Erdogan needed Russian Su-35 and Su-57 against the Greeks

9 September 2020 23

The conflict between Greece and Turkey over the resources of the sea shelf of the Eastern Mediterranean is clearly going to a power scenario. The United States is still standing over the battle, Europe is arming Athens, while Ankara, apparently, is betting on Russian weapons.

About how aggressive expansionist policy President Erdogan led to the formation of a broad anti-Turkish coalition, we detail told earlier. The Sultan crossed the road not only to many Middle Eastern and North African countries, but also to its formal NATO allies, Greece and France.

As expected, in the conflict between Athens and Ankara, Paris and other European capitals are ready to support the Greeks. For example, London is considering transferring its Type 23 frigates to the Greek Navy, and Washington is considering selling MMSC-class frigates. This should neutralize the dominance of the Turkish fleet in the region. France, in turn, is ready to help the Greek Air Force. It is estimated that Ankara can deploy 206 fighters against 187 at Athens. The superiority of the Turks in the air is supported by the higher level of pilot training.

As you know, Greece's military budget is three times inferior to its main enemy, because the Air Force had previously been forced to make do with the modernization of the existing fleet. Paris intends to even out the balance of power by donating 8 Rafale fighters to the Hellenes and selling a dozen more at a reduced price. By the way, one French aircraft manufactured by the Dassault Aviation concern costs 240 million euros for an ordinary buyer.

Ironically, President Erdogan is clearly counting on Russian weapons in his confrontation with his NATO "allies". According to the Turkish publication Haber7, the disputed region in the Eastern Mediterranean has been targeted by the S-400 air defense systems. Still, the "Sultan" found application for his purchase, which caused him so much trouble. This means that the Turks now control the airspace over the gas field.

According to the American Military Watch magazine, Ankara plans to purchase four dozen Su-35 fighters from Moscow. Apparently, the Turkish military appreciates their chances in battle against the Greek F-16 Block V and French Rafale. To be more convincing, writes Haber7, President Erdogan may purchase fifth-generation Su-57 fighters from Russia.

This is a fairly strong political move. Experienced pilots at the helm of such a combat vehicle will have an advantage over previous generation fighters. French Rafale and American F-16s will begin to fall, and then the Pentagon will have a choice whether to send their F-35s to the "Eastern Mediterranean Front" or not. There are two important nuances. First, direct military assistance from Athens can be extremely negatively perceived by Ankara. Secondly, there is a good chance that fifth generation American fighters will also start falling. But this will be a big anti-advertising of the products of the United States military-industrial complex.

In this context, President Erdogan's decision to acquire Russian Su-57s looks like a very reasonable move.

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Vladimir Tuzakov

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9 September 2020 13: 49

Political reality has determined the parties to the conflict over hydrocarbons in the Middle East. There are no other allies for Russia, except Turkey (and Iran), who have turned to the west of Bulgaria and Greece, which has long turned its back on allies ... Therefore, everyone looks in their own interests, including Russia ...
steelmaker

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9 September 2020 14: 37

I believe that if the Su-35 is to be sold, then only under the agreement on Syria. First, squeeze out the Turks, then the United States. Su-57 cannot be sold to anyone yet!
rotkiv04

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9 September 2020 14: 48

Ultimately, these weapons will confront Russia itself, and the Sultan has already shown more than once that he has only situational allies. Putin already felt this fully after he saved the life of the sultan himself, but now is the time for money and, most likely, they will sell both the Su-35, and the Su-57, and the Armata, if necessary.
Cudgel

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9 September 2020 15: 16

How can you sell a plane that does not exist in metal? They seemed to have made one, but he fell.
According to the article, it is clear that war is on the doorstep, and the Turks will be able to buy the Su-57, well, in 5-7 years. So why was it necessary to weave the Su-57 here?
Likewise, with all sorts of fittings, when the engine is made to it so that it breaks and the papier-mâché tower is replaced with a metal one, then maybe they will sell Armata to the Turks.
The last Rafali are superior to any of our aircraft, including the Su-35. The same goes for missiles. But Rafali will probably be more expensive for the Turks.
1. sgrabik
  
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  9 September 2020 18: 35
  
  Why flog this nonsense, the first Su-57 will enter our aerospace forces in early 2021, and Armata has completely passed the state. tested and with a modified engine ready for serial production and for export.
  1. Cudgel
    
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    9 September 2020 19: 03
    
    I refused the engine for the Armata, it didn't work out.
    
    https://yandex.ru/turbo/utro.ru/s/army/2020/02/26/1436618.shtml
    
    https://topwar.ru/167639-chto-proishodit-s-tankom-armata.html
    
    And the concept itself is a dead end. The whole world and the leaders of tank building are making a classic design, and we have a wunderwaffle. Well, the result is from here.
    Do you remember when the Su-57 was supposed to start entering the troops, the officials announced, a year like 2015? What has changed, well, yes, now other officials are announcing the admission dates. How many pieces per year can we produce? Plus childhood diseases, plus crooked software. The Americans have been fighting the F-35 for a long time, we will correct childhood illnesses twice as long.
    1. Rum rum
      
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      9 September 2020 19: 22
      
      And can you bring more rotten news?
      1. Cudgel
        
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        9 September 2020 19: 28
        
        Then bring them not rotten ones, we wait, sir.
        This is news from patriotic resources, based on the statements of official uncles.
        There is no money in the country and is no longer expected. It's not like the Armata, everyone will be cut. Export revenue falls on everything, that's why the rate is growing.
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3. Rum rum
  
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  9 September 2020 19: 20
  
  Maybe yours are superior, but the Russian ones are unlikely.
  You, zaslanets, can be seen a mile away. Thinner is necessary, although what I mean. The club is the club.
  1. Cudgel
    
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    9 September 2020 19: 31
    
    It was necessary to be formed, comrade, to finish a technical university. Read scientific and journalistic literature. Memories of Chief Designers. Then the State Department would not have been blamed on the Zaslanites!
4. Marzhecki
  
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  10 September 2020 07: 27
  
  Quote: Cudgel
  According to the article, it is clear that war is on the doorstep, and the Turks will be able to buy the Su-57, well, in 5-7 years. So why was it necessary to weave the Su-57 here?
  
  The Su-57 was woven by the Turks themselves.
5. KNF
  
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  10 September 2020 11: 55
  
  Rafali are sold to the Greeks ..... France will never sell them to the Turks.
dinos

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9 September 2020 21: 25

The superiority of the Turks in the air is supported by the higher level of pilot training.

Dear author, for your information, for the last, at least five years, Greek pilots have become "super varrior" at NATO Air Force exercises. In 2019 alone, the Turks violated Greek airspace or international air traffic regulations 5.000 (five thousand) times, and in all these cases they were intercepted by the Greek Air Force, i.e. the Turks carried out their own programmed invasions and the Greeks, nevertheless, intercepted them. Quite often one Turkish plane violated the air borders, was intercepted, went into its airspace and violated again in another place, and was intercepted again, and so on several times, which testifies to the high training of the Greek Air Force pilots and their ground services. In addition, after an unsuccessful military coup, Erdogan staged a pogrom in the Turkish Air Force, which even forced the Turks to invite pilots for their F-16s from other countries (Pakistan). So the combat capability of the Turkish Air Force is questionable.
1. Marzhecki
  
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  10 September 2020 07: 25
  
  Listen, we also have Knights and so on. aces. But how many are actually in the air force?
  It should be judged by the average general level.
  1. dinos
    
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    10 September 2020 10: 34
    
    We're not talking about acrobatic demonstration squadrons here, but combat regiments. And if every day you have to intercept two dozen violators along the entire length of the air border, this implies very tough conditions for the training of all pilots and ground services. And different squadrons of the Greek Air Force participate in NATO exercises every year. Incl. the average for the Air Force is very high.
Alexzn

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10 September 2020 08: 17

The issue of the Turkish acquisition of the Su-57 is nothing more than speculation in the media. Why discuss selling an aircraft that is not on the market?
The assumption that the F-35 will begin to fall is legitimate, but the likelihood that the stealth will demolish air defense systems, including the S-400, has not been canceled. Especially when Israeli gas platforms fall into the war zone. War will show ...
There is not a single country in the region (well, maybe except Qatar) that wants Turkey to win. In the event of a conflict in the maritime zone between Turkey and Greece, the situation with the Kurds in Libya, most likely in Idlib, will also escalate. As a matter of fact, the Turkish army in its structure was created to fight in 3-4 points at the same time, but this is not the best scenario for it. Suzhit. But the next day after the war, serious complications of hemorrhoids will be revealed.
1. KNF
  
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  10 September 2020 12: 01
  
  The fact is that the Turkish army does not fight anywhere. Basmachi, Muslim brothers, Turkomans, Ishilovtsovs and all kinds of other rubbish, are fighting for them. The army itself is weak and not as presented.
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Alexzn

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10 September 2020 12: 33

KNF
The fact is that the Turkish army does not fight anywhere. Basmachi, Muslim brothers, Turkomans, Ishilovtsovs and all kinds of other rubbish, are fighting for them. The army itself is weak and not as presented.

You also need to be able to fight with someone else. I don’t think the Greek army is better prepared and less sensitive to losses. The Turks are definitely stronger, but the Greeks have more friends (but they will not fight instead of the Greeks).
1. KNF
  
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  11 September 2020 10: 09
  
  Read carefully what dinos (Dinos) writes on September 9, 2020 21:25. Everyone knows that ...
  
  Dear author, for your information, for the last, at least five years, Greek pilots have become "super varrior" at NATO Air Force exercises. In 2019 alone, the Turks violated Greek airspace or international air traffic regulations 5.000 (five thousand) times, and in all these cases they were intercepted by the Greek Air Force, i.e. the Turks carried out their own programmed invasions and the Greeks, nevertheless, intercepted them. Quite often one Turkish plane violated the air borders, was intercepted, went into its airspace and violated again in another place, and was intercepted again, and so on several times, which testifies to the high training of the Greek Air Force pilots and their ground services. In addition, after an unsuccessful military coup, Erdogan staged a pogrom in the Turkish Air Force, which even forced the Turks to invite pilots for their F-16s from other countries (Pakistan). So the combat capability of the Turkish Air Force is questionable.
Alexzn

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11 September 2020 18: 39

Quote: KNF
Read carefully what dinos (Dinos) writes on September 9, 2020 21:25. Everyone knows that ...

Dear author, for your information, for the last, at least five years, Greek pilots have become "super varrior" at NATO Air Force exercises. In 2019 alone, the Turks violated Greek airspace or international air traffic regulations 5.000 (five thousand) times, and in all these cases they were intercepted by the Greek Air Force, i.e. the Turks carried out their own programmed invasions and the Greeks, nevertheless, intercepted them. Quite often one Turkish plane violated the air borders, was intercepted, went into its airspace and violated again in another place, and was intercepted again, and so on several times, which testifies to the high training of the Greek Air Force pilots and their ground services. In addition, after an unsuccessful military coup, Erdogan staged a pogrom in the Turkish Air Force, which even forced the Turks to invite pilots for their F-16s from other countries (Pakistan). So the combat capability of the Turkish Air Force is questionable.

Yes, I agree! The whole problem is that even against this background, the Turks are much stronger. Most importantly, they are less sensitive to losses. More precisely, the Turks are stronger in a full-scale war; in a local conflict, the Greeks can very well push the Turks. Which is what I wish them.
1. Alex russia
  
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  14 September 2020 21: 35
  
  The Turks have three active conflicts at the moment, they have dispersed their forces on all fronts, and this is far from in their favor. The Greeks have quite strong air forces, and given the 100% support from the same France, Egypt, Israel, Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, Italy, I'm not talking about other EU countries - the Turks will definitely not have a sweet tooth, and this will clearly not be a walk across Syria. And even though Erdogan barks constantly, he perfectly understands how it can break off for him. In addition, it is necessary to take into account the reaction of the United States, which may not have spoken out openly in support of the coalition, but they are definitely not delighted with today's Turkey, and will definitely do their best to punish Erdogan, especially if Trump falls
semen

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13 September 2020 22: 21

And yet, it would not hurt Turkey to get Lyuli, so that they cool down a little and diminish their ambition ...
Alex russia

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14 September 2020 21: 24

You read it and you just wonder what advanced strategists we have published, I hope our generals are not completely crazy to sell the SU-57 to the Turks, they will fight against us tomorrow, Turkey is still an ally! We must keep our ear sharp! Moreover, how paradoxical it is in this conflict for Russia, it is beneficial for Turkey to suffer a complete fiasco, because only with a weak and defeated Turkey can we talk on our terms!
And in general, Russia is ideally satisfied with the collapse of Turkey in the end, thus disappearing once and for all the global threat on our southern borders!