB general there is more understanding and fewer controversial issues than a person related to the organs, but close to us in faith. I will not discuss the role of Turkey in this conflict, although it exists and is visible to the naked eye. Here is who should be put in place, but the time, apparently, has not yet come. The war was fought to strengthen the negotiating position and Baku, it seems, has achieved its goal. The existing status quo will be revised taking into account the 2020 military campaign in favor of Baku. How it threatens Russia, we will talk below.

Donbass syndrome


If we consider the Azerbaijani-Armenian conflict from the point of view of geopolitics, then the conflict has no military resolution, the forces of the parties are approximately equal. Azerbaijan has an advantage in mobilization, logistics and escalation resources, not counting the advantage in military equipment and equipment. On the side of the Armenians, the only advantage is of a fortification nature (in the inaccessibility of mountain peaks) and in fighting spirit. But the motivation of Azerbaijanis is no less, the conflict has been going on for more than 100 years, the last 30 years in a hot phase with attenuation and exacerbation. The Russian Federation does not interfere, it waits for itself to burn out. Moscow has good relations with Baku, and it is bound by the CSTO treaty with Yerevan. But the war is taking place on the territory of Azerbaijan, and Moscow has no formal reasons for intervention. Yes, to be honest, and a great desire too. Complications caused by the military campaign are forcing Yerevan to move towards the Russian Federation, which also plays into the hands of the Kremlin. If, as a result of the military defeat, the Pashinyan government resigns, then Moscow will not cry too much. Others will come policy, more compliant and loyal to Moscow.

The danger lies elsewhere. Baku is setting a precedent. After all, de jure, he is waging a war on his territory. NKR was recognized as the territory of Azerbaijan by all parties to the conflict and the UN Security Council. The fact that Armenians have lived there for centuries (more than a thousand years, just think about this figure!) Does not bother anyone. And the fact that they voted to join Armenia, too. Baku acts in its own right. What interests Erdogan pursues there, we will not discuss now. Although he deserves to get his hands on for a long time. But, apparently, not this time (well, we have allies! With such friends, enemies are not necessary!).

And do not be confused by the fact that Moscow has seated the conflicting parties at the negotiating table and they even signed some kind of ceasefire agreement. There is no diplomatic victory here. This did not prevent Azerbaijan from occupying two more villages under the guise of negotiations and demonstratively posting it on the Internet. Real negotiations will become possible only when Baku achieves the tasks set for itself in this military campaign - the return of Azerbaijani territories that were previously lost in the 1992-94 campaigns, not belonging to the NKAR (the old name of the NKR), and a complete blockade of the NKR, after which it will be possible take already starvation. The Russian Federation did this itself in 2015, when, under the guise of Minsk negotiations, it completed the encirclement of the group of Ukrainian troops near Debaltseve, and after Poroshenko refused to admit this fact, gave the order to destroy it. The Debaltseve cauldron forced Poroshenko to sign Minsk-2, which, however, did not prevent him from subsequently ignoring its implementation. Well, that's already history. And tomorrow's story is happening right before our eyes in Karabakh. And the future of not only NKR, but also Donbass depends on how it is resolved.

Let's try to look at the situation through the eyes of our sworn "friends" from the land of evergreen tomatoes. Countries where people are already facing a real deadline for denying Russian aggression, and where from every iron the population is indoctrinated with the idea that Donbass will be either Ukrainian or deserted! How does Donbass differ from NKR in this case? And why can't Ukraine get it back by military means? And if the enlightened West coyly turns a blind eye to the actions of Baku, why should it react differently to similar actions of Kiev? After all, Donbass is the territory of Ukraine, which the Russian Federation has also repeatedly stated. And the fact that people there voted for a special status, up to joining the Russian Federation, does not bother anyone. We are looking at Karabakh. And why is Donbass better? And if a precedent is created, and everything goes to this, then expect an aggravation of the database in Donbass. And not some sluggish offensive by half a company of drunk special forces, but a general offensive along the entire front line, with the participation of aviation and MLRS. Why not? They have the right - we are looking at the NKR.

It is clear that this will be the last offensive in the life of this pseudo-state, which will end in its collapse. But is this part of the Kremlin's plans? And what is he going to do with the 30 million people who hate him? And the activation of the database in Donbass is no longer a question of place, but of time. Only the results of the elections in America, or rather the consequences that will follow, can change such a negative outcome. But whether it was necessary to put oneself in a situation of dependence on the elections in the United States is no longer a question for me. And I warned about such consequences! A fatal mistake was made in 2014, when Moscow did not remove this cancer in its embryo. Now that for 6 years has given such metastases that I do not even know what to do with them.

At the same time, I cannot but note one spicy feature of this conflict. Although everyone understands that Azerbaijan and Armenia are the opposing sides, in all the legal documents this is held as a confrontation between Azerbaijan and the NKR represented by the National Army of Azerbaijan and the Artsakh Defense Army (NKR, with which the Russian Federation has no agreements on collective security, therefore and a reason to interfere too).

In Donbass, the Armed Forces of Ukraine are also planning to fight not with the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation (although they say everywhere that they are fighting with Russia), but with the Armed Forces of the DPR and the People's Militia of the LPR represented by the 1st and 2nd Army Corps, equipped with equipment and specialists from the Russian Federation. This is a kind of legend, so as not to raise unnecessary questions from the enlightened West, which itself knows better than the Ukrainians themselves who they will have to fight with there, and in every possible way encourages them to do so. And he absolutely doesn't care that Ukraine is doomed to defeat in this war. The task of the West is different - to tie the RF on the short circuit, to de-energize it, to deprive it of resources, to exhaust it, and in the end to hang such a weight at its feet so that it has neither the strength nor the desire to influence the external circuit. And for this, all methods are good. If for this it is necessary to throw Ukraine into the furnace of war, then this is its fate! But for the UN Security Council, Ukraine is not at war with the Russian Federation, but is restoring its territorial integrity, fighting illegal gangs, something like ISIS or Al-Qaeda. And everything is sewn-covered, the legal mosquito of the nose will not undermine. Circuit break-in takes place right before your eyes in NKR. Do not forget that the West has case law. And the precedent is happening before your eyes.

Summary


Have you read it? What are the conclusions? And the conclusions are as follows (look at the title - "Russia does not start wars, it ends them!"): Nothing terrible for the Russian Federation has happened in principle, and everything that the first speaker called for (to fire at the enemies from all trunks!) Has no not the slightest sense. Once again, one can be glad that such comrades as Putin and Lavrov are at the head of our state, and while they are working, comrade. Shoigu can rest.

On the fact of our southern and western underbelly being scorched, I state the following facts:

1. We have already dealt with Belarus. Not cheap (after all, 1,5 billion in refinancing and 1 billion in government debt restructuring), but angrily - the regime of Europe's last dictator has resisted the trend towards rapprochement with the Russian Federation. The local opposition can fold the banners and prepare for March 17, 2024 (if it survives).

2. There were no problems with Kyrgyzstan from the very beginning. The current bek was replaced by the previous one. The external course remained unchanged.

3. With Armenia and Azerbaijan, everything is more complicated, but more interesting. In fact, the Russian Federation has only strengthened its position in the region. The friendly Aliyev regime defeated the unfriendly Pashinyan regime (although we inform everyone that in fact - a draw, friendship won, but this, you yourself understand, is a tactical move). If, as a result, the Pashinyan regime falls or stays down, but is forced to adjust foreign and domestic policies, we will only be glad. In connection with this fact, the role of the Sultan in these events is changing qualitatively. I do not know whether consciously or not, but with his aggressive rhetoric, he only contributed to such an outcome. Nobody will give Azerbaijan to him (no matter how much he trumpets about two countries - one people), but the fact that Armenia as a result is forced to drift towards the Russian Federation is a scientifically proven medical fact. And tell after that that the Sultan is not our ally. In this regard, I take back my words that it is necessary to give him a hand. We will always be in time with this.

Otherwise, everything is fine, we are waiting for the elections in Moldova and America.
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  1. steelmaker Offline steelmaker
    steelmaker 19 October 2020 15: 39
    -3
    How does Donbass differ from NKR in this case?

    Donbass became Ukrainian thanks to betrayal, just like Crimea! This is Russian Land !! Look at the map of Ukraine in 1654 - this is Ukraine! But the NKR, there in general ...... As long as they exist, they fight as much. Maybe that's why

    In the second half of the 1813th century, Nagorno-Karabakh with a predominantly Armenian population entered the Karabakh Khanate, and in XNUMX, as part of the Karabakh Khanate, according to the Gulistan Peace Treaty, into the Russian Empire

    Therefore, there is no need to compare Donbass and NKR if you are not an enemy of Russia.

    And tell after that that the Sultan is not our ally.

    And I will not even discuss this nonsense. Useless!
  2. Bakht Offline Bakht
    Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 19 October 2020 19: 27
    +1
    I wanted to comment, but the system thinks that my comment contains invalid expressions. I reread it three times and did not understand anything. What exactly is the violation of the site rules? But so be it. No comment is needed and God be with him. I wrote specifically about Nagorno-Karabakh. I do not agree with the author, but I cannot comment.
  3. Our atomic bombs will save Russia anyway! Nobody's poking around!
    1. kot711 Offline kot711
      kot711 (vov) 20 October 2020 11: 25
      -1
      At 91, did they help? There is no need for illusions, everyone and everything is being sold and sold (in modern Russia).
  4. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
    Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) 20 October 2020 01: 02
    -4
    Russia does not start wars

    This is not entirely true. More precisely, it is not at all true.
  5. Tramp1812 Offline Tramp1812
    Tramp1812 (Tramp 1812) 20 October 2020 05: 03
    0
    A very interesting publication. First of all, the fact that the author does not share the conspiracy theory of some single center of conspiracy against Russia. It's already good. Instead, he considers each conflict on the Russian borders in the context of the actions of specific interested parties. Nevertheless, this does not make it easier for the patient. Russia has to, in one way or another, respond to every geopolitical cell, both near its borders and far away. For example, in Libya and Syria. And then everywhere. And everything is interconnected: this or that answer, or its absence, for example, on the Armenian-Azerbaijani conflict will affect, one way or another, the solution of the Kurdish issue, the strengthening or weakening of Turkey. The author analyzes the situation in the style of L.N. Tolstoy, who divided the Battle of Borodino into many small battles. Since Karabakh is the hottest spot on the borders of the Russian Federation today, I will try to outline my own, purely subjective vision. Only on this issue. In a nutshell. The drift of Armenia towards the Russian Federation will not work, after its demonstrative flogging of Baku and non-intervention to prevent defeat. The fact that Pashinyan will leave is beyond doubt. Doubts are caused by the fact that after his departure, humiliated Armenia, for which no one stood up, will inflame with love for Moscow. This is the first thing. Second. In this situation, no matter how Baku declares its love for Belokamennaya, its
    the only strategic ally will essentially be Ankara, which has clearly defined its priorities in the conflict. Israel's position in Azerbaijan will strengthen in the Iranian direction. And every other political cell will change. Volens is unwilling, but we will have to decide: to help Armenia, or not? And finally, the third, the most basic point, which the author did not pay attention to at all. Economically, Russia will pull all this cart, or what? Considering, for example, that its defense budget is now $ 50 billion, and the "crumbling states" -700 billion, tiny Israel -20.5 billion. To, for example, hold a territory equal to Poland in size, by introducing troops there, the police alone will need 800 thousand people, and an army under a million. To feed and water the population, it does not matter annexed or occupied territory is also necessary. And at the same time his own country. And from the author, everything is very clear: I wanted to give it to Erdogan personally earlier - I did. Then he changed his mind: "let him live." But in order of controversy on the site: ok Gregory, excellent Constantine!
    1. Dear sofa expert. 25 October 2020 12: 32
      +3
      Economically, Russia will pull all this cart, or what? Considering, for example, that its defense budget is now $ 50 billion, and the "crumbling states" -700 billion, tiny Israel -20.5 billion.

      Do not mislead anyone, including yourself.
      The Russian defense budget is calculated primarily in rubles, not dollars. According to PPP, the ruble exchange rate within Russia against the dollar is about 6 times undervalued. So your $ 50 billion in Russia has an efficiency equal to $ 300 billion in the US itself (or in Israel).
      So your comparison is completely incorrect.

      In order, for example, to hold territory, say, in size equal to Poland, by introducing troops there, one police will need 800 thousand people

      Let's not talk about the obvious, and generously taken from the ceiling, stupidity in the amount of "800 thousand people", tell me at least, the territory of which particular state did you mean, comparing it in your example, with Poland?
      1. Tramp1812 Offline Tramp1812
        Tramp1812 (Tramp 1812) 25 October 2020 13: 51
        -1
        Quote: Dear couch expert.

        In order, for example, to hold territory, say, in size equal to Poland, by introducing troops there, one police will need 800 thousand people

        Let's not talk about the obvious, and generously taken from the ceiling, stupidity in the amount of "800 thousand people"

        I remember that in my personal correspondence I very easily explained and motivated the reasons for the absolute unwillingness to communicate with characters like you. Contact between the two civilizations is impossible. But when you, quoting me, openly question the reliable facts I am reporting, I am forced, overcoming certain reflexes, to answer you. Without checking the reliability of the sources cited by me, you generously weigh in my address:

        Let's not talk about the obvious and generously taken from the ceiling by you stupidity ...

        Answer.
        From the most authoritative political observer in the Russian Federation - Rostislav Vladimirovich Ishchenko. But where did you get the habit of conducting the discussion from openly unsubstantiated and offensive positions, it is absolutely clear to me.

        https://www.google.com

        I ask you again and earnestly to relieve me of communicating with you.

        And he walked away pulling on a white panama ...
        1. Dear sofa expert. 25 October 2020 16: 43
          +3
          I remember that in personal correspondence I very easily explained and motivated the reasons for the absolute reluctance to communicate with characters like you.

          Again lies.) You and I did not have "personal correspondence".
          To express my opinion on your "competent writing", I don't really need your desire.
          Would you like to read here a refutation of the heresy that you are breeding here? You can leave this site. No one is holding anyone here by force.
          1. Tramp1812 Offline Tramp1812
            Tramp1812 (Tramp 1812) 25 October 2020 21: 05
            -1
            Quote: Dear couch expert.
            I remember that in personal correspondence I very easily explained and motivated the reasons for the absolute reluctance to communicate with characters like you.

            Again lies.) You and I did not have "personal correspondence".
            To express my opinion on your "competent writing", I don't really need your desire.
            Would you like to read here a refutation of the heresy that you are breeding here? You can leave this site. No one is holding anyone here by force.

            Ah, so I wrote it not to you, but to you like a character. Therefore, I have the right to answer you reasonably. To begin with, a quote from J. Hasek "The Unusual Adventures of the Soldier Schweik". There the dream is described by the cadet Bigler. He dreamed that he died and went to heaven. And Captain Sagner turned out to be God. Quote from Sagner:

            So you don't want to shut up?

            Well. Let's apply to you the catchphrase of the Great Kutuzov to the Emperor Napoleon, whom he decided to dip with his nose into a certain substance.
            So, you, not me, wrote "about the stupidity that I took from the ceiling, indicating that Russia will need 800 thousand police officers and over a million soldiers to occupy a country about the size of Poland.

            I correctly refuted your argument with a link. I did not receive any answer on it, except for the psycho-emotional statement that you will continue to "refute my heresy.

            Refute, I gave the source and link. Otherwise, you are just a chatterbox, not responsible for your words. And a liar, too.
            Further, even more interesting. You declare that the ruble is undervalued against the dollar

            at least more than six times. Least. And the defense budget of the Russian Federation is $ 300 million.

            Congenial! Especially against the backdrop of the fall of the ruble against the dollar.
            Naturally, as always, no links, regular curses and insults. Well, who studied what. Let's figure it out. So, in your words, the defense budget of the Russian Federation is $ 300 million. This is about 25% of Russia's GDP. But. The budget of the Russian Federation, the so-called "airplane", contains all items of expenditure and income and their percentage to the budget as a whole. Bring me if you can. Prove your truth correctly, without disrespecting your opponent. Forward "per aspera ad astra".
            Here I will give it now. Official data on the defense budget of Russia is not 25%, as citing the classic of all dreamers

            nonsense generously taken from the ceiling

            - and .... 4.5%, which is a penny to a penny coincides with the data given by me about 50 billion dollars. So it is you, as you say, "you are carrying heresy." Where did you study ? Link to the studio! I do not like this link, their mass, I will report to you. These figures are presented every year. It's a shame not to know. However, the young man "all suits!"
            1. Dear sofa expert. 25 October 2020 21: 31
              +3
              to occupy a country roughly the size of Poland.

              I correctly refuted your argument with a link. I did not receive any answer for it

              Let's start with that, and finish with the same: your link did not open)

              Refute, I gave the source and link. Otherwise, you are just a chatterbox, not responsible for your words.

              You are the talker and the liar.
              I quite adequately asked you to voice the country "the size of Poland", which you had in mind, but apart from a psycho-emotional reaction, you did not follow.)
              And the further depended on this, by the way.
              Purely hypothetically, for example: this country is Ukraine. And Ukraine is 70% of ethnic Russians who sympathize with their compatriots. Well, why, tell me, bring a military contingent into such a country when there are enough forces on the spot ready to help? These 800 thousand of yours are already there. Object if I'm wrong!)

              You declare that the ruble is undervalued against the dollar "at least more than six times. At least. And the defense budget of the Russian Federation is equal to 300 million dollars."

              Yes. Plus / minus.

              Bring me if you can. Prove your truth correctly, without disrespecting your opponent.

              Yes please:

              for 1000 € (76 t / rub.) per month, a (average) family of three can live well in Russia. Try to object!
              An average family of three in the United States needs about $ 6000 to live the same month
              Try to argue!

              I hope I didn't disrespect your sensitive person?)

              Where did you study ?

              Throw me in a personal your soap, preferably with copies of your diplomas. then I will report to you mine. Is it quite acceptable in my opinion?)

              I do not like this link, their mass, I will report to you. These figures are presented every year. It's a shame not to know.

              Weak. Populism.

              1. Tramp1812 Offline Tramp1812
                Tramp1812 (Tramp 1812) 25 October 2020 22: 08
                -2
                You are blown away slowly, which is typical for a demogog and a person who is not responsible for his words. The link you say does not open? And it opens up for me. By the way, I didn't write a word about Ukraine. What makes you think that we are talking about Ukraine, if the link does not open. And on this basis, you, as a true liar, want to jump off. Will not work. Here is the text of the article, copied.

                Russia just doesn't have enough people to put things in order in Ukraine - opinion
                Ukraine will have to build a completely new vertical, but Russia simply does not have enough people to do this, Rostislav Ishchenko, a columnist for the Rossiya Segodnya news agency, said in an interview with Ukraina.ru on July 9.

                Ishchenko said that Ukraine every day gives reasons for an invasion, but Moscow will not do this, because it is "expensive and impractical."

                According to Rostislav Ishchenko, it will not be difficult for the Russian army to deal with the Ukrainian army, but after that it will have to go to "all of Ukraine and put things in order there." It will be necessary to restore order in a country in which many people went through the ATO and brought weapons from the conflict zone.

                “There are a huge number of just wild people with weapons. Almost half a million went through the ATO. Now they walk around the cities and villages of Ukraine and just scatter grenades. I didn’t like the service in the restaurant - I threw a grenade, I didn’t like the minibus - I threw a grenade. Somewhere someone was shot, and so on, "- said the columnist" Russia Today ".

                To put things in order in this territory, it will be necessary to build a new administrative structure not from Ukrainians. Russia simply does not have such a number of people. According to Ishchenko, this will require 2 million people. China may have that many people, but not Russia; it will take years to restore order there, Ishchenko said.

                https://rossaprimavera.ru/news/730bdb6a

                This is the first thing. Second. I have given you the official data on the defense budget of the Russian Federation. In response, another portion of the stream of consciousness. You suggest that I lower myself to your level of a chatterbox demagogue and a liar, discussing who will eat more sausage, instead of looking at the official statistics on the defense budget of the Russian Federation. You claim that 25% of Russia's GDP is spent on defense, and I say that this is a blatant lie.
                About 80% of the Russian sympathizers in Ukraine, please link. Or is it again, the very place where you get your knowledge? I am not going to discuss Ukraine at all. This is Slavic affairs inside. I consider it unethical to give my assessment. Therefore, he gave a link without naming the country, in relation to the same territory. In addition, you are flooding my comment on the merits of the publication. And not a word to the point.
                1. Dear sofa expert. 25 October 2020 22: 46
                  +2
                  What makes you think that we are talking about Ukraine, if the link does not open.

                  I just have an idea of ​​the size of the territories. It could be compared with the primitive course of your thoughts.) That is, with an example, I hit the mark.

                  According to Rostislav Ischenko

                  This is just the opinion of Rostislav Ishchenko.)

                  It will be necessary to restore order in a country where many people went through the ATO and brought weapons from the conflict zone with them.

                  - Yes Yes. passed the "cauldrons", and will remember them for life. For the interests of the country, which essentially betrayed them, and even against Russia, these people certainly will no longer want to fight.

                  You claim that 25% of Russia's GDP goes to defense.

                  I said this?)) 25% of what ?? from GDP? what does GDP have to do with it?
                  And what 25%? Are you delusional along the way, man?)
                  Where did you study at all?)
                  And by the way .. did not see anything on a personal from you. That is, they just blurted it out?
                  Although I did not expect anything different from you.)

                  Was it not with you I argued about the gefilte fish then? )). Hebrew))))

                  About 80% of the Russian sympathizers in Ukraine, please link.

                  "80% sympathizers"? What are you, comrade? Where do you even get the numbers ??? Do you see double in your eyes? Or are you always prone to paranoid "rounding"?

                  And one more thing:

                  I ask you again and earnestly to relieve me of communicating with you.
                  And he walked away pulling on a white panama ...

                  Panama was not found, chatterbox?)
                  1. Tramp1812 Offline Tramp1812
                    Tramp1812 (Tramp 1812) 25 October 2020 23: 07
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                    300 million - the defense budget of the Russian Federation. Did Pushkin say this, or did you? Now estimate $ 300 million to Russia's GDP: $ 1 trillion. 250 billion And calculate the percentage that you named. In ignorance ?!
                    1. Dear sofa expert. 25 October 2020 23: 28
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                      300 million - the defense budget of the Russian Federation. Did Pushkin say this, or did you?

                      - I said, literally:

                      According to PPP, the ruble exchange rate within Russia against the dollar is undervalued by about 6 times. So your $ 50 billion in Russia has an efficiency equal to $ 300 billion in the US itself (or in Israel).

                      Are you having trouble understanding what you've written?)

                      $ 50 billion of the real Russian military budget, HAVE an EFFICIENCY (in terms of PPP) equal to $ 300 billion in the USA itself.

                      Is it so difficult for your super brain?) By the way, I often meet with such, communicating with "your brother" (immigrants from the Square).

                      Russia's GDP: 1 trillion. 250 billion

                      I repeat the question. What does the GDP have to do with it ???

                      You probably wanted to keep in mind the Russian budget? After all, it is from the budget that defense costs are charged. But you are a "scientist", and probably just confused.))
                      1. Tramp1812 Offline Tramp1812
                        Tramp1812 (Tramp 1812) 26 October 2020 00: 16
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                        Well, if you do not know about the relationship between the budget and the GDP and believe that the money for the budget comes from the nightstand, and not from the GDP, then who is your doctor? Now, once again, according to your thoughts - your horses.
                        1. You groundlessly accused me of lying, declaring with a mass of insults and flooding that there is no such figure of 800 thousand policemen and more than 1 million soldiers for the occupation of a country equal in size to Poland. I gave you a link where I got this data. You have this link, of course, "did not open", in connection with which you proposed to stop this discussion. I gave you the text of the article. Your reaction: "This is just the opinion of Ishchenko." Stop! It was about the fact that I lied and there is no such data. Then the usual swearing, demagoguery, etc. Now you admit that there was no ceiling, but you do not agree (though not arguing, but it does not matter) with the link. So who is the demagogue and the deceiving liar? I did not come up with the data, but gave a link in confirmation.
                        2. About the share of the military budget of the Russian Federation in the total budget, taking into account GDP. This is generally the height of illiteracy and demagoguery. The statistics are open, I brought them to you. But you, contrary to all the official Russian, by the way, statistical data claim that $ 50 billion is actually $ 300 billion. Question: where is the link confirming your premise that the dollar is overvalued against the ruble by six or more times? Where is the link that, taking into account your thoughts, the military budget of the Russian Federation is 300 billion dollars, which is 25% of all the country's revenues !!!! No country in the world has such indicators. And it can't be. But you have. Leaving the next click on the nose, you start spinning and thinking who, how much and where eats. This turns out to be the measure of military spending. Then again sticking out the tongue, teasing. Just like in kindergarten. Plus flood. An old Odessa song comes to mind:
                        "Sonya, Sonya, do not twist your back, this is not a propeller, they tell you ..." And you, assigning the functions of the supreme arbiter, declare that your only purpose on this sinful earth is to expose "the heresy that I bear. But the whole question is that heresy, moreover, documented exposed, is carried by you. With a 300 billion military budget, which never existed. With an artificially inflated, "at least six times" dollar, with denial of the data of a leading political observer ....
                      2. isofat Online isofat
                        isofat (isofat) 26 October 2020 00: 45
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                        Quote: Rogue1812
                        ... if you think that money for the budget comes from the bedside table, and not from the GDP, who is your doctor?

                        GDP is a macroeconomic indicator ...

                        Money is a universal commodity equivalent, which ...

                        PS smile
                      3. Dear sofa expert. 26 October 2020 01: 04
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                        Strange, it always seemed to me that Jews are smarter)
                      4. Tramp1812 Offline Tramp1812
                        Tramp1812 (Tramp 1812) 26 October 2020 01: 20
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                        Quote: Dear couch expert.
                        Strange, it always seemed to me that Jews are smarter)

                        If against your background, then certainly.)
  • _AMUHb_ Offline _AMUHb_
    _AMUHb_ (_AMUHb_) 21 October 2020 21: 26
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    ... "and for the rest everything is good, everything is good!" ...
  • Semyon Sukhov Offline Semyon Sukhov
    Semyon Sukhov (Semyon Sukhov) 22 October 2020 19: 55
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    The fact that this is a direct path to the Third World War, the comrades somehow missed.

    Vladimir Vladimirovich himself said: "Why do we need a world in which there is no Russia?" And the matter is moving towards this slowly but surely. If Shoigu rests, then soon Russia will be beyond the Urals ... on a reservation where tourists will be taken to hunt. The sooner Russia starts to fight back, the less likely a grandiose kipish will come. And the SP-2 and the Millerovskaya gang are hindering Russia with the adoption of tough measures ... Because of this, the geopolitical losses received during the construction of the SP-2 exceed all possible income from its commissioning. (would have done Ukraine in 2014 - would not have to fence a garden)

    About cubes ... Of course, this is not a single plan - you would be tortured to make up ... This is a simple use of calendar events to your advantage, so the ears of the State Department or their lackeys stick out in each case. So you can pull them on the globe or not, the consequences of these events in Russia are in a big minus ...

    "Donbass syndrome" - here the author has a complete cognitive dissonance ...
    The only sober phrase

    A fatal mistake was made in 2014, when Moscow did not remove this cancer in its embryo.

    - in 2014, only the lazy did not write about this ...

    If you choose shame instead of war, you will get both shame and war.

    ... Putin himself provoked the Donbass, pretending to be ready to send troops to Ukraine, and then shamefully jumped into the bushes ...

    We have already dealt with Belarus.

    - something is not noticeable. Taking the money, Batska again sends signals of multi-vector to the West, flirts with the opposition, declares that if the people “decide”, then Belarus can join NATO ... ...

    With Armenia and Azerbaijan, everything is more complicated, but more interesting. In fact, the Russian Federation has only strengthened its position in the region.

    - a very controversial statement. After the seizure of Karabakh, and it is inevitable due to all the objective and unfavorable circumstances for Karabakh, Ali Pasha may well take the country to NATO in order to secure the victory. It is not by chance that he stuttered about it, otherwise he would have got ears from a dead donkey, not Karabakh ... "The East is a delicate matter." Its benevolence to Turkey - a NATO country, and NATO itself, will have quite tangible consequences for Russia in the Caspian Sea in the form of the NATO fleet in sight of Astrakhan :(.