The cost of wrong decisions: Russia should have sent troops to Ukraine 6 years ago


Everything secret sooner or later becomes apparent. Recently describing the history of military coups and assessing the role of the power factor in color revolutions, I came across a surprising fact, and it turns out that Yanukovych in 2014 also faced the fact of treason of the security officials who refused to carry out his "criminal orders." Vitaly Zakharchenko, the former Interior Minister in the Azarov government, told about this on the air to Ukraina.ru, who remained at his post until the last days of Yanukovych, which ended with his flight.


Then, using illustrative examples, I showed how the internal betrayal ended for Yanukovych's colleagues - Salvador Allende in 1973 in Chile, Slobodan Milosevic in 2000 in Yugoslavia, Mohammed Mursi in 2013 in Egypt and Evo Morales in 2019 in Bolivia. And why the regime of Nicolas Maduro survived in the same 2019 in Venezuela. You can't sit on bayonets, but in our time no one can sit without them either. That was once again proved by Alexander Lukashenko in Belarus.

The betrayal that buried Yanukovych


According to Zakharchenko, Yanukovych's order to strengthen police cordons with airborne troops and armored vehicles on the outskirts of the city on February 19, 2014 was ignored by none other than the Chief of the General Staff and concurrently Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, Colonel-General Vladimir Zamana. Pavel Lebedev, then acting Minister of Defense, was, in fact, a civilian, a reserve captain, the same as his Russian counterpart, Senior Lieutenant Anatoly Serdyukov, who successfully "destroyed" the Russian army from 2007 to 2012 (and so successfully that The RF Armed Forces are now considered, in fact, the No. 1 army in the world). But Lebedev was far from his Russian counterpart, and in fact the army was then commanded by Colonel-General Zamana, who refused to carry out Yanukovych's “criminal order”. The fact that Yanukovych dismissed him from his post on the same day, appointing Admiral Ilyin, the former commander-in-chief of the Naval Forces of Ukraine, in his place (however, he was delayed in this post for only 9 days until February 28), did not save the situation, time was lost and three days later on February 21, the regime of the "bloody tyrant" fell.

By the way, it is significant that Zamana Yanukovych, who was dismissed from his post as a traitor, was immediately appointed Deputy Secretary of the National Security and Defense Council of Ukraine. The National Security and Defense Council of Ukraine, which was already without his secretary Andriy Klyuev, who was transferred to head the Presidential Administration on January 24, 2014, was supervised at that time by the former Prosecutor General of Ukraine Oleksandr Medvedko as the 1st Deputy Secretary of the NSDC. How Zaman's traitor should have helped him, I do not know. Apparently, the Security Council is the place where all traitors are exiled, because Lukashenka, who set him up with 33 Wagnerites, also removed the Chairman of the KGB of the Republic of Belarus Valery Vakulchik and sent him to head the Security Council of Belarus. I don’t know how this will end for the dad, because the traitor Zaman on February 22 (already three days after his appointment to the Security Council), by the decision of the Verkhovna Rada, again returned to his old duties as the Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, authorized by the Rada to also control the activities of the Ministry of Defense. In whose hands the Verkhovna Rada was then, you know (the day before that the Yanukovych regime fell). True, he stayed in this post for only five days, transferring it to acting. Minister of Defense to Admiral Tenyukh, who "presented" Crimea to Russia without a single shot.

Why didn't help come?


Could it have happened differently? So that not only Crimea, but all of Ukraine remains under Russia? Quite. And there was a formal reason for this. I mean the request of its legally elected president to the Russian Federation for help in restoring the constitutional order. And the Federation Council of the Russian Federation on March 1, 2014 even gave the go-ahead to the President of the Russian Federation to use the RF Armed Forces for this, canceled on June 25 at the request of the same President. Why Putin did not exercise this right, I do not know, but he would have changed the course of history. Moreover, I will tell you that he did not even need permission from the Federation Council of the Russian Federation for this, because since December 2009, the Federation Council has already granted the President of the Russian Federation "an unlimited right to the operational use of armed forces abroad." Then Dmitry Medvedev substantiated its necessity with the aim of protecting the interests of the state and its citizens, maintaining international peace and security. Since then, no one has canceled this right.

By the time the resolution of the Federation Council of the Russian Federation was adopted, Yanukovych was no longer in the country (according to the SBU, he fled on February 26, 2014 at 16:25 Moscow time through the territory of Crimea), but no one canceled his powers. Captured as a result of the state. coup, the power of a gang of conspirators was out of the right field, all their decisions were and remained illegal, until the May 25, 2014 early presidential elections, which Poroshenko won. And which the Russian Federation has recognized. And she could not admit it! Putin had three whole months and all the legal grounds to turn the chariot of history back. Why he didn't do it, I don't know. I only know that already in Belarus, 6 years later, he did not repeat his past mistakes. True, in Belarus there was enough of a demonstration of force by creating a reserve of NG on the country's borders to keep the security forces from treason. It would have to be applied in Ukraine. But there would be no blood! By the efforts of the conspirators, the power vertical at that time was already completely destroyed, the Armed Forces of Ukraine were demoralized, no one would have put up real resistance.

The power in Ukraine was practically lying underfoot, and only the lazy one did not take it. And if Putin had picked it up and returned to the hands of the fled Yanukovych, then 85% of people living in Ukraine would only welcome it. But he confined himself to the Crimea and scooped up everything. Yes, otherwise, maybe Crimea would not have ceded to the Russian Federation, but remained Ukrainian, but Ukraine itself would not have become an outpost of NATO and a bleeding hemorrhoid for Russia. This is more than a crime - it is a mistake! And as comrade said. Ordzhonikidze, every mistake has its own name and its own surname. And I know her! But to admit this mistake means to admit that you are wrong, and many ordinary Russians cannot do this. What can we say about the president. Which of politicians over the past 150 years admitted his own mistakes? There are no such! At least I don’t know. Is it worth it to be surprised and offended by the Americans, who bent down and raised this power over Ukraine and Ukraine, which was abandoned by no one in the Russian Federation?

What happened on May 7, 2014?


The point of no return, after which it became clear that the Russian train had left irrevocably, was a press conference by Putin and Didier Burkhalter following the latter's visit to Moscow on May 7, 2014. Look at Putin for yourself.


Have you ever seen him like this? Look at his facial expressions, articulation, gestures. What did the President of Switzerland, who was heading the OSCE at the time, tell him that made him so confused? Let me remind you that the meeting took place immediately after the bloody events of May 2 in Odessa, where Ukrainian thugs burned and beat 48 people alive and beat them with bats. It would seem that the moral superiority should have been on our side, but Putin behaves as if he personally gave the order to kill. But against the background of our guiltily lowering eyes, Burkhalter looks like an unshakable rock of confidence and calmness. What is it for?

There is a version that information about his personal accounts was leaked to Putin. Allegedly on May 4, on the air of the CNN TV channel, when asked by the host Farid Zakaria whether the US financial intelligence knew about the personal capital of Vladimir Putin and his entourage, the head of the financial intelligence of the US Treasury Department, David Cohen, refused to comment with a smile, citing the fact that this was intelligence data. character. Maybe Burkhalter put the bills on the table? I personally do not believe in this version. Putin is not the man! But the facts are a stubborn thing, three days after the broadcast of CNN, Russia is making a 180-degree turn and a complete change of course relative to the way it went all the previous three months.

In particular, Putin called on separatists in the southeast to postpone the May 11 referendum and called the upcoming May 25 presidential elections in Ukraine "a movement in the right direction", assuring the Swiss president that Russian troops would not be used and that they would be guaranteed to withdraw from the Ukrainian border. After which Russia received from the West everything it deserved. Starting from the war in Donbass, accusations of the downed Boeing, and ending with sanctions, Thomas and strategic bombers of the US Air Force, simulating an attack on Crimea. If this is a victory, then I don't even know what defeat is for you ?!
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  1. Sergey Tokarev Offline Sergey Tokarev
    Sergey Tokarev (Sergey Tokarev) 10 October 2020 08: 11
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    Sheremetyev had already introduced, then rotted for 20 years with the Turks ... venal "brothers" for a showdown with their violent neighbor on the landing demand to bring in troops from a neighboring state. absolutely crazy? laughing they chose hetmans for themselves, and live with them. And why should Russia feed Malopolska, Transcarpathia and Bukovina? they are not rushing to Russia.
  2. Toha from KZ Offline Toha from KZ
    Toha from KZ (Anton) 10 October 2020 08: 12
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    If cats do not give birth, it is Putin's fault! That’s who needs to run for president! The author would have done everything differently, even managed to throw on the fan with Putin's accounts. If anyone had the opportunity to find these accounts, they would have already flashed on the pages of all media. Morality and honor are not for Europeans.
    1. Sergey Tokarev Offline Sergey Tokarev
      Sergey Tokarev (Sergey Tokarev) 10 October 2020 08: 33
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      Putin did not send troops 6 years ago, Putin did not send troops when their "sportswoman, Komsomol member and just beauty" suprun advised to be treated with plantain. did not enter when they made financial reforms. did not introduce when they staged a circus with Orthodoxy and language and will not introduce either in 6 years or never at all. You can't hear the screams from the pages of well-known publications and high tribunes of any defenders of Ukrainians, not to mention defenders of animals, and even more so people. Now they will be canceled pensions and benefits for communal services and the number of such articles will increase.
    2. Accidentally Offline Accidentally
      Accidentally 10 October 2020 08: 48
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      Why did Mr. Burkhalter come from Switzerland. Does anyone remember .... ?????
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    3. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 10 October 2020 09: 12
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      Quote: Toha from KZ
      If anyone had the opportunity to find these accounts, they would have already flashed on the pages of all media. Morality and honor are not for Europeans.

      And what's the use of them flickering? Soloviev will come out and say that this is a fake, slander and a lie.
      It's much more scary when there are accounts and they are threatened to simply be arrested, right?
      1. Toha from KZ Offline Toha from KZ
        Toha from KZ (Anton) 11 October 2020 06: 00
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        What are you talking about! Is Soloviev already influencing the European Union? Ai wai, as I understand you, you are a descendant of an ancient profession, a digger of the seas.
        1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
          Marzhecki (Sergei) 12 October 2020 11: 20
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          What does the European Union have to do with it? Well, they will publish information about Putin's accounts. So, what is next? Navalny does not publish that, what's next? Was he overthrown or what? There will be no consequences for him from the publication of such information.
          But losing accounts, if any, is unpleasant.
  3. Lysik001 Offline Lysik001
    Lysik001 (boy Seryozha) 10 October 2020 09: 00
    +1
    The author mixed everything in one heap. Why should Russia have to fight for this scum of Yanukovych? With what aplomb he constantly behaved! Moreover, this multi-vector approach, be it wrong. We go to the EU, we don’t go. And our soldiers were supposed to die, don't understand why. Everything is easy and simple for the author! Yes, there would be no victims, yes this and that. And he sits on the sofa and scribbles all these nonsense and you go and fight. No dear! Himself go where you want and Putin did everything right then. Ukrov cannot be corrected! They were the same in the USSR and remained so, and there is no need to go into their swamp.
    1. Sergey Tokarev Offline Sergey Tokarev
      Sergey Tokarev (Sergey Tokarev) 10 October 2020 09: 08
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      and how should it be? Russia simply bought them from the Poles, Russia simply annexed Galicia to them, Russia simply annexed Crimea to them, Russia simply built factories and educated them. Russia has simply made one of the largest economies in Europe from ruins. Therefore, Russia is simply obliged to once again wipe the ass of the shitty Sumerians .... everything is simple for them. sit and panu while the lords are fighting. and they just twirl their noses and look for where it is better.
    2. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 10 October 2020 09: 10
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      Quote: Lysik001
      The author mixed everything into one heap. Why should Russia have to fight for this scum of Yanukovych?

      Boy, Russia was not supposed to fight for Yanukovych, but for its national interests. The author wrote everything correctly.
      1. Sergey Tokarev Offline Sergey Tokarev
        Sergey Tokarev (Sergey Tokarev) 10 October 2020 09: 18
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        and with whom to fight Pan Marzhetsky? no one attacked the Ukrainians. that's when the Little Russians decided to slaughter Polish children and old people, Russia stood on the same side with Poland. Because it was not in her interests to have such individuals. Particularly violent Little Russians were sent to hard labor. So the re-education of Little Russians by the hands of Little Russians themselves is also in the interests of Russia, and not just once again to lose human and material resources trying to reason with the savages.
        1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
          Marzhecki (Sergei) 10 October 2020 10: 17
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          Quote: Sergey Tokarev
          and with whom to fight Pan Marzhetsky? no one attacked the Ukrainians

          Seryozha, Putin had to support Yanyk as Lukashenko. And nothing would have happened. As a last resort, send troops at the request of the legitimate president. And that's all.
          1. Sergey Tokarev Offline Sergey Tokarev
            Sergey Tokarev (Sergey Tokarev) 10 October 2020 10: 20
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            maybe it was not necessary to interfere with your ancestors, Pan Marzhetsky? also nothing would be now. Sahaidachny would not go to Moscow, Khmelnitsky would not betray, etc. and the Russified Khazars would not be recorded as brothers of the Slavs.
            1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
              Marzhecki (Sergei) 12 October 2020 11: 22
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              What do you know about my ancestors to talk about it?
              All that is clear about you is that you are a petty nationalist, not far from your brothers in mind from Ukraine.
        2. marciz Offline marciz
          marciz (Stas) 11 October 2020 04: 06
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          Quote: Sergey Tokarev
          and with whom to fight Pan Marzhetsky? no one attacked the Ukrainians. that's when the Little Russians decided to slaughter Polish children and old people, Russia stood on the same side with Poland. Because it was not in her interests to have such individuals. Particularly violent Little Russians were sent to hard labor. So the re-education of Little Russians by the hands of Little Russians themselves is also in the interests of Russia, and not just once again to lose human and material resources trying to reason with the savages.

          Read the history of what happened in Western Ukraine before the 1st - World War !!!!
          1. passing by Offline passing by
            passing by (passing by) 11 October 2020 04: 39
            +2
            when was the first world war, and when was the Haidamak uprising? and when was western Ukraine annexed? it is clear that ukram really wants to eat, that they are trying to blame their 400 years of murder, robbery and betrayal for 70 years of western Ukraine. what the ragulie was doing at the beginning of the last century is the problem of the Poles and Hungarians.
      2. Eduard Aplombov Offline Eduard Aplombov
        Eduard Aplombov (Eduard Aplombov) 10 October 2020 13: 10
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        Professor, that is, the author knows about the interests of Russia sitting at home at the computer or in the editorial office, and the rest do not know, does not know the safety advice or personally to the GDP.
        maybe the Kremlin does not know that such inquisitive minds sprinkle strategic plans in a * reporter *.
        1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
          Marzhecki (Sergei) 12 October 2020 11: 24
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          Quote: Eduard Aplombov
          Professor, that is, the author knows about the interests of Russia sitting at home at the computer or in the editorial office, and the rest do not know, does not know the safety advice or personally to the GDP.

          Judging by the results of 6 years, the GDP has a misconception about Russia's national interests.
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    3. Many_ways_point Offline Many_ways_point
      Many_ways_point 10 October 2020 10: 51
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      Why should Russia have to fight for this scum of Yanukovych?

      Then why this scum was given several billion dollars?

      And our soldiers were supposed to die, don't understand why

      Why, then, you are not compensated by the war in Syria where the Russian Federation has already lost more than 1 hundred people?

      go where you want and Putin did everything right then.

      It turns out that the American military presence in Ukraine and the imitation of B52 attacks from its territory is a benefit for the Russian Federation and its citizens?
    4. Larisa Larisa Offline Larisa Larisa
      Larisa Larisa (Larisa Larisa) 10 October 2020 19: 50
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      Have you gone to fight? Or do you only send others?
      1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
        Marzhecki (Sergei) 12 October 2020 11: 26
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        Quote: Larisa Larisa
        Have you gone to fight? Or do you only send others?

        Oh, poor comment putinoids. I wonder why you think it is possible to send someone to fight INSTEAD of professional military personnel who, by the way, receive money, length of service, pension, military mortgage, etc.?
        Loves the VVP electorate, so that people do not their own business laughing
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  5. gorenina91 Offline gorenina91
    gorenina91 (Irina) 10 October 2020 09: 11
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    Have you ever seen him like this? Look at his facial expressions, articulation, gestures. What did the President of Switzerland, who was heading the OSCE at that time, tell him that made him so confused?

    - Personally, I quickly squandered all this tediousness ... - So what ???
    - I didn't notice anything special ... - Some girl looked directly into the lens ... - and Putin was quite relaxed and cheerful ... - it seems that everything was filmed in a not very prestigious room ... -what- then props ... -Where is the pomp and the corresponding semi-officiality ??? - Some kind of "semi-handicraft" ... - Some voices ... - male, female (in Russian) ... - Maybe it was not Putin at all ... - Yes, and a Swiss Frenchman Didier Burkhalter (almost an accountant) looked somehow undignified ... - sometimes it was he who could be mistaken for a little man who was about to have a kind of exam ...
    -And anyway ... -all these are things of bygone days ...
    - But the fact that today Russian troops have not been introduced into Belarus and that Lukashenko has not been removed ... - this is a very serious problem ... - And very soon it will come back to haunt Russia ...
    1. Sergey Tokarev Offline Sergey Tokarev
      Sergey Tokarev (Sergey Tokarev) 10 October 2020 09: 23
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      I agree for the first time))) in short, the Swiss asked not to eat it to .... shku, Putin did not mind. and then he repeated, whoever "dances" the Ukrainian woman feeds her. but sadness ... no one else wants to "dance" with a Ukrainian woman, let alone pay ...
  6. GRF Offline GRF
    GRF 10 October 2020 09: 15
    -1
    Defeat is when enemy bombers fly over our country, killing our fellow citizens.
    If for you Ukraine is our country, then why do you call those who want to unite with us - separatists?
    1. Volkonsky Offline Volkonsky
      Volkonsky (Vladimir) 10 October 2020 09: 32
      +2
      Who calls? I? Then I am a separatist myself! And the B-52 does not have to fly over the Russian Federation, the adjacent territory is enough - it is armed with air-to-surface cruise missiles and gliding bombs, and this is not counting free-falling hydrogen ones. And all of this might not have happened. In this case, I argue from the goal-setting of Moscow, not Kiev. Kiev is no more, forget about it.
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  7. Natan bruk Offline Natan bruk
    Natan bruk (Natan Bruk) 10 October 2020 09: 26
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    No Boeing was shot down by Russia! Any dispatcher Carlos will confirm this! He sat in Boryspil and saw everything! And Misha Leontyev too - he convincingly proved that it was a huge Ukrainian fighter about a kilometer in size, the Ukrainians made it specially for this case. and the BUK was tied to it.
    1. isofat Offline isofat
      isofat (isofat) 10 October 2020 09: 41
      +3
      Natan brukwhen you have nothing to say do you start clowning?
      1. Sergey Tokarev Offline Sergey Tokarev
        Sergey Tokarev (Sergey Tokarev) 10 October 2020 09: 44
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        maybe he is from Odessa and a friend of Zhvanetsky ...
        1. isofat Offline isofat
          isofat (isofat) 10 October 2020 10: 00
          +4
          Jews have always been not indifferent to Ukraine. Again, they wanted to make Crimea a Jewish Soviet Republic. Stalin did not give it. And today in Ukraine, Jews rule.

          PS... In 1952, Molotov was urged to come up with a proposal to create the 16th republic on the territory of Crimea. Read Stalin's answer to this initiative, interesting.
          1. Sergey Tokarev Offline Sergey Tokarev
            Sergey Tokarev (Sergey Tokarev) 10 October 2020 10: 04
            -1
            and who should steer there?))) Ukraine is "represented" by five Nobel laureates and all Jews. not opanas parasyuk will be the president ... who knows how to steer and he steers. especially before the arrival of Rurik, this was their land.
            1. Natan bruk Offline Natan bruk
              Natan bruk (Natan Bruk) 10 October 2020 10: 11
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              What, seriously, as many as 5? And who, I wonder?
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  8. Natan bruk Offline Natan bruk
    Natan bruk (Natan Bruk) 10 October 2020 10: 09
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    Yes, with you it makes no sense in another way :))) You live in a parallel reality.
  9. rotkiv04 Offline rotkiv04
    rotkiv04 (Victor) 10 October 2020 15: 25
    +2
    so he is a Jew, he can, in which case he will say that all anti-Semites
  • KYYC Offline KYYC
    KYYC (OXOTHuK) 10 October 2020 09: 33
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    Almost half of the Russian population was against the introduction of troops into Ukraine.
    Many Russian radicals went to fight for Ukraine in the ranks of the National Battalions.
    The Russian military were already there as volunteers. Could you then reach the borders of the DPR and LPR regions? They could. But the US military would also include + planes + helicopters + the latest weapons.
    And this is a long war and even a possible loss.
    But now Crimea is ours, and the LDNR is holding on.

    The main thing now is the president of Ukraine, showman Zelensky, less aggressive, less ambitious.
    1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 12 October 2020 11: 28
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      Quote: KYYC
      Almost half of the Russian population was against the introduction of troops into Ukraine.

      What are the results of the research, let me know? And is the opinion of the population in this matter of decisive importance?
  • Dmitry S. Offline Dmitry S.
    Dmitry S. (Dmitry Sanin) 10 October 2020 09: 36
    +4
    History does not tolerate the subjunctive mood.
  • Igor Pavlovich Offline Igor Pavlovich
    Igor Pavlovich (Igor Pavlovich) 10 October 2020 10: 11
    -4
    Traitors and separatists are all like that - they like to rake in the heat with someone else's hands. Themselves, at the same time, will change their last name Khomenko or Patrenko to Volkonsky and, just in case, put under the pillow and the flag of Russia and Ukraine and two Belarusian - white-red and red-green ...
  • Oleg Osadchiy Offline Oleg Osadchiy
    Oleg Osadchiy (Oleg Osadchiy) 10 October 2020 10: 12
    +3
    I would like to know, is this fiery analyst from a small mind, or is it still being paid for?
  • staer-62 Offline staer-62
    staer-62 (Andrei) 10 October 2020 10: 33
    0
    Nobody knows what will happen tomorrow and there was a hope of avoiding blood. Like all ordinary people, I am for tough measures, but over time we saw who is who in Ukraine. 80 percent of Ukrainian citizens are Banderites ready to kill and surpass in maniac desires for women and children of their ancestors. Maybe someone thought that those Bandera during the Second World War is the pinnacle of atrocity turned out to be not. Modern Ukrainians are the same and why do we need to save them, let them in. murderers, rapists, manki whose hands are knee-deep in blood, who have always hated Russians. Do you want an ATO officer who killed children in Donbass in your house on the same floor? In words, they will be for everything good, but you cannot trust them. Those who believe the Ukrainians will pay with their lives and their children. Already in conversations, they say that they will subside until the time if anything.
  • Many_ways_point Offline Many_ways_point
    Many_ways_point 10 October 2020 10: 43
    -4
    Good article, well done author.
  • Tamara Smirnova Offline Tamara Smirnova
    Tamara Smirnova (Tamara Smirnova) 10 October 2020 11: 20
    -3
    No mistakes. It would be a mistake to get involved in a war for non-brothers. It is fortunate that they are not brothers and loudly declared this. They are a rotten branch that needs to be chopped off. Ingratitude is the worst sin, and scacloids are just ungrateful ...
    1. Larisa Larisa Offline Larisa Larisa
      Larisa Larisa (Larisa Larisa) 10 October 2020 19: 52
      +3
      It was a mistake to substitute Donbass for your Crimea.
  • boriz Offline boriz
    boriz (boriz) 10 October 2020 11: 42
    +2
    Putin did not bring in the troops quite correctly. The attitude of the population was not the same. This would be unambiguously perceived as the occupation of the "bloody redhead" and would immediately sit on our neck. The support of Crimea and the LPNR clearly showed that control over Ukraine for the Russian Federation would be absolutely unbearable. And people who criticize Putin for not doing this are very suspicious to me. These people do not wish well for Russia. If Putin followed this insane advice, Russia would instantly have what the West has not been able to achieve for many years - the mass of the population taking to the streets. The people are already on the brink, and the introduction of troops into Ukraine would have blown up Russia in late 2014 - early 2015. In addition to the, probably already planned by the IMF and clearly executed by Nabiullina, the devaluation of the ruble. Then everything would work out for them.
    I remember well the broadcast of autumn 2013. (Montyan recently refreshed her memory), when those characters who then fed on Solovyov's for many years and in 60 minutes, together and efficiently stomped across the Russian Federation and sprinkled irrepressible Russophobia in all directions. There were Elena Bondarenko and Karasev, the late Berezhnaya, Oleinik, well, everything, everything, everything ...
    All those who sharply became pro-Russian when they, the regionals (in the local - rygov), were removed from the trough.
    Even in Donbass, for a long time it was a problem to recruit people into the local armed forces. Later, when the new government showed itself in all its glory ("blown up air conditioners", Points U in the yards, killed pregnant women). About a week ago I saw the broadcast of the NASH channel, where a guy from Donetsk broke through. When asked what Ukraine should do to make Donbass want to return, Alexander replied: "Nothing. We would rather die than return." It took 7 years of life at war.
    And in 2014. everything was completely unclear. The enterprises were still working, quietly fading away, the show-off was still pounding, the people were eating Moskalsky baby cakes, life went on its own way.
    Now the people have begun to understand where they have been led.
    1. boriz Offline boriz
      boriz (boriz) 10 October 2020 11: 42
      +4
      Many (yes, the majority) would now only be glad to include Ukraine in the Russian Federation. But this cannot be done either. The phenomenon of Ukrainian zakrebetnichestvo combined with incredible Ukrainian aplomb will instantly restore the exacerbation of Russophobia.
      Because:

      Stuffing impossible to turn back
      And you can't restore meat from cutlets ...


      I heard this paraphrase of the song "Ancient Clock" by Pugacheva from Montyan. But Montyan also does not understand the deep meaning of these words. She dreams that Ukraine will be in Russia again. But like Ukraine.
      And this is impossible (see above).
      The Ukrainians will wait for Russia to do everything as it was: to restore the enterprises destroyed by them and they will again drive the goods to Russia.
      But to this:
      Firstly, there is no money, and it’s a pity to throw money in the trash. They are earned.
      Secondly, everything that was previously bought in Ukraine is already produced in the Russian Federation.
      Thirdly, who, in their right mind, would think of trusting them with products that ensure the security of the Russian Federation?
      Fourthly, what, should we return everything that we have mastered by running in production (and, as a rule, modernized) to Ukraine, and leave our workers without work?
      Therefore, Ukraine will be driven to complete collapse and, then, after the pro-Russian elite is brought to power in the regions, gradually, in separate territories, will be included in the Russian Federation. It will be an agrarian and raw material outskirts. Southwestern Federal District. We chose it ourselves.
      No Ukraine.
      Kharkiv region, Dnepropetrovsk, Zaporozhye, Nikolaev, etc.
      And the unwanted contingent from the annexed regions is gradually squeezed out of the West.
      1. Sergey Tokarev Offline Sergey Tokarev
        Sergey Tokarev (Sergey Tokarev) 10 October 2020 11: 58
        -2
        not to the west but to the center. Romanians, Hungarians, Poles will write the same thing.
        1. boriz Offline boriz
          boriz (boriz) 10 October 2020 12: 06
          +3
          No, to the west. And then give the Lviv region to Poland. Their toad will strangle, they will not refuse.
          And this contingent of Poles, on the sly, will cut out. And everyone will avert their eyes to the side with thin smiles, like, not noticing.
          1. Sergey Tokarev Offline Sergey Tokarev
            Sergey Tokarev (Sergey Tokarev) 10 October 2020 12: 10
            -6
            all the maps of the division of Ukraine that the late Mozgovoy, the Poles, and the Americans have in their series "Madame Secretary of State" are the same. Novorossiya, Malopolsha, Transcarpathia, Bukovina and the reserve for the mentally ill-Little Russia. everything is agreed. only Ukrainians are against. but who will ask them ?!
            1. boriz Offline boriz
              boriz (boriz) 10 October 2020 12: 18
              +1
              Now there is another version. Leaving a bunch of crazy people in the center of Ukraine is dangerous. All to squeeze out to the west under Poland. They have a lot of experience with polonization. And Little Russia (5 - 6 northern regions) to give Belarus, a new reincarnation of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania. Well, the south of Lithuania is there too.
              In general, those who are in a mild form - for the re-education of the Belarusians. Those who need radical intervention are Poles. These can.
              1. Sergey Tokarev Offline Sergey Tokarev
                Sergey Tokarev (Sergey Tokarev) 10 October 2020 12: 29
                -6
                from the 17th century, the Russian Empire re-educated them. from the 20th USSR. before that the Poles. zero sense. Belarusians are not yet able to educate themselves. and what is dangerous? no weapons, equipment rotted, factories plundered. The nuclear power plant will be shut down, the floor of Zaporozhye will be washed away. the resource of dams has long been exhausted and there is no repair, etc. No one will engage in genocide even of complete nonentities. it is a loss of reputation. will cope themselves.
                1. boriz Offline boriz
                  boriz (boriz) 10 October 2020 12: 44
                  +2
                  These people will produce agricultural products. Aren't you afraid to eat what they do? You will not always be able to control this.
                  After the division of the world into currency zones, no one will interfere in a foreign zone (well, about 50 years). But the head of the zone will be obliged to ensure order in the zone. By any means.
                  That is, people need to be provided with a minimum of work and living standards. Otherwise, questions will arise to the head of the zone.
                  Why engage in the re-education of the faulty outskirts ourselves? We are the metropolis. And if the methods turn out to be harsh, it is not the excesses of the performer that can be blamed.
                  Times are approaching tough, Regimes everywhere will be set in the range between Stalin's and fascist (namely fascist, like Mussolini's, and not Nazi, like Hitler's).
                  There is nothing terrible in this. Before WWII in continental Europe there were only 3 states that did not have a fascist regime: the USSR, France, Czechoslovakia.
                  1. Sergey Tokarev Offline Sergey Tokarev
                    Sergey Tokarev (Sergey Tokarev) 10 October 2020 12: 52
                    -2
                    what products? wheat with impurities as it is now or rapeseed and soybeans for technical needs? 5-10 million in fields owned by agricultural holdings. and I still don't use their products.
                    1. boriz Offline boriz
                      boriz (boriz) 10 October 2020 12: 54
                      +3
                      As I say, you cannot always control what a Russian manufacturer has put into a product.
                      1. Sergey Tokarev Offline Sergey Tokarev
                        Sergey Tokarev (Sergey Tokarev) 10 October 2020 12: 58
                        -2
                        soy with rapeseed is added to gasoline ... it is not eaten. palm trees for oil they do not grow ...
                      2. boriz Offline boriz
                        boriz (boriz) 10 October 2020 13: 04
                        +2
                        Soy is not added to gasoline, it is protein. And it's not a fact that you don't eat it in some kind of meat product.
                        Rape is oil, not gasoline, but diesel fuel.
                        That's it, I'm gone, I have business.
                      3. Sergey Tokarev Offline Sergey Tokarev
                        Sergey Tokarev (Sergey Tokarev) 10 October 2020 13: 13
                        -2
                        Soybeans and rapeseed are crops rich in vegetable oils. They are widely used to produce biodiesel and biofuels for jet engines in aircraft. and you will not use Ukrainian products but some kind of monsanto. and the Ukrainians are only slaves there. you won't stop eating Polish apples and strawberries because they are harvested by Ukrainians?)))
                      4. boriz Offline boriz
                        boriz (boriz) 10 October 2020 18: 22
                        +2
                        I don't eat Polish apples and strawberries. And not because Ukrainians collect them.
  • rotkiv04 Offline rotkiv04
    rotkiv04 (Victor) 10 October 2020 15: 35
    0
    I support a hundred, the main thing is no Ukraine and Ukrainians, only the regions and, at best, Little Russians
  • Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
    Marzhecki (Sergei) 12 October 2020 11: 30
    -1
    Quote: boriz
    Putin did not bring in the troops quite correctly. The attitude of the population was not the same. This would be unambiguously perceived as the occupation of the "bloody redhead" and would immediately sit on our neck.

    I don't understand how you can write this now, after Belarus? Aren't you ashamed yourself?
  • steelmaker Offline steelmaker
    steelmaker 10 October 2020 12: 45
    -6
    so successfully that the RF Armed Forces are now considered, in fact, the number 1 army in the world)

    Shoigu stopped the collapse of the army, which is why it is now considered strong. You still tell us that we also needed the Mistrals? For the rest, everything is written frankly straight. And with evidence, the video is credited. I personally read information on the Internet about $ 40 billion on Putin's accounts in Swiss banks. The US has threatened Putin to freeze them if he does not confine himself to Crimea. But then this information abruptly disappeared and I could not confirm it. Therefore, I never voiced it anywhere, before your article.

    To live with dignity, you need to speak correctly and boldly,
    how to chop wood.
    To please and humble oneself is not to be friends,
    it is to slaughter yourself.
    They don’t respect those, they don’t take care of them,
    for those helpful there will be a path like a whip.
    Do everything honestly, say it right
    from the beginning it will be difficult, but the result is a reward.
    1. boriz Offline boriz
      boriz (boriz) 10 October 2020 13: 02
      +5
      Shoigu became MO in 2012, and Caliber flew in 2015. And I was ready before, just its range was not announced aloud.
      Can you imagine the duration of the design and development cycle in the production of new complex equipment?
      Serdyukov ensured the work of the financing schemes (with Vasilyeva's direct participation, she was not at all a fool, under which she so successfully mowed) the defense industry and the smoke screen in the form of a "defeat" of the army, and Borisov (deputy of the Ministry of Defense) was engaged in specific matters. As it is easy to see, they did nothing wrong to Serdyukov and Borisov became Deputy Prime Minister.
    2. Volkonsky Offline Volkonsky
      Volkonsky (Vladimir) 10 October 2020 20: 24
      0
      I wanted to answer you, steelmaker, but Boris did everything for me. Serdyukov-Taburetkin is a classic cover operation, a smokescreen, in 2007, after Munich, the Russian Federation could not yet so clearly oppose the West, therefore, the speech of the GDP before the Federal Assembly on March 1, 2018 with the showing of cartoons from Oboronprom, and became such a shock, a cold shower for our sworn friends. All our toys, starting with Sarmat, Vanguard, Poseidon, Peresvet, Dagger, Petrel, and ending with Calibers and Zircons, both land-based and sea-based, were forged in deep secrecy for more than a dozen years, and we needed not to be disturbed ... It was not in vain that VVP worked in intelligence - pretended to be a rag and did not shine, but now we have a 20-year advantage over the United States and a 30-year advantage over China in these developments.

      https://proza.ru/2018/03/26/2009

      - read at your leisure
  • Dust Offline Dust
    Dust (Sergei) 10 October 2020 13: 16
    +2
    One thing the author is right, Ukraine should have been liberated! Then there would be no imitation of the American B-52 strike on Russia, there were no negotiations on the deployment of a British military base on the Black Sea, various NATO exercises ... And now we are waiting for the deployment of US missile defense systems on the border with the Kursk region ... After all, the interests of raw materials are companies turned out to be higher than the state ones. Now we have what we have. As far as Putin's money in the West is concerned, complete nonsense! .... When they want to remove an objectionable government, the West begins to suck on the topic of corruption, theft .... Remember the times of Yeltsin when he came to power! Everyone was talking about "the gold of the party." Yeltsin achieved his goal! The gold theme is dead. Navalny works the same way .... the benefit of the CIA coached him on this topic when he was studying in the United States.
    1. Many_ways_point Offline Many_ways_point
      Many_ways_point 10 October 2020 15: 47
      -5
      Regarding Putin's money in the West, complete nonsense

      Read it at your leisure. I myself consider Navalny to be a marginal and a demagogue, but FBK's investigations deserve respect. A lot of interesting things come up.

      https://navalny.com/p/4803/
      1. Dust Offline Dust
        Dust (Sergei) 10 October 2020 17: 30
        +2
        I was not lazy, I went to this site, read ... I will say one thing, some unsubstantiated accusations! As I wrote above, this is US technology! To blame the opponent for everything ... Hailey - Likely .... Now Navalny has accused Schroeder of corruption, this is a very serious accusation. Merkel went into a stupor! In Germany, it is NOT ALLOWED to accuse a person without proof !!! This is not Russia. If Navalny loses the trial to Schroeder, it will be a scandal for the ruling party and it will suffer reputational losses .... By the way, a question for you !!! ' Why do you believe in everything Novalny wrote?
        1. Many_ways_point Offline Many_ways_point
          Many_ways_point 10 October 2020 20: 13
          -2
          And I did not say that I believe in everything that Navalny writes, these are some of your inventions, my friend. Moreover, I characterized him as a marginal and demagogue, you would use your brain at least occasionally.
          And I will say more, if you did it more often, you would have noticed a link there, clicking on which there would be evidence.

          https://issuu.com/novayagazeta/docs/

          It should be a shame. An adult with the intelligence of a child.
          1. Dust Offline Dust
            Dust (Sergei) 10 October 2020 23: 15
            +2
            FBK is a non-profit organization created by Alexey Navalny. ... I do not believe Navalny, but I do believe FBK! The one who really has no brains is you! The fact that you write is purely neighing!)
  • akarfoxhound Offline akarfoxhound
    akarfoxhound 10 October 2020 15: 47
    +3
    It pins me when the "authors" of such articles attribute the combat readiness of the army to Tolibasik Taburetkin. Gentlemen, you were in the army before him, during his "reforms" and after him, eh? Or do you make "profound" conclusions from behind the fence by reading the "Battle leaf" of the political officer? I am absolutely sure that, not knowing the realities of this topic, it is the business of such "experts" to stick their language deeply, so that everyone would not see the shit, paraphrasing Pyotr Alekseevich. negative
    1. Volkonsky Offline Volkonsky
      Volkonsky (Vladimir) 10 October 2020 20: 33
      0
      First of all, you don't need to tell me what to do, then I won't tell you where to go! This time! And secondly, for a failed work in the Ministry of Defense, they are not appointed to manage the "Russian Helicopters", and then the largest in Europe PJSC UAC (google at your leisure what it is!). And they do not give security and a flashing light for life, but put them in a cell, like Vasilyeva, on bread and water. Don’t you?
      1. Bitter Offline Bitter
        Bitter (Gleb) 19 October 2020 00: 28
        +1
        "... they don't give security and flashing lights for life, but put them in a cell ..."

        They do not abandon their own, they just first put it in the shade, and then again along the knurled one. It's simple, this practice has not been tested even in Russia. For one is the Lord and must capture themselves in the "history", over there in the temple already in full face and in profile, they were immortalized during their lifetime. Here is a "rebellious" governor, if he is not one of his own, you can first go into development, and then, with fanfare, into zugunder. laughing
  • Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 10 October 2020 18: 01
    -2
    And, again, someone knows better than Putin what Putin himself thinks ...
    Telepathists got divorced in the media - to hell ...

    In fact, what has been done has been verified and we got exactly what we wanted. Buffer zone.
    Fortunately, there was Ossetia, Abkhazia and Transnistria ... everything worked out.

    And fiction - Putin's accounts - an extreme scam.
    And we, and they have for a long time, about 100 years, for example, for Thieves in the Law, accounts are not drawn up. The Accountant is in charge of the money. They are the ones who are trying to get their hands on, or fill up, mafiosi in the showdown.
  • To occupy ukrov meant to put 40 freeloaders on the necks of the Russian people! And figurines!
    1. Wanderer039 Offline Wanderer039
      Wanderer039 10 October 2020 18: 24
      +2
      Kaliningrad was annexed to the RSFSR, the Germans were all evicted. What prevents from doing the same today, except for the slobbering of the leadership of the Russian Federation ?! Yes, nothing interferes!
    2. Bitter Offline Bitter
      Bitter (Gleb) 19 October 2020 00: 31
      0
      on the neck of the Russian people 40 lyam freeloaders!

      negative There, for the most part, there is the Russian people, which all sorts of drunks and grabbers have "forgotten" when dividing and selling their homeland.
  • Wanderer039 Offline Wanderer039
    Wanderer039 10 October 2020 18: 21
    +2
    There is a lot that Putin and his company should do. Stop trampling on the shores of the Yeltsin swamp, for example, which brings only misfortune to the Russian Federation ... Do not distribute the lands and seas of the Russian Federation to Norway, China and Azerbaijan, because it was not they who annexed them to Russia, they were not even given away ... the model of Saudi Arabia, so as not to catch patriots of foreign states spying against the Russian Federation in the Russian Federation ... Yes, a lot of things, but alas ...

    After Peter the Great, Russia was unlucky for tsars

    from the movie "Big Change"
    1. marciz Offline marciz
      marciz (Stas) 11 October 2020 04: 00
      0
      Quote: Wanderer039
      There is a lot that Putin and his company should do. Stop trampling on the shores of the Yeltsin swamp, for example, which brings only misfortune to the Russian Federation ... Do not distribute the lands and seas of the Russian Federation to Norway, China and Azerbaijan, because it was not they who annexed them to Russia, they were not even given away ... the model of Saudi Arabia, so as not to catch patriots of foreign states spying against the Russian Federation in the Russian Federation ... Yes, a lot of things, but alas ...

      After Peter the Great, Russia was unlucky for tsars

      from the movie "Big Change"

      Then take it after Ivan the Terrible !!!!
    2. Marina Kazakova Offline Marina Kazakova
      Marina Kazakova (Marina Kazakova) 11 October 2020 13: 32
      0
      from the movie "We'll Live Until Monday"
  • staer-62 Offline staer-62
    staer-62 (Andrei) 10 October 2020 19: 34
    0
    What is the word truna in Ukrainian? Already in 14, the Ukrainians wrote to me in the comments that we, the Russians, would prepare a truna for our children. There was such a Mr Genei.
  • Kuramori Reika Offline Kuramori Reika
    Kuramori Reika (Kuramori Reika) 10 October 2020 21: 01
    -4
    And he did very well that he did not enter. To contain the whole country of thieves and parasites. We need to save money and rebuild the country, not feed and protect Ukraine.
  • high Offline high
    high (Anatoly) 10 October 2020 21: 21
    -2
    The USSR fought with the UPA for another 10 years, after the end of the Second World War .... Russia did not have the strength to seize all of Ukraine.
  • RFR Offline RFR
    RFR (RFR) 10 October 2020 21: 45
    -3
    They did not bring in troops - and rightly so, our boys still didn’t have enough to fight for the pan-head, and then the bacchanalia could be strangled very easily without the introduction of troops, it was enough to completely stop all economic ties, and Ukraine would be covered with a copper basin in a couple of months, and no West They would not have been helped, but they did not do this - because the hucksters have no conscience, they still trade with Bandera (for example, Sberbank and VTB) ...
  • steelmaker Offline steelmaker
    steelmaker 10 October 2020 21: 57
    +1
    Serdyukov ensured the operation of financing schemes

    Serdyukov-Taburetkin is a classic cover operation, a smoke screen

    I understood you. Therefore, Chubais still rules here. It turns out that this is a cover operation and the work of financial schemes! Well done boys. Have you tried to get a job as lawyers for Efremov?
  • marciz Offline marciz
    marciz (Stas) 11 October 2020 03: 58
    0
    Quote: Lysik001
    The author mixed everything in one heap. Why should Russia have to fight for this scum of Yanukovych? With what aplomb he constantly behaved! Moreover, this multi-vector approach, be it wrong. We go to the EU, we don’t go. And our soldiers were supposed to die, don't understand why. Everything is easy and simple for the author! Yes, there would be no victims, yes this and that. And he sits on the sofa and scribbles all these nonsense and you go and fight. No dear! Himself go where you want and Putin did everything right then. Ukrov cannot be corrected! They were the same in the USSR and remained so, and there is no need to go into their swamp.

    Sirozha 4 NUCLEAR POWER PLANTS for you to understand the situation littleooo !!!! If something happened on them in one day, Russia would remain a deeply Northern country for centuries with radiation sometimes blowing out from the vastness of Ukraine. This is why the Kremlin is preparing for the battle for the Arctic because Ukraine has been overlooked. Sew sheepskin coats gentlemen !!!!
    1. Marina Kazakova Offline Marina Kazakova
      Marina Kazakova (Marina Kazakova) 11 October 2020 13: 50
      +2
      there was no need for our guys to go to war, there was just no need to organize Minsk 1,2. Donetsk at that time was defeating Ukraine, as an example Ilovaiskiy pot, Izvarinsky, battles for the airport, etc., and the Ukrainian army at that time was morally broken. And we also accepted their deserters on our side and treated them. As a result of the unnecessary Minsk, the war has been going on for 7 years, and there is no end in sight. During this period, the Ukrainians were supplied with other people's weapons, psychologically prepared, they began to consider this war work. They do not want to do anything else. And the residents of Donbass consider this war to be a liberation one, although not all. Some have adapted, receive a pension both there and in Ukraine. The inhabitants of Ukraine, to a greater extent, have adapted to these realities and aggressively turned against us. There were fewer aggressive-minded then. And now Minsk can no longer be canceled, they have buried it, the only decision, in my opinion, is not to sell them anything. From a word at all. But, alas, our oligarchs will not do this and Putin does not interfere in this, why, I cannot understand, sorry though.
  • Perpedul perpedulin (Perpedul Perpedulin) 11 October 2020 22: 27
    +1
    The author is naive and far from politics and international law. It makes sense for him to learn or not to go where he does not understand.
    1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 12 October 2020 11: 32
      0
      What academies did you graduate from, curious?
  • akarfoxhound Offline akarfoxhound
    akarfoxhound 16 October 2020 14: 00
    +1
    Firstly, unlike the couch hacks, I have been in aviation professionally for 3 decades, this opens the world for you to learn about the surrounding "Google". Razz! laughing
    Secondly, if, without being present for half a Monday in the army and as a result, as a result, possessing a zero concept of his actions in the troops, you seriously think that "for a failed work in the Defense Ministry, they are not appointed to manage Russian Helicopters, and then the largest PJSC UAC in Europe (Google at your leisure what it is!). And they do not give guards and a flashing light for life, "and walking with a month's imprisonment in Moscow boutiques" is put in a cell, like Vasilyeva, on bread and water ", then I can well doubt that you sculpt your opuses in Russia. If yes, then one of you is a military journalist / analyst, as from the prima mariinsky - a port loader. This is dvzz !! laughing
    And thirdly - I did not tell you what to do, but advised you not to write about what you have no idea about (leave your knowledge of the media and the Internet to yourself and your own kind) This is trizz! wink
  • Bart Offline Bart
    Bart (Bart) 17 October 2020 10: 35
    0
    And all the same, why did Landsknecht Busthalter come to Russia and what did he tell Vladimir Putin?