F-35 fighters for Arabs will be made more visible to Israeli radar


The United States and the United Arab Emirates expect to sign a preliminary contract by the end of 2020 to sell a batch of F-35A stealth fighter-bombers and other modern weapons systems. Now the Donald Trump administration is considering the possibility of implementing this deal in accordance with Washington's commitments to Tel Aviv, writes the London-based international agency Reuters.


According to the agency's sources, the parties want to agree on all issues by December 2, 2020, when the UAE National Day will be celebrated. On this day in 1971, the UAE gained independence from Great Britain.

At the same time, the United States, taking into account the agreements with Israel, has no right to supply weapons systems to the Middle East that could damage Tel Aviv's high-quality military superiority. Moreover, Washington is obliged to ensure that the American-made strike weapons received by Israel are superior in their capabilities to counterparts in the countries of the region. The Americans want to get out of this predicament by selling the F-35A fighters to the UAE, which should become more visible to Israel's radar stations. How this will be done, Reuters does not report, but it is noted that Washington is working on ways to achieve this goal.

On September 22, 2020, Israeli Defense Minister Benny Gantz met in Washington with Pentagon chief Mark Esper. One of the topics touched upon was "the normalization of Tel Aviv's relations with Arab countries", behind which one can guess Israel's desire to "ventilate the topic" with the F-35A and other military products.

At the same time, the Pentagon refused to comment on the publication of the information about the F-35A, Reaper drones, Boeing EA-18G Growler electronic warfare aircraft, which the United States was going to sell to the UAE. The department said that they would not confirm and would not comment on possible deals until the US Congress was officially notified of them.
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  1. Tramp1812 Offline Tramp1812
    Tramp1812 (Tramp 1812) 24 September 2020 18: 35
    -1
    Israel forever! )
  2. Alexzn Offline Alexzn
    Alexzn (Alexander) 24 September 2020 18: 57
    0
    Israeli planes initially differ from the rest in their electronics.
  3. 123 Offline 123
    123 (123) 24 September 2020 19: 01
    +6
    The Americans want to get out of this predicament by selling the F-35A fighters to the UAE, which should become more visible to Israel's radars.

    Do radars in Israel work on different physical principles? smile Since the Tsakhal will see them on the screen, then this shaitan-arba will glow like a Christmas tree on all radars.
    Hats off to American marketing geniuses hi Surely they will also sell their weight in gold laughing
    Congratulations to the great Middle East space power on the valuable acquisition of "Comact-parabolics" drinks

  4. Alexzn Offline Alexzn
    Alexzn (Alexander) 24 September 2020 19: 26
    -2
    A ridiculous headline as a way to indicate the special relationship between the US and Israel.
  5. Binder Offline Binder
    Binder (Miron) 24 September 2020 20: 47
    -2
    The text is about nothing. The Israelis have long reached an agreement in principle with the Americans that the IDF's technological advantage over its regional neighbors in the field of weapons should be preserved. It is not surprising that future deliveries of the F-35 to the UAE are being discussed in this context. It is clear that the Arabs will not get some kind of second-rate version of the fifth generation fighter, such a deal would be meaningless. For now, we can only guess what is being discussed, it seems to me that the Arabs would like to get fighters with Israeli avionics, which, according to experts, are significantly superior in their capabilities to the basic modification of the F-35A. The main reason for the Arabs is the fact that they need fifth generation fighters to confront the Iranians, and they were very impressed with the flights of the Israelis in F-35I over Iran, which the Iranian air defense forces could not detect. In this case, I would remind our Arab neighbors that even the most advanced technology does not guarantee success, the strength of the Israeli Air Force is personnel, pilots, technicians, gunsmiths, and there are definitely no personnel of such qualifications in the UAE, and not only in the UAE .. ...
    1. Oyo Sarkazmi Offline Oyo Sarkazmi
      Oyo Sarkazmi (Oyo Sarkazmi) 24 September 2020 21: 10
      +2
      Quote: Bindyuzhnik
      that the Arabs will not get some kind of second-rate version of the fifth generation fighter,

      The F-35 is second-rate by definition. For it is inferior to all 4th generation aircraft in speed. At 1000 km per hour. What is American, what is Chinese, what is Swedish. This is a punitive plane for the Papuans. And from this path he cannot escape.
      1. Binder Offline Binder
        Binder (Miron) 24 September 2020 21: 41
        -1
        Quote: Oo sarcasm
        The F-35 is second-rate by definition.

        Young man, everything is clear with you. Don't you talk about airplanes, talk about something more mundane - about women, fishing, or are you in these matters as in aviation? fool
        1. Oyo Sarkazmi Offline Oyo Sarkazmi
          Oyo Sarkazmi (Oyo Sarkazmi) 24 September 2020 23: 47
          +3
          Quote: Bindyuzhnik
          Young man, everything is clear with you.

          I'm an old cynic. And I look at numbers, not epithets.
          And you are clearly an advertising addict. You can sell a mesh condom, and a panacea of ​​eternal life on mercury.
          The plane is bad in all respects - an unmaneuverable, weak engine, overstressed electronics, damp skin made of recycled plastic. But from the right Irish nephew, set up for a Boeing sinecure.
      2. Stanislav Bykov Offline Stanislav Bykov
        Stanislav Bykov (Stanislav) 24 September 2020 21: 42
        +2
        And even if you imagine him without bragging and wings, it looks very much like a coffin hi
        1. Binder Offline Binder
          Binder (Miron) 24 September 2020 22: 01
          -2
          And what does the "unparalleled" Su-57, which does not fly at all, look like? lol
          1. Stanislav Bykov Offline Stanislav Bykov
            Stanislav Bykov (Stanislav) 24 September 2020 23: 26
            +4
            Everything flies great, Russian fighters are generally the most beautiful in the world, maybe Iran will soon demonstrate them to you lol
            1. Binder Offline Binder
              Binder (Miron) 25 September 2020 06: 43
              -1
              Quote: Stanislav Bykov
              Iran will soon demonstrate them to you

              Perhaps in your painful fantasies. laughing
          2. Oyo Sarkazmi Offline Oyo Sarkazmi
            Oyo Sarkazmi (Oyo Sarkazmi) 24 September 2020 23: 52
            +2
            Quote: Bindyuzhnik
            And what does the "unparalleled" Su-57, which does not fly at all, look like?

            Well, the Su-2100 is doing its 57 km / h. You cannot compare 1400 km / h in 80 seconds or 1600 km / h in only 30 seconds for the F-35.
            By the way, 1400 km / h is a MiG-19, and it could fly at such a speed until the fuel ran out.
            1. Michael1950 Offline Michael1950
              Michael1950 (Michael) 25 September 2020 00: 54
              -1
              - All fighter aircraft in 95% of the flight time, even in wartime, fly at subsonic speeds, 0.8M-0.9M ...
            2. Binder Offline Binder
              Binder (Miron) 25 September 2020 05: 48
              -2
              Quote: Oo sarcasm
              Well, the Su-2100 is making its 57 km / h.

              It doesn't do anything because it doesn't exist as a production vehicle in service.
              1. Oyo Sarkazmi Offline Oyo Sarkazmi
                Oyo Sarkazmi (Oyo Sarkazmi) 25 September 2020 08: 23
                +2
                Quote: Bindyuzhnik
                It doesn't do anything because it doesn't exist

                Well, the F-35 was not even in the plans 30 years ago. And then they gave Lockheed the blueprints for the Yak-141 for free. And as here, all the best is American, and in the United States, the best soldier is Soviet. And they made a station wagon - which is not suitable for anything. But a little advertising, a little bribes - and a frankly crude plane was adopted. Corruption, sir.
      3. Michael1950 Offline Michael1950
        Michael1950 (Michael) 25 September 2020 01: 19
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        Quote: Oyo Sarkazmi
        The F-35 is second-rate by definition. For it is inferior to all 4th generation aircraft in speed. At 1000 km per hour. What is American, what is Chinese, what is Swedish.

        - Nonsense. The aircraft was created in full compliance with the requirements set by the customers. And in accordance with these requirements, it was made. Extremely high speed and altitude were needed - even after 60 years, the SR-71 has no equal in the world. The XB-70 Valkyrie three-plane bomber-missile carrier was also created. But on common thought, military thought in the United States came to the conclusion that such speeds are simply not needed for a tactical fighter today. And even more so for a stealth drummer. If you need a high-speed high-altitude fighter, and even with awesome maneuverability, there is an F-22, and now a new fighter is being created for it in continuation, since the F-22 has a resource according to plan in 2045 and somewhere from 2035 it gradually will have to introduce a shift. Moreover, with the number of F-22s, then Defense Minister Robert Gates made a gross blunder (Air Force generals demanded 381, he gave only 187), overestimating Rosaviaprom and underestimating the Chinese (they launched the J-20 in a series of 500 aircraft). The Americans need a new fighter and it is being created - probably on a competitive basis, as always ...
        1. Oyo Sarkazmi Offline Oyo Sarkazmi
          Oyo Sarkazmi (Oyo Sarkazmi) 25 September 2020 08: 26
          +2
          Quote: Michael1950
          The aircraft was created in full compliance with the requirements set by the customers.

          More precisely, this is how the uncle-general bought from the nephew-manager what he slipped him. Since it is not out of pocket, it’s not a pity. But after the resignation - the seat of a consultant in Boeing to the ex-general, with a salary of one million, is provided.
    2. Michael1950 Offline Michael1950
      Michael1950 (Michael) 25 September 2020 00: 52
      -1
      ... it seems to me that the Arabs would like to get fighters with Israeli avionics

      - Why negotiate to the point of absurdity? wink

      which, according to experts, are significantly superior in their capabilities to the basic modification of the F-35A

      - And this is too much. There are simply some aspects of the integration of aircraft equipment with Israeli electronic warfare systems and with Israeli missiles and bombs.
      1. Binder Offline Binder
        Binder (Miron) 25 September 2020 05: 37
        -1
        Quote: Michael1950
        - Why negotiate to the point of absurdity?

        Where is the absurdity here? Back in 2007, when the bulk purchase of F-16E / F Block60 for the Emirati Air Force was carried out, the Arabs were interested in the possibility of installing Israeli avionics
        1. Michael1950 Offline Michael1950
          Michael1950 (Michael) 25 September 2020 19: 56
          0
          - Duc, "hto give them ?!" lol
          1. Binder Offline Binder
            Binder (Miron) 25 September 2020 21: 53
            -3
            Well, in the light of new trends and taking into account the fact that the common enemy is Iran ...
            1. Michael1950 Offline Michael1950
              Michael1950 (Michael) 26 September 2020 17: 22
              -1
              - But this does not mean that the highest achievements of Israeli high-tech should suddenly be transferred to any Arab country (teeming with Iranian and Hezbollah agents) ... Let the Americans give them what they see fit.
              1. Binder Offline Binder
                Binder (Miron) 26 September 2020 19: 13
                -3
                You are exaggerating a little - not every achievement and, of course, not every Arab country.
  6. bear040 Offline bear040
    bear040 26 September 2020 16: 29
    +2
    This means that the Arabs may think about buying aircraft in another country, which will not make them visible to Israel's radar. There is the Russian Federation and China, and the French Rafale will be more reliable than the raw F-35.
    1. Michael1950 Offline Michael1950
      Michael1950 (Michael) 26 September 2020 17: 25
      0
      - The Russian Federation and China are the best friends of Iran, which is now the worst enemy of the UAE and Bahrain (where 75% of the population is pro-Iranian Shiites). To fall into military dependence on the friends of your enemy - here you say strange things, at least (I'm embarrassed to say - naive, if not stupid).
      1. bear040 Offline bear040
        bear040 26 September 2020 17: 31
        +2
        Yeah, and the United States is an ally of Turkey, with whom the UAE today has no worse relations than with Iran, because Iran, unlike Turkey, does not encroach on the independence of the UAE, and the Turks rave about the restoration of the Ottoman Empire, which once included the lands of the Saudis and them it's across the throat. In addition, the Arab had nothing before to buy BMP-3 from the Russian Federation.
        1. Michael1950 Offline Michael1950
          Michael1950 (Michael) 26 September 2020 18: 28
          0
          In addition, the Arab had nothing to stop buying from the Russian Federation BMP-3

          - BMP still crawls on the ground and there is no need to compare it in level with a multipurpose tactical fighter ... The UAE, of course, can buy from Russia the same 25 or 50 Su-30SM, or Su-35, instead of the F-35 but a completely natural question: and the fig ??
          It is only the naive sofa hamsters of Runet who believe that the Su-30SM or Su-35S are equivalent in combat effectiveness to the F-35, but in fact, in the advanced Arab countries in the highest military echelons there are no fools and they understand the difference perfectly well - which is better, what worse and how much ...
          1. bear040 Offline bear040
            bear040 26 September 2020 18: 30
            +1
            And what about the Arabs of the crude F-35, which the Yankees have never been able to bring to mind ?! That's right, there are no fools and the F-35 is bought for the sake of deflection in front of Washington, and not because the plane is good
            1. Michael1950 Offline Michael1950
              Michael1950 (Michael) 26 September 2020 18: 34
              -1
              - "And the peasants don't know!" More than 10 countries that buy F-35s and put them into service, including israel, it turns out they just don't even suspect as far as it's raw! laughing lol They just grab without looking, row with both hands, only to please Donald Trump! wassat
              The funniest thing: hundreds of these aircraft have already been put into service with the US Air Force, Navy and ILC! These are fools unfinished! ..
              1. bear040 Offline bear040
                bear040 26 September 2020 18: 36
                +3
                negative Do you need to list all the defects of the F-35, or find it yourself to read it ?! The F-104, which received the nickname FLYING Coffin from the pilots, was also bought from the Yankees, but for bribes, and not because this plane was really needed
                1. Michael1950 Offline Michael1950
                  Michael1950 (Michael) 26 September 2020 18: 39
                  0
                  The funniest thing: hundreds of these aircraft have already been put into service with the US Air Force, Navy and ILC!
                  Who is there who sticks bribes and where ?! No, to buy from Russia Su-30SM, or Su-35! That would be a thrill! laughing lol
                  1. bear040 Offline bear040
                    bear040 26 September 2020 18: 40
                    +2
                    The US Army also bought defective cartridges for bribes, this is not news. fool And who would sell the United States, which openly declared the Russian Federation its enemy such weapons as the Su-35, or the Su-30 ?! fool
                    1. Michael1950 Offline Michael1950
                      Michael1950 (Michael) 26 September 2020 18: 47
                      -1
                      - Yes, they are all mired in corruption there, or it’s the Russian army, indestructible and legendary! They don't take bribes there! And they don't!
                      They made the Su-47 plane, threw in billions - dollars, not rubles. Put in one copy to rot. They made the Su-57 plane, added billions, - dollars, not rubles, - no one wants to take it, even Indian gypsies "turn up their noses." For some reason they made a Su-34 plane, spent billions dollars, not rubles, - completely unnecessary and worthless with a living Su-30SM, capable of performing all the same functions, but at the same time being a good fighter, like the F-15E, they stamped them - no one needs them for export either ... The only thing advantage - there is a toilet and a kitchen, which is not even on the long-range Tu-22M3 bomber!
                      1. bear040 Offline bear040
                        bear040 26 September 2020 18: 57
                        +2
                        There has never been such a masterpiece as the M-15 rifle in the Russian army, and you probably served in the construction battalion before fleeing to Israel, from that such knowledge in the weapons of the Russian Federation. Can you list all the aircraft projects in which the United States poured millions, but they never flew, or you yourself will find where to read ?! The Su-34 is a qualitative replacement for the Su-24 and Su-25, the low-altitude use of which (Su-25) has become questionable due to the development of air defense, and in high-altitude use it loses outright to the Su-34. Su-30 fighter, not bomber. You don't drive a tractor for bread, do you?
                      2. bear040 Offline bear040
                        bear040 26 September 2020 19: 13
                        +1
                        soldier In order not to search for a long time, you can download the magazine Modelist-Constructor for April (№4) 1994. In it, an article (US carrier-based aviation) will read about all the projects of carrier-based aircraft that were designed, built, tested, but were never adopted by the US Navy, due to their worthlessness revealed during tests. Some of the cars stupidly could not take off (to master vertical takeoff, for example)
                    2. Michael1950 Offline Michael1950
                      Michael1950 (Michael) 26 September 2020 18: 55
                      -1
                      - Yes, the same one who sells to Turkey, NATO memberwhere U.S. intelligence services control every inch of the army, air force, and navy C-400, and now they try to attach Su-57, which before that they tried in vain to sell to the Indians (where the US intelligence services walk around like a buffet), and before that the newest Su-57 tried in vain to organize joint production with Brazil and South Korea!
                      What kind of "secrecy" can you try in general ?! fool fool
                      1. bear040 Offline bear040
                        bear040 26 September 2020 18: 58
                        +1
                        laughing There is order with secrecy. The planes are sold in export performance and even the Yankees were not allowed to approach them during joint exercises with the Indian Air Force
                2. Binder Offline Binder
                  Binder (Miron) 26 September 2020 19: 26
                  -2
                  Judging about any real and / or imaginary defects in the F-35 based on the publications of the Russian media is at least frivolous. These aircraft are actually operated in a number of states, and not the most backward ones in terms of technology. In addition, they successfully complete combat missions, and do it with brilliance.
                  1. bear040 Offline bear040
                    bear040 26 September 2020 20: 01
                    +2
                    Well, even in England they laugh at the publications of the Israeli media. Read the book by Robert Jackson (Legendary Fighters) and compare with what your media have been rubbing about the Israeli Air Force losses. Or Jackson is also an agent of the Kremlin and the illegitimate son of Putin ... or Zhirinovsky ... ha ha ... Oh, this Kremlin ... F-35 is bought only by the lackeys of the United States ... or those who were bribed by the Yankees. Or do you think at least one sober Finn seriously thinks that Russia is about to attack Finland ?! Such nonsense is born only in those heads that stick out all the time in the fly of Washington!
                    1. Binder Offline Binder
                      Binder (Miron) 26 September 2020 20: 16
                      -2
                      Quote: bear040
                      compare with what your media rubbed about the losses of the Israeli Air Force.

                      Never in the entire history of the Israeli Air Force did the Israeli media cover up their losses. They hide combat losses by presidential decree in another country ...
                      1. bear040 Offline bear040
                        bear040 26 September 2020 20: 18
                        +1
                        wassat I understand that you are a great writer, not a reader. So, in order to write something smart, you need to read more. hi I told you the author and title of the book, is the book English, or does England comply with the decrees of the President of the Russian Federation ?! laughing
                      2. Binder Offline Binder
                        Binder (Miron) 26 September 2020 20: 23
                        -2
                        My dear man, what I happened to read you definitely did not read. In general, personal attacks do not make you more convincing. I described the real state of affairs, you tried to accuse me of insufficient knowledge of the subject, apparently you have no constructive objections.
                      3. bear040 Offline bear040
                        bear040 26 September 2020 20: 27
                        +2
                        Well, there is no need to puff up your cheeks meaningfully and without proof, especially since you do not know me, and your compatriot, who pretended to be a pilot, has not the slightest idea about the combat use of aircraft in Afghanistan, and nothing about the use of small arms in Vietnam I have never heard, but shouts that he is a great connoisseur ... He is a great dreamer ... My arguments are documented, he brought your literature to both of you, but I hear from you only your personal fantasies, not based on anything.
                      4. Binder Offline Binder
                        Binder (Miron) 26 September 2020 20: 35
                        -3
                        Why do I need some kind of left-wing literature, if on the website of the Israeli Defense Ministry there are freely available lists of the IDF's losses since its foundation? Your arguments are based on documents of dubious reliability.
                      5. bear040 Offline bear040
                        bear040 26 September 2020 20: 37
                        +2
                        And then, that at all times and all countries hide their losses during hostilities and it is not necessary to assert otherwise, this is an elementary truth and this is practiced not only by Russia. laughing
                      6. Binder Offline Binder
                        Binder (Miron) 26 September 2020 20: 44
                        -3
                        So, Mr. "expert", not only in Israel, but also in other democratic countries, they do not hide their losses, this is the practice of exclusively totalitarian regimes. It's hard for you in Russia to believe it, but it's reality.
                      7. bear040 Offline bear040
                        bear040 26 September 2020 20: 47
                        +2
                        Don't drive me. Even today the United States has not declassified a single accident at the Nautilis nuclear submarine, although they were there like mud. A nuclear reactor was stuck into the hull of a diesel submarine, not really knowing what kind of radiation protection the crew needed, and the reactor itself was not yet perfect and accidents of the cooling system were not rare there. I can name a lot of other examples, but is it worth it, because apart from the official tales of the IDF, you don't believe anyone. wassat
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  • Michael1950 Offline Michael1950
    Michael1950 (Michael) 26 September 2020 19: 14
    -1
    Quote: bear040
    There has never been such a masterpiece as the M-15 rifle in the Russian army

    - M16, probably an expert ... lol

    ... and you apparently served before fleeing to Israel in the construction battalion ...

    - Why is it "run away"? Honestly and nobly, having served in the USSR / Russian Air Force for 26 calendar years (41+ years with jet experience credited), I calmly moved to a new place of residence. wink

    ... from that such knowledge in the weapons of the Russian Federation.

    - My knowledge of weapons and military equipment of the USSR / Russia surpasses yours about one hundred times, at least! laughing lol

    Can you list all the aircraft projects in which the United States poured millions, but they never flew, or you yourself will find where to read ?!

    - They, for example, took the F-22 fighter on a competitive basis - so it flew, was mass-produced and has 15 children in the army. Likewise - F-35. I said about the Su-47 and Su-57 - there was no competition here ...

    Su-34 is a quality replacement for the Su-24

    - And what is it for? a replacement ?? The Americans had the F-111, which served faithfully for many decades, proved to be excellent, the Australians generally had it in service for 40 years, but the F-15 appearedE - and no one began to reproduce the next generation F-111 anymore, - as unnecessary... The USSR made the Su-30SM, it went great even in India (though there it was upgraded with avionics from France and Israel), it would seem - what the hell to sculpt the Su-34 for ?! No, government money - they mold!

    and su-25

    - But I, a professional military pilot, don't need to smack nonsense about "how they were going to replace the Su-34 with a front-line bomber, the Su-25 attack aircraft." This is bullshit. They are not interchangeable.

    low-altitude use of which (Su-25) became questionable due to the development of air defense

    - And the "stupid" Yankes still won't part with the A-10, everyone will upgrade and upgrade it, everything will extend its life span and prolong its life, is it really that useless air defense in Russia ?! lol

    and in high-altitude applications, it loses cleanly to the Su-34.

    - Naturally! The fig to shove the attack aircraft into the stratosphere ?? laughing Who is there to storm? There are no bunkers, no bunkers, no convoys of cars ...

    Su-30 fighter, not bomber. You don't drive a tractor for bread, do you?

    - You tell this crap to the Americans who have been operating the F-1989 since 15E?! Otherwise, they don't know "what and where to go" ... laughing lol
    1. bear040 Offline bear040
      bear040 26 September 2020 19: 31
      +2
      M-16 and M-18 are not M-15, they are different models of automatic rifles. You don't know that. Well, with the opening of you! F-22 is out of production, you didn't know, well, now you know. Yes, there was a competition, only 2 firms worked. The F-111 had a serious drawback, a low-slung chassis, due to which the external suspension was very limited. You didn’t know again ... My condolences ... Anyway, the Su-34s have an armored cockpit and the internal bomb bay of which the Su-30 has no ... The wretchedness of multipurpose bombers in the role of a fighter was shown by the Su-17 in Afghanistan. Again, you don't know ... I sympathize ... Well, the A-10 has even less life in combat than the Su-25, the target is large and less maneuverable. And what for is an attack aircraft if the pillboxes of the bandits in Bamut were still able to destroy only with aerial bombs of a volumetric explosion. Here, and the bomber will come off with a good aim. The United States is not an indicator at all, they can even put on pants over their heads and repeat a low-altitude flight, and at those speeds at which Russian and French aircraft can do this, not a single US aircraft is capable of, the wings will fall off from vibration laughing
  • Michael1950 Offline Michael1950
    Michael1950 (Michael) 26 September 2020 19: 19
    0
    Quote: bear040
    laughing There is order with secrecy. The planes are sold in export performance and even the Yankees were not allowed to approach them during joint exercises with the Indian Air Force

    - Gee-gee-gee! Ha ha ha! With such fairy tales to kindergarten! But they won't believe in the junior group - in the middle one! laughing
    1. bear040 Offline bear040
      bear040 26 September 2020 19: 32
      +1
      laughing Yes, it's not the point, all the same there is no equipment that is on the aircraft in service with the Russian Air Force on export aircraft.
      1. Michael1950 Offline Michael1950
        Michael1950 (Michael) 26 September 2020 19: 57
        0
        - This is how you naively think. Of course have. Simply, when it did not meet the requirements, as with the Su-30MKI in India, the Russian equipment was replaced with French and Israeli ...
        1. bear040 Offline bear040
          bear040 26 September 2020 20: 05
          +2
          laughing Let's not do it! In India, there is a lot of talk about the alleged backwardness of Russian technology, but they buy it all the time, since their own masterpieces, such as the Indian tank Arjun, are poorly suited even for the role of a bulldozer, and no one bothers to buy India's western equipment. They bought both English and French in due time and something all the time bowing to the Russian Federation ...
  • Michael1950 Offline Michael1950
    Michael1950 (Michael) 26 September 2020 20: 04
    -2
    Quote: bear040
    M-16 and M-18 are not M-15, they are different models of automatic rifles. You don't know that. Well, with the opening of you! F-22 is out of production, you didn't know, well, now you know. Yes, there was a competition, only 2 firms worked. The F-111 had a serious drawback, a low-slung chassis, due to which the external suspension was very limited. You didn’t know again ... My condolences ... Anyway, the Su-34s have an armored cockpit and the internal bomb bay of which the Su-30 has no ... The wretchedness of multipurpose bombers in the role of a fighter was shown by the Su-17 in Afghanistan. Again, you don't know ... I sympathize ... Well, the A-10 has even less life in combat than the Su-25, the target is large and less maneuverable. And what for is an attack aircraft if the pillboxes of the bandits in Bamut were still able to destroy only with aerial bombs of a volumetric explosion. Here, and the bomber will come off with a good aim. The United States is not an indicator at all, they can even put on pants over their heads and repeat a low-altitude flight, and at those speeds at which Russian and French aircraft can do this, not a single US aircraft is capable of, the wings will fall off from vibration laughing

    - Okay, if you have the opportunity to "argue smartly", I will always be glad to answer. So far - one goon nonsense ...
    1. bear040 Offline bear040
      bear040 26 September 2020 20: 10
      +2
      laughing You should at least open Wikipedia to read, since you yourself are armed like a blonde from the kitchen. The pilot of you is probably like a submariner from the driver of a carriage, since you do not know how long the Su-17 multi-role fighters lived in the role of a bomber, with what accuracy they bombed and which of them were fighters ...
  • Michael1950 Offline Michael1950
    Michael1950 (Michael) 3 October 2020 01: 01
    0
    Quote: bear040
    Well, even in England they laugh at the publications of the Israeli media. Read the book by Robert Jackson (Legendary Fighters) and compare with what your media have been rubbing about the Israeli Air Force losses.

    Read to the fullest enlightenment, bullshit:

    http://www.vko.ru/voyny-i-konflikty/mir-galilee-razgrom-dlya-rtv

    Then the confrontation unfolded in the air. One of the largest air battles in the history of the Arab-Israeli wars took place over the Bekaa Valley. According to some reports, about 100 Israeli and Syrian aircraft converged in the skies of Lebanon. During the first 29 hours in air battles, XNUMX Syrian aircraft were shot down. The Israeli Air Force did not lose a single car. During the first week of fighting, only 86 Syrian aircraft were shot down types MiG-21, MiG-23, Su-22. Israelis lost only 2 helicopters and Skyhawkshot down by an PLO missile.
    More:

    http://www.vko.ru/voyny-i-konflikty/mir-galilee-razgrom-dlya-rtv