“Normal Ukrainians themselves have to put things in order…” - is this statement true?


"Normal Ukrainians themselves must put things in order ..." Only after that they will be able to count on this or that help and support from Russia. Alas, it is this idea that has recently become more and more clearly the leitmotif of any discussion about a state transforming from a “non-brotherly” into an openly hostile state with its capital in Kiev and its citizens.


Would you like to know how such thoughts and appeals are perceived by the very “normal” (who categorically reject the Maidan coup d'etat and the national thieves' junta brought to power by it, who speak, think and feel in Russian) the inhabitants of this land? I will gladly tell you - on human rights, it belongs to this category.

"Take down the power for one or two ..."


Alas, in the process of writing this article, I will have, in particular, to discuss with one of the most respected authors of our resource - Alexey Pishenkov... What can you do - it remains only to recall the saying about the brilliant Greek philosopher and the primacy of truth ... In any case, his advice to Ukrainians "to throw off power by one or two", because they "usually do well" or "and live like this, since everything suits you", is, to put it mildly, completely untenable. The fact that in the process of the two “Maidans” (2004 and 2013-2014) that were probably in view of the government, it was not the Ukrainian people who “overthrew” the authorities, but completely different forces, is so well known and obvious that it does not need any proof. This kind of "revolution" - it does not matter, "velvet", like in Georgia, bloody, like in Ukraine or their attempts taking place right now in Belarus, are in fact the fruit of the consensus of local oligarchs and political clans, as well as external forces using their ambitions.

Behind each such coup there are colossal efforts of the intelligence and diplomatic services, huge funds and other resources. Each "Maidan" begins with the deployment in the country of a network of relevant non-governmental organizations (NGOs), the creation of controlled and "feeding" the existing media. This is in the shortest and most schematic presentation. Without such a foundation, any really popular protests either soon fade away by themselves, turning into outright margins, or develop into a classic "senseless and merciless" rebellion, incapable of doing absolutely anything except the destruction of everything that comes at hand.

Is Russia ready to take concrete actions in Ukraine to change the government through something resembling a "Maidan"? The answer is obvious. This is impossible now and was unthinkable in 2014. I can hardly imagine, for example, Mrs. Zakharova, like Miss Nuland, handing out cookies or something else equally nutritious on Khreshchatyk. To act in support of insurgents loyal to it, like its Western opponents - openly, publicly and assertively, Moscow either cannot, or does not want to. Let me remind you - in all the same 2014, not the slightest support was received by quite real "Anti-Maidans" in Odessa or Kharkov. People died, many ended up in dungeons. This is not at all a reproach, but only a statement of a well-known fact. Subsequently, the "elections" that legitimized the rabble that came to power as a result of the "Maidan" were recognized by Moscow - as, by the way, all subsequent ones. All political forces that are somewhat pro-Russian or at least moderate in relations with the neighboring country have been ruthlessly "cleaned out" - including through physical destruction.

Tinsel and buffoonery Ukrainian "opposition", defending oligarchic interests, we do not take into account and do not even discuss - it is extremely disgusting. And, by the way, the real masters of the country - all the same oligarchs who felt great under Yanukovych and now profit from the war and "Rotterdam Plus", are happy with everything. They don't need any revolutions for nothing. And after that, "normal Ukrainians" must "independently change the government" ?! Sorry, this is a complete disregard of reality and profanation. Anyone can arrange a new "Maidan" in Kiev today, but not supporters of reunification or at least the normalization of relations with Russia.

The partisans went on a campaign ...


Fortunately, the author of the one I quoted text at least he does not suggest that the inhabitants of Ukraine "deploy a partisan movement" aimed at fighting the nationalist authorities and their henchmen. But there are also those who in all seriousness declare: "We must fight!" To create an underground, take up arms and heroically resist ... Moreover, the times of the Great Patriotic War are cited as an example, when on the territory of the same Ukraine, whole units of popular avengers acted on a large scale, giving no breath to either the invaders or their minions: “Then we could, with a much stronger and more cruel enemy, but now - the guts are thin ?! " Not in the gut, sorry, it's the case. In this case, we have the same substitution of concepts, only in an even worse version.

The guerrilla movement in the form and scale that existed in 1941-1943 in the occupied territories would have been completely impossible without the colossal assistance of the "Big Land" - organizational, material, personnel. And most importantly - without a clear understanding that somewhere there is Moscow, and in it the Kremlin, and in the Kremlin Stalin. Without faith that the Red Army will come and liberate. Let me remind you that the task of the people's avengers was by no means establishing control over the lands captured by the Nazis, but the maximum diversion of the Wehrmacht's forces and resources from the front for the ultimate victory of the Red Army. What followed in the end. All modern "guerrilla wars", firstly, are fueled by resources (weapons, instructors, money) from the outside, and secondly, as a rule, they degenerate into a sluggish confrontation with government troops for decades, with sitting out in dense jungle. But there is no jungle in Ukraine. As there is no force, with the hope of which it is possible to deploy an armed struggle against the pack that has captured the country. Fight and die for the return of Yanukovych ?! Thank you humbly ...

Without clear guidelines, goals and leadership, any forceful “fight against the regime” will result in either the most banal terrorism, or an abomination similar to the Bandera regime - with its disgusting “raids” and bloody forays. Whom to kill? Representatives of the authorities? They are protected from this more than reliably, and a dozen others will take the place of each killed - even more cynical and greedy. Teachers conducting forced "Ukrainization" of schools? So this is the path of the OUN-UPA, hated by every normal Ukrainian. In addition, any military action will be enthusiastically received by both local radicals and figures like Avakov and Turchinov. She will completely untie their hands and allow them to deploy terror against dissidents in full force and breadth. Will they come and rescue? Sorry, I doubt it. There was already a chance. Another “way out for normal people” that is often proposed is emigration to Russia. It's tempting. Here is the dear Mr. Pishenkov invites everyone to "accept with the granting of citizenship." Citizenship is great. What about work? Housing? Let not in Moscow, St. Petersburg, not luxurious, but worthy. This, again, is not an extortionate claim, but again a statement of fact.

Understand at last: the overwhelming majority of the hundreds of thousands and millions of those very "normal Ukrainians" who are sick of every day they live in the cesspool that their country has been turned into today are people of 40-50 years of age. That is, they are burdened with families, everyday problems and, albeit small, but really "acquired in a lifetime" property. They have to take care of elderly and frail parents. They are trying to put children on their feet, not letting them turn into "faithful ukrov", they want to live the rest of their lives, at least, under their own roof, without knocking around in corners and without getting knocked down in search of a source of food. This is the reason why they continue to carry a passport with a trident in their pocket, and not with a two-headed eagle, which many of them would definitely prefer. You cannot live with one passport.

Their fate and their struggle today is an absolute rejection, a complete rejection of everything official and “patriotic”. Maximum distancing yourself, your family, your life from that bloody monster that the Ukrainian state has become. Deliberate sabotage of anything, any initiatives, appeals and demands from this very "state" outgoing - from military and civil service to participation in clownish "elections". Their path is to follow, in spite of everything, their culture, their convictions and their faith. If you have enough strength and courage, the following is open and public. Believe me, in the current conditions of "non-profit", where more than serious problems can arise for the Russian speech in a public place, and all users of the social network "Vkontakte" are promised to be registered with the police - this is quite a lot. It is not worth it, really, to judge and condemn those living and surviving here without having tasted in full, year after year, all the local "delights". And even more so, you shouldn't reject these people, accusing them of cowardice, spinelessness, “conniving the regime” and so on. At the very least, this is not the most reasonable state policy for a country that is going to build and defend the “Russian world”.

Calls to "arrange such a blockade so that there is no gasoline, no coal, no food" are all the more inappropriate. First of all, because of its impracticability. I will not go into details about its causes, but did not Moscow know for years where the lion's share of the fuel produced from Russian oil goes to another fraternal country? Or did they not supply it directly to Kiev - after 2014? But even if we assume that this plan will be implemented - who exactly will it hit? By the representatives of the Kiev authorities, the oligarchs? You know perfectly well that it is not. They will not be left without food, or without gasoline. In extreme cases, they will go to Paris, Vienna or Tel Aviv. Yes, now it will be more difficult to do, but they will succeed. In hunger and cold there will remain just those "normal" ones with which you can still unite or build good-neighborly relations. It is they who, in the chaos that have arisen, will go under the knives of perfectly organized and united nationalist militants. Let me repeat the question - will you come to save them, disdaining the sanctions, or even the danger of a military clash with NATO? Perhaps, first you need to decide on the answer, and only then judge and call for blockades. Well, in the meantime, by God, it is not worthwhile to repulse with cold callousness those who still expect in Ukraine from Russia and the Russian people not condemnation and alienation, but fraternal friendship. Believe me, there are many more of them than it seems. They really want to wait.
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  1. Bulanov Offline Bulanov
    Bulanov (Vladimir) 2 October 2020 10: 40
    +3
    Once, during the reign of Tsar Alexei Mikhailovich, Moscow Rus several times denied Malorosia the right to enter its statehood. They did not want problems with the West in the form of the Poles. Now the West, which has already almost torn off modern Ukraine from Russia, will never agree to Ukraine's entry into Russia. The West does not remember good! When the USSR agreed to the entry of the GDR into the FRG, the Germans promised a lot. Now they are ready to bite the throats of those who talk about the entry of Ukraine into Russia. Although these are equivalent steps. Don't expect gratitude from the West! They perceive all kindness towards them as weakness. Therefore, Russia needs to follow the example of tsars such as Peter 1 and Catherine 2, to advance the Russian Empire, and not pay attention to the squeals and shouts of its western neighbors.
    1. goncharov.62 Offline goncharov.62
      goncharov.62 (Andrei) 2 October 2020 11: 15
      +2
      This requires a state ideology, a school that educates patriots of Russia, a national self-sufficient economy, scientific potential working for Russia and in Russia and, of course, the closest and most reliable friends of Russia - its army, navy and air force. Then you can safely go to the grin. It is possible earlier - but ...
    2. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
      Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 2 October 2020 11: 25
      +3
      The opinion of the West is that this is the last thing that should worry the Russian Federation, and it is not only stupid, but also criminal to feed the traitors who were sick with Russophobia, who rode at the Bandera rallies, at the expense of the Russian Federation. The land can be returned, but like Kaliningrad, without the Russophobia sick of the UKROP fascists living there today. Let them at least take Poland, at least the United States, and if no one needs them, let them burn in hell, the Russian Federation does not need this bullshit sick of Russophobia.
    3. Sergey Tokarev Offline Sergey Tokarev
      Sergey Tokarev (Sergey Tokarev) 2 October 2020 11: 43
      -1
      And she did the right thing. Khmelnitsky's son sent Sheremetyev, who came to the rescue with the Poles, to the Turks. The Ukrainian went over to such hated Poles ... instead of a war with the Polish regiments, the Haidamaks preferred to slaughter their wives and children. How long did the Mazepa keep loyalty to Peter the first ???
  2. boriz Online boriz
    boriz (boriz) 2 October 2020 11: 08
    +3
    Citizenship is great. What about work? Housing? Let not in Moscow, St. Petersburg, not luxurious, but worthy.

    People are ahead of your questions. Work for normal people is. I'm talking about the real situation, what I know myself. Both employers and landlords make a choice between Ukrainians and Tajiks / Uzbeks / dzhigits.
    They are, first of all, quite young and able-bodied people who are driving their families. Perhaps the main motive is unwillingness to get into the ATO. Well, the lack of work in the independent Batkivshchyna. Evasion of the ATO has become a mass national sport in Ukraine. I've already heard many stories.
    Sane people do not want to get dirty in this. The attitude to ATO officers at the household level is bad.
    So, do not consider your fellow countrymen worse than they really are.
    And as for the fact that the Russians should come and do everything as it was - I must upset you, this will not happen. The USSR, ruled by the Ukrainian mafia, built a flourishing state twice for 70 years, everyone envy. So in the networks, Ukrainians still have the opinion: we built everything ourselves. Russians in 1941 blew up the Dnieper hydroelectric station, and the Ukrainians restored it. Sami, damn it ...
    And they have rapidly zeroed out this twice-built state in 30 years. Moreover, the first almost 20 years - on a dense subsidy from the Russian Federation. Gas was received at ridiculous prices, enterprises in Ukraine paid less for gas than Russian ones. As a result, Ukrainian energy-intensive products displaced Russian ones in the Russian market. From metallurgy to caramel production. If someone doesn't remember or don't know, the Russian market was flooded with Ukrainian caramel at ridiculous prices. For the reason that sugar caramelization is a long and energy intensive process.
    Putin dismissed this case and called Ukraine to order. As a result, the Ukrainians were offended: how, the freebie ended, and they found the last one - Tymoshenko. They planted her precisely for the signed gas contract.
    Nobody will restore the ditched industry. There are many reasons. Here are the main ones.
    1. Stupidly Russia has no extra money, and it’s a pity to throw the earned into the trash.
    2. Pensioners, and the people in general, are dissatisfied with poverty and can take to the streets. Crimea and Donbass have shown how much Russian support costs.
    But, if the people reacted with understanding to the support of Crimea and Donbass, then no one will restore the production and infrastructure pro ...
    wants to.
    3. Well, think for yourself: for the sake of saving Motor Sich and Yuzhmash, that Russia should close the running production of engines for missiles, aircraft / helicopters / ships and give it to Ukraine, having driven its people out of the gate?
    1. boriz Online boriz
      boriz (boriz) 2 October 2020 11: 13
      +1
      Should we stop funding our shipyards and rush to restore the Nikolaevsky plant? There are plenty of examples of this.
      Ukraine will remain the agrarian outskirts of the Russian world. We chose it ourselves.
      And you will also have to thank us for buying agricultural products. Unlike the EU, where no one is waiting for you. There is enough of this good and its own.
      And standing specialists, from factories closed by Ukraine, are already here.
  3. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
    Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 2 October 2020 11: 20
    +3
    With the tacit consent of the Ukrainians, whom the author has the stupidity and audacity to call normal, Bandera's bacchanalia and lawlessness is taking place in Ukraine. Those who pay taxes on the ATO, thus financing the genocide of the Russian people in Donbass, are accomplices in the Bandera crimes, and the author's thoughts are not normal, like his Ukrainians. He would also call those who pay for the services of hired killers normal ...
  4. Valentine Offline Valentine
    Valentine (Valentin) 2 October 2020 11: 30
    +1
    All these painful problems can be solved only by a big war, and the world will be divided between the winners, if there are any, both geographically, territorially and politically. Remember the end of the Second World War, when we did not liberate, but captured almost all of Europe, which fought with us on the side of Nazi Germany, and we put our people loyal to us in the communist international at the head of these countries, organized the Warsaw Pact, in response to NATO , and after that there was some kind of parity, and now, with the betrayal of our ruling elite of all sorts of Gorbachevs and Yeltsins, we have what we have - our former satellites instantly changed their shoes in the American style, and instantly became our ardent haters, and the United States, a stick and a carrot lured all our "brothers" to their side, and the result of this is that we are now alone, and for ourselves with all this evil pack. It's still good that our president at one time began to pay due attention to our armed forces, and their weapons, otherwise Russia would not have existed for a long time-Siberia would have been settled by the Chinese, the Far East-Japanese, the North-Scandinavians and the Yankees, the West-Bandeva, Poles and other Baltic willing, and the South would be occupied by the Ottomans-how do you like this treasure? Now we need to wait for what our president will say in his announced speech, addressing all UN members and the leaders of NATO and their countries, in which world we will continue to live, and against whom to be friends, and what kind of world order on our planet will be next - peace, or eternal confrontation ...... If there is no point, to annex the LDNR, Belarus, South and North Ossetia, Transnistria with a corridor, tightly close the iron curtain with all the EuroUSA, as it was before, and we have partners and in the Mediterranean, and in the Asia-Pacific region, and in India and China, there is plenty of it, because it was high time for us to understand - to live with wolves, howl like a wolf, and nothing else.
    1. boriz Online boriz
      boriz (boriz) 2 October 2020 11: 45
      +1
      Not so sad. It will do without a big war (if Trump wins, or else he was infected with the crown).
      The depression will continue now. The USA, to everyone's surprise, will begin to drain like water from a tank into a sewer. They will not be before the war. They will relatively peacefully divide the world into currency zones and begin to build a new model of the world.
      Even in our zone, a queue will line up, crawling on their knees.
      1. Sergey Tokarev Offline Sergey Tokarev
        Sergey Tokarev (Sergey Tokarev) 2 October 2020 12: 03
        -1
        who will we choose? those who are smarter and more hardworking or good ass licks and knocks to the authorities?
        1. boriz Online boriz
          boriz (boriz) 2 October 2020 12: 08
          +1
          The choice will be easier than the USSR. The zones will be painted and in the next 50 years no one will climb into other people's zones.
          Over the past 30 years (or even more), everyone has managed to define their attitude towards Russia.
          The fullness of the poured glass will depend on this.
          1. Sergey Tokarev Offline Sergey Tokarev
            Sergey Tokarev (Sergey Tokarev) 2 October 2020 12: 14
            -1
            is it like after World War II no one climbed into other people's zones?))) war in Korea, Vietnam, NATO countries, etc. after a glass in the kitchen, you can divide the moon into spheres of influence))) the "brothers" who swore eternal friendship were the first to betray. Who divided the USSR? Ukrainian, Azerbaijani and drunkard.
            1. boriz Online boriz
              boriz (boriz) 2 October 2020 12: 21
              +1
              Then the balance of power was different.
              The USA had a GDP (then - real) more than 50% of the world, and now - 17% (if real), less than in the 70s - 80s of the USSR.
              Europe, most likely, will not be able to pull its currency area at all. Even together. There won't be enough resources. Therefore, the WB and left the EU. And now the EU will definitely be left without its own zone.
              And the rest will develop their own zones, there will not even be work for 50 years.
              1. Sergey Tokarev Offline Sergey Tokarev
                Sergey Tokarev (Sergey Tokarev) 2 October 2020 12: 23
                0
                if only mushrooms had grown in your mouth .... the United States has not yet collapsed and it is not a fact that it will fall apart peacefully. they have a lot of crazy hawks like McCain. can and shoot last. their nuclear warheads and biological weapons all over the world ... and then it will instantly become ownerless. the same Ukrainians will run to smash laboratories with beautiful test tubes and non-ferrous metal in computers.
      2. Valentine Offline Valentine
        Valentine (Valentin) 2 October 2020 13: 14
        +2
        So the United States also needs such a war in order to level its internal mess, which will soon play in all seriousness there because of the upcoming elections, whoever wins them, and in a war in Europe, far from their shores, they can rise well ... .. There, we have been burying Ukraine for how many years, but it still exists, and will eat up on constant feeding of Europe and the United States, and will, at a certain time, a Washington ram against us, and if only this happens, then everyone will immediately fly vultures to Russia, and from the north, and from the south, and from the west and east.
  5. Sergey Tokarev Offline Sergey Tokarev
    Sergey Tokarev (Sergey Tokarev) 2 October 2020 12: 00
    -1
    In all Russia's wars with foreign invaders, the Ukrainians always readily came to the aid of ... the invaders. The pans are fighting, the Ukrainians are panning ... either they will attach the lions to them, then they will give them the Crimea ... this time they will have to lift their ass. especially since no one attacked Ukraine. Zelensky, legally elected by the majority of Ukrainians, did not seem to ask Russia for help))))
  6. King3214 Offline King3214
    King3214 (Sergius) 2 October 2020 12: 10
    +1
    "Ukraine / Ukrainians" is a project of the West. Russophobic project.
    The words "Ukrainian" and "Russophobe" are synonyms and interchangeable.
    So replace the words "Ukrainians" with the word "Russophobes" in your text and then you will get a real picture of the world, without ideological tinsel.
    1. Bulanov Offline Bulanov
      Bulanov (Vladimir) 2 October 2020 14: 25
      +1
      The Galician-Russian public figure N.I. Antonevich noted in 1907:

      “All of them [Ukrainian candidates at pre-election meetings] acted like Russians, like Rusyns; and there was almost no talk of Ukraine. In Staraya Salt, a young agitator dared to praise Rus-Ukraine, but the voters raised a sharp protest against that: “We are not Ukrainians, but Russians (Rusyns); We were Russian, and we will die Russian, ”cut off the electors. The agitator fell silent, and another vyborets remarked: "They call us Ukrainians, because we have not stolen anything." The general laughter knocked the agitator off his pantalyk completely. "
      1. King3214 Offline King3214
        King3214 (Sergius) 2 October 2020 16: 45
        0
        In 1907 year?
        American Google does not agree with you, because it did not manage to find any mass mention of the word "Ukrainian", right up to the beginning of the First World War - 1914.
        (And a single use is the same as with the word "shmudrik" in Russian - there is no general semantic load, but everyone is free to put their personal meaning into this word. It was the same with the word "Ukrainian" until 1914, each used it only in his only known meaning)
  7. Nikolay Malyugin (Nikolai Malyugin) 2 October 2020 13: 18
    +2
    There was a book "The CIA against the USSR" -NN Yakovlev. Wikipedia writes that this book was ordered by the KGB. But whatever it was, everything happened according to this book.

    What we have - we do not store, having lost - weep.
  8. ibn.shamai Offline ibn.shamai
    ibn.shamai (Vanya and the bear.) 2 October 2020 13: 32
    0
    What are "normal" ones? Which in Poland on strawberries or which in Kiev with torches?
  9. Tektor Offline Tektor
    Tektor (Tektor) 2 October 2020 17: 21
    +1
    They can only hope and wait for a chance. There is only one chance - Banderstadt's collapse into rags. Those. it is advisable to make your way to the local leadership, and at the "H" hour to take control.
  10. staer-62 Offline staer-62
    staer-62 (Andrei) 10 October 2020 19: 44
    0
    Ukraine is a territory with a population that cannot be corrected, for three generations already Bandera. For whom to put things in order there? And who are the Banderaites?

    https://zen.yandex.ru/media/id/5a737163a86731b1a50d037f/predsmertnaia-ispoved-staroi-banderovki-5c98ae01460d9300b2fbe033

    Knowing all this, Ukrainians make them heroes, they want to imitate them.