Large-scale oil project: Israel invites the Saudis to create a competitor to Russia

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Tel Aviv offers large-scale oil and gas projects to the Arab countries. It is reported by the oldest Israeli newspaper Globes, analyzing the beginning of the process of rapprochement between Israel and the countries of the Persian Gulf.

It should be noted that on September 15, 2020, Israel, the UAE and Bahrain signed agreements on the normalization of relations. The ceremony was held in front of the White House in Washington with the participation of US President Donald Trump. At the same time, Trump said that soon this example will be followed by another 5-6 states and this will become "the dawn of a new Middle East."



According to the publication, the main priority for Israel remains the normalization of relations with Saudi Arabia, the most influential state in the Arab world and one of the largest oil-producing countries on the planet. The foundation of new relations between Tel Aviv and Riyadh should be large joint energy projects and opposition to Tehran, whose influence in the region has noticeably increased.

Now the Israelis are offering the Saudis to lay trunk pipelines through which raw materials (oil or gas) will initially be transported from the Persian Gulf to ports in Israel (Eilat on the Red Sea coast and Ashkelon on the Mediterranean coast). After that, extensions of these pipelines towards the European Union will be built. In fact, they proposed creating a collective rival to Russia.

The newspaper stresses that the creation of a network of gas and oil pipelines will allow the Arab countries to save a lot of money on transportation by tankers. After that, it will be possible not to be afraid of bottlenecks in the form of the Hormuz and Bab-el-Mandeb straits. In addition, the risks of interference in the transportation of raw materials by rebels from Yemen and pirates from Somalia will be completely excluded.
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    17 September 2020 22: 05
    Oh how. And they tell us so much that the pipe is yesterday. It is fashionable to transport gas by gas carriers and Europe does not need gas at all, there are already heaps of everything. laughing

    I predict an increase in tension and the intensification of bandit formations in the Jordanian border area.
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      17 September 2020 22: 28
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      I predict

      I would not like to upset you, but forecasts are clearly not your strong point ... negative As for the joint Arab-Israeli economic projects, they can certainly become very successful, but the economy in this case is not the main reason for the rapprochement between the Arab countries and Israel. With the growing threat from Iran, Arabs are trying to enlist the support of the Jewish state. Well, the economic benefits - by themselves.
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        17 September 2020 22: 37
        I would not like to upset you, but forecasts are clearly not your strong point ...

        Don't worry, you weren't upset at all. Are they yours? Suggest your forecast? winked

        As for the joint Arab-Israeli economic projects, they can certainly become very successful, but the economy in this case is not the main reason for the rapprochement between the Arab countries and Israel. With the growing threat from Iran, Arabs are trying to enlist the support of the Jewish state. Well, the economic benefits - by themselves.

        If you translate your "lace" into a simple colloquial, it turns out that ...
        An economic project in which the economy is not the main thing, and the Arabs are trying to enlist the support of Israel.
        Hence two questions, or if you want a conclusion.
        1) An economic project where the economy is not the main thing is doomed, at least one side will not earn anything on this. And something tells me that it will be Arabs. smile
        2) How effective the Israeli roof is is a big question.

        Will you guard the pipe in the desert? Syria and Iraq are nearby, but very few people will wander there.
        Still wondering how popular such cooperation is in the Arab world?
        How happy will Qatar, for example, be with a new gas pipe?
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          17 September 2020 23: 19
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          An economic project in which the economy is not the main thing, and the Arabs are trying to enlist the support of Israel.

          The main thing in this project is the political component, which does not mean that it is economically untenable. At the same time, laying oil and gas pipelines from the Gulf to Israeli ports is only one of the options for joint activities, far from the main one, because the era of hydrocarbons is drawing to a close. The Arabs understand this and are eager to invest funds from the oil and gas trade in promising technologies of the future that can ensure their continued existence - the efficient use of renewable energy sources, advanced methods of desalination of seawater, breakthrough agricultural and medical technologies, and much more. And here next to Israel, which belongs to the world leaders in these areas, so all the way - their money and our brains.

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          How effective the Israeli roof is is a big question.

          I am embarrassed to ask - whose roof is more efficient today?

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          Will you guard the pipe in the desert?

          PMC "Wagner" will definitely not be invited. bully
        2. +1
          17 September 2020 23: 37
          You have two posed questions, both with answers. 1. Israel will deceive gullible Arabs; 2. Gas and oil pipelines - vulnerable in the context of what are located in the very ❤️ of the seething BW. Unconvincing. The Arabs of the Gulf countries are great businessmen. They have the best education. Any oil and gas deal is not an implicit action, but a carefully written contract. Most likely multilateral, with guarantors in the form of third countries and banks, with payment upon delivery, with formulas that take into account surges in raw material prices. The best lawyers will be involved. And what will theoretical deception give. Well, the contract is terminated. And the deceiver will incur losses, and even fork out in international arbitration. And it is no coincidence that the countries located there are the richest on the planet. On the second question, briefly. Look at the map. Which Iraq, which Syria? Eilat is a stone's throw from SA. And covered by Sinai from the South West. Through the Jordanian Strait of Aqaba, people on the beach are also visible. And about 20 kilometers away from the SA border. I saw it myself. And not once or twice. Therefore, they pull, which is convenient. Shortest way. Well, what about Qatar? You still frighten Israel with the principality of Monaco. Roughly the same option.
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            18 September 2020 00: 05
            You have two posed questions, both with answers.

            Maybe you're right. I am having trouble finding a term laughing

            1. Israel will deceive gullible Arabs ..

            Rather make money on a stupid prince.

            2. Gas and oil pipelines - vulnerable in the context of what are located in the very ❤️ of the seething BW. Unconvincing.

            Maybe. Can you tell us what methods Qatar will use? He's probably happy with the competition.

            The Arabs of the Gulf countries are great businessmen. They have the best education.

            Of course Yes we know. Gorgeous, educated businessmen in bed sheets have been brilliant in the recent oil war. Sechin is still choking with laughter.

            Any oil and gas deal is not an implicit action, but a carefully written contract. Most likely multilateral, with guarantors in the form of third countries and banks, with payment upon delivery, with formulas that take into account surges in raw material prices. The best lawyers will be involved.

            You beautifully express good Couldn't the "excellent and educated businessmen" provide it themselves? smile

            And what will theoretical deception give. Well, the contract is terminated. And the deceiver will incur losses, and even fork out in international arbitration.

            I didn't talk about cheating. Will it rather be a payment for a roof, or do you have a country of victorious altruism?

            And it is no coincidence that the countries located there are the richest on the planet.

            Oh, is it? So are the richest? And give the numbers?

            On the second question, briefly. Look at the map. Which Iraq, which Syria? Eilat is a stone's throw from SA. And covered by Sinai from the South West. Through the Jordanian Strait of Aqaba, people on the beach are also visible. And about 20 kilometers away from the SA border. I saw it myself. And not once or twice. Therefore, they pull, which is convenient. Shortest way.

            And who will guard the pipe to the border? Great businessmen "lions of the desert" who are chased like mangy dogs by Yemeni guerrillas?

            Well, what about Qatar? You still frighten Israel with the principality of Monaco. Roughly the same option.

            I'm not trying to scare anyone. Qatar feeds Basmachi in Syria, why not feed them in Jordan? Or will he just swallow and silently watch as he is squeezed out of the market? Maybe Hezbollah will catch up, Iran is probably happy to help the Saudis and you in a useful endeavor.
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              18 September 2020 03: 02
              In Jordan, they know how to deal with troublemakers. The Palestinians will confirm. At one time, King Hussein simply rolled them with tanks when they decided to stir up the water. They will not clatter with the rest either. He laughed about Sechin, thank you. He’s still that “businessman”: )))
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                18 September 2020 11: 28
                In Jordan, they know how to deal with troublemakers. The Palestinians will confirm. At one time, King Hussein simply rolled them with tanks when they decided to stir up the water. They will not clatter with the rest either. He laughed about Sechin, thank you. He’s still that “businessman”: )))

                Well, they can do that. And in “due time” who financed the “troublemakers”?
                What can you say about Qatar?
                As for Sechin and the "excellent businessmen", for clarity, in figures winked
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              18 September 2020 04: 57
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              Qatar feeds Basmachi in Syria, why not feed them in Jordan?

              Because Jordan is ruled by Abdullah from the Hashemite dynasty, who keeps his country in tight hands and does not allow any rabble to raise their heads.

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              Maybe Hezbollah will catch up, Iran is probably happy to help the Saudis and you in a useful endeavor.

              The Persians, of course, would be happy to shit on everyone - Israel, the Arabs, the United States, anyone, but they just understand - if Israel enters the case, then they will very quickly and effectively tear the very body with which they shit. It is for this reason that they silently swallow snot and bury their servicemen and militants from pro-Iranian formations who are killed at Iranian facilities in former Syria. I understand that you would like to bury peace initiatives in the BV, which is why you predict their failure, however, alas, I am not a very young man, I remember how the Soviet media cursed the peace treaty between Egypt and Israel, calling it a betrayal, anticipating it imminent crash. Decades have passed, the most powerful USSR has been gone for thirty years, and the treaty is working. hi
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                18 September 2020 12: 33
                Because Jordan is ruled by Abdullah from the Hashemite dynasty, who keeps his country in tight hands and does not allow any rabble to raise their heads.

                It means a dictator. It is a convenient time to realize this and carry out a revolution.

                The Persians, of course, would be happy to shit on everyone - Israel, Arabs, the United States, anyone, but they just understand - if Israel enters the case, then they will very quickly and effectively tear the very body with which they shit. It is for this reason that they silently swallow snot and bury their servicemen and militants from the pro-Iranian formations who are dying at Iranian facilities in former Syria.

                I think you underestimate them. Hats may not be enough to throw everyone.

                I understand that you would like to bury the peace initiatives in the BV, which is why you predict their failure, however, alas, I am not a very young man, I remember how the Soviet media cursed the peace treaty between Egypt and Israel, calling it a betrayal, anticipating it imminent crash. Decades have passed, the most powerful USSR has been gone for thirty years, and the treaty is working.

                This is with a fright? belay By the way, is the gas-oil pipeline a peace initiative? And I naively thought a business project. Whom do you want to reconcile with this initiative? smile
                I do not know what the Soviet newspapers wrote there, is there something similar now? If I want to tell you that there is no Iran and Qatar, and if there is, they will be immensely happy about the new project and will even start helping. Will this alternative reality suit you? sad
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                  18 September 2020 15: 55
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                  It means a dictator. It is a convenient time to realize this and carry out a revolution.

                  Apparently the Jordanians hold a different opinion on this matter - the Hashemite Kingdom is one of the most peaceful countries in the Arab world.

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                  Hats may not be enough to throw everyone.

                  Throwing hats on the enemy is definitely not our Jewish national trend, this action is typical for another nation ... wink

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                  Will this alternative reality suit you?

                  I, like any adequate person, will be completely satisfied with the peace, tranquility and prosperity of our region.
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                    18 September 2020 16: 47
                    Apparently the Jordanians hold a different opinion on this matter - the Hashemite Kingdom is one of the most peaceful countries in the Arab world.

                    Nothing wrong. Syrians and Libyans did not live badly either. This is fixable, and quickly.

                    Throwing hats on the enemy is definitely not our Jewish national trend, this action is typical for another nation ..

                    Your new compatriots have brought with them a part of the culture and traditions and past place of residence. Now this is part of your national trend. Interpenetration of cultures you know laughing

                    I, like any adequate person, will be completely satisfied with the peace, tranquility and prosperity of our region.

                    Commendable good And how it turns out? winked
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                      18 September 2020 17: 54
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                      Syrians and Libyans did not live badly either.

                      The Libyans lived relatively satisfyingly due to the small number of the population and the high level of income from the sale of low cost oil, while the Syrians were poor and hungry, and besides, they were humiliated by the bloody Alawite rulers.

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                      Interpenetration of cultures

                      Here you are not in the subject - people who have formed in the USSR today are mostly pensioners or on the verge of retirement, their influence on Israeli society is negligible, and their children and grandchildren, who grew up and received education in their new homeland, have nothing to do with the Soviet mentality, they, in the majority , and they don't really know the Russian language.

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                      And how it turns out?

                      What do you think? The current peace talks are only a small part of a large and long-term process.
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                        18 September 2020 18: 24
                        The Libyans lived relatively satisfyingly due to the small number of the population and the high level of income from the sale of low cost oil, while the Syrians were poor and hungry, and besides, they were humiliated by the bloody Alawite rulers.

                        And the Saudis live satisfyingly for another reason? Do they have a population there like the Chinese? If the Indians flee, who will dig oil? They have lost the habit of living without farm laborers. Is it better for the Syrians to live under the ISIS?

                        Here you are not in the subject - people who have formed in the USSR today are mostly pensioners or on the verge of retirement, their influence on Israeli society is negligible, and their children and grandchildren, who grew up and received education in their new homeland, have nothing to do with the Soviet mentality, they, in the majority , and they don't really know the Russian language.

                        Nevertheless, judging by the comments, the mentality was adopted. laughing

                        What do you think? The current peace talks are only a small part of a large and long-term process.

                        I don’t know what will happen next, it’s not very successful yet. hi
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                        18 September 2020 19: 18
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                        not very successful yet

                        Envy silently! hi
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                        18 September 2020 19: 20
                        Envy silently!

                        No problem. Enjoy hi
            3. +2
              18 September 2020 06: 12
              I gave my arguments. It makes no sense to repeat yourself. Oil and gas pipelines as a joint project of the Persian Gulf countries and Israel is an economically mutually beneficial enterprise. The late Emir of Transjordan, Abdullah, who was killed in 1951 by Palestinian terrorists, advocated peace with Israel. I believed that in Galut, the Jews received knowledge to bring light to the peoples of the BV. Our new technologies, participation in construction, security and ports, Arab money and investments in Israel. Everyone benefits. The entire Western and third world. I agree that apart from Qatar and Iran. But this is absolutely nothing decisive factor. The forces are not equal. For the Russian Federation, yes, a little good. But if she cannot stop the project, then she can connect to it. Here I am interested in the links about Sechin "tore his belly with laughter" when the countries of the Persian Gulf collapsed oil prices. Has it benefited the Kremlin's economy, which is 60% dependent on energy exports? What was the economic miscalculation of the Arab oil sheikhs, where did they suffer? You are rightly interested in the wealth data of the Gulf countries. No problem, although this is a common place, I would say a kind of prejudicial fact.
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                18 September 2020 12: 24
                I gave my arguments. It makes no sense to repeat yourself. Oil and gas pipelines as a joint project of the Persian Gulf countries and Israel is an economically mutually beneficial enterprise. The late Emir of Transjordan, Abdullah, who was killed in 1951 by Palestinian terrorists, advocated peace with Israel. I believed that in Galut, the Jews received knowledge to bring light to the peoples of the BV. Our new technologies, participation in construction, security and ports, Arab money and investments in Israel

                I have nothing against it.

                Everyone benefits. The entire Western and third world. I agree that apart from Qatar and Iran.

                And what will we ignore this factor? Do you think there will be no opposition due to their decency and shyness? And how it is carried out in those places, you can see the example of Syria.

                But this is absolutely nothing decisive factor. The forces are not equal.

                Not sure. You and the Saudis make money on the project. "Gas and oil in Europe are above the roof. The market is oversupplied. The entire Western and third" world, by and large, does not care. Well, they will imitate stormy moral support because the US will say so and that's it. If a turmoil breaks out in Jordan, who will get there? Trump? He's finished for you, but he wants a peace prize and remains the only president in history who has not unleashed a new war. In addition, he wanted to attach his own gas there, and not Saudi.

                For the Russian Federation, yes, a little good.

                In the long term, I think yes, but this is if the pipeline is laid through the Mediterranean Sea, but so far the situation has not changed much. The share in the sale of Russian oil and gas will decline. There is a diversification of supplies.

                But if she cannot stop the project, then she can connect to it.

                Why would she do that? What are the reasons?

                But if she cannot stop the project, then she can connect to it. Here I am interested in the links about Sechin "tore his stomach with laughter" when the countries of the Persian Gulf oil prices collapsed. Did this benefit the Kremlin's economy, which is 60% dependent on energy exports? What was the economic miscalculation of the Arab oil sheikhs, where did they suffer?

                Naturally, this did not work in favor of the Kremlin, sales fell for all exporters. The crisis is in the yard, however. But sales of Russian oil and gas fell less. Gas production in Russia has decreased by about 10%, Gazprom has about -6%, compare with the rest. There, in my opinion, only Qatar holds on. For oil, the situation is basically the same.
                At the end of 2019, oil production looked like this (note the + 11% growth in US production)

                https://yearbook.enerdata.ru/crude-oil/world-production-statitistics.html

                And this is how gas production looked at the end of 2019 (the United States increased + 10%)

                https://yearbook.enerdata.ru/natural-gas/world-natural-gas-production-statistics.html

                And this is what the European market looked like, gas sales there were falling already in 2019.

                https://yearbook.enerdata.ru/natural-gas/balance-trade-world-data.html

                Compare with what is being mined now.

                It's about the effectiveness of "great and educated businessmen"



                You are rightly interested in the wealth data of the Gulf countries. No problem, although this is a common place, I would say a kind of prejudicial fact.

                Do you think the richest are those who wear a chain with a finger thick around their neck and paint the walls with golden tinsel? I would prefer all the same comparison in numbers hi
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                  18 September 2020 12: 53
                  Take a look at the GDPs of these countries. These are facts. Which, according to Lenin, is not only indisputable, but also unconditionally evidential thing. And what the money acquired in an honest or dishonest way is spent on is everyone's business. Yes, even for a gold chain for your favorite crocodile. )

                  https://ru.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Список_стран_по_ВВП_(номинал)_на_душу_населения
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                    18 September 2020 13: 20
                    Take a look at the GDPs of these countries. These are facts. Which, according to Lenin, is not only indisputable, but also unconditionally evidential thing. And what the money acquired in an honest or dishonest way is spent on is everyone's business. Yes, even for a gold chain for your favorite crocodile. )

                    You are talking about the income of the population. The wealth of a country is a slightly different concept. If you spend money on a chain, the day is not far off when your beloved crocodile will have to be devoured from hunger. The Saudis' reserves are melting like snow in the mountains, and oil prices are not expected to be comfortable for them. And what are they doing? Diversifying the Economy? Yeah, right now ... New pipeline.
                    And what will they do when the Yemeni partisans come to their tents? Will they show the chain or tell about GDP per capita?
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      19 September 2020 18: 37
      You are again trying to argue with the "three Jews"))). It's your business, of course. But this is really a waste of time. What kind of stubborn, like offended Ukrainians, maybe they are))). But rather one man (not necessarily a man) with three akki sparit. They are always three of them, like Siamese twins. I noticed that no one really discusses with them, and they do the right thing.
  2. +1
    18 September 2020 14: 47
    Quote: 123
    Take a look at the GDPs of these countries. These are facts. Which, according to Lenin, is not only indisputable, but also unconditionally evidential thing. And what the money acquired in an honest or dishonest way is spent on is everyone's business. Yes, even for a gold chain for your favorite crocodile. )

    You are talking about the income of the population. The wealth of a country is a slightly different concept. If you spend money on a chain, the day is not far off when your beloved crocodile will have to be devoured from hunger. The Saudis' reserves are melting like snow in the mountains, and oil prices are not expected to be comfortable for them. And what are they doing? Diversifying the Economy? Yeah, right now ... New pipeline.
    And what will they do when the Yemeni partisans come to their tents? Will they show the chain or tell about GDP per capita?

    I see you just wanted to talk. You are asking all the questions. I also wanted to ask you. Citizens' income is one thing, you say, but the country's wealth is somewhat different. Explain what citizens' income is and where they come from, and then about a completely different concept in your opinion - the country's wealth. And in general, what is GDP and its components. Really curious. Karl Marx with his theory of surplus value will help you! So, then, GDP is by itself, and incomes of citizens by themselves? Well, do they at least correlate? Or in general: "You Praskovya Filippovna is one thing, and we are something completely different." And money, in general, can be printed, but the sheikhs will throw off on a color printer. Are you ready, baking your posts like pancakes, to provide links to the UAE and CA oil fields and their exact location, distance to Eilat and Ashkelon? Or exact data on how many sheikhs have stakes in certain leading companies in the world, in which economic projects these sheikhs invest, how much they have? Or at a loss? But you have everything; "and if, but if ..." V.V. Putin, apparently especially for people like you, publicly spoke about who grandmother would be if ...
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      18 September 2020 16: 36
      I see you just wanted to talk. You are asking all the questions. I also wanted to ask you. Citizens' income is one thing, you say, but the country's wealth is somewhat different. Explain what citizens' income is and where they come from, and then about a completely different concept in your opinion - the country's wealth.

      Citizens' incomes are undoubtedly important, consumption depends on this as one of the components of GDP, but this is only one of the components.

      And in general, what is GDP and its components. Really curious. Karl Marx with his theory of surplus value will help you! So, then, GDP is by itself, and incomes of citizens by themselves? Well, do they at least correlate? Or in general: "You Praskovya Filippovna is one thing, but we are something completely different."

      As you wish Yes The components of GDP are consumption, investment, government spending and exports. As for the GDP of Saudi Arabia, it will be the export that will be the primary one, since incomes mainly depend on it, and therefore consumption and the amount of government spending. The export structure is approximately as follows: Oil and petroleum products - 85%, petrochemicals - 12%, the rest I think is not significant. (the data is not very fresh, if something has changed dramatically, correct it). I believe you are aware of the situation with oil prices. They are unlikely to reach a level comfortable for the Saudis in the near future. The budget deficit is growing. From here, government spending inevitably decreases, investment decreases, for now a little, but the Saudis are forced to reduce the income of the population, which will inevitably lead to a decrease in consumption.

      Saudi Arabia's reserves for February 2020 amount to $ 497 million (I suppose they did not become more).

      https://knoema.ru/

      (full link is long, you can find it if you want)

      Investments? The Saudis are selling everything they can. It's fresh.

      Middle Eastern sovereign wealth fund cuts stake in Berkshire Hathaway by half

      https://quote.rbc.ru/news/article/5f3cdbf79a794740638d9dac

      Saudi Arabia's sovereign wealth fund Public Investment Fund (PIF) has sold more than $ 5,5 billion of shares in large companies.

      https://quote.rbc.ru/news/article/5f3a3feb9a79472f5d2317ff

      If this continues, the inhabitants of the "richest" country will soon return to traditional animal husbandry.

      And money, in general, can be printed, but the sheikhs will throw off on a color printer.

      This is unlikely No. they are tightly pegged to the dollar.

      Are you ready, baking your posts like pancakes, to provide links to the UAE and CA oil fields and their exact location, distance to Eilat and Ashkelon? Or exact data on how many sheikhs have stakes in certain leading companies in the world, in which economic projects these sheikhs invest, how much they have? Or at a loss?

      Why do you need a map of oil fields? belay I had to hold the Samotlor map in my hands. I assure you, there is no useful information for this question. request
      For the rest, see above. If there is news about the growth of reserves or that they have stopped selling assets, I would be grateful for the information. The question is just how long they can hold out.

      But you have everything; "and if, but if ..." V.V. Putin, apparently especially for people like you, publicly spoke about who grandmother would be if ...

      I understand that you were upset by the information that not everything with the new pipeline can be great. Nothing, get used to control yourself. Have you decided to start an interesting game? Well ... Congratulations on your debut. I will watch with interest whether they will start poking a newbie into a pile of manure and whether you will be able to avoid it. By the way, besides Iran and Qatar ... there the Turks in the Mediterranean were going to extract gas ... I suppose you will make friends hi
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    18 September 2020 15: 10
    It is necessary to prevent
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    18 September 2020 18: 20
    WHAT "leaf that has fallen to the ground" will undertake to "cover" all this economy? of course, if you dig a little deeper, take at least a flickering face of Kirienko, who was "fucked up" in his time, and reduce the "irreducible", then maybe something will turn out for a couple of weeks))
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    18 September 2020 20: 27
    Let's start with the fact that the perspectives outlined in the article are not a matter of tomorrow. The main thing is that it is based on the desire to get benefits, and not on playing against a third party, the project would make sense even in the absence of this third party. Arabs can get optimization of the delivery of hydrocarbons, Israel could earn - mutual benefit as a bonus to the political process.