How Russia outplayed Turkey in the Karabakh adventure


Ankara, having launched a "counter-offensive" operation in Nagorno-Karabakh with the hands of Baku, was counting on a blitzkrieg - a fleeting war, in which success brings a series of powerful blows, depriving the enemy of the will to resist, demoralizing his army and population. However, the blitzkrieg did not happen - the Armenian "fortress Karabakh" was holding on, fiercely fighting back, although in some places its walls were breached, doused with the blood of the Azerbaijani military.


Some experts hastened to prematurely proclaim Turkey's victory over Russia in the rivalry for the Transcaucasus, although it is not entirely clear what their conclusions are based on. Moreover, Moscow did not appear at all for the war in Karabakh. She began to observe what was happening, not accepting either side, while taking advantage of the position of an arbitrator.

For Ankara, this is the third conflict in which it participates, albeit indirectly, bearing certain material costs and other costs. The wars in Libya and Syria, and now also the support of Azerbaijan, are very burdensome for the budget of a powerful, but not the richest country. Economy Turkey may not be able to withstand this, after which problems of an internal political nature will begin and Ankara will be sharply unable to expand its sphere of influence.

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan imagined himself a more significant leader than the founder of the Turkish state, Mustafa Kemal Ataturk. He decided to carry out a historical revenge and recreate the Ottoman Empire, starting an expansion in the Eastern Mediterranean.

Even Turkey's NATO allies do not like these plans. A whole anti-turkish union from 9 countries: France, Italy, Greece, Cyprus, Israel, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, UAE and Bahrain. And that's not counting the LNA led by Khalifa Haftar, official Damascus and the Kurds.

By targeting Karabakh and Armenia, Turkey could spoil its relations with Russia and Iran, as well as lose any remaining US confidence. Washington itself is trying to squeeze Moscow out of Transcaucasia, but it does not want to let Ankara go there.

Turkey runs the risk of being left in almost complete isolation and will begin to degrade very quickly. It will have to retreat on all fronts and make concessions to both the West and Moscow. Ankara's attempts to drag Russia into the Karabakh conflict, diverting its attention from Syria and Libya, were unsuccessful, the “counteroffensive” was drowned out, which means the Kremlin managed to outplay Erdogan. The intensity of the fighting has already decreased and several rounds of negotiations are due to take place in the near future.
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  1. Dimy4 Offline Dimy4
    Dimy4 (Dmitriy) 8 October 2020 18: 59
    -2
    More praises for cunning planes and multi-rovers. The neighbor hit the neighbor in the forehead, he was not offended - after all, this is a cunning plan, now the bully's arm hurts, probably.
    1. Aleksey Glotov Offline Aleksey Glotov
      Aleksey Glotov (alexey glotov) 9 October 2020 02: 04
      +7
      This is a great plan ... they let them mutuz each other there and we will be the winners ... and this should always be done following the example of the United States.
    2. uncledoich Offline uncledoich
      uncledoich (Dmitriy) 10 October 2020 08: 33
      0
      A friend has a similar case - a neighbor gave him a head-on. As a result, the neighbor does not remember anything, and the bully's 2 fingers are broken. It is symbolic.
  2. GRF Offline GRF
    GRF 8 October 2020 19: 02
    +4
    As soon as Turkey is beaten for its behavior, they will immediately begin to help it and make its army again the second strongest in Europe, but now, it must deflate, destroying peace, connections, diverting everyone's attention to itself. For not clean, but profitable business should be done in the shade ...
    Therefore, the task is to provide Turkey with the "right" opportunities.
    1. Binder Online Binder
      Binder (Miron) 8 October 2020 19: 31
      -6
      Quote: GRF
      As soon as Turkey is beaten for its behavior

      And who, in your opinion, will beat Turkey in Transcaucasia, not Armenians?
      1. Atilla10933 Offline Atilla10933
        Atilla10933 (Atilla_az) 8 October 2020 21: 11
        -5
        Quote: Bindyuzhnik
        And who, in your opinion, will beat Turkey in Transcaucasia, not Armenians?

        laughing good Under the table)
      2. Aleksey Glotov Offline Aleksey Glotov
        Aleksey Glotov (alexey glotov) 9 October 2020 02: 05
        +7
        Turkey will carve itself ... taking upon itself the thankless labor of conquering the whole world ... it will undoubtedly break down.
  3. gorenina91 Offline gorenina91
    gorenina91 (Irina) 8 October 2020 19: 09
    -13 qualifying.
    By targeting Karabakh and Armenia, Turkey could spoil its relations with Russia and Iran, as well as lose any remaining US confidence.

    - To spoil "spoil your relations with Russia and Iran" ... - and that's all ??? - Yes, Erdogan does not care about all this ... -Americans only stimulate him to this ... - for this, the United States supports him ...
    -And Armenia and Karabakh are not needed by Turkey at all ... -What to take from them ... -from this poverty ??? - And the United States keeps Armenia "in a black body" ... - does not seek to pump funds there ... - The United States needs Armenia only as an instrument against Russia ...

    Turkey will remain in almost complete isolation and will begin to degrade very quickly. She will have to retreat on all fronts and make concessions like the West,

    - Yes, it's time for Russia to take proper care of its position ... - There are only enemies around and no support around ...
    -And Russia still began to gradually take part in the Karabakh conflict ... -Some calls to Aliyev ... -Why is all this ???
    -This is the greatest mistake ... -Then everyone will remain white and fluffy; and Russia, as always ... - will be accused of all sins ...
    1. NoN importa Offline NoN importa
      NoN importa (NoN importa) 8 October 2020 20: 34
      +5
      Quote: gorenina91
      By targeting Karabakh and Armenia, Turkey could spoil its relations with Russia and Iran, as well as lose any remaining US confidence.

      - To spoil "spoil your relations with Russia and Iran" ... - and that's all ??? - Yes, Erdogan does not care about all this ... -Americans only stimulate him to this ... - for this, the United States supports him ...
      -And Armenia and Karabakh are not needed by Turkey at all ... -What to take from them ... -from this poverty ??? - And the United States keeps Armenia "in a black body" ... - does not seek to pump funds there ... - The United States needs Armenia only as an instrument against Russia ...

      Turkey will remain in almost complete isolation and will begin to degrade very quickly. She will have to retreat on all fronts and make concessions like the West,

      - Yes, it's time for Russia to take proper care of its position ... - There are only enemies around and no support around ...
      -And Russia still began to gradually take part in the Karabakh conflict ... -Some calls to Aliyev ... -Why is all this ???
      -This is the greatest mistake ... -Then everyone will remain white and fluffy; and Russia, as always ... - will be accused of all sins ...

      one thing does not change on the ax - the main expert on everything, as usual, in minuses for comments
      1. Vladimir_ Voronov (Vladimir) 9 October 2020 09: 44
        +3
        This "expert" does not know the parable about the negligent soldier who claimed that the whole company was not walking in step, he was alone in the foot.
      2. Sergej Ugrimow Offline Sergej Ugrimow
        Sergej Ugrimow (Sergej Ugrimow) 9 October 2020 11: 30
        0
        Life itself, its realities, which are very different from Turkish dreams.
    2. Aleksey Glotov Offline Aleksey Glotov
      Aleksey Glotov (alexey glotov) 9 October 2020 02: 08
      -8
      Here Irina, I agree with you 100 percent ... if you look realistically at things in politics ... each country has its own interests, as a rule, they do not protect Russia's interests. hi
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    3. CAMS Offline CAMS
      CAMS (Ivan) 10 October 2020 17: 26
      -1
      Remember, Russia will never have allies. They are afraid of our enormity. And every feudal lord wants to bite off a piece. Russia can ensure its prosperity only by maintaining a powerful army and navy. Only from this position can you convince the next king to give back and win yourself bonuses. Examples are Abkhazia, Ossetia, Crimea, Donbass. It will be necessary, we will win more. All the cries that Russia is to blame are the attacks of powerless dogs. Paying attention to this is a futile exercise. We have to work. To educate and teach children, create and support families. And leave state affairs to people smarter and more competent
      1. nkvil Offline nkvil
        nkvil (Nathan Kvil) 10 October 2020 17: 57
        -3
        Change the methodology,. Keep your stupid lectures to yourself. Russia has no friends left and Putin's predatory policy will lead your country to collapse.
        1. CAMS Offline CAMS
          CAMS (Ivan) 11 October 2020 08: 47
          +2
          Look at your unfinished place. Russia moves its little finger and the whole world reacts. Someone with hatred, like your insignificant cash cow, someone with hope. This is authority. You, and people like you, can only whine. Russia will no longer stop at building up its economic, political and military might. If you do not understand this, then these are your problems. They reset your territory after all. To call it a country will not turn the tongue of any sane person
  4. Alexzn Offline Alexzn
    Alexzn (Alexander) 8 October 2020 19: 55
    -9
    The whole note is from false messages!
    1. Turkey by the hands of Azerbaijan ... - stupidity! Azerbaijan with OWN hands (though not without the support of Turkey) is trying to liberate its territory.
    2. Turkey counted on a blitzkrieg - the Azerbaijanis planned a war, started it, but the Turks were counting on a blitzkrieg. Isn't the role of Turkey in the conflict too exaggerated?
    4. About experts and Turkey's victory over Russia - are we inventing delusional experts ourselves and expose them ourselves?
    5. Economically, Turkey may not withstand this conflict .... strange Azerbaijan is waging a war at its own expense and the supply of weapons, incl. from Turkey pays from their budget.
    6. Turkey is trying to drag Russia into the conflict. Where does this follow? Erdogan is impudent, but not.
    7. Turkey will fall ill and die ... Many would like to, but ...
    1. Kristallovich Offline Kristallovich
      Kristallovich (Ruslan) 8 October 2020 20: 01
      +3
      Isn't the role of Turkey in the conflict too exaggerated?

      Will the role of Russia in the hypothetical conflict between Belarus and Poland be exaggerated too? I think the answer is obvious ...
      1. dkuznecov Offline dkuznecov
        dkuznecov (Dmitry Kuznetsov) 8 October 2020 20: 52
        0
        Apples versus potatoes? Warriors did not grow up with either one or the other Limitrophe.
    2. dkuznecov Offline dkuznecov
      dkuznecov (Dmitry Kuznetsov) 8 October 2020 20: 51
      -2
      Bravo. Really nonsense. Maybe someone's order.
    3. Aleksey Glotov Offline Aleksey Glotov
      Aleksey Glotov (alexey glotov) 9 October 2020 02: 11
      +2
      Of course, Turkey is sick ... and the virus that settled in it is Erdogan ... the Turkish military are definitely fighting in Azerbaijan as advisers ... they posted pictures on the Internet ... you cannot argue against this.
    4. CAMS Offline CAMS
      CAMS (Ivan) 10 October 2020 17: 39
      0
      Azerbaijan is trying to take possession of a territory that will never become it. This must be understood. The main thing in this story is to have preferences from a more winning position, that is, in the offensive. What bonuses they want to receive, we do not know. I doubt that Azerbaijan will want to fight for a long time, a long battle will destroy the economy and throw the country back several decades. Hence, more understandable reasons are a benefit for Aliyev himself. Saakashvili was counting on the same, in the end he lost everything. What external forces are pushing Aliyev to this path is again not vedamo. But I'm sure they will explain to him what he risks.
  5. Alexzn Offline Alexzn
    Alexzn (Alexander) 8 October 2020 20: 04
    -4
    Quote: Kristallovich
    Isn't the role of Turkey in the conflict too exaggerated?

    Will the role of Russia in the hypothetical conflict between Belarus and Poland be exaggerated too? I think the answer is obvious ...

    Invalid comparison. There are no problems between Poles and Belarusians that inevitably lead to war. There is such a reason between A and A, REGARDLESS of Turkey.
    1. Kristallovich Offline Kristallovich
      Kristallovich (Ruslan) 8 October 2020 20: 55
      +4
      I'm not talking about the possibility of a conflict, but about the role of the parties in the event of its hypothetical beginning!
  6. Alexzn Offline Alexzn
    Alexzn (Alexander) 8 October 2020 21: 14
    -3
    Quote: Kristallovich
    I'm not talking about the possibility of a conflict, but about the role of the parties in the event of its hypothetical beginning!

    So it is foolish to dispute the role of Turkey in the conflict, but to reduce the conflict to the fact that Turkey is solving its problems with the hands of Azerbaijan ...
  7. Many_ways_point Offline Many_ways_point
    Many_ways_point 8 October 2020 23: 17
    -9
    Russia has outplayed everyone, Erdogan is already giving up, yeah. In Ukraine, this is also a complete victory. And everything is fine with the SP2 gasket. ISIS also won, as many as 3 times. And 25 million new, high-tech, well-paid jobs have long been created. And they got off the raw needle for a long time. And GDP has already tripled in 20 years.
    Parallel reality of the world of kremlebots, not otherwise.
    1. Monster_Fat Offline Monster_Fat
      Monster_Fat (What's the difference) 9 October 2020 06: 09
      -6
      Exactly. Kremlebotovskiy zakaznyak, not an article. The Kremlin, it turns out, has already defeated everyone. Well, you must. Of course, I understand that it is necessary to write about "achievements", even where they do not exist, and if not, then simply invent them, perhaps the narrow-minded Russian plebs will shake off and the degree of "support" for the nullified and the Kremlin fraternity in the country will increase ... then, very much, in the country "depresnyakovo" everything. yes
    2. Sergej Ugrimow Offline Sergej Ugrimow
      Sergej Ugrimow (Sergej Ugrimow) 9 October 2020 11: 34
      +2
      And the number of anti-state creatures who hate their country and their people is not decreasing in any way. Well, what can you do ???
      1. Many_ways_point Offline Many_ways_point
        Many_ways_point 9 October 2020 11: 37
        -4
        Go out the window. It will feel better.
    3. nkvil Offline nkvil
      nkvil (Nathan Kvil) 10 October 2020 18: 06
      -2
      Absolutely right and to the point :) Vova St. Petersburg outplayed everyone and stole a bunch of dough .... to the envy of the stupid slaves who look with emotion at this chaos in the Russian Federation and shout with foam at the mouth: uryayayaya, we broke everyone !!! It's funny and sad to look at you.
      1. CAMS Offline CAMS
        CAMS (Ivan) 11 October 2020 08: 56
        0
        If people like you, then this is only from a lack of intelligence and unwillingness to work a lot honestly.
  8. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 9 October 2020 08: 58
    0
    In fact, Putin's cunning plan is clearly this:
    I asked Trump's agent to order his friend Endogan to order his colleague Alliyev to punish the insidious Maidan men from Yerevan who did not want a lifelong Pyemer)))))))
  9. Vladgby Offline Vladgby
    Vladgby (Vlad) 9 October 2020 09: 46
    -2
    Our great-great-grandfathers chased them, why be surprised?
  10. Sergej Ugrimow Offline Sergej Ugrimow
    Sergej Ugrimow (Sergej Ugrimow) 9 October 2020 11: 46
    +3
    The fakir was drunk and the number failed.

    Pashinyan did not manage to drag Russia into the war of Armenia against Azerbaijan, having quarreled it with a strategic partner, and then, having mumbled, thus thrown, raising his internal and external rating. Now he will have to either leave or start to a much greater extent than before, focusing on Russia.
    Aliyev was also clearly unlucky, the separation from Russia with the help of a blitzkrieg did not work, a marriage of convenience and a prosperous family life with Turkey also stuck.
  11. Tramp1812 Offline Tramp1812
    Tramp1812 (Tramp 1812) 9 October 2020 14: 31
    -1
    This, whatever one may say, is a local conflict. Where the advantages of the attacking side are offset by the powerful defense and the motivation of the defenders. The forces of the opponents are, by and large, equal. And the statements about Turkey's blitzkrieg calculations are not very convincing. Rather, Turkey helped Baku unfreeze the situation, since Aliyev's lack of reaction for 30 years to occupy 25% of Azerbaijan's territory did not strengthen his power within the country. Taking into account the resources of the conflicting parties, hostilities cannot last indefinitely. Well a week, well, a maximum of 10-12 days. Then Armenia must cede five to seven regions to Baku outside Karabakh. Intrigue: five or seven districts? The status of Karabakh and the exchange of territories - corridors according to the Goble formula. Perhaps Turkey counted on a more active participation in the peace at the initial stage of the conflict of Russia and on a more substantial advance of the Azerbaijani army. It didn't happen. Although the Armenians were pushed back. Not critical for Armenia, but it seems to be critical for Pashinyan.
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  13. Vyacheslav Rugen (Vyacheslav) 10 October 2020 11: 29
    -2
    It would be better if Russia outplayed the impoverishment that covers the citizens of the country, there would be immeasurably more sense for the people in this than another "check and checkmate" somewhere "abroad"