Syrian conflict deprives Russian helicopters of vulnerabilities


Participation in the Syrian operation allowed Russia not only to "test" the military machinery in real life, but also to identify its weak points. Thus, the previously advertised Mi-28 Night Hunter attack helicopter almost failed a practical test.


It turned out that the sighting complex became the weak point of the combat vehicle, the problems with navigation of which, paradoxically, were revealed precisely at night. The shortcomings revealed in time made it possible to create a modified version of the Mi-28NM helicopter, recently demonstrated at the Army-2020 forum.

It should be noted that the changes affected not only the sighting complex. In general, the Mi-28NM can be safely called a new machine. The helicopter received new on-board electronic warfare equipment, a night vision device, a complex for suppressing the heads of homing portable anti-aircraft missiles, as well as a highly effective all-round radar. Naturally, the "problem" sighting complex was also replaced. At the same time, the modernization touched even the elements of the load-bearing structure. As a result, the "survivability" of the combat vehicle significantly increased when fired by 20-mm shells.

However, the benefits of participating in the Syrian operation were reflected not only in the "Night Hunter". Thus, the Mi-8AMTSh "Terminator" became a full-fledged transport and assault helicopter, and the Mi-171Sh "Storm" received new power plants at all, adding in speed and altitude.

Finally, do not forget about the new development of the Russian Helicopters holding, which presented new "saber" blades, which will allow, without any changes in the design of the machine itself, to increase its speed to 400 km / h, as well as to reduce visibility by as much as 11% ...

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  1. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
    Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 28 September 2020 13: 14
    +4
    War always accelerates progress in military technology, then the price is war ..
    1. Aleksey Glotov Offline Aleksey Glotov
      Aleksey Glotov (alexey glotov) 29 September 2020 02: 15
      +3
      And here some are crying that Russia has nothing to do in Syria and this is how it turns out ... a military training ground.
      1. boriz Online boriz
        boriz (boriz) 29 September 2020 19: 55
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        It's even strange that no one objects to you. A few months ago there was a wild wed ... h. I asserted the same as you now, and some "comrades" let all the dogs down on me, proving that there were enough proving grounds. They say front-line and FIG are not needed.
  2. Cyril Online Cyril
    Cyril (Kirill) 28 September 2020 13: 48
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    which will allow, without any changes in the design of the machine itself, to increase its speed to 400 km / h, as well as reduce visibility by as much as 11%.

    This still needs to be confirmed by tests. The current speed record (400 km / h) belongs to the Lynx helicopter, which indeed had saber-shaped blades. But, in addition to this, it had the most lightweight fuselage (which is impossible for a combat helicopter) and an engine with a power increased by 40%.
    1. 123 Offline 123
      123 (123) 29 September 2020 15: 07
      +4
      This still needs to be confirmed by tests. The current speed record (400 km / h) belongs to the Lynx helicopter, which indeed had saber-shaped blades. But, in addition to this, it had the most lightweight fuselage (which is impossible for a combat helicopter) and an engine with a power increased by 40%.

      Who needs what? This news is 4 years old.

      Perspective helicoptercreated in Russia, during tests reached an operating speed of 405 kilometers per hour, said Colonel Yevgeny Poluyanov, head of the 220th military representation of the RF Ministry of Defense.

      https://www.interfax.ru/russia/534771

      As far as I remember, it was made on the basis of the Mi-24.
      understand yes Is it a shame for the "light-faced"? Nothing, you will survive smile I do not know what Lynx had there, but the good old "Crocodile" had Lynx and all the local state hangers-on. winked
      1. Cyril Online Cyril
        Cyril (Kirill) 29 September 2020 20: 36
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        As far as I remember, it was made on the basis of the Mi-24

        Right. LL PSV (Flying Laboratory - Promising high-speed helicopter) was indeed created on the basis of MI-24.

        However, in this case we are talking about the same experimental and specially modified machine, like the "record" version of Lynx. This experimental helicopter lacks armor and armament to maximize lightweight construction and improve flight performance. ...

        And in the article, which you, as always, read in a different place, and not with your eyes, we are talking about combat vehicles. They have armor, as well as underwing suspension points of weapons, which greatly reduce the aerodynamic quality of the vehicle.

        Is it a shame for the "light-faced"?

        In general, nowhere is it offensive. They set this speed record already in 1986.

        but good old "Crocodile" had Lynx

        Only here LL PSV is not a "good old Crocodile".
        1. 123 Offline 123
          123 (123) 29 September 2020 21: 15
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          However, in this case we are talking about the same experimental and specially modified machine, like the "record" version of Lynx. This experimental helicopter lacks armor and armament to maximize lightweight construction and improve flight performance. ...

          But it weighs less than 2,6 tons, the Mi-24 with its 8,5 tons cannot be lightened to such a weight. The weight of the laboratory is not so different from the serial one.

          And in the article, which you, as always, read in a different place, and not with your eyes, we are talking about combat vehicles. They have armor, as well as underwing suspension points of weapons, which greatly reduce the aerodynamic quality of the vehicle.

          Here I am about the same yes The speed of the serial Mi-24/35 is 310 km / h. It is possible to modify it to a speed of 400 km / h, but Lynx's "tin" cannot be made into combat. "Dress up" him in armor and hang up a weapon and you can roll around the airfield on a string, it is not destiny to take care of him in this guise.

          In general, nowhere is it offensive. They set this speed record already in 1986.

          So what? There are a lot of record versions, for example Eurocopter X3 - 472 km / h, but your "bioflash" only contains information about the Anglo-Saxons winked

          Only here LL PSV is not a "good old Crocodile".

          So Lynx is not fighting repeat
          1. Cyril Online Cyril
            Cyril (Kirill) 29 September 2020 21: 28
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            But it weighs less than 2,6 tons, the Mi-24 with its 8,5 tons cannot be lightened to such a weight. The weight of the laboratory is not so different from the serial one.

            So the engines on the Mi-24 are more powerful.

            The speed of the serial Mi-24/35 is 310 km / h. It is possible to modify it to a speed of 400 km / h,

            Are you speaking as an aircraft designer?

            but Lynx's "tin" cannot be made fighting. "Dress up" him in armor and hang up weapons and you can roll around the airfield on a string, it is not destiny to grow up in such an appearance.

            Lynx versions AH.Mk.9 and Battlefield Lynx laugh at you quietly.

            There are many record versions, for example Eurocopter X3 - 472 km / h

            But this helicopter has two pusher propellers in addition to the main one. The article deals with classical helicopters. I say it again - read with the eyes that are on the head, and not elsewhere.

            So Lynx is not fighting

            Bingo. Finally, what I said at the very beginning came to you. That is why the developers' assertion that

            which will allow, without any changes in the design of the machine itself, to increase its speed to 400 km / h, as well as reduce visibility by as much as 11%.

            - you must first confirm by testing a real combat prototype, and not just a technology demonstrator.

            Attention - I have not said anywhere that this is impossible, I just said that this possibility will finally be confirmed by tests of real combat vehicles with such modifications.
            1. 123 Offline 123
              123 (123) 29 September 2020 22: 24
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              So the engines on the Mi-24 are more powerful.

              Exactly hi These are exactly what an attack combat helicopter needs. And you slip for a multi-purpose comparison, the comparison is simply not correct.

              Are you speaking as an aircraft designer?

              As a sane person, I am telling you this. The Mi-24/35 has a much better chance of becoming an attack helicopter at a speed of 400 km / h. Lynx will never be like that. It will remain multipurpose.

              Lynx versions AH.Mk.9 and Battlefield Lynx laugh at you quietly.

              I just fit to laugh at you yes Are they wearing armor? A machine gun or something can be placed on the harness on any helicopter, for example the Ukrainians do it with the Mi-2.

              But this helicopter has two pusher propellers in addition to the main one. The article deals with classical helicopters. I say it again - read with the eyes that are on the head, and not elsewhere.

              True? Could you give a quote? sad We are talking about helicopters in service with the Russian army, and the article essentially describes the content of the video. It deals with the Mi-24 and Mi-28 attack helicopters and new blades that will increase the speed to 400 km / h.
              You bustle here for comparison "tin can".
              So, as you say there ... "read with the eyes that are on the head, and not elsewhere." From myself I will add, think with the head in which you eat and not the one on which you sit winked

              Bingo. Finally, what I said at the very beginning came to you. That is why the developers' assertion that

              which will allow, without any changes in the design of the machine itself, to increase its speed to 400 km / h, as well as reduce visibility by as much as 11%.

              must first be confirmed by testing a real combat prototype, not just a technology demonstrator.

              Confirm, don't worry. That is why I gave the example of a "laboratory", in terms of weight it did not go far from the serial ones, while it reached the required speed, moreover, on the "old" blades. I suppose I have much more reason to consider the task real than you have trying to imagine Lynx as an attack helicopter.

              Attention - I have not said anywhere that this is impossible, I just said that this possibility will finally be confirmed by tests of real combat vehicles with such modifications.

              But you talked a lot about the Anlo-Saxon "tin can" which has nothing to do with the content of the article.
              1. Cyril Online Cyril
                Cyril (Kirill) 29 September 2020 22: 48
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                Quite right hi This is what an attack helicopter needs. And you slip for a multi-purpose comparison, the comparison is simply not correct.

                I did not compare the Mi-24 with the Lynx at all - I cited the latter as an example of the fact that significant acceleration must be paid for by the absence of armor and weapons. Even with powerful motors and swept blade tips.

                The Mi-24/35 has a much better chance of becoming an attack helicopter at a speed of 400 km / h

                I don’t say so. that he has less chances. Although it is more than that of the same "Lynx" - is debatable. Both helicopters (production versions) have the same maximum speed (310 km / h)

                Are they wearing armor? A machine gun or something can be placed on the harness on any helicopter, for example the Ukrainians do it with the Mi-2.

                The options for fire support for troops and anti-tank warfare, as well as the Wildcat version, have both bulletproof armor and missile and bomb weapons in addition to cannons and machine guns.

                True? Could you give a quote? sad We are talking about helicopters in service with the Russian army,

                Bingo. And in service with Russia are mainly helicopters of the classical single-rotor or coaxial design. There are no helicopters equipped with pushing rotors in service with Russia. Quote:

                Finally, we should not forget about the new development of the Russian Helicopters holding, which has presented new "saber" blades, whichallow without any design changes the car itself, increase its speed to 400 km / h, as well as reduce visibility by as much as 11%.

                If you still do not understand, then "without any design changes" means that no pushing rotors will be installed.

                That is why I gave the example of a "laboratory", in terms of weight, it did not go far from the serial ones, while it reached the required speed, moreover, on the "old" blades.

                In fact, the new blades were used on it.

                than trying to imagine Lynx as an attack helicopter.

                Why would I imagine it if the percussion version exists in reality?

                But you talked a lot about the Anlo-Saxon "tin can" which has nothing to do with the content of the article.

                Repeat to you a third time? Okay. I have cited the record version of Lynx as an example. due to which, without installing pushing motors, it was possible to achieve a dramatic increase in speed. But why you, trying to pry me in my supposed love of despicable naglo-Saxons, cited a European helicopter with pushing engines as an example - this is really the mystery of the century.
                1. 123 Offline 123
                  123 (123) 29 September 2020 23: 18
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                  I did not compare the Mi-24 with the Lynx at all - I cited the latter as an example of the fact that significant acceleration must be paid for by the absence of armor and weapons. Even with powerful motors and swept blade tips.

                  The example is not good.

                  I don’t say so. that he has less chances. Although it is more than that of the same "Lynx" - is debatable. Both helicopters (production versions) have the same maximum speed (310 km / h)

                  Re-read the previous comments, I do not want to repeat myself about the weight of the armor, weapons. Do you have a moth memory? Lynx will not take off stupidly with this.

                  The options for fire support for troops and anti-tank warfare, as well as the Wildcat version, have both bulletproof armor and missile and bomb weapons in addition to cannons and machine guns.

                  It was about increasing the speed of attack helicopters. "Wildcat" percussion?

                  Bingo. And in service with Russia are mainly helicopters of the classical single-rotor or coaxial design. There are no helicopters equipped with pushing rotors in service with Russia. Quote:

                  Basically belay That is, in other words, you made the conclusion that we are talking about helicopters of the classical scheme yourself. This is confirmed by the above quote, there is not a word about "classics"

                  If you still do not understand, then "without any design changes" means that no pushing rotors will be installed.

                  Naturally I did not understand. How could I understand your fantasies? belay After all, they are yours. It says directly that there will be no changes, only the blades will be replaced. What are push rotors? Where is it said?

                  In fact, the new blades were used on it.

                  Here yes, I was wrong yes Mistakes need to be admitted, not argued trying to get out. I recommend that you do so hi

                  Why would I imagine it if the percussion version exists in reality?

                  True? What do you consider an attack helicopter? Share the link where Lynx is specified as percussion and not multipurpose.

                  Repeat to you a third time? Okay. I have cited the record version of Lynx as an example. due to which, without installing pushing motors, it was possible to achieve a dramatic increase in speed.

                  I repeat it for the third time. The example you gave was not a good one. These are helicopters of completely different class. And how did you manage to dramatically increase the speed? And how does it fit for attack helicopters? How does this apply to them?

                  But why you, trying to pry me in my supposed love for despicable naglo-Saxons, cited a European helicopter with pushing engines as an example - this is really the mystery of the century.

                  Because you gave an example of a speed record, Europeans have a higher speed. We are not talking about the classical scheme anywhere. You, as usual, did not understand something, then you fantasized something and stubbornly defend your delusions.
                  Good night hi
                  1. Cyril Online Cyril
                    Cyril (Kirill) 30 September 2020 00: 04
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                    The example is not good.

                    Why unsuccessful? Lynx is a classic example of a traditional helicopter configuration. The article also mentions the same helicopters.

                    Re-read the previous comments, I do not want to repeat myself about the weight of the armor, weapons. Do you have a moth memory? Lynx will not take off stupidly with this.

                    So I'm talking about this and say that in the already implemented examples of a radical increase in speed (I cited the "Lynx" as an example, you - "Crocodile" had to pay with the absence of armor and weapons. Despite the fact that in both cases more powerful engines were installed and special blades.

                    It was about increasing the speed of attack helicopters. "Wildcat" percussion?

                    Precisely, shock. Armament:

                    one forward 12.7 mm machine gun (or 20 mm cannon or
                    PU NUR CRV7)
                    on external sling:
                    containers with machine guns FN MAG (AH.1) or
                    Browning M2 (HMA.2).
                    Option AH.1: URVP
                    HMA.2: Sting Ray torpedoes, depth charges, anti-ship missiles

                    Basically belay That is, in other words, you made the conclusion that we are talking about helicopters of the classical scheme yourself. This is confirmed by the above quote, there is not a word about "classics"

                    "Basically" - this referred to helicopters with one main and tail rotor, because the basis of the fleet of Russian attack helicopters consists of the Mi-28, Mi-24 and attack modifications of the Mi-8. There are not many coaxial Ka-52s in service.

                    The article deals with the Mi-28, Mi-24 and the strike variants of the Mi-8. These are helicopters of the classic single-rotor design. Re-read ok finally.

                    Naturally I did not understand. How could I understand your fantasies? belay After all, they are yours. It says directly that there will be no changes, only the blades will be replaced. What are push rotors? Where is it said

                    Did I say somewhere that they will install pushing rotors? Provide a quote, if not difficult.

                    True? What do you consider an attack helicopter? Share the link where Lynx is specified as percussion and not multipurpose.

                    Attack helicopter - a helicopter designed to deliver strikes against ground vehicles. It can be either a vehicle originally developed for these purposes, or a modification of a transport helicopter. For example, the Mi-8 MShT is an attack helicopter, like the Mi-28. Why do I have to clarify common truths to you?

                    In 1986, based on the Lynx AH.Mk.7 was created multipurpose attack helicopter "Lynx AH.Mk.9", designed to destroy enemy tanks and armored vehicles. It is armed with 8 TOW anti-tank guided missiles (ATGM), mounted on the sides of the fuselage. The helicopter can carry out combat missions day and night, in simple and difficult weather conditions.
                    Its modification, the Battlefield Lynx, has a cockpit-mounted TOW ATGM guidance system and can carry 10 paratroopers. The armament of the helicopter includes two 20 mm KAD-B cannons with 570 rounds of ammunition and 1 7,62 mm machine gun. Combat load at 2 nodes: 8 ATGM TOW, HOT or AGM-114 Hellfire, or 2 launchers of 68-mm or 70-mm unguided missiles, as well as a VS-MD H mine planner. Suspension of guided air-to-air missiles is possible or air-to-surface.

                    By the way, the Mi-24 is also not a pure striker - it is a transport and attack helicopter, which has a compartment for paratroopers.

                    The example you gave was not a good one. These are helicopters of completely different class.

                    And what, the laws of physics change from the change of the helicopter class? If the helicopter is purely attack, then it can be made heavier and not lose speed, but multi-purpose or transport not?

                    Finally, turn on your brains.

                    And how did you manage to dramatically increase the speed? And how does it fit for attack helicopters? How does this apply to them?

                    In both Lynx's and Crocodile's case, their high-speed versions were made easier by removing armor and weapons, and installing new blades and engines.

                    Because you gave an example of a speed record, Europeans have a higher speed. We are not talking about the classical scheme anywhere.

                    Excuse me, senile dementia has completely overcome you? I give one last try:

                    1. The article deals with the modernization of the Russian Mi-28, Mi-24 and Mi-8 helicopters by installing specially shaped blades on them, which allow increasing the speed from 300 to 400 km / h without changing the design. Let me remind you once again that the helicopters of these models are built according to the classical scheme. No other helicopters were mentioned in the article.

                    2. Further, in my first comment, I said that in order to confirm the actual speed increase of up to 400 km / h thanks to the specially shaped blades, you must first test real prototypes. And he clarified that such a solution was applied on the Lynx and it really worked, but for this the helicopter was also made as light as possible by removing all the weapons and armor. On combat helicopters, intended not for setting records, but for real combat, the removal of armor and weapons is impossible, therefore, without testing, it is premature to talk about such a large increase by using only special blades.

                    3. In response to my example with Lynx you brought LL PSV and Eurocopter X3. So the last device is just an experimental helicopter with two additional pushing rotors.

                    To put it even simpler, you were the first to start rassing about devices with pushing screws, and now for some reason you accuse me of talking about them. While I just pointed out that you gave an unsuccessful example with the Eurocopter X3, since this is a helicopter not of the classic scheme, which is mentioned in the article.

                    So you're only fantasizing (and most likely, you just don't understand the topic). Moreover, you are trying to dump your shoals on me.
                    1. 123 Offline 123
                      123 (123) 30 September 2020 01: 49
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                      Why unsuccessful? Lynx is a classic example of a traditional helicopter configuration. The article also mentions the same helicopters.

                      You're lying. There is not a word about the classic scheme in the article and in the video. This is your speculation.

                      So I'm talking about this and say that in the already implemented examples of a radical increase in speed (I cited the "Lynx" as an example, you - "Crocodile" had to pay with the absence of armor and weapons. Despite the fact that in both cases more powerful engines were installed and special blades.

                      These are completely different helicopters. MI-8 and Mi-24 are different in purpose, despite the fact that they can perform similar values. And the Mi-8 without armor is not at all because she had to sacrifice for speed, by the way, he has it less.

                      Precisely, shock. Armament:

                      The presence of weapons does not make the helicopter an attack one. As a rule, these are called multipurpose. You could not give the link where it is called. But continue to lie stubbornly. It is precisely multipurpose.

                      https://vpk.name/library/f/aw159.html

                      "Basically" - this referred to helicopters with one main and tail rotor, because the basis of the fleet of Russian attack helicopters consists of the Mi-28, Mi-24 and attack modifications of the Mi-8. There are not many coaxial Ka-52s in service.

                      What's the difference, a lot or not a lot. Are you dumb? fool There is not a word about the circuit in the article. These are exclusively your delusional fantasies negative

                      The article deals with the Mi-28, Mi-24 and the strike variants of the Mi-8. These are helicopters of the classic single-rotor design. Stop pounding in the eyes and re-read it normally, finally.

                      Again lying. negative Kindly give a quote where the Mi-8 is named shock sad
                      The article and the video talk about the use of the Syrian experience in the modernization of helicopters, and the use of new blades is mentioned only for the Mi-24 and Mi-28. If there is a problem with the perception of information, try to reduce the video speed.

                      Did I say somewhere that they will install pushing rotors? Provide a quote, if not difficult.

                      Not difficult yes Here are your words:

                      Bingo. And in service with Russia are mainly helicopters of the classical single-rotor or coaxial design. Helicopters equipped with push rotors, not in service with Russia.

                      If you still do not understand, then "without any design changes" means that pushing rotors will not install.

                      You were the one who started the conversation about rotors yes There is not a word about them in the article.
                      You misinterpret... Here are my words:

                      Naturally I did not understand. How could I understand your fantasies? belay After all, they are yours. It says directly that there will be no changes, only the blades will be replaced. What are push rotors? Where is it said

                      Try to figure out your own head.

                      Attack helicopter - a helicopter designed to deliver strikes against ground vehicles. It can be either a vehicle originally developed for these purposes, or a modification of a transport helicopter. For example, the Mi-8 MShT is an attack helicopter, like the Mi-28. Why do I have to clarify common truths to you?

                      Your sick fantasies are not true laughing Please provide a quote where you got this definition or stop lying.

                      Even in the damned Wikipedia AgustaWestland Apache is indicated by the British as shock

                      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AgustaWestland_Apache

                      In the case of the AW159 Wildcat, not a word about "shock"

                      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AgustaWestland_AW159_Wildcat

                      And what, the laws of physics change from the change of the helicopter class? If the helicopter is purely attack, then it can be made heavier and not lose speed, but multi-purpose or transport not?
                      Finally, turn on your brains.

                      Wildcat cannot be made heavier. The "bicycle" will not pull the armor. The article does not talk about achieving a speed record, but about improving speed characteristics while maintaining other properties. The goal was not to create a racing car, but to make the tank faster.
                      I am glad that you know the word brain, you should still learn how to use it. winked

                      In both Lynx's and Crocodile's case, their high-speed versions were made easier by removing armor and weapons, and installing new blades and engines.

                      Tired of repeating questions several times. Are you having memory problems?
                      And how does it fit for attack helicopters? How does this apply to them? Are you proposing to remove the armor from the Battle Crocolil?

                      Excuse me, senile dementia has completely overcome you? I give one last try:

                      On this occasion, perhaps I will express myself in a personal yes

                      1. (I had to shorten it, the site does not allow it, I hope you will understand).

                      No. There is not a word about the installation of blades on the Mi-8. Stop lying. Scheme again? belay As long as you can repeat, we are discussing the article and not your speculation. negative

                      2. (I had to cut it, the site does not skip, I hope you understand)

                      Nothing like this No. Here is his first comment:

                      This still needs to be confirmed by tests. The current speed record (400 km / h) belongs to the Lynx helicopter, which did indeed have saber blades. But, besides this, he had the most lightweight fuselage (which is impossible with a combat helicopter) and an engine with 40% more power.

                      They expressed doubts about the achievement of the result, then they gave an example specially for a working and lightweight helicopter for the purpose of achieving maximum speed. And they perfectly understood what they were talking about and the difference with a combat helicopter. And now you lie and dodge all evening?

                      3. (I had to cut it, the site does not skip, I hope you understand)

                      What's again? belay Aquarium fish memory? About rotors again? sad

                      To put it even simpler, you were the first to start rassing about devices with pushing screws, and now for some reason you accuse me of talking about them. While I just pointed out that you gave an unsuccessful example with the Eurocopter X3, since this is a helicopter not of the classic scheme, which is mentioned in the article.

                      Lying again negative I just mentioned that the Eurocopter X3's speed is even higher than that of your "champion". And again about the scheme? sad Your stupidity and stubbornness overpowered. re-read, everything is said above about it.
                      1. Cyril Online Cyril
                        Cyril (Kirill) 30 September 2020 04: 28
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                        It is clear, you failed your 3rd chance :)

                        Read the article again. And further. And further. And yet - until you understand what is written there. Hopefully this will happen sooner. than the Second Coming of Christ, although there is little hope.
                      2. 123 Offline 123
                        123 (123) 30 September 2020 11: 17
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                        It is clear, you failed your 3rd chance :)

                        Perhaps yes, I failed yes apparently I won't become a stubborn sectarian laughing

                        Read the article again. And further. And further. And yet - until you understand what is written there. Hopefully this will happen sooner. than the Second Coming of Christ, although there is little hope.

                        Believe it or not, I reread it yes and even watched the video, but not a single new line appeared there request not a single new word No. .
                      3. Cyril Online Cyril
                        Cyril (Kirill) 30 September 2020 11: 24
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                        apparently stubborn sectarian I do not become laughing

                        Unfortunately, that's what you are.

                        Believe it or not, I did re-read yes and even watched the video, but not a single new line appeared there; not a single new word

                        If you read it normally, you would see that the article deals with helicopters of the classical scheme - Mi-28, Mi-24 and Mi-8. That's it, there was no more talk about any helicopters.

                        But you somehow started to cram in your comments for comparison a European rotorcraft with pulling rotors, which does not belong to the classical scheme. And even blame me for your own jamb.

                      4. 123 Offline 123
                        123 (123) 30 September 2020 11: 36
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                        If you read it normally, you would see that the article deals with helicopters of the classic scheme - Mi-28, Mi-24 and Mi-8. That's it, there was no more talk about any helicopters.

                        The article dealt with the helicopters in service with the Russian army. About the use of the Syrian experience for their modernization, the video says about the installation of new blades on the Mi-28, Mi-24. That's all.
                        About the classic scheme, this is your vision. there is not a word or even a hint about it, these are voices in your "hive" disturbed by tranquilizers sad

                        But you somehow started to cram in your comments for comparison a European rotorcraft with pulling rotors, which does not belong to the classical scheme. And even blame me for your own jamb.

                        Are you obsessed with the scheme? Yes, I brought for comparison a European helicopter, which is faster than the "bucket" that you painted in color and in detail smile
                        Well, excuse me that this hurt you so much. Have I prevented you from praising the Svtlikh? Do not worry about the Anglo-Saxons, they will set another speed record. ... probably laughing
                        But this still has nothing to do with the article. You made the wrong conclusion about what you read, and for a day you defend your own delusions with stubbornness worthy of a herd of donkeys. repeat
                      5. Cyril Online Cyril
                        Cyril (Kirill) 30 September 2020 11: 48
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                        the video shows the installation of new blades on the Mi-28, Mi-24. That's all.
                        About the classic scheme, this is your vision. there is not a word or even a hint about it, these are voices in your "hive" disturbed by tranquilizers

                        Are the Mi-24 and Mi-28 helicopters not of the classical design?) Come on, please us with another "knowledge" in the field of helicopter engineering :)

                        Yes, I brought for comparison a European helicopter, which is faster than the "bucket" that you colorfully and in detail painted

                        Yeah, we compared a classical helicopter with a rotorcraft, in which the horizontal speed increases due to the presence of two pulling rotors :) As you had problems with analogies and comparisons, you still have.

                        But this still has nothing to do with the article.

                        My example with Lynx, which, like the Mi-28 with the Mi-24, is a helicopter of the classical scheme, is directly related to the article. Your example with the Eurocopter X3 rotorcraft - yes, it does not.
                      6. 123 Offline 123
                        123 (123) 30 September 2020 14: 08
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                        What's the difference? In the article about this there is not a word about the classical scheme, it has nothing to do with the essence of the question. Yulite is like in a frying pan. There is simply nothing to say and take away. negative
                      7. Cyril Online Cyril
                        Cyril (Kirill) 30 September 2020 14: 22
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                        In the article about this there is not a word about the classical scheme, it has nothing to do with the essence of the question.

                        The article says that with the help of saber blades, they are going to radically increase the speed of the Mi-28 and Mi-24 helicopters without changing their design. Are there such words? There is. Are the Mi-28 and Mi-24 helicopters of the classic design? Yes.

                        This issue is most directly related to the classical scheme - helicopters of this design have a speed limit due to this design itself.

                        That's why I cited Lynx as an example, because he. being a helicopter of the same scheme as the Mi-24 and Mi-28, it reached a speed of 400 km / h not only by using blades with saber tips and a more powerful engine, but also by removing armor and weapons.

                        The same applies to LL PSV.

                        The article deals with the fact that with the help of saber blades to increase the speed of serial helicopters of the classical scheme, while not removing weapons and armor from them.

                        That is why I say that it is possible to speak about the possibility of reaching a speed of 400 km / h on production helicopters only with the help of blades only after such helicopters are built, moreover, without removing armor and weapons.

                        How many more times do I have to repeat it for it to reach your brain?

                        You started to play around when you gave an unfortunate example with the Eurocopter X3, and then you started trying to shove your cant at me and shove them off - they say, as if I started talking about additional rotors to accelerate the flight.

                      8. 123 Offline 123
                        123 (123) 30 September 2020 16: 26
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                        I'm tired of your nonsense. negative
  • free_flier Offline free_flier
    free_flier 29 September 2020 21: 33
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    I washed, so washed)))
  • Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 29 September 2020 09: 17
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    Peremogs and a rod.
    They have already forgotten about a helicopter with supersonic wings and speeds up to 800 km, now up to 400 km speed on old models in the trend ...