US estimates accidental destruction of Su-30M2 by another Russian fighter


Russian media сообщают, referring to the military that on September 22, 2020, over the Tver region, a multi-purpose super-maneuverable Su-35S during a training battle accidentally destroyed a Su-30M2 fighter, generation 4+, writes the American Internet publication The Drive.


The GSh-30-1 Su-35S cannon was loaded through an oversight, which the pilot who controlled the fighter did not know about. As a result, he fired a volley of ammunition that hit the Su-30M2. The crew of the struck fighter managed to eject and was picked up by a search and rescue helicopter. The plane itself crashed in a forest in the northwest of the Tver region.

It should be noted that such unintentional incidents occur in any Air Force and are not rare during combat training. The Russian Defense Ministry has not yet officially confirmed this information. But if the department does this, then this case will become the next in the list of recognized similar incidents. For example, in April 2017, a MiG-31 interceptor shot down its wingman with an R-33 missile over a training ground near the Russian-Mongolian border.

It took two years for the information on the unintentional destruction of the MiG-31 to be confirmed. The Russian military department is not interested in making such cases widely public, so there is no official data from the Ministry of Defense regarding the Su-30M2 yet. But any aviation accident in any case requires a thorough investigation, which takes time. And, perhaps, the military will someday report what actually happened to the Su-30M2.
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  1. steelmaker Online steelmaker
    steelmaker 24 September 2020 12: 17
    -1
    Pilots' qualifications are low. I do not believe that the pilot would not notice the ammunition load on the plane. It's good that nobody died. In any case, the exercises for this are carried out to improve the qualifications of pilots.
    1. gorenina91 Online gorenina91
      gorenina91 (Irina) 24 September 2020 12: 49
      -5
      Pilot qualifications are low

      - Sure...

      It's good that nobody died.

      -Yes, it's not a fact yet ... -Somehow everything is not clear ... they slammed a volley of sighting from an automatic cannon from a short distance ... into the Su-30M2 ... -The plane could explode and the crew might not have time to eject ... - After all, it should be recorded by the Su-35S video recorder ... which shot it down ...
      My plus ...
      1. Pete mitchell Offline Pete mitchell
        Pete mitchell (Pete Mitchell) 25 September 2020 00: 17
        +2
        Quote: steel maker
        Pilot qualifications are low.

        Quote: gorenina91
        ... -The plane could explode and the crew might not have time ...

        Maybe on the contrary - a normally trained fighter - a volley and a hit. For the crew of the target, everything could really have ended differently, for that in history we are looking for darkness ...
        Put the wrong questions: the question is how it was organized and how it was controlled.
      2. Diver d Offline Diver d
        Diver d (Oleg) 25 September 2020 16: 59
        0
        Senior warrant officer, aircraft technician Proskurnya, clutching a greasy adjustable wrench in his left hand, and mercilessly fiddling with the back of his head with his right hand, gazed at the muzzle of the GSh-30-1 cannon with a haunted gaze, and his face was filled with surprise.
        -Wow, the falcon never got anywhere, and here you go ... The Voroshilov shooter fucking confused a photo hunt with a usual one. Now he will go through the stage, merrily ringing with shackles, dragging a dull chain with the same losers, former friends and colleagues. And all that was to do was insert the hit file into the USB flash drive.
        Even with Putin, this happened at a meeting with foreign journalists and, moreover, with PR and pomp, if it had not been exposed. But no, I wanted to diversify the archive by sticking a shell into an object worth 50 million dollars. He imagines himself an oligarch, almost an angel. Thank God, not on the gravestones.
    2. Midshipman Offline Midshipman
      Midshipman (Sergei) 25 September 2020 09: 17
      +2
      Chopped off the console in the first turn, do you think this is a low qualification? Dullness, maybe, and even then, not a pilot, but a technique, but not a low qualification.
    3. bubasa Online bubasa
      bubasa (Konstantin) 25 September 2020 11: 57
      +1
      the qualifications of commentators such as the steelmaker are below the bottom. This is a mistake by the service personnel. But the brain of such commentators is something beyond the realm of the possible.

      In any case, the exercises for this are carried out to improve the qualifications of pilots.

      - well, this phrase emphasizes the intellectual level and knowledge of the commentators;) sometimes I think the Internet is evil - how many shkoloty and people have come out because of the Internet;)
    4. Nikita Vinogradov (Nikita Vinogradov) 25 September 2020 15: 38
      0
      Where is the qualification higher if all the pilots went through the war in Syria? The gun ammunition is visible on the display. The reasons for friendly fire should be clarified, not speculated ..
      1. Roman Malakhov Offline Roman Malakhov
        Roman Malakhov (Roman Malakhov) 26 September 2020 15: 10
        +1
        the gun ammunition is not removed during training flights and firing, since this is a very long task, and the planes must always be ready for battle ... the gun is turned off by the technician, and the pilot must make sure of this ... and he could also check it by making a ride past the target ... in short, and the pilot will fly in too
        1. Vladimir Tuzakov (Vladimir Tuzakov) 28 September 2020 18: 49
          0
          Not only that, the ammunition complements the weight and balance of the aircraft, which affects the flight, therefore everything should be combat-oriented. What aptly shuranul, so yes, the commission will assess the sniper and that of course, because of what the loss of the Su-30 ... (the culprit is still unknown).
  2. updidi Offline updidi
    updidi (Alexander Kazakov) 24 September 2020 12: 20
    0
    It is also interesting what happened to the Su-30 that crashed in May 2018 in Syria, and the crew was also unable to eject.
    So until now nothing specific and have not been told about the reasons
    1. Pete mitchell Offline Pete mitchell
      Pete mitchell (Pete Mitchell) 25 September 2020 00: 11
      +2
      Quote: updidi
      I wonder what happened to the Su-30 that crashed in May 2018 in Syria

      Are you sure that the general public needs to know this? Or is it just interesting to know how many people fell under the distribution? Horrible, and not enough
    2. Midshipman Offline Midshipman
      Midshipman (Sergei) 25 September 2020 09: 20
      0
      Why on earth should you be told this, do you have anything to do with this case?
      1. Nikita Vinogradov (Nikita Vinogradov) 25 September 2020 15: 40
        0
        Every cook on the couch should know the reasons for any emergency with technology
  3. gorenina91 Online gorenina91
    gorenina91 (Irina) 24 September 2020 12: 35
    +1
    For example, in April 2017, a MiG-31 interceptor shot down its wingman with an R-33 missile over a training ground near the Russian-Mongolian border.

    - But what about "friend or foe" ??? -How was the MiG-31 able to strike our wingman with our missile ???
    1. shinobi Offline shinobi
      shinobi (Yuri) 24 September 2020 13: 23
      +1
      The transponder does not command weapons systems; it is not connected with avionics at all, a separate device, it can only be turned on and off.
    2. updidi Offline updidi
      updidi (Alexander Kazakov) 24 September 2020 13: 38
      0
      Here is more detailed:

      https://baza.io/posts/f3824674-7116-47bb-bc0f-572e58cea35a
  4. shinobi Offline shinobi
    shinobi (Yuri) 24 September 2020 13: 19
    +1
    Someone is clearly lying. A training battle is a gambling business, the pilot might not have paid attention to the status icon of the gun. Now they will raise a report from the technicians about pre-flight maintenance and find out who exactly will be in charge.
    1. marciz Offline marciz
      marciz (Stas) 25 September 2020 08: 02
      0
      Nobody will answer, they all have certificates from the madhouse !!!
      1. The comment was deleted.
    2. Nikita Vinogradov (Nikita Vinogradov) 25 September 2020 15: 43
      -1
      The training fight is not related to physical shooting. Air defense also has an "electronic shot" training mode, when a missile launch is simulated at a simulated or real target and the picture on the monitor is completely real. But in reality, the rocket will not be able to descend! There is something wrong.
  5. Alexander Levashov (Alexander Levashov) 24 September 2020 19: 42
    -1
    This happened due to the pilot's mistake, but the Americans should think that a similar mistake can occur in relation to their plane when it approaches the borders of Russia.
  6. meandr51 Offline meandr51
    meandr51 (Andrei) 24 September 2020 20: 44
    0
    Bay their, to others were afraid!
  7. Kuramori Reika Offline Kuramori Reika
    Kuramori Reika (Kuramori Reika) 24 September 2020 21: 01
    +2
    So the presence of an aircraft front sight is not an anachronism) it is quite a combat thing in modern conditions)
  8. marciz Offline marciz
    marciz (Stas) 25 September 2020 08: 01
    0
    what else can you say millions of dollars down the drain !!! Brothers are fucking !!!
  9. Ivancarafuto Offline Ivancarafuto
    Ivancarafuto (Ivan) 25 September 2020 09: 13
    +1
    Unfortunately, combat training does not exclude such incidents, including due to the notorious human factor
  10. bubasa Online bubasa
    bubasa (Konstantin) 25 September 2020 11: 54
    +1
    and where is the actual Omerigan estimate?
  11. steelmaker Online steelmaker
    steelmaker 25 September 2020 12: 06
    -1
    the qualifications of commentators such as the steelmaker are below the bottom.

    And yours is above the bottom? Another patient "ward number 6! Well at least he did not call himself Napoleon!"
  12. Aviator Offline Aviator
    Aviator (Aviator) 25 September 2020 16: 41
    -1
    I would like to say "steelworker" and others like him. If you nicherta does not understand in aviation, then you do not need to write on this topic, at least you will not be taken for fools.