"Our region has not yet turned into a calm Switzerland": Israel against the sale of F-35 fighters to Qatar


Between Washington and Tel Aviv there is agreement, which prohibits the United States from selling weapons in the Greater Middle East without Israel's consent. Therefore, it is not surprising that on October 11, 2020, Israeli Minister of Intelligence and Atomic Energy Eli Cohen said on the air of a military-themed radio station that the government would be against the sale of American F-35s to Qatar in any form, writes the Arab News newspaper from Saudi Arabia.


Cohen said, when asked about Doha's request to acquire the F-35 from Washington, maintaining Israel's military superiority in the region is paramount. He answered bluntly: Israel is against the sale of 5th generation fighters to Qatar.

Our security and military superiority in the region are the most important things for us. Our region has not yet turned into a calm Switzerland

Cohen explained.

Note that Qatar's request followed after the United States and the United Arab Emirates agreed on a contract for the F-35. However, this was preceded by the conclusion of agreements on the normalization of relations between Israel, the UAE and Bahrain, which were signed in front of the White House in Washington.

Qatar has tremendous influence in the Gaza Strip, which is critical to Israel's security. At the same time, despite the numerous contacts and negotiations between Israel and the United States with Doha, the Qatari leadership believes that normalization of relations with Israel will be possible only after the Palestinian issue is resolved.
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  1. passing by Offline passing by
    passing by (passing by) 11 October 2020 19: 27
    +1
    just two world wars and millions of victims were required to create Israel for the American Zionists. how much more blood must be shed to completely remove all competitors?
    1. Binder Offline Binder
      Binder (Miron) 11 October 2020 21: 47
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      Come on by, uncle, not your topic. And Qatar, in the current situation, cannot see the F-35 as its ears, maybe the Qataris will buy the Su-57 out of grief? laughing laughing laughing
    2. Dmitry S. Offline Dmitry S.
      Dmitry S. (Dmitry Sanin) 12 October 2020 13: 43
      +2
      About millions of victims - look at the real numbers. "Less than 6 million - do not offer!" - there was such a slogan. The real victims of the Holocaust cannot be disputed in many countries. Unfortunately. Even in Russia it is punishable. If there is a desire to write a truthful article and get a 5-year suspended sentence with a ban on teaching, then I can give links to REAL PEOPLE AND REAL FACTS.
      1. passing by Offline passing by
        passing by (passing by) 12 October 2020 15: 29
        +1
        I know. these resources are gradually being cleaned out.
  2. Tramp1812 Offline Tramp1812
    Tramp1812 (Tramp 1812) 11 October 2020 20: 05
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    Quote: passing by
    just two world wars and millions of victims were required to create Israel for the American Zionists. how much more blood must be shed to completely remove all competitors?

    If you mean Jewish blood, then it was shed immeasurably over 2000 years of Galut. Moreover, Hitler's Germany destroyed 6 million Jews in Europe on a national basis. Last year alone, the world's Jewish population reached its pre-war level of 14.5 million. Besides, you are not in the subject. American Jews were certainly sympathetic to the creation of Israel. But not they stood at its origins, but exclusively the Jews of Eastern Europe. Which was financially supported by Baron Edmond Rothschild. There is not a single American Jew among the founding fathers of Israel. Israel's concern for its security is understandable. Especially considering the tiny territory and the aggravation of the situation in the explosive Middle East region.
    1. passing by Offline passing by
      passing by (passing by) 12 October 2020 06: 33
      +2
      what a beautiful tale about good Jews and a cruel, unjust world. Che is cold in Birobidzhan, they were not allowed to enter the Crimea, and in Palestine, although there was no sand and space, it was possible to bleed the Arabs? Well, it's not just that they drive you everywhere for millennia ...
  3. Tramp1812 Offline Tramp1812
    Tramp1812 (Tramp 1812) 12 October 2020 08: 22
    +1
    Quote: passing by
    what a beautiful tale about good Jews and a cruel, unjust world. Che is cold in Birobidzhan, they were not allowed to enter the Crimea, and in Palestine, although there was no sand and space, it was possible to bleed the Arabs? Well, it's not just that they drive you everywhere for millennia ...

    Very emotional, but unsubstantiated. About the fairy tale "about good Jews and an unjust world." First of all, Jews were not driven around the world, but exclusively in Europe. And even then - partially. The persecution was carried out not on ethnic grounds, but on religious grounds. Any Jew adopting Christianity was not persecuted. Likewise with Islam. Nothing new . Similarly, Catholics persecuted Protestants, and Protestants were Catholics, in Orthodoxy there was a similar conflict with the Old Believers. In Yugoslavia, Croatian Catholics massacred relatives - Orthodox Serbs. There is a similar conflict between Sunnis and Shiites. Countries that persecuted Jews paid dearly for this. The decline of Spain began after the expulsion of the Jews in 1492. Sultan of the Ottoman Empire Bayazet Lightning fast called the initiators of the exile - Queen Isabella and King Ferdinand - inadequate people who lost the best part of society. And he accepted all the Jews. King Juan Carlos, in our day, having apologized to the Jewish people and restored citizenship to their descendants, acknowledged the collapse of his country due to exile. Similarly, Germany received the full after WWII. The Pope in a special bull, on behalf of Christians, apologized to Jews for the persecution. Said:

    "The indelible sin of Cain lies on us because we did not see in the Jews all the beauty of our brothers!"

    Arabs did not live in Palestine at the time of the return of the Jews to their homeland. Read the report of the papal envoy Berlandi in 1694, the book of M. Twain "Simpletons Abroad". The Arabs followed the Jews to Palestine because the Jews created jobs, and they were driven out of Turkey by the Young Turks. The slogan of the Zionists of those times was: "To a people without land - a land without a people!" And the most important thing. You yourself say that you used to be persecuted. Now this is not even close. Zionism solved the Jewish question. And the Emir of Transjordan, Abdullah, generally believed that the Jews were scattered throughout the world of Bd in order to gain knowledge, return and bring light to the peoples of BV. Now they are standing in line to improve relations with Israel: from Sudan to Kuwait. Did not know ? You are blinded by hatred and held captive by prejudice. Your eyes are wide shut. It's the 21st century, and you have all the fires of the Inquisition on your agenda.
    1. passing by Offline passing by
      passing by (passing by) 12 October 2020 08: 44
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      Well, absolutely exclusivity smelled ... Something that Russia withered when all sorts of kaganovichs came to power ... fairy tales continue. if not for Hitler, the Jews from Europe would not have gone to plant potatoes in the sand.
  4. Alexzn Offline Alexzn
    Alexzn (Alexander) 12 October 2020 09: 22
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    Quote: Rogue1812
    Quote: passing by
    what a beautiful tale about good Jews and a cruel, unjust world. Che is cold in Birobidzhan, they were not allowed to enter the Crimea, and in Palestine, although there was no sand and space, it was possible to bleed the Arabs? Well, it's not just that they drive you everywhere for millennia ...

    Very emotional, but unsubstantiated. About the fairy tale "about good Jews and an unjust world." First of all, Jews were not driven around the world, but exclusively in Europe. And even then - partially. The persecution was carried out not on ethnic grounds, but on religious grounds. Any Jew adopting Christianity was not persecuted. Likewise with Islam. Nothing new . Similarly, Catholics persecuted Protestants, and Protestants were Catholics, in Orthodoxy there was a similar conflict with the Old Believers. In Yugoslavia, Croatian Catholics massacred relatives - Orthodox Serbs. There is a similar conflict between Sunnis and Shiites. Countries that persecuted Jews paid dearly for this. The decline of Spain began after the expulsion of the Jews in 1492. Sultan of the Ottoman Empire Bayazet Lightning fast called the initiators of the exile - Queen Isabella and King Ferdinand - inadequate people who lost the best part of society. And he accepted all the Jews. King Juan Carlos, in our day, having apologized to the Jewish people and restored citizenship to their descendants, acknowledged the collapse of his country due to exile. Similarly, Germany received the full after WWII. The Pope in a special bull, on behalf of Christians, apologized to Jews for the persecution. Said: "The indelible sin of Cain lies with us for not seeing in the Jews all the beauty of our brothers!" Arabs did not live in Palestine at the time of the return of the Jews to their homeland. Read the report of the papal envoy Berlandi in 1694, the book of M. Twain "Simpletons Abroad". The Arabs came to Palestine after the Jews, because the Jews created jobs, and they were driven out of Turkey by the Young Turks. The slogan of the Zionists of those times was: "To a people without land - a land without a people!" And the most important thing. You yourself say that you used to be persecuted. Now this is not even close. Zionism solved the Jewish question. And the Emir of Transjordan, Abdullah, generally believed that the Jews were scattered throughout the world of Bd in order to gain knowledge, return and bring light to the peoples of BV. Now they are standing in line to improve relations with Israel: from Sudan to Kuwait. Did not know ? You are blinded by hatred and held captive by prejudice. Your eyes are wide shut. It's the 21st century, and you have all the fires of the Inquisition on your agenda.

    That is why you, in an academic style, are trying to conduct a dialogue with outright anti-Semites? Are you hoping for a positive outcome?
    1. passing by Offline passing by
      passing by (passing by) 12 October 2020 09: 48
      +1
      the Palestinians are also Semites, but no one writes on the fences, beat the Palestinians .. so another megalomania ... The USSR lost tens of millions of people in World War II, but Germany does not pay benefits like Jews for the Holocaust. and the Slavs, Gypsies and others died with the Jews on equal terms in concentration camps.
      1. Tramp1812 Offline Tramp1812
        Tramp1812 (Tramp 1812) 12 October 2020 10: 19
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        Quote: passing by
        the Palestinians are also Semites, but no one writes on the fences, beat the Palestinians .. so another megalomania ... The USSR lost tens of millions of people in World War II, but Germany does not pay benefits like Jews for the Holocaust. and the Slavs, Gypsies and others died with the Jews on equal terms in concentration camps.

        And again a deuce! Well, okay - Israel. As I understand it, you are not interested in either the history of the Jews or the history of Israel. And you don't need to. But the latest history of the country where you live - Russia, you need to know. Soviet Russia emerged from the First World War by no means a winner, alas. Plus civil war, typhus, famine, devastation. Read "Cursed Days" by Bunin, Paustovsky, Bulgakov. The Russian intelligentsia was killed or emigrated. A significant part of the naive Jews, instead of following the Zionists and even then to revive the greatness of their historical homeland, undertook to build a new world in Russia. 80% of the government after the October Revolution is Jews. In the shortest possible time, under their leadership, the greatness of Russia and its Army was revived. And then Comrade. Stalin repressed all these enthusiasts. And he drove the country into a dead end, from which it only began to emerge after the 90th year. And they haven't written anything on the fences for a long time. Fraught.
        1. passing by Offline passing by
          passing by (passing by) 12 October 2020 10: 39
          +4
          the population of Russia thinks exactly the opposite. Stalin pulled the country out of the ass into which it was driven and restored the plundered gold reserves. And the Jew of the Germans probably began to pull out of the dead end?))) Oh, and will another manipulation of facts come out to you sideways))) or strive for the next great resettlement after the next Holocaust to which actions of people like you will lead?
        2. Rashid116 Offline Rashid116
          Rashid116 (Rashid) 13 October 2020 11: 33
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          A Jew and not to distort)))) Here you don't need to know ancient or any other history. You just need to look around and remember what you saw with your own eyes. Well, at least the 90s are one hundred percent of the Jews staged. I'm from 90- x and began to move, the city is small 500 thousand, we all know each other more or less who are more active. Some of them were thrown out specifically for Jewishness. They would scatter a sucker and run. With the Chechens they stirred up about the ransom of hostages, I generally think this is their scheme. The shepherds do not have enough intelligence and impudence. And these are not the homeland, not the flag and the handwriting is felt. I advise everyone to think a hundred times before stirring up something with them. These are people without honor and conscience, they will crawl under your skin, but then they will very much surprise))).
          1. Tramp1812 Offline Tramp1812
            Tramp1812 (Tramp 1812) 13 October 2020 17: 39
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            Quote: Rashid116
            A Jew and not to distort)))) Here you don't need to know ancient or any other history. You just need to look around and remember what you saw with your own eyes. Well, at least the 90s are one hundred percent of the Jews staged. I'm from 90- x and began to move, the city is small 500 thousand, we all know each other more or less who are more active. Some of them were thrown out specifically for Jewishness. They would scatter a sucker and run. With the Chechens they stirred up about the ransom of hostages, I generally think this is their scheme. The shepherds do not have enough intelligence and impudence. And these are not the homeland, not the flag and the handwriting is felt. I advise everyone to think a hundred times before stirring up something with them. These are people without honor and conscience, they will crawl under your skin, but then they will very much surprise))).

            Let's start with, and who are the Tatars? Huh, Rashid? There was such a tribe, extinct in the 12th century AD. In Mongolia. Azerbaijanis and Crimeans and Siberians were also called Tatras ... Who, not for a moment, are not Tatars. Tatars of Kazan are Bulgars. Some went south and became Slavicized (Bulgarians), some completely rejected Islam and preserved the Orthodox faith - the Kryashens. What are you, Rashid? Further. Some kind of personal experience. It is not entirely correct to extend your dislike of Jews to the entire Jewish people. Somewhere, they darned you, somewhere you. Well, where does the Jews? Don't yawn - in a market economy, this is the main thing. And nothing personal. Outside of nationality. I knew the Tatars. From my university youth. Everyone I knew are the most reliable comrades. The noblest people. Somehow I had a chance to defend my Jewish dignity with my fists. So a friend, at the feasts, Rashid, by the way, got in right there. Despite the superior forces of the Turks. Respect, and the ladies are beautiful. Is that in Uzbekistan, more liberated than even the Europeans. Well, maybe you had a negative experience with individual Jews. I admit: why not? But sowing hatred for Israel, the entire Jewish people, is unproductive. I'm not even talking about the fact that Israel is one of the most successful states on the planet.
            1. isofat Offline isofat
              isofat (isofat) 13 October 2020 17: 58
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              Quote: Rogue1812
              Let's start with who the Tatars are?

              Tramp1812, better start with what you Zionist and live on Ukraine.

              PS... I am listening really carefully. smile
              1. Tramp1812 Offline Tramp1812
                Tramp1812 (Tramp 1812) 13 October 2020 23: 21
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                To begin with, I am an Israeli citizen and live in the hero city of Netanya. And today I speak Hebrew, not as much as Russian, but at a more than sufficient level. This, by the way, is my sixth language.
                What you read in your profile is outdated information. Look where I am posting from, see for yourself.
                1. isofat Offline isofat
                  isofat (isofat) 14 October 2020 00: 13
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                  Tramp1812... Less than four years since you left Ukraine and became a Zionist? How then can you believe? smile

                  PS... Are you ashamed to say that you lied about Ukraine when you registered?
                  1. Tramp1812 Offline Tramp1812
                    Tramp1812 (Tramp 1812) 14 October 2020 00: 59
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                    Quote: isofat
                    Tramp1812... Less than four years since you left Ukraine and became a Zionist? How then can you believe? smile

                    PS... Are you ashamed to say that you lied about Ukraine when you registered?

                    When he was registered - he lived in Ukraine, where is the lie? Well, pick up the words. Reeks of rudeness, you know. This concludes the conversation about my biographical data and your other Freudian investigations. Don't be complex. And he was always a Zionist, from a young age, one might say. In principle, I did not join the party, and as a Jew I was not invited. And since the mid-80s, it was no longer necessary. I have never spoken about Ukrainian-Russian relations and never intend to. This is your intra-Slavic showdown. I don’t go to a single thread about Ukraine at all. Fundamentally. About Jews, Israel, anti-Semites - as much as you like. Favorite topic. I especially like to communicate with people like you. People who are mentally emotional and illiterate. Absolutely. I feel taller and wider at the shoulders.)
                    1. isofat Offline isofat
                      isofat (isofat) 14 October 2020 01: 13
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                      Quote: Rogue1812
                      And he was always a Zionist, from a young age, one might say. In principle, I did not join the party, and I, as a Jew, were not invited.

                      Tramp1812, take it easy... And tell me: How many more Zionists are left in Ukraine?

                      PS. They tried not to take Zionists into the CPSU. You don't know that. smile
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                  1. Rashid116 Offline Rashid116
                    Rashid116 (Rashid) 14 October 2020 08: 01
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                    I know several Ukrainians, the city we have is a Komsomol construction project. We have collected the most ambitious and active from the whole union. From my observations, they do not have that resentment against everyone and everything like Jews. And our local Ukrainians act openly like everyone else. These same They always stir up something, betray and substitute. Doesn't remind me of anything? And to me, so how. That Israel, that Ukraine always moves like this. Some kind of unhealthy symbiosis drew them. But Ukrainians think that they will benefit. And in the end They already have a Jewish president)) Jews will have our lop-eared neighbors and move on like locusts, when people who have recovered their sight and beggars begin to administer justice themselves. It has always been, and it will continue, they do not know how to do otherwise.
            2. Rashid116 Offline Rashid116
              Rashid116 (Rashid) 14 October 2020 09: 32
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              Start where you want and finish right away, I don’t have as much time as you do. I have to go to work, I still have to plow and plow until retirement. Although I started working at the age of 15 as an assistant to a car mechanic))) well, and a job. conditions, but with the new old zeroer it looks like we'll die at work. Well, okay, it's fun for me to work, especially for myself. I'm a Kazan Tatar, if you're interested. And I was even born in Kazan. We drove 250 km from the capital, and settled in Naberezhnye Chelny. That’s all, I never left my homeland anywhere else (in the army only, but it was not my initiative))). We are fed well here too (c). Satisfied your curiosity? Now you answer, for what purpose You keep returning me to some kind of medieval game. Do you want to say that there are not enough of us left? But here your mistake, there are a lot of us. We just blend well with the locals. Well, we don’t have your unreasonable ambition and we do not try to rob everyone around us to the thread, we calmly give our daughters in marriage to locals. We do not consider ourselves special (gods selected, exceptional). We treat the locals and their traditions with respect. And yes, you are right about my namesake. We are friends to the grave and we fight as well. As for the success of Israel, you just brought the loot to one place. And Tatarstan itself earns all this , our republic has always been a donor region. It would be even better, but our elite is also rotten as in Russia. And, by the way, business, in my understanding, is not to cheat anyone (here the little Jew showed up in all its glory))). In my case, this is to produce the desired product, to win the competition using normal methods, and not like our local Jews on Kamaz through deputies and laws through the State Duma. We tried to bite off such a sickly piece after the engine plant burned down. They sent some chushpanov. on heliks in raincoats that were sent. We understood that they would not break through and they landed us through the State Duma. This is a real Jewish business, because they themselves do not know how, they have everything stolen. I lost a lot of time. Good luck.
        3. Crimean Connecting Rod (Eugene) 13 October 2020 19: 31
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          Russian intelligentsia killed

          Bah, and who was killed? Not Bronsteins, Maisels and Friedmans, eh?
          1. Tramp1812 Offline Tramp1812
            Tramp1812 (Tramp 1812) 13 October 2020 23: 40
            +1
            Quote: Crimean Connecting Rod
            Russian intelligentsia killed

            Bah, and who was killed? Not Bronsteins, Maisels and Friedmans, eh?

            World War I, revolution. Read - ka at your leisure "Quiet Don" - Nobel Prize laureate M. Sholokhov, perhaps you will understand. Those Jews, having been actively involved in the revolution, and it was precisely a revolution in the form of a coup, of course made a tragic mistake. It was necessary even then, to take his feet in his hands and run headlong after the Zionists in Palestine. Would have survived .... There is such a terrible documentary work by E. Razgon - "Invented" is called. So it contains a conversation between the author in prison (where else, under Stalin) with the personal friend of Tsar Nikolai, Borschagovsky. He was an enlightened anti-Semite and told the young inmate: "Power is not taken in order to share it with the Jews." And the Jews thought out of their naivety that they had taken Gd by the beard. And they paid for it under Soviet rule. And how. Well, as for the Russian intelligentsia killed during the revolution: it's not about the Jews. A.S. Pushkin wrote that there is nothing worse than a Russian rebellion, senseless and merciless. And under I. Bolotnikov and under S. Razin, and under E. Pugachev, and in 1917, the Russian intelligentsia was always the first to come under attack. It's just that in 1917 he was the most cruel. However, any civil war is like an intraspecific showdown: always the most brutal. It doesn't matter where it happens: in the USA, Spain, Finland, or Russia. By the way, the whole flower of the French intelligentsia was also killed during the First World War. And, no matter how sad it sounds to the Russian ear: Russian emigrants - nobles and intellectuals from revolutionary Russia, were received with a bang in the beds and families of the highest elite of France. And they completely assimilated in the French environment. So if the muson buzzes in the air, our brother Mason is not to blame. Moreover, the Jews have nothing to do with Masons. Don't look for a black cat in a dark room. Especially if the cat is not there.)
  5. Alexzn Offline Alexzn
    Alexzn (Alexander) 12 October 2020 10: 02
    -1
    Quote: passing by
    the Palestinians are also Semites, but no one writes on the fences, beat the Palestinians .. so another megalomania ... The USSR lost tens of millions of people in World War II, but Germany does not pay benefits like Jews for the Holocaust. and the Slavs, Gypsies and others died with the Jews on equal terms in concentration camps.

    Why all this set of nonsense and outright manipulation? Well, you do not like Jews - your right, but why lie? Here you will be immediately caught with facts and figures in a lie.
    1. passing by Offline passing by
      passing by (passing by) 12 October 2020 10: 20
      +2
      Strange ... Jews and Jews Kobzon are loved in Donbass. and they don't like the Orthodox Waltzman and Zelensky (probably anti-Semetism?). megalomania again? behave humanly, not like the navel of the earth. first shit around and then poop the offended ones. and all your facts come down to the article "Holocaust denial." but the numbers can be written absolutely any. all objections will end in prison.
      1. Tramp1812 Offline Tramp1812
        Tramp1812 (Tramp 1812) 12 October 2020 17: 59
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        Quote: passing by
        Strange ... Jews and Jews Kobzon are loved in Donbass. and they don't like the Orthodox Waltzman and Zelensky (probably anti-Semetism?). megalomania again? behave humanly, not like the navel of the earth. first shit around and then poop the offended ones. and all your facts come down to the article "Holocaust denial." but the numbers can be written absolutely any. all objections will end in prison.

        He was busy, don't blame me.
        About the Holocaust. They say everyone died in the camps, and only Jews are paid. The question is historically not. The winning countries, according to the Paris Protocol on Reparations and Restitutions, received their own from Germany. In 1950 Israel made demands for reparations and restitutions against the victorious powers. France, Great Britain and the United States replied that it was inappropriate to revise the Paris agreements. The USSR did not even honor Israel with an answer. In 1960, FRG Chancellor Adenauer, on his own initiative, volunteered on behalf of the FRG to make payments to Israel. For what ? Not for the Holocaust, by the way. And for all the Jewish property, aryized during the years of the Nazi regime. Taking into account the death of almost all Jews in Germany as a result of the Holocaust, there was no one to make payments. Therefore, all the losses of the owners were paid to Israel and the miraculously survived Jews. GDR - refused. With the reunification of Germany, this position was revised. Germans are rational people. They know very well how much and for what amount the property was wrested from the Jews of Germany. Therefore, they pay. About Kobzon, "Valtsman" and Zelensky. Kobzon from Donbass. That says it all. Poroshenko, forgive my French, has nothing to do with the Jews, either by the ear or by the snout. There were a lot of checks on this matter. As a result, we found out:
        1. Pope Poroshenko - Alexey Ivanovich Poroshenko;
        2. Mom - Grigorchuk, Russian name and patronymic are in the internet, I don't remember.
        3. In the year of birth of Alexei Ivanovich (1938) in the royal Romanian village, where he was born, there was an all-Romanian population census. Not a single Jew. Where Vanyok Valtsman came from, only you and the like you know. In the list of all Jewish surnames, such as Waltzman is absent.
        3. Zelensky, no questions asked. Indeed a Jew, which he emphasizes. Well, then what? The majority of the population of Ukraine - 80% of Ukrainian voters voted for him. That is, the questions that concern you, they do not care. Stalin remained. If the system approved by him was durable, he would not have surrendered positions so mediocre. And no state villain, Stalin, or anyone else, would have been able to keep such a diverse country. Well, the crimes committed by him are simply off scale. But as the three Russian poet Nekrasov wrote:

        The heavier the punishment, the dearer they are to the Lord.
    2. Rashid116 Offline Rashid116
      Rashid116 (Rashid) 14 October 2020 08: 10
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      Why love them? For the new concentration camps that the Jews have set up around their borders, or for sticking their noses where they are not asked? Or for this universal whining, which has gotten everyone already. Well, give at least one example.
  6. Tramp1812 Offline Tramp1812
    Tramp1812 (Tramp 1812) 12 October 2020 10: 26
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    Quote: AlexZN
    Quote: Rogue1812
    Quote: passing by
    what a beautiful tale about good Jews and a cruel, unjust world. Che is cold in Birobidzhan, they were not allowed to enter the Crimea, and in Palestine, although there was no sand and space, it was possible to bleed the Arabs? Well, it's not just that they drive you everywhere for millennia ...

    Very emotional, but unsubstantiated. About the fairy tale "about good Jews and an unjust world." First of all, Jews were not driven around the world, but exclusively in Europe. And even then - partially. The persecution was carried out not on ethnic grounds, but on religious grounds. Any Jew adopting Christianity was not persecuted. Likewise with Islam. Nothing new . Similarly, Catholics persecuted Protestants, and Protestants were Catholics, in Orthodoxy there was a similar conflict with the Old Believers. In Yugoslavia, Croatian Catholics massacred relatives - Orthodox Serbs. There is a similar conflict between Sunnis and Shiites. Countries that persecuted Jews paid dearly for this. The decline of Spain began after the expulsion of the Jews in 1492. Sultan of the Ottoman Empire Bayazet Lightning fast called the initiators of the exile - Queen Isabella and King Ferdinand - inadequate people who lost the best part of society. And he accepted all the Jews. King Juan Carlos, in our day, having apologized to the Jewish people and restored citizenship to their descendants, acknowledged the collapse of his country due to exile. Similarly, Germany received the full after WWII. The Pope in a special bull, on behalf of Christians, apologized to Jews for the persecution. Said:

    "The indelible sin of Cain lies on us because we did not see in the Jews all the beauty of our brothers!"

    Arabs did not live in Palestine at the time of the return of the Jews to their homeland. Read the report of the papal envoy Berlandi in 1694, the book of M. Twain "Simpletons Abroad". The Arabs followed the Jews to Palestine because the Jews created jobs, and they were driven out of Turkey by the Young Turks. The slogan of the Zionists of those times was: "To a people without land - a land without a people!" And the most important thing. You yourself say that you used to be persecuted. Now this is not even close. Zionism solved the Jewish question. And the Emir of Transjordan, Abdullah, generally believed that the Jews were scattered throughout the world of Bd in order to gain knowledge, return and bring light to the peoples of BV. Now they are standing in line to improve relations with Israel: from Sudan to Kuwait. Did not know ? You are blinded by hatred and held captive by prejudice. Your eyes are wide shut. It's the 21st century, and you have all the fires of the Inquisition on your agenda.

    That is why you, in an academic style, are trying to conduct a dialogue with outright anti-Semites? Are you hoping for a positive outcome?

    Yes, actually my posts are not addressed to him. I'm not so naive as not to remember the saying about dew and eyes. The site is quite popular. Quite a lot of people visit it. So let them draw their own conclusions after receiving information from your humble servant and a stream of unreasonable hatred of the Jews from the opponent. I cannot sink into a heart-rending cry, in order of alaverda to his absurdities.
    1. Eduard Aplombov Offline Eduard Aplombov
      Eduard Aplombov (Eduard Aplombov) 12 October 2020 13: 30
      +2
      Look how you turned it over, not * reasoned hatred of the Jews *, but there is only hatred for people like you, dear man, who crap in relation to Russia and the USSR, people without a homeland and a flag, and not for all Jews, among whom there are many worthy and great people who sincerely love their homeland (in this case, Russia) and fellow tribesmen.
      You still haven't gotten rid of your hatred of Russia, as if you have no problems in your new homeland today, you go to Russian forums to get rid of any news about the country that raised and nurtured your family, and now it also sends pensions.
      and so in many countries, which is why the indigenous people love you very much wherever you live
  7. Dmitry S. Offline Dmitry S.
    Dmitry S. (Dmitry Sanin) 12 October 2020 12: 43
    +2
    It is correct to say: the region in which we live, not "our region".
  8. Pound Offline Pound
    Pound (Alexander) 13 October 2020 12: 54
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    Zionism = Fascism!
  9. Tramp1812 Offline Tramp1812
    Tramp1812 (Tramp 1812) 14 October 2020 00: 03
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    Quote: Funt
    Zionism = Fascism!

    Well said! You are just like a native of ancient Sparta. Something like: "With a shield, or on a shield!" ... It’s a pity that you don’t know because of ignorance and ignorance, bastards and primitiveness - the definition of the concept of "fascism". From the word absolutely. And it was given to the RAS. Officially. In 1993. Compare now Zionism and Fascism. Make sure that these are completely opposite movements. Zionist Israel, by the way, is part of the socialintern. And the ardent Zionist Golda Meir was even the chairman of the socialintern. Fascism is prohibited by a court decision in Nuremberg. Zionism has never been banned by any international authority. You need to read books. Sometimes, as the hero of the novel of the Jew I. Faysilberg - Ostap Ibrahimovich Bender said:

    They sow the rational, the good, the eternal.
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    Tramp1812 (Tramp 1812) 14 October 2020 00: 38
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    Quote: Eduard Aplombov
    Look how you turned it over, not * reasoned hatred of the Jews *, but there is only hatred for people like you, dear man, who crap in relation to Russia and the USSR, people without a homeland and a flag, and not for all Jews, among whom there are many worthy and great people who sincerely love their homeland (in this case, Russia) and fellow tribesmen.
    You still haven't gotten rid of your hatred of Russia, as if you have no problems in your new homeland today, you go to Russian forums to get rid of any news about the country that raised and nurtured your family, and now it also sends pensions.
    and so in many countries, which is why the indigenous people love you very much wherever you live

    There is such an expression: there is more profile than courage. And you have aplomb, Edward, than knowledge, intelligence and literacy. This is reflected in your nickname, "nice man." Not only that, your post is not specific and does not correspond to reality. It is also controversial. And now, point by point, because even Peter the Great commanded to respond in writing to people like you. So that stupidity, there really is another word, everyone was visible.
    1. Hatred, you say not to all Jews, but to people like me - people without a homeland and a flag. Really curious. I have never lived in Russia, I was born and raised in Tashkent. Ethnic Russians, in your opinion, practically all those who left for Russia from Uzbekistan are also traitors? Or just Jews who left for Israel? And what about the Greeks who emigrated to Greece, the Germans - to Germany? Huh? Also traitors to the Motherland?
    2. Not only have they left, they also climb on Russian forums in order to spoil everything that is sacred, Russian .... I would be very grateful if you would refer, at least to one of my posts, where I would say bad about Russia. On Israeli Russian-language sites, there are much more Russian citizens than Israelis on Russian ones. And it never occurs to anyone to blame them for this. And how they cheat Israel: Mom, don't cry! I am on this site with only one purpose: to fight lies and anti-Semitism against Jews.
    3. There are great Jews who love the USSR - the Motherland. And there are "radishes", like me. I answer. The Russian homeland is Russia, the Jews have Israel, the British have Great Britain, and the Eritrians have Eritrea. What problems? But the USSR is not, it's time to understand it at last. And there is no respect for this totalitarian state, which has finally disappeared from the political map of the world. The whole world breathed a sigh of relief. Because it did not give anything good to any people, including Russians and Jews in the first place. Ask the Estonians, or the Turkmens, and the same Russians: do they want to go back to the USSR? There may be individual characters. But in the mass - never.
    4. Everywhere, all over the world, presumably, the indigenous population does not like Jews. Finally ! Everything else you have - a fleur, a smoke screen. This is you in vain. USA, or Georgia I swear. And I swear the Czech Republic and China. Jews on the planet, now 14 million people: 7 million in Israel, 5.8 million in the United States. 500 thousand each in England, Canada, 400 thousand in France, 300 thousand in Germany. With the Russian Federation it is more difficult. 160 thousand. But it included Jews who left for Israel after 1990 and retained Russian citizenship. Really, well, maybe 5-10 thousand are still left. So there is no one to hate. All went to Israel, to their homeland. Zionism solved the Jewish question. And you will never see us chained to the oars on the galleys .... In Vysotsky, a Jew, by the way. Unlike Poroshenko.
    1. isofat Offline isofat
      isofat (isofat) 14 October 2020 00: 57
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      Article: Jew - to Jews about Jews.
      Link to article: https://general-ivanoff.livejournal.com/914531.html

      PS. I got the feeling that your conscious life has passed outside Russia. Read what the Jew writes.
      1. Tramp1812 Offline Tramp1812
        Tramp1812 (Tramp 1812) 14 October 2020 08: 05
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        Quote: isofat
        Article: Jew - to Jews about Jews.
        Link to article: https://general-ivanoff.livejournal.com/914531.html

        PS. I got the feeling that your conscious life has passed outside Russia. Read what the Jew writes.

        Not only did I have a conscious or unconscious life, but my whole life was not spent in Russia. I read the address of Levitas. Nothing new. A million times before Levitas, where the more authoritative Zionists spoke about the same thing. Zeev Jabotinsky for example. And they did not just talk, but shouted, wrote, convinced. No - some of the Jews took the most active part in the revolution and building "the most just state of workers and peasants in the world. In gratitude, everyone was shot. The same Radek, Kamenev, Zinoviev. To which, Levitas refers. Trotsky, the creator of the Red Army and the father of the revolution - with an ice pick on the head ... Supporters of the USSR, on the contrary, accuse the Jews of the collapse of the USSR, nowadays - Russian anti-Semites, such as Rashid, you Walking by, are simply angry. I do not agree with Levitas that the activity of Jews in the opposition internal issues of Russia is somehow dangerous. Since they are citizens of the Russian Federation - they have the right. If they commit a criminal offense, they will be brought to justice. So far no one has been brought in. So everything is legal. In case of danger, there is where to go: to Zionist Israel. GDPR , is more than loyal to the Jews of Russia.The conversion has two weak points:
        1.No facts and references are given on the number of Jews participating in the opposition.
        2. Nothing is said about the fact that there are almost no Jews left in the Russian Federation. And the few remaining, on the contrary, are for power. Soloviev, Zhvanetsky, Khazanov, Gorodnitsky, Rosenbaum, Kobzon, for example.
        1. isofat Offline isofat
          isofat (isofat) 14 October 2020 11: 14
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          Tramp1812... The article is Zionist, written for people living in Russia. Zionist "sausage"that there are Jews who consider Russia their homeland.

          Lord Zionists: DO NOT GET INTO OUR BUSINESS, RUSSIAN BUSINESS.

          PS. You have no values, you could not keep them. smile
          1. Tramp1812 Offline Tramp1812
            Tramp1812 (Tramp 1812) 14 October 2020 12: 23
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            Quote: isofat
            Tramp1812... The article is Zionist, written for people living in Russia. Zionist "sausage"that there are Jews who consider Russia their homeland.

            Lord Zionists: DO NOT GET INTO OUR BUSINESS, RUSSIAN BUSINESS.

            PS. You have no values, you could not keep them. smile

            But in Russia, there is a basic value: it is you! And the pathological anti-Semite - Rashid. These are already two values. And what about the "interference of the Zionists in the affairs of Russia": appearances, addresses and passwords. As required by the GDP. But for now, apart from frank, primitive, I would say, rudeness, blatant obscurity and ignorance, you have not demonstrated anything. Is that wretchedness and ignorance of the subject on which you are trying to discuss. And in not very good Russian. "Sausage", as you put it. Well, just the second Nabokov, or the wizard of the pen Leskov.
            1. isofat Offline isofat
              isofat (isofat) 14 October 2020 13: 23
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              Quote: Rogue1812
              And what about the "interference of the Zionists in the affairs of Russia": appearance, addresses and passwords.

              I do not understand .. is it not you on the Russian site impersonate a resident of Ukraine?
            2. isofat Offline isofat
              isofat (isofat) 14 October 2020 14: 36
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              I did a check here, if you noticed. The profile can be edited without problems.