Import substitution cost the Russian fleet two Karakurt missile ships


The surface component of the Russian navy is frankly weak today. Huge problems with its renewal were created by Ukraine, which refused to supply power plants for our ships. How serious the situation is, is evidenced by the plans of the Russian Defense Ministry to replace frigates of the far sea and ocean zones with small missile ships, originally intended to protect large rivers and inland sea basins.


The frigates of project 11356R "Petrel" have a very difficult fate. Initially, it was planned to build six units to replace the ships of the project 22350, the construction of which was delayed, and after that they intended to bring the total number to nine. But they didn't. Before the Crimean events in 2014, Ukraine managed to supply only three gas turbine power plants to Russia, and after Kiev prohibited their further transfer. Because of this, all the deadlines for the series of "Petrel" were thwarted. Due to problems with import substitution of engines, the Ministry of Defense decided to take a rather desperate step, referring to the idea of ​​replacing ships of the second rank with small ships of the third rank. The main reason was that RTOs are much cheaper and a large number of them can be “riveted” rather quickly. In any case, it seemed so initially.

Small missile ships of the project 21631 "Buyan-M" performed quite well in 2015 and 2016, inflicting a series of attacks on the positions of terrorists in Syria. They are armed with missiles "Onyx", "Caliber-NK", and in the future - hypersonic "Zircon". 9 vessels have already been built, 3 more are under construction. However, the practice of using them on "big water" has shown that they do not feel very comfortable on it, and have very limited autonomy.

These problems were supposed to be corrected by the project 22800 "Karakurt". RTOs of this series are essentially an improved version of the Buyans with increased seaworthiness and navigation autonomy. Rather, they can be attributed already to small corvettes. The armament is made up of the same "Onyxes", "Calibers" and "Zircons". The series will include 18 "Karakurt". Despite their modest size, RTOs will be able to perform a number of important tasks to ensure the defense capability of our country.

However, the intention to replace frigates with them, whose displacement is 4,5 times greater, does not say anything good about the state of domestic shipbuilding. Unfortunately, problems appeared in the production of RTOs. So, the contract signed in 2018 for the production of two small rocket ships with Vostochnaya Verf JSC was never fulfilled, therefore it was terminated by the military. The heir to the Vladivostok Shipyard No. 602 has lost half of its orders, and the employees are forced to take a shorter working week.

There is an opinion that this was done not because of the “harmfulness” of the Ministry of Defense, but because the defense industry simply cannot cope with the volume of orders. To replace the Ukrainian engines, Zvezda has developed the M-507D-1 units in the Leningrad Region, but is unable to produce them in sufficient quantities. It was necessary to transfer part of the volumes to the Kingisepp Machine-Building Plant (KMZ), but the subcontractor also failed, which led to a clarification of the relationship in court. Zvezda's press service explained:

KMZ has not yet set up a serial production of diesel engines in accordance with GOST RV 15.301-2003, although all the documentation required for their manufacture has been officially transferred.

In general, import substitution is a difficult and slow thing. Apparently, the RF Ministry of Defense has decided to delete from the list two "Karakurt", each of which costs the budget 2 billion rubles.
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  1. 123 Offline 123
    123 (123) 26 September 2020 14: 31
    +3
    So, the contract signed in 2018 for the production of two small rocket ships with Vostochnaya Verf JSC was never fulfilled, therefore it was terminated by the military. The heir to the Vladivostok Shipyard No. 602 has lost half of its orders, and the employees are forced to take a shorter working week.

    Maybe the plant just can't cope with the order? For them, this is a novelty, they are not building anything larger than the patrol ships of the project 10410 "Firefly". Displacement 333 tons (Karakurt - 800 tons).

    https://www.vverf.com/

    Shoigu was recently at the Amur shipyard

    http://xn--80aojiwd.xn--p1ai/%d0%bf%d1%80%d0%be%d0%b4%d1%83%d0%ba%d1%86%d0%b8%d1%8f/

    Will build corvettes

  2. Dmitry S. Offline Dmitry S.
    Dmitry S. (Dmitry Sanin) 26 September 2020 14: 48
    +1
    The problem was created not by Ukraine, but by three rags in Belovezhskaya Pushcha.
    1. Sergey Tokarev Offline Sergey Tokarev
      Sergey Tokarev (Sergey Tokarev) 26 September 2020 15: 28
      0
      and before that the Ukrainians were white and fluffy?
  3. Valentine Offline Valentine
    Valentine (Valentin) 26 September 2020 16: 04
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    I just can't understand the policy of our party (ED.RO) and the government, but why the hell are we supplying them with whole compositions of diesel fuel, gasoline, fuel oil, electricity, components for military equipment, etc. "little things", and in response to this we a huge fig and an ocean of dirt and insults. When will our policy be clear to our people, after all, it has long been clear that Ukraine is our worst enemy, and it will not be the other one for the next hundred years, and we are all lisping with her, and she defense relations are getting stronger, and will get stronger from year to year with the help of our "partners." America has long recognized Russia as its enemy, but we are all currying out for something and trying to flirt with the Yankees, who are eternal "partners" for us and we are nothing They do not put them, but consider them barbarians with a nuclear cudgel. How can you not respect Comrade Eun for not giving a damn about all this Euro-US rabble, and after all, he has only a dozen nuclear warheads, and we simply have a lot of them. You will wait for snot, gentlemen, our politicians, wait for the time, to When we have to solve the problem of Ukraine at the cost of enormous blood, and after all, we have lived to the extent that some three Baltic toilets-limitrophes, together with Ukraine, threaten us with war, and we only screech guiltily in response ... How painful and ashamed of your Power when there is no Prophet in your Fatherland.
    1. Sergey Tokarev Offline Sergey Tokarev
      Sergey Tokarev (Sergey Tokarev) 26 September 2020 17: 18
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      should Ukrainians pay off loans instead of paying for fuel? even if the last cowards are removed for Russian fuel. but Ukrainian vodka in Russian stores is already a problem ...
      1. vadim dok Offline vadim dok
        vadim dok (Marusev) 28 September 2020 14: 01
        -1
        For almost 6 years Ukraine has NOT BUY gas from the Russian Federation. And Russia PAYS Ukraine for pumping gas! "Political economy" however!
        1. Sergey Tokarev Offline Sergey Tokarev
          Sergey Tokarev (Sergey Tokarev) 28 September 2020 14: 54
          0
          does he buy from the Norwegians or does he buy Russian from outbids in Slovenia, taking it out of the pipe?
    2. gorenina91 Offline gorenina91
      gorenina91 (Irina) 26 September 2020 17: 50
      -2
      I just can't understand the policy of our party (ED.RO) and the government, but why the hell are we supplying them with whole compositions of diesel fuel, gasoline, fuel oil, electricity, components for military equipment, etc. "little things", and in response to this we a huge fig and an ocean of dirt and insults. When will our policy be clear to our people, after all, it has long been clear that Ukraine is our worst enemy, and it will not be different for the next hundred years,

      - You really ... - do not understand, or so naive ???
      - All these enterprises that produce and supply to Ukraine

      "diesel fuel, gasoline, fuel oil, electricity, components for military equipment, etc." little things "...

      -It has long been owned by the owners who have long lived in London, Paris, Luxembourg, Stockholm, etc. and so on ... -And it is far from the fact that these are even our Russian masters (although ... - what's the difference) ... is there may well be "import owners" who own these enterprises or a "counter-package" of these enterprises ...
      - And no one can forbid them these supplies (even our guarantor) ... - This is capitalism (its animal grin) ... - So they will continue to supply everything ... - And no one will make a peep ...
      1. bear040 Offline bear040
        bear040 26 September 2020 18: 12
        +1
        Galina and where does the owners ?! In the United States, the government will put any owner in a pose if his firm dares to go against the interests of the United States, but in the Russian Federation everything is possible ... It's not the owners that matter, but the presence or absence of masculinity in the pants of the inhabitants of the Kremlin
        1. gorenina91 Offline gorenina91
          gorenina91 (Irina) 26 September 2020 19: 00
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          Galina and where does the owners ?!

          - Galina ... is I, or what ??? -Okay ... -without difference ...
          - Mr. Vedmed ... - your minus is superfluous ... as well as the fact that supposedly, if some

          the firm dares to go against the interests of the United States

          - then the US government with this company ... will sort it out ... - and so on ... - Yes, it (the American government) will not do anything ... - In WWII, between the USA and the Germans, there was already a lot of shooting; and the Americans made deliveries to Hitler ... and continued to do so ... -were not even afraid that their own ships would be sunk by German submarines ... -And today the United States is arming both the ISIS and the Taliban (in Afghanistan); and they shoot at the American soldiers ... -recently eight American soldiers in Afghanistan were killed ...
          -The same is true in Ukraine ... -the delivery from Russia of all components that are suitable for the Ukrainian army for the war is in full swing ... -Yes, and Belarus helps Ukraine in this ...- supplies fuel and fuels and lubricants (derivatives from Russian oil ) ... -It's just an animal grin (maybe bearish) of capitalism ...
          - So, Mr. Vedmed ... - for the future ... be careful with minuses ... - I'm embarrassed about you ...
          1. bear040 Offline bear040
            bear040 26 September 2020 19: 02
            +1
            Do not make me laugh. In the United States, any company that dares to violate the government's instructions for such grandmothers will be fined, which will not seem like little.
    3. Sergey Nikiforov (Sergey Nikiforov) 27 September 2020 20: 22
      +1
      Eun is our everything, forward to the victory of the Juche ideas throughout Russia
  4. gorenina91 Offline gorenina91
    gorenina91 (Irina) 26 September 2020 17: 36
    0
    In general, import substitution is a difficult and slow thing. Apparently, the RF Ministry of Defense has decided to delete from the list two "Karakurt", each of which costs the budget 2 billion rubles.

    -Yes, and for this, too, you have to pay well ... is our

    Small anti-submarine ship "Kazanets", which received a hole above the waterline after a collision on 23 September with a cargo ship in the Øresund Strait between Denmark and Sweden

    1. bear040 Offline bear040
      bear040 26 September 2020 18: 14
      +1
      Well, here the perpetrators just need to be prosecuted for negligence and violation of shipping rules. Fog is fog but there is radar even on yachts, and even more so on military and merchant ships
      1. 123 Offline 123
        123 (123) 27 September 2020 15: 40
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        Well, here the perpetrators just need to be prosecuted for negligence and violation of shipping rules. Fog is fog but there is radar even on yachts, and even more so on military and merchant ships

        Do not rush to shoot everyone, the reasons for the incident and who is to blame is not known, at least to us. The sea is the sea, and technology is technology. Anything can happen. For example, the Americans "had fun" a week ago.


        https://www.maritime-executive.com/article/photos-uscg-cutter-waesche-suffers-stack-fire-at-sea
  5. bear040 Offline bear040
    bear040 26 September 2020 18: 02
    +2
    The break with Ukraine had been asking for a long time, and even if relations had not deteriorated after 2014, the quality of Ukrainian products clearly did not meet the requirements of the Russian Navy. I want to remind you that the power plant of the second frigate of type 22350 delivered from Ukraine burned down during sea trials and what is there today, in fact, has already been made in Russia. In addition, the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation did not interfere with the construction of multipurpose corvettes of the type 11356 and 20380 with domestic diesel engines instead of type 20385 frigates, and not trying to replace multipurpose frigates with non-multipurpose MRKs. The problems with the industry in the Russian Federation are caused by privatizers and ineffective management of supposedly effective managers, and the sooner all followers of Chubais and Gaidar are removed from power in the Russian Federation, the sooner everything will start working in Russia as it should
  6. King3214 Offline King3214
    King3214 (Sergius) 26 September 2020 18: 10
    +1
    And who has been lobbying Ukraine's interests in the RF military-industrial complex all these years?
    I hope these people were executed?
    1. bear040 Offline bear040
      bear040 26 September 2020 18: 26
      +2
      One of them was Chernomyrdin, he died ... it's time for patriots of foreign states who got lost in the Russian Federation to be deported to their homeland, which they six to the detriment of Russia
      1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
        Marzhecki (Sergei) 27 September 2020 11: 03
        0
        The question is who can be included in this list.
        1. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
          Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 27 September 2020 11: 40
          +1
          Here the question must be put deeper - What needs to be done so that there are no patriots of foreign states in the government circles of the Russian Federation at all, from the word AT ALL ?!
  7. Valery Valeriev Offline Valery Valeriev
    Valery Valeriev (Valery Valeriev) 27 September 2020 13: 21
    0
    The reporter is very worried about the fate of the Russian corvettes, for the third time he notifies the Internet riffraff about the impossibility of completing the corvettes. Insistence to suggest - is it all that bad?
  8. lahudra Offline lahudra
    lahudra (Nikolay Kondrashkin) 27 September 2020 21: 13
    -1
    Russia does not need large ships. The water element is expensive and difficult, at sea you can easily run into a refrigerator in the Øresund Strait. It is much more urgent for Russia to eliminate cesspools in rural schools and equip them with sewerage systems.