By setting fire to Nagorno-Karabakh, Erdogan sets a condition for Russia


Last Sunday in Nagorno-Karabakh, another clash took place between the Azerbaijani and Armenian military. There are human casualties on both sides, many combat units have been destroyed equipment... What are Baku and Yerevan trying to achieve and who is really behind this aggravation?


The Karabakh conflict has a very long and complex history. Both parties, so to speak, are accustomed to it, and this problem is an integral part of the internal and external policy Azerbaijan and Armenia. Official Baku turned the issue of the return of Nagorno-Karabakh into a national idea and inevitably became its hostage, like Tokyo and the Kuril Islands. President Aliyev directly stated yesterday:

A successful counter-offensive will end the occupation and injustice that has been going on for nearly 30 years. The people of Azerbaijan want to live on their land. A citizen of Azerbaijan is living this dream. The exiled from their native lands want to return to the lands of their ancestors.

Every year Baku invested in its army more funds than is available in the entire state budget of a small and poor Armenia. Aliyev was further reassured by the direct and unequivocal support of Ankara, which called the Turks and Azerbaijanis one big divided people. It is reported that an elite special forces detachment is preparing to come to the rescue in Turkey. It is easy to guess that it was precisely the position of President Erdogan that gave additional courage to Baku. It is necessary to figure out why the aggravation in Nagorno-Karabakh Ankara.

At first, this is an undoubted instrument of pressure on the Kremlin on the issue of Syria and Libya, where our country is on the other side of the conflict. Currently, Russian and Turkish diplomats are negotiating the future of both of these states. If Ankara provokes Moscow to stand up directly for Armenia, it means a break in normal relations with Azerbaijan, which the Kremlin clearly would like to avoid. Aggravating the situation in Nagorno-Karabakh, President Erdogan undoubtedly knocks out concessions for himself on the Syrian and Libyan issues.

Secondly, do not forget about economic component. Turkey has long sharply reduced the volume of purchases of Russian gas, and soon the previously signed contracts for its supply expire. Ankara made it clear that it expects additional discounts from Moscow. To make the Kremlin think better, the largest Turkish oil refinery stopped buying Russian oil the day before. President Erdogan is clearly not averse to knocking out new discounts from "friend" Vladimir on the quiet, giving him an additional headache in the South Caucasus.

Apparently, these factors will ultimately become decisive. If Ankara and Moscow can come to an agreement, then the offensive of the Azerbaijani military will be limited. If not, then a full-scale offensive could begin in Nagorno-Karabakh with the active support of weapons from Turkey. In the future, the flames of war can spread to the territory of Armenia, which will force Russia to intervene as an ally in the CSTO.

Does the Kremlin need another war with incomprehensible goals and extremely dubious outcomes? The question is rather rhetorical.
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  1. Alexei Ushakov Offline Alexei Ushakov
    Alexei Ushakov (Alexey Ushakov) 28 September 2020 15: 20
    +2
    Again. Sucked it out of my finger and passed it off as real)
  2. Vladimir Tuzakov (Vladimir Tuzakov) 28 September 2020 15: 24
    -2
    Turkey pushed Azerbaijan into a showdown with Armenia, this was done due to the impending big showdown between Turkey and the Kurds, and the Armenians support the Kurds against Turkey ... So the Armenians get the first blow in these political games between the United States and Kurdish statehood, and the United States will not help here yet, on what N. Pashinyan counted upon, having crossed over in the near future ... The United States is further strengthening its influence in the post-Soviet republics - Georgia, and now Armenia. The Russian Federation is expelled from the Caucasus region, as it was expelled from the Baltics and Ukraine ... Russia is losing and it needs allies, therefore it is necessary to take the side of Turkey and not get involved in the Armenian-Azerbaijani conflict, because Armenia is only nominally in the CSTO, but soon and in fact it will leave ... We will achieve two goals, showing Armenia and Georgia already lost their future fate in conflicts, and a clear example to the Central Asian republics and others, and maintaining a strategic alliance with Turkey and at the same time Iran ...
    1. Alexander Friend (Alexander Friend) 1 October 2020 16: 26
      0
      Peace to your home, dear "Russian" brother, also a Christian! Seeing you live badly with your fellow Christians? If you were Russian, you wouldn't think so well. You are apparently an Azerbaijani, or at least a Muslim. If you're Russian, aren't you ashamed? Don't you read the history? Or money and trade with Turkey and the Turks not only closed your eyes, but also froze your brains? How many soldiers were there between Russia and Turkey? At least you didn't go to school? Read on the internet. Do you know what a big difference between Christian and Muslim religions? They are very far from each other, to put it mildly: not even neutral. At least today's Turkey is proof of that.
      You yourself, if you are so worried about the Turks, go live in Turkey, but do not provoke your people. Obviously you are not Russian. And if you are Russian, then you are a traitor both as your people and as a Christian.
      I wish you and your people health, happiness, healthy thinking, balance. Don't panic.
      1. Vladimir Tuzakov (Vladimir Tuzakov) 1 October 2020 16: 47
        0
        You can't live yesterday, you need to live only today and tomorrow ... Those who do not fit into today remain in the past and often for good, and disappear into history ... The world ends the first quarter of the 21st century, and a lot has changed to the opposite, according to therefore, former friends became enemies and vice versa. Friends need to be acquired ... - several teachings for understanding today's politics, but only for friends of Russia, enemies will continue to harm and dissuade you anyway ...
        1. Alexander Friend (Alexander Friend) 3 October 2020 15: 03
          0
          GOD help all fair ones!
          And who is your friend? Turkey? In politics, you seem to be a true ZERO!
          Not knowing the past, then claiming the history of your own and your people, you will be very bad in the future. Turkey is Muslim, Russia and Armenia are Christians. Do you feel the difference? Or are you also ZERO in religion? Erdogan's dream to build the Great Turan khanate. And for this you need him, you know? To conquer not only Armenia, but the entire Caucasus (this is already the territory of Russia) and Central Asia, and also the Muslim autonomies (Bashkiria, Tatarstan, etc.) of Russia. The Crimea is also planned. Are these your friends?
  3. Bulanov Offline Bulanov
    Bulanov (Vladimir) 28 September 2020 16: 03
    +4
    The people of Azerbaijan want to live on their land. A citizen of Azerbaijan is living this dream.

    - While the majority of the Azerbaijani, as well as the Armenian people live in Russia! You cannot drag them to their historical homeland with a tractor!
    And about the beginning of the conflict in Nagorno-Karabakh -

    On the official pages of the US embassies in Armenia and Azerbaijan, two days before the full-scale armed conflict, warnings for Americans in these countries appeared. They were ordered to stay away from Karabakh!

    https://warhead.su/2020/09/27/gosdep-ssha-predupredil-svoih-grazhdan-za-dva-dnya-do-voyny-v-nagornom-karabahe
  4. steelmaker Offline steelmaker
    steelmaker 28 September 2020 19: 59
    -1
    Erdogan sets a condition for Russia

    I probably can't wait when Putin or Lavrov will set conditions for Erdogan? Conditions, ultimatums, sanctions and all this is happiness to Putin and Russia. Again, everything depends on education. And I constantly say that education should be obtained, not bought!
    1. oracul Offline oracul
      oracul (leonid) 29 September 2020 07: 52
      +2
      Education without understanding and the ability to apply it in practice is nothing, in the absence of the ability to manage and acquired skills in the ability to use it in practice.
    2. volk.bosiy Offline volk.bosiy
      volk.bosiy (Volk Bosiy) 29 September 2020 12: 17
      0
      there was such a "hero" - Vasisualy Lokhankin .... when he once again got it, he humbly said: "maybe this is the homespun truth of life" ....))
  5. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
    Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 28 September 2020 21: 16
    +6
    Taking into account the fact that open Russophobes were elected to the government in Armenia, the Russian Federation should not interfere in this conflict. Armenians need to bark less at the Russian Federation, otherwise they have become insolent.
    1. Alexander Friend (Alexander Friend) 1 October 2020 16: 43
      -4
      Peace to your home; expensive! How do you live?
      Are you another Azerbaijani or Muslim? But you are clearly an Armenophobe. And where did you see the Russophobic Armenians? How do you prove it? Armenia has all economic, military and all kinds of agreements with Russia. And it has never been violated or violated. And with whom else do you have such agreements with other states? Will you prove it? Moreover, it is documented, and not to sing Giuseppe Verdi's aria "Aida", and you sing out of tune, you leave the initial key, you get a different tone. You get how hungry wolves howl in the forest. They are even better than you. Train, train at night too.
      Good luck in your life path.
      I wish your people health, happiness and prosperity.
      1. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
        Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 1 October 2020 20: 32
        +2
        And who today in the Armenian government barks at the Russian Federation and the Russians, if not Russophobes and who elected them, the Armenians, or maybe the Martians ?! I am not a Muslim and there are no relatives in Azerbaijan, but all of you, Soviet nationalities who separated from the Russian Federation, built and are building your independence on Russophobia and you don’t need to play around. No need to make us stupid, we are not stupid, you look stupid when barking in the Russian Federation expecting gingerbread from her. You will wait for kicks, with such an attitude towards the Russian Federation and the Russians. I'm not going to prove anything, it's enough that your Armenians shouted at the Russian base in Armenia, and they shouted - Get out, Russian invaders. So here I am with both hands FOR the fact that the troops of the Russian Federation to withdraw to the Russian Federation from Armenia, and the Armenians to Armenia from the Russian Federation, and we will disperse like ships at sea. You are tired of your arrogance and Russophobia. It concerns all of you who have separated.
        1. Alexander Friend (Alexander Friend) 3 October 2020 14: 40
          -2
          GOD help all the just!
          Why are you constantly being rude "gaff, gaff"? Aren't you ashamed, dear comrade mister Armenophobe? Personally, no one asks for any help from you. Some kind of "national" or Armenian offended you, find and punish him, since you are such a "hero". What does the whole nationality have to do with it? You reason stupidly.
          Apparently you don’t know, or you just don’t want to remember: a few years ago a serving Russian guy from a military base in Armenia went home and shot an entire Armenian family. I didn’t even feel sorry for a baby. What can you say in response to this?
          Later in the city of Gyumri, again a servant of a military base in Armenia in a cafe severely beat and killed an Armenian woman. What can you do? And naturally, the inhabitants of this city rightly demanded: remove from Armenia such a military base, whose servants rape, kill local residents, then the Armenians' claim. Not fair?
          1. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
            Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 3 October 2020 18: 27
            +4
            It should be a shame for you to live in the Russian Federation, come to the Russian Federation and ask the Russian Federation for something after you have poured slops on the Russian Federation. It is necessary to punish your countries and their populations who vote for Russophobes in the elections and your rulers, elected by you, with the tacit consent and approval of whom Russophobia and fascism flourish in your countries. If you want people to treat you differently, change your countries, repent of the crimes you committed against the Russian people on ethnic grounds and pay compensation to the victims. Before that, close your mouth and go teach your wife to cook cabbage soup. I will treat people like you the same way you treat my people in your countries. You mean that murky case when your bandits set up our guy by killing someone there ?! So I already wrote those, I am with both hands FOR the withdrawal of all Russian troops from Armenia and the departure of all Armenians from the Russian Federation! You wanted to live separately from the Russians, you wanted independence, so you live at home, you have enough jackal in the hated Russia. I'm not even talking about the fact that the Russian Federation and its indigenous population from the visitors from the countries of the former USSR that separated from Russia, except for rudeness and crime, do not see anything. Go home, I'm at home and I don't want to go to your Armenia and I don't want to see you at home either!
            1. Alexander Friend (Alexander Friend) 3 October 2020 20: 26
              -2
              The Armenians have always been and are a loyal ally of Russia. Russia will never allow other troops to be in Armenia. This is a direct threat to Russia from the United States with the help of Turkey to tear Russia apart, as they did with the USSR. Of course, there are some Armenians who are like you and who reason like you. The real Armenian people wanted to spit on them.
              1. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
                Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 3 October 2020 21: 38
                +3
                What is it ?! The chatter is worthless, and your prime minister is barking like a mad dog in the Russian Federation. But in fact, there is no benefit from you RF. Armenia militarily costs nothing for the Russian Federation, there is no common border, and there are already Americans in Georgia, and even with such a government as now, Armenia will never fight for the Russian Federation, and I have never seen a government friendly to the Russian Federation in Armenia. In this form, you are a useless burden for the Russian Federation, sick with Russophobia, which is high time to throw off the neck of the Russian Federation. Armenia has elected Russophobes to the Armenian government, which means that Russia has no friends in Armenia. And with Turkey, if anything, we can somehow cope without you, the Russian Federation has only 30000 tactical nuclear warheads and no NATO will come to die for the Turks under Russian missiles, they will bark at the Russian Federation, some other sanctions will be introduced and they will sit on the priest exactly, even if the Russian Federation burns the whole of Turkey to the ground.
  6. associate professor_2 (Srul Solomonovich) 28 September 2020 22: 56
    0
    Russia's main mistake, we don't need Erdogan ...
  7. Volga073 Offline Volga073
    Volga073 (MIKLE) 28 September 2020 23: 52
    0
    Why are Russian prostitutes and crooks allowed to enter Turkey ??
    They take the currency to the aggressor country.
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    2. Alexander Friend (Alexander Friend) 1 October 2020 16: 48
      -1
      Peace to your home, dear brother!
      Totally agree with you.
      How many of our tourists in Turkey have offended, shot down. Young girls, women were raped. I read about it myself.
  8. Paramon Pictures (Paramon Pictures) 29 September 2020 03: 48
    -1
    The solution to this problem should be so non-standard that all provocateurs first open their mouths and then shut them down forever, so that Russia does not disgrace, does not give a reason to rock the situation in other regions. Our peacekeepers boldly enter Karabakh, by the scruffs, like naughty cats, Azeris and Armenians poke their noses into Karabakh and scatter them on our sides. We stay there ourselves and not gu-gu. And we will not lose our face, and we will show who is the boss in the house (region). In international politics, one cannot chew snot. And on Turkish snot it is necessary ... - they took fashion underfoot to interfere. And what can you do, another frozen conflict - we leave it to the descendants for resolution.
    1. Alexander Friend (Alexander Friend) 1 October 2020 18: 24
      -1
      God help, dear!
      In your opinion: the weak is to blame for the strong, the poor is to blame for the rich.
      Do you remember Crimea? Who did the people want? That's right, with Russia. Result? There is.
      Artsakh (Karabakh) issue is the same. Who wants people with? That's right, with Armenia. Result? No.
      So what's up?
      Armenia's ally is Russia. Azerbaijan's ally is Turkey.
      Does it mean that Russia is afraid of Turkey? I can't believe it.
      Or maybe money? Believe it. Business with Turkey? Believe.
      Don't you want to decide Russia? Go away. Another will come and decide. And who is it? Big secret.
      1. Wanderer039 Offline Wanderer039
        Wanderer039 4 October 2020 10: 45
        +2
        Russia received Crimea under the Yassy Treaty from Turkey, and Ukraine stole Crimea from the RSFSR in violation of the constitution, this time. Russia returned Crimea to Russia, and Armenia began to fence gardens and did not recognize Karabakh as a part of Armenia, there is, like, some kind of unrecognized state independent from everyone, these are two. Armenia did not recognize Crimea as part of Russia, so which ally of Armenia and how did Armenia help the Russian Federation at least once after the collapse of the USSR ?!
  9. igor.igorev Offline igor.igorev
    igor.igorev (Igor) 29 September 2020 11: 32
    0
    What nonsense!
  10. Motorhead Offline Motorhead
    Motorhead (Alex) 29 September 2020 17: 46
    -1
    Not only Luka, but also the Turks twist their grandfather wherever they want.
    1. lahudra Offline lahudra
      lahudra (Nikolay Kondrashkin) 29 September 2020 23: 01
      0
      The Russians like it, we are crazy about Vova's grandfather, he puts us on our feet.