"Nobel Prize" for Putin: Isn't It Time for Russia to Stop Being Humiliated in Front of the West?


Bypassed by domestic media news the fact that Russian President Vladimir Putin has been nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize is certainly inspiring. Spirit-lifting, I would say! True, this raises a number of questions - from the elementary: "Are you serious?" to some others, somewhat more voluminous and philosophical.


For example, how long will our country try to "integrate" into the system of false "values" and "incentives" created by the West and exclusively for the West, initially based on biased and hypocritical assessments? When, finally, we begin to show self-respect and elementary common sense, will we learn that we are not just “strangers at this celebration of life”, but also that “this holiday” is absolutely useless to us?

In the footsteps of Gorbachev?


I have absolutely no doubt that Sergei Komkov, the editor-in-chief of the President newspaper, writer, one of the leading Russian experts in the field of education, who announced the nomination of Vladimir Vladimirovich for the Nobel Prize, was guided by the best intentions - pure, bright and very patriotic. They say, know ours, we are also not bastard, and similar souls with beautiful impulses. True, in this case it would be worth, perhaps, to think about something else. For example, that in the current situation the probability of awarding such an award to the leader of our country is not even zero, but a completely negative value. It is at least naive to count on such things in the atmosphere of natural Russophobic psychosis, which is now being promoted by the "collective West". Mr. Komkov, by the way, already made a similar attempt - in 2014. With a completely predictable result ... And in general, it’s time to understand that the head of our state the Nobel Prize can be awarded solely for its destruction! At least - for the total surrender of his interests and complete surrender to the West.

Does the example of Mikhail Gorbachev suggest any thoughts? By the way, this figure has already rushed to respond to the possible "competition" with an extremely strange comment. He suddenly announced that earlier this award could have been received "by pull or the devil knows how" (he meant himself, or what?), And advised "not to get excited", because it is not known how "people might react." Obviously, here Mikhail Sergeevich again measures everything by himself - the absolute majority of compatriots of the former General Secretary and the President speak in extremely abusive terms about the award of the Nobel Prize to him in 1990.

However, even if we distract ourselves from the affairs of days gone by and concentrate on the current moment, the situation looks somehow not very presentable. It looks rather ridiculous, what is really there ... With whom is the President of Russia invited to compete? With his American counterpart, Donald Trump, who became a Nobel candidate "for his efforts to resolve long-term conflicts between different countries." Specifically, for the rather clumsy efforts to establish a "bad peace" in the Middle East, which will inevitably end with such a "good quarrel" that you can bear the saints out. By the way, Sergei Komkov, who today claims that the nomination of the head of the White House was a "wild reaction of the United States" to his application to the Nobel Committee, is obviously not well informed.

Trump's candidacy was nominated twice, and not by the Americans at all, but by a member of the Swedish parliament Magnus Jakobsson (for mediation between Serbia and Kosovo) and his colleague from Norway, a member of the Progress Party there, Christian Tibring-Gedde (for “reconciling” Israel and the UAE). The actions of the US President for the final dismantling of the entire global system of collective security - rejection of the INF Treaty, the Open Skies Treaty and the like - are not taken into account. As well as the unprecedented inflation of the US military budget, military escalation with Iran, missile orders to fire on Syria and his own admission in his desire to “physically eliminate Bashar al-Assad ... A complete portrait of a“ peacemaker ”, isn't it? In addition, the former Polish Prime Minister and former President of the European Council, Donald Tusk, proposes to nominate Svetlana Tikhanovskaya and her husband Sergei for the same award, "to pay tribute to all Belarusians who participate in the protests." What? Quite a possible option.

In the company of Navalny, Greta Thunberg and Trump


Aleksey Navalny has already been nominated for the Nobel Prize - Rutgers University (USA) professor Sergei Erofeev said in advance, claiming that this dubious idea is supported with all his heart by "prominent scientists", and all as one belonging to the professorship of the "leading world scientific centers dealing with Russian problems ". Read - pseudo-research offices, abundantly fed by the CIA, the State Department and others like them. No, how do you even imagine such a turn? After that, if our "lamp of democracy" has a pimple on any part of his especially delicate body, the West will immediately start screaming: "It's Putin who has poisoned it again! To not share the Nobel Prize ... "Absurd? Of course! So there is no need to reach him in his attempts to get a Western "gingerbread" - moreover, it is pretty moldy and with an extremely dubious filling. Isn't it absurd for the head of a great power to compete with an unhealthy Swedish girl who preaches "ecological" madness and has become an "icon" of modern Luddites? Yes, yes, Greta Thunberg is again, like last year, nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize, what did you expect?

No, you can, of course, treat this issue extremely philosophically, as did Dmitry Peskov, who commented on the nomination of Vladimir Vladimirovich with the words: "They will be awarded the prize - great, no - it's also okay." But perhaps it is worth stopping to play with the West in its game, the chance of winning in which is adequate to the prospect of receiving a prize from the station thimbler? Let me remind you that our president has been nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize several times and not only by Mr. Komkov. In 2013, this was done by the International Academy for the Spiritual Unity of the Nations of the World, as well as Peter Truscott, a member of the House of Lords of the British Parliament and a former Minister of Energy of Great Britain.

Then the foundation was more than weighty - the active participation of Vladimir Putin in the peace process in Syria. And "Crimean Spring" did not stand between us and the West at that time. However, the award was received by the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) - the one that is actively involved in stirring up the scandal around the "Navalny poisoning", and before that was fully noted in the "Skripal case", lies about "chemical attacks in Syria" and other Russophobic provocations ... Buns, you know, they need to be worked out. And with all diligence. Personally, I am most impressed by the point of view on this issue of Sergei Markov, expressed by him back then, in 2013: "Putin will not receive the Nobel Prize even if he stops the invasion of the Martians!" On my own I will add - even if he accomplishes this feat alone and in front of the whole world. The awarding of this award long ago turned into a closed "get-together", where all decisions are made solely on the basis of political expediency and current situation. And without any connection with reality.

In 2019, the Prime Minister of Ethiopia, Abiy Ahmed Ali, became the laureate, allegedly having “reconciled” something with Eritrea. As far as I remember, peace negotiations were disrupted, borders were closed and the conflict resumed even before the award was presented in Oslo. But who cares ... However, the question is not in Ethiopia. And even, by and large, not in the Nobel Prize itself, which has long been the object of extremely caustic criticism from thinking people in the West itself for its bias and obvious bias. It's about what exactly ridiculous attempts to participate in any such events bring Russia - "awards", "ratings" and similar "vanity fairs".

Already now, the Western media are using the news about the nomination of the President of Russia for the Nobel Peace Prize as an excuse to once again, excuse the expression, it is banal to “wash the bones” both for him and for our whole country, recalling all its “sins” and “Crimes” - from Georgia and Crimea to Skripals and Navalny. We, of course, do not care, but why once again tease this pack and listen to nasty things in our address? Is it really unclear that every such situation gives the West reason to try again and again to push Russia around, to tell her, teach her how to live and poke her nose into our affairs. And then we take offense at the resolutions of the European Parliament, it is not clear from what hangover who is taking to decide whether the amendments to the Russian Constitution, for which the Russians voted, are constitutional, and to make other statements of the same kind regarding issues that do not concern him at all. And there is nothing to be offended! It's your own fault. Since we need their awards, recognition, approval - therefore, we are ready to endure kicks and spits, listen to lectures, and most importantly - follow them.

However, it does not reach. In domestic publications, there is a lively discussion of the issue that Vladimir Vladimirovich was not (and for the third time in a row!) In the "list of the 100 most influential people in the world in a year" from the American magazine Time! Just think - it appeared in it as many as six times, in 2015, 2016 and 2017 it was in it, and now it is not included. What a horror, what a loss ... There will be no Putin's name next to Black Lives Matter activists, American actresses and rappers. Will he survive ?! Oh, yes, Trump is on the list, and Merkel, and even Comrade Xi. Some people are especially pressing on this - the head of the PRC was left, but our leader is being ignored, and for the third year in a row. Doesn't it occur to anyone that the West still hopes to "tame" China and force them to act "according to the rules," but have they completely despaired of the possibility of "building" Russia? And thanks to Putin.

Shall we continue to humiliate ourselves on such "important reasons", to go out of our way to earn the favor of the "white masters", receiving sonorous slaps in response? Maybe we will still compete for the Oscar - we will shoot something grandiose with state money, about black Russians of unconventional orientation, suffering from “communist tyranny”? However, judging by the "masterpieces" of some domestic filmmakers, this is not long left ... Or maybe we still remember about national pride, about the sense of dignity of those times when our country did not try to follow someone else's rules, but established its own? It's about time, in my opinion.
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  1. Cyril Online Cyril
    Cyril (Kirill) 25 September 2020 10: 39
    -8
    Well, what is Friday without the next opus Neukropny))
  2. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
    Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) 25 September 2020 10: 59
    -6
    For example, how long will our country try to "integrate" into the system of false "values" and "incentives" created by the West and exclusively for the West, initially based on biased and hypocritical assessments?

    So there are no others.
    1. Vladimir Tuzakov (Vladimir Tuzakov) 25 September 2020 11: 08
      +8
      Oleg R. The values ​​of the Slavic, and especially the Russian, world are deliberately destroyed, and then there are no others ... Only because B. Abama was given the Peace Prize just for becoming the President of the United States, this enterprise, which has become a political instrument, has already been completely discredited. .. Nobeleiskaya is sliding towards "Shnobel's" ...
      1. Cyril Online Cyril
        Cyril (Kirill) 25 September 2020 11: 22
        -9
        Values ​​of the Slavic, and especially the Russian world

        Can you list?
        1. Vladimir Tuzakov (Vladimir Tuzakov) 25 September 2020 11: 25
          +9
          Study the press and the media over the past decades, you will find the answer ... Increase literacy, except for gag without factual material I see nothing ...
          1. Cyril Online Cyril
            Cyril (Kirill) 25 September 2020 11: 33
            -8
            except for a gag without factual material I see nothing ...

            Said a man who is unable to list the "values ​​of the Russian world", which he so stubbornly defends. The question was simple - just list.

            It is generally typical for jingoistic patriots - absolutely not to understand their own point of view.
            1. Vladimir Tuzakov (Vladimir Tuzakov) 25 September 2020 11: 35
              +7
              See the comments above and delve into, idle talk and trolling and rushing from you ...
              1. Cyril Online Cyril
                Cyril (Kirill) 25 September 2020 11: 36
                -6
                In the comments above, no "values ​​of the Russian world" are listed. There is nothing to delve into.
      2. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
        Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) 25 September 2020 15: 36
        -8
        Judging by the elusive signs, the Slavic brothers chose the so-called "Western values". And without exception, including Belarusians.
        I wanted to ask what kind of values ​​of the "Russian world" are these, but judging by your discussion with the respected Cyril, you don't know the answer. Can you at least say that in your life there is an original Russian, from the "Russian world", without admixture of the pernicious influence of the "West"?
        1. Vladimir Tuzakov (Vladimir Tuzakov) 25 September 2020 18: 07
          +4
          Apparently I am discussing with pro-Western (pro-Israel) commentators ... Then there are fundamental differences and opponents have a certain blindness to some political events ...
          1. Natan bruk Offline Natan bruk
            Natan bruk (Natan Bruk) 25 September 2020 19: 03
            -5
            Well, tell us, finally, what are these - the values ​​of the Russian world? Well, just list, I wonder.
            1. Vladimir Tuzakov (Vladimir Tuzakov) 25 September 2020 21: 08
              +3
              Imagine the values ​​of the Jewish world for you, this is the same for the Russian world ...
              1. Natan bruk Offline Natan bruk
                Natan bruk (Natan Bruk) 26 September 2020 06: 18
                -4
                So you still can't formulate how the values ​​of the Russian World differ from the values ​​of other "worlds"?
                1. Vladimir Tuzakov (Vladimir Tuzakov) 26 September 2020 10: 45
                  +2
                  I will answer in Hebrew: How do you think the wording and signs of the values ​​of the "Russian world" look like?
            2. Dear sofa expert. 26 September 2020 01: 35
              +2
              Well, tell us, finally, what are these - the values ​​of the Russian world? Well, just list, I wonder.

              Yes, at least the language in which you are trying to be clever here.
              What else? Or do you think your doggy Hebrew is more popular in the world?
              1. Natan bruk Offline Natan bruk
                Natan bruk (Natan Bruk) 26 September 2020 06: 20
                -3
                Is the Russian language the value of the Russian world? :)))) Is English the value of the Anglo-Saxon world? Could you think of anything smarter?
                1. Dear sofa expert. 26 September 2020 09: 51
                  +1
                  Is the Russian language the value of the Russian world?

                  Definitely yes! This is one of his values.

                  I already gave this link to one "not able to google". Now for you:

                  https://russkiymir.ru/events/docs/Смыслы%20и%20ценности%20Русского%20мира%202010.pdf

                  Read.
                  It is impossible to conduct your educational program in SMS format (something that you have not understood in your entire life!) - alas, it is impossible.
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          2. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
            Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) 25 September 2020 23: 45
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            Quote: Vladimir Tuzakov
            Apparently I am discussing with pro-Western (pro-Israel) commentators ...

            Does it matter? Are you an anti-Semite?

            Quote: Vladimir Tuzakov
            the opponents have a certain blindness to some political events ...

            What does political events have to do with it? These are all particulars, you are asked about the idea. What is the fundamental difference between the values ​​of the "Russian world" and the "Western world"?
        2. Dear sofa expert. 26 September 2020 00: 55
          +3
          but judging by your discussion with the dear Cyril

          And judging by the "authority of the user" neither Cyril, nor you yourself - all the more (!), You are not particularly respected on this site.
          1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
            Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) 26 September 2020 01: 33
            -3
            Dear, the low "user authority" on this site is a praise for me. Can you answer for the dear Vladimir Tuzakov about the differences between the values ​​of the "Russian world" from the "western".
            1. Dear sofa expert. 26 September 2020 01: 40
              +2
              Maybe you will answer for the dear Vladimir Tuzakov about the difference between the values ​​of the "Russian world" and the "Western".

              Yes, I can easily answer. Only you have to read it yourself. It will be a lot of honor to throw beads in front of you.

              Read:

              https://russkiymir.ru/events/docs/Смыслы%20и%20ценности%20Русского%20мира%202010.pdf
              1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
                Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) 26 September 2020 12: 07
                -3
                The heel has grown to throw the beads? Have you read this article yourself? Several points of view are expressed there. Kiril says that the Russian world is a community of Russians, Ukrainians and Belarusians. Do you really consider yourself one people with the Ukrainians? It is written that for Russians power is sacred, is power for you from God?
                Already once "autocracy, Orthodoxy, nationality" brought the country to a tsegundera, do you want to repeat?
                1. Dear sofa expert. 26 September 2020 15: 09
                  +3
                  The heel has grown to throw the beads?

                  Well, you know better what you have there. Beads in front of the patch are thrown, if that.

                  Kiril says that the Russian world is a community of Russians, Ukrainians and Belarusians.

                  Kyril is a priori, not Russian (the Russian version of the name Cyril is spelled with two "l") therefore his demagogic reasoning on a topic alien to him is of no interest to me.

                  Do you really consider yourself one people with the Ukrainians?

                  To be honest, I do not know at all such an ethnic group - "Ukrainian".
                  The territory of today's non-state "Ukraine" is inhabited by various ethnic groups: Russians, Poles, Jews, Tatars, Greeks, Hungarians, Hutsuls, etc. etc. So your question is not for me.

                  Already once "autocracy, Orthodoxy, nationality" brought the country to a tsegundera, do you want to repeat?

                  Let's start with the word "tsegunder" - it itself does not carry any semantic meaning to me. Express yourself more clearly, well, or at least spell the words correctly if you are trying to demonstrate your "miracles" of polemics here.
                  1. Cyril Online Cyril
                    Cyril (Kirill) 27 September 2020 01: 45
                    -4
                    Kyril is a priori, not Russian (the Russian version of the name Cyril is spelled with two "l") therefore his demagogic reasoning on a topic alien to him is of no interest to me.

                    About my name. It's a nickname, not my name. Only a not too smart person can judge the nationality and citizenship of a person by his nickname on the site.

                    his demagogic reasoning on a topic alien to him

                    First, what is "demagoguery"? I just asked a person who broadcasts about the "values ​​of the Russian world" to list these very values. If a person knows and understands them, it is not difficult for him to express them in a short form, right? So.

                    But a person cannot do this, instead he comes up with various excuses. The second person, instead of answering this simple question, begins to send some carts, which he himself, most likely, did not read.
                    1. Dear sofa expert. 27 September 2020 12: 14
                      +2
                      Only a not too smart person can judge a person's nationality and citizenship by his nickname on the site.

                      Smart enough to figure it out. You don’t mind this directly even now ..

                      They don’t know a damn thing.

                      Here we go again. Talk about Russians in the third person. That means you don't belong to them.

                      A little educational program for the "especially gifted":

                      SMOKING is not a name, but a verb (in the past tense)))
                      1. Cyril Online Cyril
                        Cyril (Kirill) 27 September 2020 19: 10
                        -2
                        Smart enough to figure it out.

                        This man flatters himself. Very flattering. It's godless.

                        Here we go again. Talk about Russians in the third person. That means you don't belong to them.

                        I'm talking about specific commentators on this site. But you don't understand that either.

                        SMOKING is not a name, but a verb (in the past tense)))

                        A topic close to you, obviously
                  2. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
                    Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) 27 September 2020 02: 21
                    -3
                    Quote: Dear sofa expert.
                    Well, you know better what you have there. Beads in front of the patch are thrown, if that.

                    I don’t understand anything about your beastliness, so this topic is not interesting to me. You make me go down to your level, I don't like it there. Let's not go back to this topic.

                    Quote: Dear sofa expert.
                    Kyril is a priori, not Russian (the Russian version of the name Cyril is spelled with two "l") therefore his demagogic reasoning on a topic alien to him is of no interest to me.

                    Sorry, I mean Patriarch Kirill. For him, the Russian world is where the power of the Moscow Patriarchate is spreading.

                    Quote: Dear sofa expert.
                    To be honest, I do not know at all such an ethnic group - "Ukrainian".
                    The territory of today's non-state "Ukraine" is inhabited by various ethnic groups: Russians, Poles, Jews, Tatars, Greeks, Hungarians, Hutsuls, etc. etc. So your question is not for me.

                    Do you know the third largest Slavic people, after the Russians and Poles? It happens. Then the question is really not for you. It's funny, but such mouthpieces of the "Russian world" as Patriarch Kirill and Girkin consider Ukrainians a part of this world. Are you sure that you are a supporter of the "Russian world"

                    Quote: Dear sofa expert.
                    Let's start with the word "tsegunder" - it itself does not carry any semantic meaning to me. Express yourself more clearly, well, or at least spell the words correctly if you are trying to demonstrate your "miracles" of polemics here.

                    What is not clear to you? The adherents of "autocracy, Orthodoxy, nationality" ruled the country at the end of the XNUMXth and beginning of the XNUMXth century and led the Republic of Ingushetia to world war, revolution, the collapse of the state and, as a result, millions of victims.
                    1. Dear sofa expert. 27 September 2020 12: 29
                      +2
                      Do you know the third largest Slavic people, after the Russians and Poles? It happens.

                      Let's just say - I don't recognize him.
                      Otherwise, all the outskirts of any states should be recognized as separate ethnic groups.
                      Pole is an ethnos. The Poles at least have their own language. "Ukrainians" have surzhik (a mixture of Russian and Polish & Co)
                      The attitude of the Poles to the Slavic group, today, is also purely conditional.
                      Shlyakhtichs, for example, never considered themselves to be Slavs, and in fact they were not.

                      The adherents of "autocracy, Orthodoxy, nationality" ruled the country at the end of the XNUMXth century and the beginning of the XNUMXth century and led the Republic of Ingushetia to world war

                      Insanity grew stronger))
                      I will answer with a phrase from a famous film:
                      .. Did I ruin the chapel too?)))
                      1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
                        Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) 29 September 2020 14: 54
                        -3
                        Quote: Dear sofa expert.
                        Let's just say - I don't recognize him.
                        Otherwise, all the outskirts of any states should be recognized as separate ethnic groups.

                        Your recognition or non-recognition hardly worries anyone, the main thing is whether the Ukrainians themselves recognize themselves.

                        Quote: Dear sofa expert.
                        "Ukrainians" have surzhik (a mixture of Russian and Polish & Co)

                        Surzhik is a mixture of Ukrainian and Russian. Ukrainian is a direct descendant of the Old Russian language.

                        Quote: Dear sofa expert.
                        The attitude of the Poles to the Slavic group, today, is also purely conditional.

                        Where do you get all this from? The Poles went from the western glades, the basis of Kievan Rus was the eastern glades, these are kindred peoples, like the Ukrainians and Russians now.

                        Quote: Dear sofa expert.
                        Shlyakhtichs, for example, never considered themselves to be Slavs, and in fact they were not.

                        Where did you get this?

                        Quote: Dear sofa expert.
                        I will answer with a phrase from a famous film:
                        .. Did I ruin the chapel too?)))

                        You don't know, it was the state ideology of the Republic of Ingushetia, formulated by Uvarov.

                        So after all, power is sacred to you?
                      2. Dear sofa expert. 29 September 2020 16: 24
                        +2
                        So after all, power is sacred to you?

                        Of course not. What does sacred mean? We do not live in the Middle Ages, what would be something, or someone to worship. Nothing is more important to me than myself and my family.
                        On the other hand - the power that corresponds to my personal interests and beliefs - yes, I support such power ... if you call it sacred.
                      3. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
                        Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) 29 September 2020 19: 00
                        -3
                        Quote: Dear sofa expert.
                        ... if you call it sacred.

                        I don’t name it, Mr. Gromyko says in the article you quoted. (which you seem to have not read)

                        Among the political values ​​of the Russian world: sacredness
                        power, paternalism, sovereignty. Among the spiritual values: spirituality (in
                        sense of the domination of the spiritual over the material), messianism (Moscow -
                        Third Rome), idealism, humility (or passion). Among the worldview values: contemplation, justice, providentialism (or
                        even fatalism), sacrifice. Among the behavioral (behavioristic) values: benevolence, sociability, openness, tolerance (in the sense of tolerance), generosity, hospitality

                        I ask if you share all the values ​​of the Russian world.
                        Are you tolerant?
                        Power from God?
                      4. Dear sofa expert. 29 September 2020 20: 14
                        +2
                        I do not name, Mr. Gromyko calls in the article you quoted (which you seem to have not read)

                        Do not worry about me so much - I read it, or I didn’t.) I read a lot of things. (As well as I wrote ..)
                        To begin with, think about milking yourself; at least what Gromyko, the example you cited, said.
                        And he spoke just about the sacredness of power in conjunction with paternalism.
                        I don’t know if this word tells you anything.
                        And it means exactly what I had in mind, speaking of:

                        .... the power that corresponds to my personal interests and beliefs - yes, I support such power, ..

                        For educational program you:

                        Paternalism (from Latin paternus - "paternal, paternal") is a system of relations in which the authorities provide for the needs of citizens, and citizens, in exchange for this, allow the authorities to dictate models of their behavior, both public and private.

                        Wiki
                      5. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
                        Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) 1 October 2020 01: 48
                        -3
                        Quote: Dear sofa expert.
                        Do not worry about me so much - I read it, or I didn’t.) I read a lot of things. (As well as I wrote ..)

                        But you must admit, it's strange to refer to an article that you have not read yourself.

                        Quote: Dear sofa expert.
                        To begin with, think about milking yourself; at least what Gromyko, the example you cited, said.

                        The funny thing is that you cited Gromyko as an example, but you were not aware of it, since you had not read this article.

                        Quote: Dear sofa expert.
                        And he spoke just about the sacredness of power in conjunction with paternalism

                        That is, while power provides your needs, is it from God, as soon as it ceases, sacredness disappears? For a highly spiritual representative of the Russian world, there is a strongly mercantile, "Western" approach.

                        Quote: Dear sofa expert.
                        I don’t know if this word tells you anything.
                        .
                        For educational program you:

                        Don't bother, the idea of ​​paternalism (how good it is to live in a flock) is clear to me. Do you share it? Have you read this wiki article to the end?
                        I think paternalism is destructive for the country, it is better to distribute fishing rods than fish.
                        So are you tolerant?
                      6. Dear sofa expert. 1 October 2020 08: 11
                        +2
                        But you must admit, it's strange to refer to an article that you have not read yourself.

                        Nothing strange, for some reason you asked me to answer for Mr. Tuzakov.
                        It seemed to me that it was not entirely appropriate, to do here, and even, in sms format, your educational program yourself.
                        I have selected the material more or less suitable for your needs, and sent it to you. Not a bad material in my opinion to understand the interests.

                        I personally don't need to read this.
                        I am a Russian person, and with this I myself am the bearer of the values ​​of the Russian world as a whole. I have it in my soul, with my mother's milk.
                        I don't need to dig into all these little things.
                        As the owl said from the famous anecdote: “I am a strategist, not some petty tactician.))
                        You are only interested in some small details.
                        Here, read, study, rummage through your curious stigma, look for "roots". This is apparently your destiny.
                      7. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
                        Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) 2 October 2020 14: 18
                        -3
                        Quote: Dear sofa expert.
                        Nothing strange, for some reason you asked me to answer for Mr. Tuzakov.
                        It seemed to me that it was not entirely appropriate, to do here, and even, in sms format, your educational program yourself.

                        You misunderstood me, about the "Russian world" I seem to know more than you. This forum is full of supporters of the "Russian world", but not one (which you have perfectly confirmed) is unable to formulate the main ideas of this movement. It's funny.
                        The same can be said about the supporters of the communists. I wonder if the supporters of liberal ideas are the same?

                        Quote: Dear sofa expert.
                        I personally don't need to read this.
                        I am a Russian person, and with this I myself am the bearer of the values ​​of the Russian world as a whole. I have it in my soul, with my mother's milk.

                        It is clear that you do not need anything. Many knowledge - many sorrows. From the little that we managed to draw out from you, we see that your views on the "Russian world" do not coincide with the views of such mouthpieces of this world as Patriarch Kirill or Girkin.

                        Quote: Dear sofa expert.
                        You are only interested in some small details.

                        Come on, bomb something global, not petty, I'm already losing hope of hearing from you something sensible.

                        Quote: Dear sofa expert.
                        Here, read, study, rummage through your curious stigma, look for "roots". This is apparently your destiny.

                        Are you switching back to your favorite pig topic? Can you do animal husbandry? Or some kind of childhood trauma? Want to talk about it?
                      8. Dear sofa expert. 2 October 2020 17: 45
                        +2
                        You misunderstood me, about the "Russian world" I seem to know more than you.

                        Yeah.)
                        You, with your worthless demagoguery, now know who you remind me of?
                        The kind of experts sitting in a semicircle opposite the director who created a successful film.
                        And here these "experts" sit, and one by one they competently argue about "that deepest meaning" that the director put into his film.
                        And the director sits, listens to all this, and thinks: Have I really created such a masterpiece? It seems that I thought of everything much easier)))

                        You, my friend, would have to discuss with Malevich about the fifth wall of the "black square" that you saw with talent).)

                        It’s clear that you don’t need anything. Many knowledge - many sorrows.

                        Yes, I'm fine today. Just great! Friday, rest!)

                        Come on, bomb something global, not petty, I'm already losing hope of hearing from you something sensible.

                        Sorry, but you didn't really inspire me to do more. You are boring troll.
                      9. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
                        Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) 4 October 2020 00: 00
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                        Quote: Dear sofa expert.
                        Yeah.)
                        You, with your worthless demagoguery, now know who you remind me of?
                        .... It seems that I thought of everything much easier)))

                        This is again from ignorance of the subject. Listen to the main philosopher of the "Russian world" Dugin. Everything there is not simple and even gives off mysticism.

                        Quote: Dear sofa expert.
                        Yes, I'm fine today. Just great! Friday, rest!)

                        Well, you see how the hell the Russian world is when it's Friday.

                        Quote: Dear sofa expert.
                        Sorry, but you didn't really inspire me to do more. You are boring troll.

                        Excuse me, but what are you, red girl, what would I inspire and amuse you? E mine, a simple question was asked, the basic ideas of the Russian world, you have already written more than one page of text, but nothing on the topic, zero, zero.
                      10. isofat Offline isofat
                        isofat (isofat) 4 October 2020 00: 05
                        +2
                        Oleg Rambover... You are boring troll. Yeah. love

                        Quote: Dear couch expert.
                        You are boring troll.
                      11. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
                        Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) 4 October 2020 02: 49
                        -1
                        What are you doing? Have you read Mowgli? There was such a Tabaki. Although respected Dear Couch Expert does not pull on Sherkhan.
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                  3. Dear sofa expert. 4 October 2020 00: 21
                    +2
                    Excuse me, but what are you, red girl, what would I inspire and amuse you?

                    What does it have to do with it? Look, even the seasons inspire poets to masterpieces. But for this, autumn must be golden, and you must be "rainy". Spring is ringing like a drop, and you are boring.
                    In short, you are not nice to me (just like your colleague - with a verb name).
                  4. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
                    Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) 4 October 2020 02: 44
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                    Ahhh ... what nonsense, spring, drops, butterflies in the stomach ...
                    But we all know perfectly well, you have nothing to say stupidly. You are not able to clearly articulate your thoughts, though not the fact that they are. Damn poet.

                    Quote: Dear sofa expert.
                    In short, you are not nice to me (just like your colleague - with a verb name).

                    So I also don't like Black Hundreds like you. Quite the contrary. This can be said to be of scientific interest. Communication with you reassured me, the complete absence of an idea among your brother says that you are not in a position to form a coherent political force. It is calming.
                  5. Dear sofa expert. 4 October 2020 10: 22
                    +2
                    Communication with you reassured me, complete lack of idea among your brother

                    Whoa! I turn out to be "an indicator of the presence of our brother's ideas"!))
                    Whose brother will you be?

                    In fact, it makes no sense to have some kind of constructive discussions with the fusophobe troll. Your job tasks are not intended to delve into the essence of what was said to you.
                    It is your destiny to take out of context something that you can catch on to, and use it for your endless criticism. So it is conceived for you - to shit, so to shit.
                    I personally don't need this. (As well as many who are here).
                    By the way, I'm almost the only one here who answers something to you. But already to me you have become disgusting with your "wide" importunity.
                  6. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
                    Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) 5 October 2020 09: 45
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                    Quote: Dear sofa expert.
                    Whoa! I turn out to be "an indicator of the presence of our brother's ideas"!))

                    Not one of your brothers was able to formulate the main ideas of the "Russian world".

                    Quote: Dear sofa expert.
                    Whose brother will you be?

                    I have never hidden that I adhere to liberal views.

                    Quote: Dear sofa expert.
                    In fact, it makes no sense to have some kind of constructive discussions with the fusophobe troll. Your job tasks are not intended to delve into the essence of what was said to you.

                    Would you like to rave? What are the service tasks? This is pure enthusiasm.

                    Quote: Dear sofa expert.
                    By the way, I'm almost the only one here who answers something to you. But already to me you have become disgusting with your "wide" importunity.

                    Please note that you responded to my comment (and continues to respond).

                    By the way, about tolerance, you, of course, do not understand what it is.

                    Tolerance - tolerance for a different kind of views, morals, habits. Tolerance is necessary in relation to the characteristics of different peoples, nations and religions. It is a sign of self-confidence and consciousness of the reliability of one's own positions, a sign of an ideological current open to all, which is not afraid of comparison with other points of view and does not avoid spiritual competition.

                    You do not give the impression of a confident person in your positions, you cannot even voice these positions.
                  7. isofat Offline isofat
                    isofat (isofat) 5 October 2020 14: 02
                    +2
                    Quote: Oleg Rambover
                    Not one of your brothers was able to formulate the main ideas of the "Russian world".

                    Oleg Rambover, you don't like Russian!
                  8. Dear sofa expert. 5 October 2020 19: 58
                    +3
                    I have never hidden that I adhere to liberal views.

                    ... By the way, about tolerance, you obviously don't understand what it is ..

                    Oh, how is it?)

                    But I have big doubts that you generally understand what you are trying to reason about here.

                    So that's it. Unfortunately, there is a rather sad world experience!
                    Liberal ideas that you love are very often implemented forcibly and even aggressively. The dominants of your tolerance do not have such a moral right: to cover up violence and be the cause of armed conflicts, local wars in which people are killed and maimed, millions lose their homeland and migrate, and countries are deprived of their statehood. And precisely because of this, liberalism is so often rejected by society.

                    Your vision of liberalism is a kind of stubborn striving for quasi-freedom of the human spirit from the restrictions imposed by religion, traditions, the state and any other structures.

                    Do you position yourself as an adherent of liberalism and at the same time impose yours on everyone, while ignoring other opinions?

                    Then answer, where is your own tolerance? Demonstrate here the tone and argumentation at the level of kitchen disputes. Where is your personal liberalism?

                    About the fact that I had to "formulate" something for you? Why on earth would I be throwing beads in front of you?

                    I have already made it clear to you that I do not intend to engage in your educational program here.
                    If you do not have enough "flexibility" of the brain to understand my rather intelligible statements without additional explanations, then you are at the wrong place.

                    What are the service tasks? It's pure enthusiasm

                    Do not tell me my mouth, as they say in your Odessa.)
                  9. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
                    Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) 6 October 2020 15: 10
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                    Quote: Dear sofa expert.
                    So that's it. Unfortunately, there is a rather sad world experience!
                    Liberal ideas that you love are very often implemented forcibly and even aggressively.

                    In my opinion you are doing a monstrous generalization. You will not say that Trump or Bush is a liberal, are you? These are your favorite conservatives.

                    Quote: Dear sofa expert.
                    The dominants of your tolerance do not have such a moral right:

                    I agree that liberal ideas cannot be implanted by force, and this is not necessary. They have been conquering the world since the French Revolution. You are not ready to abandon the liberal principles prescribed in the Constitution of the Russian Federation? And from the constitution itself, which is also a liberal conquest?

                    Quote: Dear sofa expert.
                    cover up violence and be the cause of armed conflicts, local wars in which people are killed and maimed, millions lose their homeland and migrate, and countries are deprived of statehood. And precisely because of this, liberalism is so often rejected by society.

                    You don't see the dynamic process. The warrior is much smaller, orders of magnitude fewer people die in them. Compare with the first half of the XNUMXth century. Or with the XIX century.
                    In most cases, crises in countries begin for internal reasons and only then external forces are involved.

                    Quote: Dear sofa expert.
                    Do you position yourself as an adherent of liberalism and at the same time impose yours on everyone, while ignoring other opinions?

                    Well, I never heard your opinion, and where did I impose something on someone?

                    Quote: Dear sofa expert.
                    Then answer, where is your own tolerance? Demonstrate here the tone and argumentation at the level of kitchen disputes. Where is your personal liberalism?

                    What is the reasoning? I asked to formulate the ideas of the "Russian world", you volunteered at first, but could not and began to be rude without provocation. What are your claims is not clear?

                    Quote: Dear sofa expert.
                    About the fact that I had to "formulate" something for you? Why on earth would I be throwing beads in front of you?

                    Where did I say you should? You can’t and don’t, I didn’t really count. You yourself volunteered, gave a link to an article in which the postulates of the "Russian world" are spelled out. I asked if you really share them, and you started to have some kind of inadequate reaction.
                    Are you starting your favorite pig topic again? You repeat yourself. Don't you understand that your not particularly intilictal rudeness speaks only of the weakness of your position?

                    Quote: Dear sofa expert.
                    I have already made it clear to you that I do not intend to engage in your educational program here.
                    If you do not have enough "flexibility" of the brain to understand my rather intelligible statements without additional explanations, then you are at the wrong place.

                    Do not flatter yourself, who is interested in your educational program? It was interesting for me to hear YOUR views on the movement "Russian world" to which YOU list yourself as supporters. I have never met such a supporter who could clearly formulate his views. What are the reasons? What "Russian world" have you absorbed with your mother's milk? Or that you have one Ukrainian grandmother and another Jewish? With all due respect to your ancestors, what does this have to do with your understanding of the "Russian world"?

                  10. Dear sofa expert. 6 October 2020 15: 22
                    +2
                    In my opinion you are doing a monstrous generalization. You will not say that Trump or Bush is a liberal, are you? These are your favorite conservatives.

                    Oh, save your cheap demagoguery for your grandchildren.)

                    More often than not, it was under the Democrats that Washington entered the longest and bloodiest armed conflicts.

                    In 1970, a coup took place in Cambodia, and the new government of the first popularly elected president, Lon Nol, tried to expel the communists from the country. North Vietnam came to the aid of the comrades-in-arms. To support Lon Nol, the United States and South Vietnam brought troops to Cambodia. However, such a powerful wave of antiwar protests swept across the United States, where society was experiencing the "Vietnamese Syndrome", that the Americans left Cambodia two months later. The President was then the Republican Richard Nixon (1969-1974), who, by the way, marked the beginning of the end of the Vietnam War.

                    The United States entered the Vietnam War in 1964. The country was then led by Democrat Lyndon Johnson (1963-1969). In addition, under him, the Americans invaded Laos (where they remained until 1973), drew Cambodia into the Vietnam War by bombing the border territories, and once again occupied the Dominican Republic.

                    In short, read on for yourself:

                    https://www.ria.ru/amp/20180322/1516937053.html
                  11. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
                    Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) 7 October 2020 01: 42
                    -1
                    Eh ...
                    This is for you the United States the beacon of democracy, and their president is almost the general secretary of the Central Committee of the Liberals (Probably this is the legacy of the USSR). This is not the case for me. And there are questions about democracy in the United States, and certainly the American president, be he even a democrat, or even more so a republican, is not the leader of the liberals. There is an idea for Liberté, Égalité, Fraternité, it is not 100% implemented anywhere at the moment, I think the USA is not even included in the top 20. These ideals may never be achieved, but they are worth striving for. The history of the last 150 years shows that humanity is moving in this direction.
                    So all the same, you are ready to abandon the liberal constitution and liberal human rights in the unwritten ones in order to get rid of the pernicious influence of the West?
                  12. Dear sofa expert. 7 October 2020 10: 14
                    +2
                    This is for you the United States the beacon of democracy, and their president is almost the general secretary of the Central Committee of the Liberals (Probably this is the legacy of the USSR). This is not the case for me. And there are questions about democracy in the United States, and certainly the American president, whether at least a democrat, or even more so a republican, is not the leader of the liberals.

                    However, it is you who give me your, apparently unsuccessful, example of American presidents:

                    You will not say that Trump or Bush is a liberal, are you? These are your favorite conservatives.

                    And I, as it were, did not claim it.

                    So all the same, you are ready to abandon the liberal constitution and liberal human rights in the unwritten ones in order to get rid of the pernicious influence of the West?

                    Don't be populistic and don't distort the facts.
                    I have already said that liberalism itself does not carry negative content. And the very principles of liberalism were not laid down by today's "Libersls".
                    It's just that people like you are ready to pervert any, in principle, not bad ideas with your false "tolerances".
                    I have already said why "your" liberalism rejects society so much. Why repeat yourself?
                    Liberation and liberalism are not the same thing.
      3. isofat Offline isofat
        isofat (isofat) 4 October 2020 14: 17
        +2
        Quote: Oleg Rambover
        But we all know perfectly well, you have nothing to say stupidly. You are not able to clearly formulate your thoughts, the truth is not the fact that they are

        Oleg Ramboverwhy are you with manic persistently seeking a dialogue with such a person? smile

        Be able to adequately lose the argument! Don't stoop to insults when you have nothing more to say.
      4. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
        Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) 4 October 2020 23: 26
        -3
        Quote: isofat
        Oleg Rambover, why are you trying to get a dialogue with such a person with manic persistence?

        The worldview of people is just interesting, especially the right and the extreme right. Perhaps you are right, I am too persistent.

        Quote: isofat
        Be able to adequately lose the argument!

        Well, first of all, was there a dispute? For what?
        And secondly, are you going to tell me about a worthy loss? Isn't that funny yourself? You, who in dialogue, after a couple of unsuccessful arguments, turns to stupid rudeness? Explain why you tried to find me on VKontakte? So what do you think is a worthy loss?

        Quote: isofat
        Don't stoop to insults when you have nothing more to say.

        Of course, I always have something to say. But sinful, this is certainly a weak excuse, but you might notice that in a discussion I never go over to the person first. This is always the answer.
  3. Dear sofa expert. 1 October 2020 09: 46
    +2
    I think paternalism is destructive for the country, it is better to distribute fishing rods than fish.

    The principles of paternalism are at the core of almost any modern state. Including the democratic one. I hope you know the attributes of the state?

    Otherwise - anarchy turns out)

    So are you tolerant?

    In acceptable to my personal principles and beliefs - yes.
  4. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
    Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) 2 October 2020 14: 35
    -3
    Quote: Dear sofa expert.
    The principles of paternalism are at the core of almost any modern statehood. Including democratic.

    One cannot agree with this. Paternalism in the context of power is the relationship between a shepherd and a herd, or a father and an unreasonable child of preschool age. The father from God (sacralen) and the father are not chosen through general competitive elections. Now we are witnessing the collapse of paternalism in neighboring Belarus. There are fewer and fewer countries in the world where the leader-father leads an unreasonable flock to a bright future. Such systems are stupidly ineffective.

    Quote: Dear sofa expert.
    I hope you know the attributes of the state?

    Flag, anthem, coat of arms?

    Quote: Dear sofa expert.
    In acceptable to my personal principles and beliefs - yes.

    Are you a little pregnant by type?
  5. Dear sofa expert. 2 October 2020 17: 27
    +3
    I hope you know the attributes of the state?
    Flag, anthem, coat of arms?

    Well, okay, I probably did not formulate the question quite correctly. I'm sorry.
    I didn’t mean “attributes of the state”, although there, in addition to the state symbols “flag, anthem and coat of arms”, there is also the presence of a certain territory, sovereignty, a broad social base, a monopoly on legitimate violence, the right to collect taxes and the public nature of power. But this is certainly not about that.
    I meant government bodies (legislative, judicial and executive).
    These bodies are the main tools for implementing management decisions.

    By casting your vote in the elections, you thereby give your consent to the transfer, (for a set period), of enormous competences to these, elected by you, representatives of power.

    On this, your "democratic" role ends before the end of the established legislative term. Next is paternalism.)

    Well, there are, of course, countries where referendums are held on every issue (Switzerland, for example), but in most cases, the authorities allow themselves to make decisions “according to the situation,” and without the special consent of the “bearer of the primary will”.)

    In acceptable to my personal principles and beliefs - yes.

    Are you a little pregnant by type?

    Yeah)
  6. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
    Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) 4 October 2020 00: 48
    -2
    Quote: Dear sofa expert.
    These bodies are the main tools for implementing management decisions.

    Management decisions are not paternalism.

    Quote: Dear sofa expert.
    On this, your "democratic" role ends before the end of the established legislative term. Next is paternalism.)

    Not so either. As soon as one election is over, the next election campaign begins. In a democracy, power is highly dependent on the citizens. Paternalism assumes an inverse relationship, citizens (subjects) are more dependent on the authorities.
  7. Dear sofa expert. 4 October 2020 01: 05
    +2
    Management decisions are not paternalism

    To some extent - there is, since we give the right to decide our fate to other people.

    As soon as one election is over, the next election campaign begins.

    Not true. The start of the election campaign is strictly regulated.
    Although, on the other hand, you need to give your words their due - politicians do not disdain anything to achieve their goals. There are only three of them:
    - get power
    - hold on to power
    - exercise power
    If you believe in something more sublime, you are just a flight.

    In a democracy, power is highly dependent on the citizens.

    In a democracy, power is heavily dependent on the stupidity of citizens who believe in "a better king." I was not mistaken in you - you are a flight.
  8. Dear sofa expert. 4 October 2020 01: 32
    +2
    In acceptable to my personal principles and beliefs - yes.

    Are you a little pregnant by type?

    It's absurd nonsense.
    Tolerate the acceptable and not be tolerant of the unacceptable - in my opinion, this is the norm for an adequate person who respects his interests, principles and beliefs. human.

    I am tolerant, for example, to the whims of my own child, but the whims of other people's children annoy me - and this is normal.

    And if someone feels entitled to expect more tolerance from me, then I, in turn, have the right to demand from him tolerance for my intolerance.
  9. Dear sofa expert. 29 September 2020 16: 30
    +2
    Surzhik is a mixture of Ukrainian and Russian. Ukrainian direct descendant of the Old Russian language

    Ukrainians - residents of the outskirts of Russia

    The Ukrainian language as such is a consequence of the polonization of the Slavic Russian language. Therefore, surzhik is essentially a Polish-Russian mixture. As they say - the sum does not change from the change of the places of the terms.
  10. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
    Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) 29 September 2020 18: 53
    -3
    Quote: Dear sofa expert.
    Ukrainians - residents of the outskirts of Russia

    This is ridiculous.

    Quote: Dear sofa expert.
    The Ukrainian language as such is a consequence of the polonization of the Slavic Russian language. Therefore, surzhik is essentially a Polish-Russian mixture. As they say - the sum does not change from the change of the places of the terms.

    Ahh ..., well, then the Russian language as such is the otatarization of the Old Russian language, that is, the Ukrainians speak Tatar Polish. Did I understand correctly?
  11. Dear sofa expert. 29 September 2020 19: 41
    +3
    Ahh ..., well, then the Russian language as such is the otatarization of the Old Russian language, that is, the Ukrainians speak Tatar Polish. Did I understand correctly?

    First, separate the flies from the cutlets. Then it might be easier to understand.)
    There was an ancient Slavic Russian language, which over time and depending on the place of its use, where it was polished, where it was otatarized, etc.
    It is not for nothing that the Russian language is called collective, since in view of the multinationality of vast Russia, it was constantly enriched (and continues!) By infusion of other languages ​​into it.
    This is the wealth of the Russian language, which the great writer Turgenev spoke about.

    In days of doubt, in the days of painful meditations about the fate of my homeland, you are my only support and support, oh great, mighty, truthful and free Russian! Do not be you - how not to fall into despair at the sight of everything that is happening at home? But you can not believe that such a language was not given to the great people!

    I.S. Turgenev
  12. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
    Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) 1 October 2020 01: 12
    -3
    Hmm ... What is the difference then between the Russian language and the Ukrainian language? Both heirs of the Old Russian language (Ukrainian seems to be closer to the original source), both were formed at about the same time, both were strongly influenced by foreign conquerors. Why, then, Russian exists, but Ukrainian does not seem to you.
  13. Dear sofa expert. 1 October 2020 08: 17
    +2
    Hmm ... What is the difference then between the Russian language and the Ukrainian language?

    I'm not looking for a difference, because I fundamentally don't recognize the Ukrainian ethnos.
    There are Russians, and there are Poles & Co. and there is the "Ukrainian language" - the polished Russian language. As we have already said - there are both "otatarny" and so on. Russian languages ​​- but the root word of all these Russian "dialects" is RUSSIAN.
    This closes the curtain.
  14. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
    Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) 2 October 2020 10: 23
    -3
    Quote: Dear sofa expert.
    I'm not looking for a difference, because I fundamentally don't recognize the Ukrainian ethnos.

    It's your problems.

    Quote: Dear sofa expert.
    There are Russians, and there are Poles & Co. and there is the "Ukrainian language" - the polished Russian language. As we have already said - there are both "otatarny" and so on. Russian languages ​​- but the root word of all these Russian "dialects" is RUSSIAN.
    This closes the curtain.

    You seem to be misled by the name (modern) of the common language of Kievan Rus, "Old Russian", with the same success it could have been called Old Ukrainian or Old Belarussian (does the Belarusian language also exist?). Ukrainian and Belarusian languages ​​are not offshoots of Russian, but offshoots of Old Russian (like Russian itself).
    I think it makes no sense to give the opinion of linguists to you, you just believe, and in matters of faith, arguments and facts are meaningless.
  15. Dear sofa expert. 2 October 2020 12: 03
    +2
    with the same success it could be called Old Ukrainian.

    I could, if the word "ukraine" did not originally mean today's - the outskirts. And the outskirts of what: Russia or the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, this is already secondary. Outskirts - there is an outskirts.
  16. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
    Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) 3 October 2020 00: 44
    -1
    Well, God bless him, with the Ukrainian language, you believe in that, but questions of faith are not very interesting to me. Who do you think are the people who call themselves Ukrainians and speak Ukrainian? How are Comrades Girkin and Gundyaev part of the Russian world? And in your opinion, there is a Belarusian language and a Belarusian nation?
  17. Dear sofa expert. 3 October 2020 01: 10
    +2
    Who do you think are the people who call themselves Ukrainians and speak Ukrainian? How are Comrades Girkin and Gundyaev part of the Russian world? And in your opinion, there is a Belarusian language and a Belarusian nation?

    Yes, no one .. I personally do not care who and what has thought up for himself. We're talking about nothing at all, and here's why:
    Here I am:
    My father's father is Russian.
    My father's mother is the daughter of a native of today's Belarus and a Jewess.
    My mother's mother is a native of today's Ukraine, my mother's father is a Russian.
    They all lived in Russia and spoke Russian.
    I am Russian.
  18. isofat Offline isofat
    isofat (isofat) 3 October 2020 01: 19
    +1
    Quote: Oleg Rambover
    And in your opinion, there is a Belarusian language and a Belarusian nation?

    Oleg Rambover, do you doubt that the concept of "Belarusian language" has a denotation?
  • Cyril Online Cyril
    Cyril (Kirill) 26 September 2020 04: 23
    -3
    They don’t know a damn thing. If you knew, they answered long ago. It's so easy to just list the main points.
    1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
      Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) 26 September 2020 12: 17
      -1
      I am not giving up hope.
      1. Cyril Online Cyril
        Cyril (Kirill) 27 September 2020 01: 45
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        In vain. They are hopeless.
  • Peter Tverdokhlebov 25 September 2020 11: 08
    0
    Anyway, it’s time to understand that the head of our state, the Nobel Prize can be awarded solely for its destruction! At least - for the total surrender of his interests and complete surrender to the West.

    He may now be awarded the Nobel Prize for the destruction of chemical weapons in Russia, for the destruction of seven missile divisions of the Strategic Missile Forces, for stalling for time with the adoption of the Sarmat missile system, S-500, etc. etc., for the pension reform, for the fact that he "forgives debts" to everyone there Nigeria, Cuba, Vietnam, etc. and in Russia, meanwhile, money for the treatment of children is collected on TV.
  • steelmaker Offline steelmaker
    steelmaker 25 September 2020 11: 53
    -4
    In the company of Navalny, Greta Thunberg and Trump

    A man's head to eat! And you suggest that Putin's fans think. Than?
    1. 123 Offline 123
      123 (123) 25 September 2020 22: 25
      +4
      A man's head to eat! And you suggest that Putin's fans think. Than?

      Unclear? Does your head sit down?
  • lahudra Offline lahudra
    lahudra (Nikolay Kondrashkin) 25 September 2020 12: 31
    -8
    It would be more correct to give Putin the chemistry prize. After all, there are obvious successes in organophosphorus and radioactive isotopes.
    1. Dear sofa expert. 27 September 2020 00: 53
      +1
      It would be more correct to give Putin the chemistry prize. After all, there are obvious successes in organophosphorus and radioactive isotopes.

      And I would give this award to all those tenacious guys (mutants?) Who have all this chemistry, like an elephant - pellet.)
      A sort of "descriptor" for any chemical warfare agents.
      All these Skripals are tough nuts.)
  • vvnab Offline vvnab
    vvnab (Vitali) 25 September 2020 14: 51
    +2
    until when will our country try to "integrate" into the system of false "values" and "incentives" created by the West and exclusively for the West

    Exactly as long as we are embedded in the Western economic system. No other way...
  • Alexzn Offline Alexzn
    Alexzn (Alexander) 25 September 2020 14: 52
    -3
    Quote: Cyril
    Values ​​of the Slavic, and especially the Russian world

    Can you list?

    This is when more than half of the children are brought up in a single parent family, when the number of murders is 4 times higher than in Europe, when there is an order of magnitude more domestic violence ... When all this is called traditional values ​​...
    1. 123 Offline 123
      123 (123) 25 September 2020 23: 48
      +5
      This is when more than half of the children are brought up in a single parent family, when the number of murders is 4 times higher than in Europe, when there is an order of magnitude more domestic violence ... When all this is called traditional values ​​...

      Perhaps it is better to bring up in a family with one parent than with two dads, "passion for murder" is also difficult to attribute to the primordially Russian or Slavic values. The level is certainly high, but not champions. And I suppose the level of homicide among all the criminals was probably not accidentally identified. Would you like to look at the rest of the crime? I recommend starting with rape yes Apparently not request , the statistics there are a little different, with it it is not so convenient to read sermons about values. winked

      https://knoema.ru/atlas/topics/

      Tellingly, the WHO does not distinguish Russia in terms of the level of violence against women (physical and sexual), the Mediterranean and Southeast Asia are inhabited by no Slavs. And it is not customary to start other families here. Is it our tradition to beat children or women beat men? What did you mean at all?

      Almost a third (30%) of all women in a relationship have experienced physical and / or sexual violence from their intimate partner. Estimated prevalence rates of intimate partner violence range from 23,2% in high-income countries and 24,6% in the WHO Western Pacific Region, to 37% in the WHO Eastern Mediterranean Region and 37,7% in WHO South-East Asia Region.

      https://www.who.int/ru/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/violence-against-women

      And the statistics are interesting, it turns out that in Afghanistan, Syria and Ukraine the murder rate per 100 thousand people is much lower.
      In addition, the crime rate is given by country, I believe it is not a secret for you that not all of the population of the Russian Federation are Russians and Slavs. In your country, for example, almost every second person prefers to spoil statistics abroad "countries for life." I wonder why, if everything is so wonderful?
    2. Dear sofa expert. 26 September 2020 01: 23
      +3
      This is when more than half of the children are brought up in a family with one parent, when the number of murders is 4 times higher than in Europe, when there is an order of magnitude more domestic violence ...

      Figures "taken from the lantern", or is there an objective confirmation?

      You don't live in Europe. How do you know the "subtleties" of statistics there?
      For example, the fact that murder does not include deaths in road accidents, since they do not fall under the article “murder”, as in Russian law.

      And about raising children, this is also a weak example.)
      In Europe, many do not get divorced simply because they cannot afford it financially. Well, there .. common debts, mortgages ... so they live - they endure each other). And if they get divorced, they are in a hurry to start again. a new family - as a couple, you know, it's easier to live .. again financially.
  • Eduard Aplombov Offline Eduard Aplombov
    Eduard Aplombov (Eduard Aplombov) 25 September 2020 18: 54
    +1
    Jews are dancing on the Russian resource .. they kick through the doors of Russia, they break into the window
    would sit in their Israel, tweeting with amers, with Arabs neighbors, no, in flocks of twigs to Russia on forums, as if they are welcome here ..
  • antibi0tikk Offline antibi0tikk
    antibi0tikk (Sergei) 25 September 2020 18: 54
    +4
    ... I would like to remind everyone about Grigory Perelman, who refused this Nobel Prize with the words ^

    I know how to run the universe. And tell me - why should I run after a million ?!

    My personal opinion is that it is better to be in a company with such a person than with all sorts of bulk, gretamitunberg, this reptile Gorbachev (bury him in a swamp) and other evil spirits.
  • Alexzn Offline Alexzn
    Alexzn (Alexander) 25 September 2020 20: 23
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    Quote: antibi0tikk
    ... I would like to remind everyone about Grigory Perelman, who refused this Nobel Prize with the words "I know how to manage the Universe. And tell me - why should I run after a million ?!" Personally, my opinion is that it is better to be in the company of such a person than with all sorts of bulk, gretamitunberg, this reptile Gorbachev (bury him in a swamp) and other evil spirits.

    Perelman never even ran for a Nobel, accordingly he did not receive it, and he certainly could not refuse it.
    1. antibi0tikk Offline antibi0tikk
      antibi0tikk (Sergei) 25 September 2020 22: 31
      +3
      Soryan. There is a cant behind me. He was offered another prize. Next time I will clarify information before writing. Eh, my memory fails me ...
    2. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
      Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) 25 September 2020 23: 48
      -3
      It seems that mathematicians are not awarded Nobel prizes at all.
      1. isofat Offline isofat
        isofat (isofat) 2 October 2020 12: 51
        +1
        Quote: Oleg Rambover
        It seems that mathematicians are not awarded Nobel prizes at all.

        Oleg Rambover, and if you think about it?
        1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
          Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) 2 October 2020 15: 57
          -1
          If you think about it, there is no Nobel Prize awarded for achievements in mathematics. Now try to think you.
          1. isofat Offline isofat
            isofat (isofat) 2 October 2020 16: 04
            +1
            Oleg Rambover... Cases when mathematicians received the Nobel Prize are known. yes
            1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
              Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) 2 October 2020 17: 16
              -1
              But there are no known cases when the Nobel Prize was given for achievements in the field of mathematics.
              1. isofat Offline isofat
                isofat (isofat) 2 October 2020 17: 27
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                It is known! Never! love
    3. Dear sofa expert. 26 September 2020 01: 06
      +2
      Perelman never even ran for a Nobel, accordingly he did not receive it, and he certainly could not refuse it.

      Yes,. But he was awarded "The Fields Medal", which in the world is equated to the "Nobel Prize".
  • Alexzn Offline Alexzn
    Alexzn (Alexander) 26 September 2020 08: 21
    -2
    Quote: Oleg Rambover
    It seems that mathematicians are not awarded Nobel prizes at all.

    His wife's lover was a mathematician ...
    1. isofat Offline isofat
      isofat (isofat) 2 October 2020 12: 55
      0
      Alexzn, I liked your answer. Why are there so many disadvantages?
  • Alexzn Offline Alexzn
    Alexzn (Alexander) 26 September 2020 09: 15
    -4
    Quote: Dear couch expert.
    This is when more than half of the children are brought up in a family with one parent, when the number of murders is 4 times higher than in Europe, when there is an order of magnitude more domestic violence ...

    Figures "taken from the lantern", or is there an objective confirmation?

    You don't live in Europe. How do you know the "subtleties" of statistics there?
    For example, the fact that murder does not include deaths in road accidents, since they do not fall under the article “murder”, as in Russian law.

    And about raising children, this is also a weak example.)
    In Europe, many do not get divorced simply because they cannot afford it financially. Well, there .. common debts, mortgages ... so they live - they endure each other). And if they get divorced, they are in a hurry to start again. a new family - as a couple, you know, it's easier to live .. again financially.

    I visit Europe twice every year. I take the car and travel ... With the murders of road accidents - amused. The statistics in Europe are transparent and understandable. The kinds of violent deaths and accidents are always carried over. If you mentioned road accidents, should you also consider road behavior as a traditional value? In Russia, people die on the roads 6 (!!!) times more than in Germany or Israel ...
    1. Dear sofa expert. 26 September 2020 15: 39
      +4
      The statistics in Europe are transparent and understandable. Violent deaths and accidents are always carried over. If you mentioned road accidents, should you also consider road behavior as a traditional value? In Russia, people die on the roads 6 (!!!) times more than in Germany or Israel

      When I talk about statistics, I didn't mean transparency, but what is taken into account in it. There is no need to turn the meaning of what I have said.
      Well, about your "6 times (!!!)"
      Well, maybe with regards to Israel - you know better. Although having a population 15 times less than the Russian one, and at the same time, fatal accidents are only 6 times less - as if in favor of your small country)

      But the statistics of the US (36 thousand) and Russian (18 thousand) are quite comparable. Not exactly 1: 1, but still.

      German statistics, yes, not bad - 3 thousand fatal accidents, but it only includes accidents with dead Germans, and accidents with deaths of "transit" are not taken into account, and there are a lot of them, due to the special geographical position of Germany.
  • Alexzn Offline Alexzn
    Alexzn (Alexander) 26 September 2020 09: 16
    -4
    I threw in a couple of parameters so that people think about the TRADITIONAL values ​​that they love to talk about.
    In fact, ALL types of violent crime in Russia are higher than in Europe. Including rape (this type of violence in Russia is much more latent than in Europe. It is especially worth highlighting domestic violence and murder of wives and children, here Russia is at least several times (4-6) ahead of Europe. If someone cares about traditional values, it is worth identifying them! Otherwise, you will save children from same-sex parents, sincerely believing that with one parent and the existing level of domestic violence, children are better. I have not yet mentioned the number of orphanages, abortions ... theft. ..
    If the Russians do not want AS IN EUROPE, this is their right, but it is worth clarifying that they do not want ...
  • Alexzn Offline Alexzn
    Alexzn (Alexander) 26 September 2020 16: 52
    -4
    When I talk about statistics, I didn't mean transparency, but what is taken into account in it. There is no need to turn the meaning of what I have said.
    Well, about your "6 times (!!!)"
    Well, maybe with regards to Israel - you know better. Although having a population 15 times less than the Russian one, and at the same time, fatal accidents are only 6 times less - as if in favor of your small country)

    But the statistics of the US (36 thousand) and Russian (18 thousand) are quite comparable. Not exactly 1: 1, but still.

    German statistics, yes, not bad - 3 thousand fatal accidents, but it only includes accidents with dead Germans, and accidents with deaths of "transit" are not taken into account, and there are a lot of them, due to the special geographical position of Germany.

    Let's go back to basics. We compare Geyrope with Russia, which is alien to liberal values.
    The statistics always indicate the parameters. If these are murders, then separately willful, unintentional, criminal, terrorism, etc. When comparing different countries, just mean different methods, they are not secret.
    +++++++
    About mine 6 times. When statistical indicators are compared, they are weighted, i.e. give comparable indicators, in the proposed case they are compared according to the indicator per 100 thousand people.
    Are you seriously thinking that absolute values ​​are given? Still, it's worth asking about the order of magnitude ... In Russia, 18-20 thousand people per year die from road accidents in Israel, 350-400 (despite the fact that the Russian methodology counts the deaths directly on the roads, and ours and those who died in the hospital during the year ). Take the neutral statistics of the WHO, according to which there are 100 deaths per 000 in Russia, and 18 in Israel, respectively, in Russia, it dies 4,2 times more often ... This is certainly not 4,28 times :) I have not been interested in it for a long time, but I remember exactly that about 6 years ago there were the same 20.
    By the way, in the USA it is 12,4, which is 1,5 times lower than the Russian indicator, provided that there are 2 times more cars on the roads ...
    1. Dear sofa expert. 27 September 2020 00: 36
      +3
      Well, about your "6 times (!!!)"

      - about Israel it was a joke)
      There are statistics about the rest. In terms of the number of fatal accidents, the United States, with its 36 thousand, occupies the 4th place in the world (after India, China and Brazil)
      Russia from 20th to 8th place.
      Your argument with reference to the number of cars in America is not objective, since the total length of American roads is almost 7 times greater than Russian ones, which means that the traffic density on them is much lower. With such a low traffic density, such a huge number of deaths, there is no excuse for the Americans.
      Why don't you present these claims to your "big brother" and not to Russia?
    2. Dear sofa expert. 27 September 2020 00: 46
      +3
      By the way in the USA

      By the way, in the USA, only 60% of children live in full-fledged families (well, this is so, for you for general development)
  • Alexzn Offline Alexzn
    Alexzn (Alexander) 27 September 2020 11: 24
    -4
    Quote: Dear sofa expert.
    Your argument with reference to the number of cars in America is not objective, since the total length of American roads is almost 7 times greater than Russian ones, which means that the traffic density on them is much lower. With such a low traffic density, such a huge number of deaths, there is no excuse for the Americans.

    It is quite correct. Let's go back to the balanced indicators. A significant part of American roads are low-traffic, they just exist due to the fact that Americans can afford such a luxury ... For comparability, the roads used must be considered. There are many parameters to consider - the number of cars, the length of roads, congestion, weather conditions, etc. From personal experience, I can say that the driving culture in the states is much higher.
    1. Dear sofa expert. 29 September 2020 21: 51
      +1
      Much of America's roads are low-traffic

      And that's why there are 40 thousand fatal accidents every year?)
      Strange logic.

      The number of cars in America does not mean that there are necessarily more of them in traffic on the road.
      It's just that many Americans, traditionally, can afford, let's say, more than one car.
      But this does not mean at all that a single person is simultaneously on the road in several cars. Or am I wrong?

      Hollywood movies say the opposite about "driving culture". Apparently lying, which American guys are heroes?)))
      And between us ... the word culture .. well, it's not about Americans, really!)
  • Alexzn Offline Alexzn
    Alexzn (Alexander) 27 September 2020 11: 26
    -4
    Quote: Dear couch expert.
    By the way in the USA

    By the way, in the USA, only 60% of children live in full-fledged families (well, this is so, for you for general development)

    By the way, I have already stressed twice - compare the EUROPEAN values, I am not a fan of the states.
    1. Dear sofa expert. 29 September 2020 21: 41
      +1
      By the way, I have already stressed twice - compare the EUROPEAN values, I am not a fan of the states.

      Then you do not cite your Israel as an example. This country is related to Europe no more (or rather even less) than the United States.
  • Alexzn Offline Alexzn
    Alexzn (Alexander) 30 September 2020 11: 01
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    Quote: Dear couch expert.
    By the way, I have already stressed twice - compare the EUROPEAN values, I am not a fan of the states.

    Then you do not cite your Israel as an example. This country is related to Europe no more (or rather even less) than the United States.

    I am an Israeli after all ... Besides this comparison with Israel is always indicative, Israel is the bottom line of developed countries.
  • Alexzn Offline Alexzn
    Alexzn (Alexander) 30 September 2020 11: 08
    0
    Quote: Dear couch expert.
    Much of America's roads are low-traffic

    And that's why there are 40 thousand fatal accidents every year?)
    Strange logic.

    The number of cars in America does not mean that there are necessarily more of them in traffic on the road.
    It's just that many Americans, traditionally, can afford, let's say, more than one car.
    But this does not mean at all that a single person is simultaneously on the road in several cars. Or am I wrong?

    Hollywood movies say the opposite about "driving culture". Apparently lying, which American guys are heroes?)))
    And between us ... the word culture .. well, it's not about Americans, really!)

    Once again, such comparisons should be done more carefully. In contrast, the length of Israeli roads is 75 times less than Russian, and road accidents are 4,3 times less with a relatively larger number of cars and more saturated traffic. At the same time, Israel does not have the highest driving culture, slightly better than in Italy or Portugal, but much worse than Germany, Austria, Sweden.
  • Alexzn Offline Alexzn
    Alexzn (Alexander) 2 October 2020 13: 12
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    Quote: isofat
    Alexzn, I liked your answer. Why are there so many disadvantages?

    There are two quite serious versions, the first I have already written. Second, Nobel had a difficult relationship with the mathematician Mittag-Leffler.
    My cons, as a rule, do not correlate with the text.
  • isofat Offline isofat
    isofat (isofat) 3 October 2020 01: 08
    0
    On the air of the Nash TV channel, the editors asked the viewers a question that sounded as follows: "Vladimir Putin deserves the Nobel Peace Prize?"

    The answer turned out to be quite unexpected - 76% of Ukrainians who voted believe that the Russian leader deserves the Nobel Peace Prize.

    Place of action Ukraine.
  • Jacques sekavar Offline Jacques sekavar
    Jacques sekavar (Jacques Sekavar) 3 October 2020 10: 26
    +1
    Well done Alexander Grigorievich! Truly, the answer is adequate and, what is important, instantaneous, even for Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania, or even for the European protectorate of the United States. A role model for Putin, who practically does not react in any way to spitting on the Russian Federation and him personally by every mongrel, and it is high time for Lavrov to retire for everything “good” - From Ukraine, a priority direction of foreign policy, he made a fierce enemy. From Georgia, too. The Transnistrian problem, as it was, remains, and one and a half thousand Russian peacekeepers stationed there at any moment may find themselves in a complete blockade. The Russia-Belarus union state has been under construction for as long as two decades and the end of this long-term construction is not expected. In Central Asia, it looks like a war will also break out over water resources, and the Russian Federation for the US-EU has long become like a punching bag for boxers. Even under their own flag, they were banned from performing, it is difficult to think of more humiliation. As Vereshchagin used to say - "It's a shame for the state."