The last line of defense: Putin in Belarus took into account his sad experience of Ukraine


Belarusian is nearing its end political a crisis. Already now we can sum up some of its results. The main result is obvious - the Kremlin drew the right conclusions from the Ukrainian Maidan, and already in Belarus did not repeat their past mistakes. And they didn’t repeat it themselves, and they didn’t let dad repeat it. We will talk about these lessons today.


Lesson # 1: The Kremlin's Clear, Unambiguous Position


Moscow, in spite of all Lukashenka’s pre-election rhetoric, immediately recognized the results of the elections in the Republic of Belarus and immediately designated the shores beyond which it would not allow anyone to swim. It is about recognizing the Republic of Belarus as a zone of its vital interests and the formation of a reserve of police forces, which Moscow is ready to send to the Republic of Belarus at the first request. Why this worked in Belarus and did not work in Ukraine, after all, Ukraine was and remains a zone of vital interests of the Russian Federation, and the Federation Council of the Russian Federation even gave the go-ahead to Putin to use the RF Armed Forces to suppress the rebellion, the answer to this question will become clear from the following lessons, about which are below.

Lesson # 2: Power Suppression


The authorities in Minsk, taking into account the sad Ukrainian experience, did not allow the protesters to gain a foothold in the territory, and with their tough forceful actions, even in the bud, thwarted any attempts to seize administrative buildings, law enforcement agencies and ministries. Once again proving the thesis that there is never too much strength. As a result, Belomaidan turned into a migratory or “partisan” one, after the dispersal of which by mobile OMON groups, it was transformed into a carnival holiday of disobedience permitted by the authorities, which was no longer dangerous for Lukashenka, since it had no adequate leaders, no clear program of action, no single coordinating center. The opposition still does not know what to do with the protesters taken to the streets. And thank God!

Lesson # 3: No negotiations with the protesters


Remembering the sad experience of Yanukovych, Lukashenko deliberately did not deign to negotiate with the protesters, which did not allow them to legitimize their protest. Any external legitimation is nothing if there is no internal one. Lukashenko adopted the successful experience of Venezuela, where Maduro completely neutralized all attempts of the collective West to impose negotiations with their protege Guaido on him. And where is Guaido now? That's right, it has sunk into political oblivion. There, where Madame Tikhanovskaya's comrades are already waiting.

Lesson # 4: First Person Behavior


Lukashenko's behavior was also strikingly different from the behavior of his Ukrainian counterpart at the initial stage of the confrontation. Yanukovych showed weakness, making concessions to the protesters, first removing Azarov from the post of prime minister, and then not giving the command for a forceful sweep, although the situation more than contributed to this. The seizures of administrative buildings have already taken place, the invaders have put forward political demands, “lighters” and burned tires were used, the first sacred victims appeared. Lukashenka did not wait for any of this, but immediately gave the command for a forceful clean-up, which intercepted the strategic initiative. About his appearance with a gun and a demonstration of readiness to die rather than retreat, I will not say anything. He did not repeat Yanukovych's mistakes. Although he had fewer reasons for a power sweep than his Ukrainian counterpart. The result is obvious - Yanukovych fled, and Lukashenka continues to sit, although bayonets are not the most convenient place for this.

Lesson # 5: Takeover


And most importantly, Lukashenka managed to impose his agenda on the Maidan, seizing the strategic initiative. This was partly due to his readiness for such events (for Yanukovych, they were a complete surprise) and a clear example of how one should not behave (for example, the same Yanukovych). Although, in fairness, it should be noted that the situation in Ukraine was much worse. The entire collective West came out against Yanukovych, while in the situation with Lukashenko, the West began to bleat at random, glancing at the United States, and Trump, anxious about his election campaign, took a wait-and-see attitude, if not to say that he was completely frostbitten. In addition, all the local oligarchs, who, in addition to money, also had leverage of informational pressure, confronted Yanukovych on the internal track. And Lukashenka had no political opponents, since he himself had cleared this field long before these events, there were no oligarchs all the more for the same reasons, and the entire information space was in his hands. How he used it, losing the war to telegram channels, is another matter.

Other lessons of "Belomaidan"


The decisive factor in Lukashenka's victory (and this is already a given, his opponents can only admit it) was the support of the Russian Federation, which, having all the consequences of the ukromaidan and realizing that she is next in line (and the exact date is already known - March 17, 2024) ), took all steps to prevent the Belarusian experience from becoming successful for her enemies. I will not talk about the military, military-political and logistical consequences of the loss of Belarus. The first reason is enough. Belarus is the last line of defense of the Russian Federation. As a result of this support, the dad managed to avoid such consequences of the ukromaidan as mass, including sacred, sacrifices, betrayal of the elites (although there were such attempts in the information space and among the director's corps) and the loss of leverage and monopoly on the use of violence.

Why did Putin manage to defend his interests in Belarus and failed to do the same in Ukraine? This is a question from the questions that have been tormenting me for 6 years. It would seem that everything was in his hands, the permission of the Federation Council of the Russian Federation for the use of troops was received - why did he not go to the end, but limited himself only to the Crimea?

Ukraine: Chekhov's gun


You, of course, remember this old Chekhovian metaphor:

If a gun is hanging on the wall in Act 1, it means that in Act 4 it will definitely fire.

On the "Reporter" there is a text for 2018, where I reflect on this. It is called "Putin's main mistake", everyone can get acquainted (and those who do not want too!). For those who cannot afford it, I will give only three quotes from there. Please note that the text was written 2 years ago, under the regime of the Drunken Confectioner. What has changed during this time with the Jolly Clown mode? It got worse!

Donbass over the years has become our undisguised defeat, a stain of shame that will darken our consciousness for a long time to come. For 5 years, we have allowed the war criminal Poroshenko to kill and mock at the Russian people, who are guilty before him only because they wanted to remain Russian. Recognize Russia Donbass, none of this would have happened. But the Kremlin prefers to play its cunning political games, throwing people into the timelessness between the past and the future, when you do not know what will happen tomorrow and what you will feed your own children. And this has been going on for 5 years! The Great Patriotic War lasted less. Where did the residents of Donbass have so much patience? And how is it worse than the Crimea? Maybe you didn't shed enough blood? So no, maybe the Crimean will be. Maybe there are not enough Russian people? Also not, there are not even Crimean Tatars there. So how long will this shame last ?! Starting with the forgiven boilers near Ilovaisk, Debaltsevo, Zelenopole and stopping the offensive on Mariupol, and ending with the murders of Zakhar, Motor and Givi.

And this I am still silent about the reprogramming of the rest of the population remaining in the territory occupied by the junta, about the cultivation of a stupid and embittered herd of rams with a changed psyche and a broken historical code, which will soon be ready to go to trample anyone who is pointed out by the puppet masters standing behind the screen. this action. A herd on which psychological experiments are being carried out, which even a ghoul like Goebbels could envy. We gave these bastards the main resource - time so that they can harvest the seeds they sown in 2014. And this was absolutely impossible to do. It's worse than a crime - it's a mistake! He who sows the wind once will reap the storm!

The main irreparable geopolitical mistake of Putin and the main geopolitical defeat of the Russian Federation is that Putin in 2014 did not strangle this infection in the bud. Now this is clearly clear and understandable. All the conditions for this were created - the permission of the Federation Council of the Russian Federation for the use of troops was received, the appeal of the legally elected president of Ukraine was also received (remember, this was before the Crimea!). But Putin did not risk it. For which now he rakes out! But then it was easy enough to do it. The junta was completely incapacitated. Having destroyed the vertical of power, she had not yet had time to offer anything else in return. The siloviki took a wait and see attitude. Everyone waited to see which side the bowl would swing. And Putin had all the tools to swing it towards the Russian Federation. But he chose to confine himself only to Crimea, leaving the people of Ukraine alone with the Bandera rabble, who had learned the taste of human blood, crawling out of some dusty OUN basement.

Had he acted more decisively then, there would have been nothing - no Boeing, no Tomos, no Donbass, no endless ships with Ukraine on its debts and gas transit, no problems with the GTS, there would be no need to build SP-2 and TP, there would be no disturbed production ties of the military-industrial complex, which entailed the problems of the fleet and "Russian Helicopters", there would be no constant threat of aggravation and provocations from the junta and its blackmail by American bases and NATO ships in the Black and Azov seas. True, there would be no "Krymnash", and the Crimean bridge, but why is it to the Russian Federation, a lot of money has already been spent and will still spend, and everything is like into an abyss. But there would always be sanctions. And there will be more! But at least this is how they designated the shores that you can't swim over! We would retain the respect of both Russians and our sympathizers around the world. And in reality, not in words, but in deeds, they proved that the "Russian world" is not a slogan, but a guide to action. And in this way they would demonstrate to the whole world that the Russian Federation is fighting not for territories, albeit strategic ones, but for people. Those very RUSSIAN people. By spirit and way of thinking, not by nationality. And then I could say - yes, this is our victory, a big and real victory, and not what we have now.

“If a country chooses shame between shame and war, then it will receive shame and war!” These are the words of Winston Churchill, they have the most direct relation to us. Ukraine has always been, is and will be a zone of strategically important interests for the Russian Federation, without any reference to Brzezinski, its zone of influence, and its final loss will become a permanent bleeding wound on the body of the Russian Federation. The Americans, we must give them their due, knew perfectly well where they were beating and what they were doing. And all naive idiots can continue to calm themselves with hopes that it will somehow resolve itself. She will die by herself. Will disappear. It breaks down into atoms. Will not disappear or disintegrate! Only together with the RF! This is a shahid mobile aimed at us. This embalmed corpse has not yet fulfilled its purpose. It is artificially kept afloat by the hands of the IMF, the gasoline is poured - the other day they threw another 3,9 yards of greenery into the dying man's furnace. Why are these gentlemen doing this? Well, definitely not for the future prosperity of the people of Ukraine.

The deceased is being equipped for the last journey. They are stuffed with hexogen (not so long ago, Congress approved the supply of more lethal weapons to him, this time to strengthen the Navy). To all naive idiots, I say - you still can't get away from the war! Are you waiting for Ukraine to strike first? You will wait! The command for this is not given by Kiev, I hope, at least you understand that? Stalin had a chance to strike first. Did not have time. As a result, he lost half of the country. He returned 4 years, paying 27 million lives for it.

Ukraine: 3rd act of the play. Clown actors have changed, but the screenwriter remains the same


2 years have passed since the text was written. Nothing changed. Zelensky continued Poroshenko's policy. It got worse. And this has been going on for 6 years! Just the other day, Ukraine, in support of my words, received another handout, this time from the EU - 1,2 billion euros (600 million at once, and another 600 million within a year in case of good behavior), and immediately began to work off this money. No, I'm not talking about the land market that she opened to Western buyers. What is her land to us? Even if they take it all out and turn Ukraine into a desert, we do not mind. I'm talking about it and about it... This is another proof of the Kremlin's mistakes in relation to Ukraine in 2014. We got ourselves an enemy here that we will regret for a long time, but it will be too late! These bastards just don't squeal with happiness to annoy us. This time, two flights of Ukrainian fighters MiG-29 and Su-27 of the 114th and 831st tactical aviation brigades of the Armed Forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are accompanying the three American B-52 strategists for bombing the Crimea and the Black Sea Fleet base. Until the virtual bombing. But we will wait for the real one, and do not say that you were not warned!

In order to avoid any illusions, in this case the Americans do not provoke us to retaliatory actions, they are stupidly checking our air defense system. No wonder there, near the Black Sea, two American and one British AWACS were recorded in the sky at once, these are flying command bunkers at the Boeing base (for the Americans) and at the Bombardier base (for the British), electronic radio intelligence systems. They were waiting for us to connect the stations for tracking and detecting the enemy air defense of the new fortified area of ​​the Russian Black Sea Fleet, which appeared there along with the transition of the Crimea to our jurisdiction. We did not do this, although we were still leading them over Poland. But the Americans could not fly over Ukraine until 2014. Now they can. Whether it is a win or a loss for the Russian Federation, decide for yourself. Moreover, Ukraine is not even a NATO member at all. And the Americans don't need this! This is already their territory, is it really not clear? This is exactly what Putin achieved with his indecision in 2014. You can continue to calm yourself down with fairy tales that the non-brothers will clean up everything. They're going to scoop something out, just what? You will still lose from this, but your enemies will benefit. That's the whole fairy tale, which you can't play back now. I had to think in 2014!

But even after 6 years, I still did not find an answer to a seemingly simple question, if Putin was able to send troops to Syria at the request of the legally elected President Assad and break the Americans' buzz there, then what he could not send troops to Ukraine at the request the legally elected, then not yet fugitive Ukrainian President Yanukovych? If, by initiating a military operation in the Syrian Arab Republic, Putin was able to achieve a complete reconstruction of events not only in Syria, but also in the entire Middle East, with the change of all the guard and active forces there, with a redistribution of their balance in favor of the Russian Federation, and, as a result, achieve a change the international status of the Russian Federation as a world power with all that it implies, then why did he not do the same in Ukraine, than break all the plans of the West and write history himself, rather than rewrite it, raking out after Ukraine, the servant of all his enemies ?! The question is rhetorical. We will not know the answer soon, it is known only in the Kremlin, and there they know how to keep their secrets. But I am already tired of reading the comments of all the Kremlin propagandists who explain to me why this was not necessary and that the people of Ukraine are the master of their own destiny. Regarding the people of Ukraine and who is the boss there, we will talk another time, but now I will only answer the critics why the people of Ukraine cannot do anything about the monsters who have seized power in the country.

Watch this video, since it's short.


This is the head of the LKSMU Mikhail Kononovich. He explained everything popularly, literally in two words:

In the Baltics they don't kill for the Russian language! And we have real death squads. There are many smart, few courageous! All those who disagree are already either in the ground, or in prison, or on the run - some in the Russian Federation, some in the LPR. If in the Baltic States they smashed their heads with a hammer for the Russian language, there would be fewer people wishing to protest!

Moreover, I will add that this is all done with the tacit consent and simply on the direct instructions of the Ukrainian authorities, represented by the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the Security Service of Ukraine. All local, so-called "patriots" are in their support and operate under their roof, which guarantees them complete impunity. None of them have ever been criminally liable, even for murders, I keep quiet about beatings, this is a common thing, even if you make a person disabled, nothing will happen to you. There are plenty of examples of this, starting with the murder of Buzina, and ending with the latest attacks on the activists of Sharia and the HLP.

Are you still willing to "speak out"? SBU is already coming to you! They themselves will not get dirty, your head will simply be smashed in the entrance by some bipedal creature in a balaclava and camouflage pants. And she will get nothing for it! Attach a video of what was done to the leader of the party Sharia in Kharkov? The guy is still in a coma. He was an athlete, a trainer in martial arts. Prior to that, the same was done with the representative of the party Sharia in Zhitomir. Note that the victim is also not a timid man, and does not give the impression of a botany student, and how did he end up? Washed in blood! The attacker is known, but he was not hiding, a veteran of the ATO from the Azov regiment Roman Borovik, nicknamed "Satan", heads the local National Corps. Do you think he had something for it? Petty hooliganism. For him in Ukraine, ATO veterans are given only coupons for enhanced food and a bonus in the Ministry of Internal Affairs (the National Corps goes through their department - Avakov's fosterlings).

Do you want to continue the list? On July 16, party member Shariy was beaten in Kiev. July 29 the same thing in Nikolaev. On July 13, representatives of the National Corps attacked the house of the head of the Kharkiv headquarters of the Sharia Party, while wounding two people. Firearm. Fine! And what not?! June 22 Cherkassy - two more members of Sharia's party were beaten, the girl was simply "turned off" with a jet of gas, and the guy tried to resist - he got a hammer, thank God, not on the head. July 1 - Vinnytsia, representatives of the National Corps crowd "harassed" an elderly supporter of the party, Shariy, all of his ribs are broken, his diaphragm and lung are punctured. You yourself know everything about the bus of supporters of the OPSZ that was fired upon near the Kharkiv Dnieper unit of the National Corps. They chided and released. I don't even mention the small things in the form of people doused with brilliant green. Someone ruined their clothes and mood, someone almost lost their sight (Oleg Voloshin, a member of the HLP faction in the Rada). These are the everyday life of modern Ukraine. Who else in Russia thinks that Ukrainians should solve their problems themselves? I will remind these comrades that in 1933 there were still both Communists and Social Democrats in Germany. You remember how they solved their problems.

Well, at least in Belarus, the Kremlin did not repeat its Ukrainian mistakes and made the right conclusions. But the question with Ukraine remains open.
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  2. gorenina91 Offline
    gorenina91 (Irina) 11 September 2020 13: 14
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    But even after 6 years, I still did not find an answer to a seemingly simple question, if Putin was able to send troops to Syria at the request of the legally elected President Assad and break the Americans' buzz there, then what he could not send troops to Ukraine at the request the legally elected, then not yet fugitive Ukrainian President Yanukovych?

    - The Russian oligarchy did not allow Putin to send troops to Ukraine (and the very belonging of our guarantor to this oligarchy) ...
    - So it turned out the opposite ... - Russia climbed into worthless poverty-stricken Syria (from where it is now very difficult to get out); but did not enter Ukraine, where it was simply necessary to enter ... - Kharkov, Mariupol, Odessa ... - the whole territory ... this is where Russia should have entered .. - And the entire Azov Sea with all its coast; the entire Black Sea coast; Kryvyi Rih basin ... - the entire territory considered to be Ukrainian and presented to it by Russia (then; when all of Ukraine was part of Russia); the entire territory along the line ... - "Odessa - Poltava - Sumy" would just very easily return under the auspices of Russia ... - without any special problems ...

    Well, at least in Belarus, the Kremlin did not repeat its Ukrainian mistakes and made the right conclusions. But the question with Ukraine remains open.

    - Personally, I did not understand ... - and what kind of Kremlin "made the right conclusions" ??? - Russian troops (under the guise of joint Russian-Belarusian military exercises ... - so they were not introduced to Belarus); although this should have been done long ago ... - Should have been introduced; Russian motorized rifle and armored divisions are deployed on the western borders of Belarus ... - Belarus is a member of the CSTO and there should not be any questions or problems about this ... - and let the Western media squeak and hysterical ... - this is internal affairs of Russia and Belarus ... - That's all
    - But Lo (Lukashenko) still continues to put sticks in his wheels ... - And time goes on ... - And this time plays into the hands of the United States and all its vassals ...
    - And all this will not end well ... - This pack will surely come up with something very slow soon ... - You should not delude yourself with a temporary calm and empty chatter of Lo ...
    1. marciz Offline
      marciz (Stas) 11 September 2020 14: 43
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      Time has already ended with the loss of Ukraine and its 4 nuclear power plants, we are doomed (((
  3. steelmaker Offline
    steelmaker 11 September 2020 13: 48
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    Well, the author can look at things objectively. He wrote what many no longer say, but shout. Only this mistake or crime has a first and last name. And it's not just Putin. But these "mistakes" Putin still surrounds. There was already an article on VO, where Putin already apologizes for his subordinates! It's a shame! The problem of Russian Ukraine is that they do not have Strelkov who could organize resistance to the Nazis. But is someone organizing and financing these same fascists? Why doesn't Russia want to finance the Russian world? Now in Ukraine you can turn everything 180 degrees. Putin only needs to snap a finger! Donbass should have been annexed immediately after the referendum as Crimea. But the fact is that Donbass requires large investments and there is nothing to sell. Putin wants to force Ukraine to rebuild Donbass. Do you yourself believe that? The process of destroying everything Russian in Ukraine has accelerated. And we must stop stating the facts, we must already do something. But as long as Putin is surrounded by "mistakes", it will only get worse!
    1. marciz Offline
      marciz (Stas) 11 September 2020 14: 47
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      There will be no 180, enough to constantly burn, fight. There are no normal leaders in the Russian world, only fools and cowards. After Catherine, only stupid !!!
    2. rotkiv04 Offline
      rotkiv04 (Victor) 11 September 2020 22: 32
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      So Strelkov organized it, but Putin needed Crimea, and Little Russia is not needed, but Strelkov was persecuted and continues to persecute to this day, made a marginal out of him. On the other hand, propagandists like Solovyov have continued to brainwash about the great HSP for 6 years.
  4. Cudgel Offline
    Cudgel (Dubina) 11 September 2020 14: 08
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    Let's start with the fact that there was no Maidan. Don't call white black and vice versa. AG attributed 80% to itself, this angered the Belarusians and protests began, by the way, more than peaceful. But the riot police showed their true, "bestial" face, probably, the policemen of the Second World War would have done the same. But we cannot admit that the riot police began to beat the peaceful, albeit not coordinated action with truncheons, shoot at the windows and, in addition, maim the detainees. Therefore, black should be called white and a peaceful protest called Maidan.
    The protest is not over yet, yes, there are fewer people, but they organize themselves and then no riot police will help.
    The problem was only driven inside, but not for long. Only the AG will now be to blame for the deterioration of the economic situation among the Belarusians, and the deterioration is inevitable. That is, to the political rejection of the AG, economic rejection will also be added.
    The Great Combinator of the Russian Federation could not solve the problem of the absence of intelligible and strong pro-Russian forces in any CIS country, nowhere do we have strong and bright pro-Russian leaders and parties - neither in Belarus, nor in Kazakhstan, nor in Armenia. The sending of their troops or policemen to suppress demonstrations in another country, no matter what verbal chatter this may happen, will only worsen the situation even more. The people of these countries will regard the Russian Federation as an aggressor, which will significantly worsen the attitude towards us, not of politicians, but of the common population. Interference in the internal affairs of Ukraine in 2014 showed this. We have not achieved any distinct successes in eastern Ukraine with our military intervention. But now 86% of Ukrainians consider us aggressors.
    Further, the territories controlled by us, the so-called Russian World, turned into a swamp, walk - a field and a dump (as Strelkov said, and alas, he is right). Now all countries will consider that wherever we come, we will make a cloaca out of a poor territory. For the words "Russian World" now you can get on the face not only on the territory of Ukraine itself, but also in the DPR and LPR, their future was taken away from people.
    There is no "reformatting" of the population in the territory of Donbass and Luhansk region, which is under the control of Kiev - no! The situation and standard of living in the LDNR shows better than any propaganda what awaits ordinary Ukrainians if suddenly pro-Russian forces come to their lands.
    1. 123 Online
      123 (123) 11 September 2020 18: 08
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      Club, where did you get this nonsense? smile
      1. Cudgel Offline
        Cudgel (Dubina) 11 September 2020 18: 28
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        Really nonsense, salaries in the LPR are higher than Ukrainian and Russian ones at times! People are pouring into the LDNR, soon, probably, there will be green cards of the LDNR for everyone, so that Europeans and Americans could move to the LDNR.
        I know six people from there, three women and three men, all now live in the Russian Federation. If three years ago they simply spoke badly about the situation there and considered us guilty of what happened. Now we are simply hated for what we created there. It is not the shooters who are to blame for them, but the Russian Federation. They are forced to live here, but they hate us.
        The Belarusians understand that if the oligarchic RF comes to them, and in general, relatively prosperous Belarus, will drop to the level of Abkhazia, South Ossetia or Transnistria, and if they are not at all lucky, then the LPR will catch up.
        1. 123 Online
          123 (123) 11 September 2020 18: 42
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          Really nonsense, salaries in the LPR are higher than Ukrainian and Russian ones at times! People are pouring into the LDNR, soon, probably, the LDNR green cards will be played for everyone, so that Europeans and Americans could move to the LDNR.

          Is the situation in the western part of the LPNR much better? But no one is shooting people there. Your like-minded people ......... staged a blockade to people, shoot them, kill them, and have the audacity to say that? am
          Is someone playing green cards in your favorite banderostan?

          I know six people from there, three women and three men, all now live in the Russian Federation. If three years ago they simply spoke badly about the situation there and considered us guilty of what happened. Now we are simply hated for what we created there. It is not the shooters who are to blame for them, but the Russian Federation. They are forced to live here, but they hate us.

          And of course, they idolize Turchinov, Poroshenko and other abomination, and they are not blamed for anything. laughing
          Everyone hates you and does the right thing, including me. Just do not impersonate yourself with the Russian people.

          The Belarusians understand that if the oligarchic RF comes to them, and in general, relatively prosperous Belarus, will drop to the level of Abkhazia, South Ossetia or Transnistria, and if they are not at all lucky, then the LPR will catch up.

          Oh, how bad it turned out .... But it could have risen to the level of Ukraine or Moldova. Look, you missed such a chance to turn into a blooming land .. laughing
          "Heroiam" bacon. hi
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            Cudgel (Dubina) 11 September 2020 18: 55
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            They are not my adherents, I just try to be objective. Yes, on the other side of the LDNR people live much better than in the LDNR itself. They have passports that allow them to study and work in Ukraine itself and travel to Europe, albeit to earn money, and maybe to do dirty work, but at least they have such an opportunity. Yes, one of my friends from the DPR works as a cleaner in a nearby building for very little money. In Poland or Germany, she would have been doing this for completely different money and would have been able to buy an apartment upon her return.
            Nobody arranged the blockade of the LDNR, the citizens of these republics freely cross the border with Ukraine in both directions, there is no need to breach so much in a patriotic frenzy. Even the leadership of the LDNR began to blame them for this, that, they say, it is not patriotic to go to those who allegedly shell their houses. Yes, most of the citizens of the LDNR did not refuse the Ukrainian passport. Someone also bought the Russian one, but kept the Ukrainian one as well.
            The APU does not fire residential buildings, it is good to flood. By the way, the other side says that it is the LPR that is shelling their houses. Both sides lie, of course, patriotic propaganda on both sides is the same.
            The average salary in Ukraine is now slightly less than ours, and given the PPP, they (Ukrainians) live better than the Pskov or Vologda hinterland. And in five years, and in general, they will live much better than our province, which is now becoming impoverished at an ever-increasing rate, in contrast to Ukraine, where there is already little progress.
            And, of course, one cannot do without the "officer's daughter". All those who are against the oligarchic regime in the Russian Federation are either numbered, or State Department members, or Ukrainians.
            1. 123 Online
              123 (123) 11 September 2020 19: 36
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              They are not my adherents, I just try to be objective.

              Objective? belay Let's try. yes First, let's figure it out, let's start dancing from the stove. How did the conflict in Ukraine begin?

              Yes, on the other side of the LDNR people live much better than in the LDNR itself. They have passports that allow them to study and work in Ukraine itself and travel to Europe, albeit to earn money, and maybe to do dirty work, but at least they have such an opportunity. Yes, one of my friends from the DPR works as a cleaner in a nearby building for very little money.

              And LDNR they can speak and teach children in their native language. If this doesn't mean anything to you, you can wash the toilets and pick strawberries yourself, maybe you will earn money for an apartment. Cleaning ladies everywhere don't get much. She can get a Russian passport and find any job according to her ability.

              In Poland or Germany, she would have been doing this for completely different money and would have been able to buy an apartment upon her return.

              Are there many of them? Who bought an apartment upon their return?

              Nobody arranged the blockade of the LDNR, the citizens of these republics freely cross the border with Ukraine in both directions, there is no need to breach so much in a patriotic frenzy.

              And what does this creature say? No blockade? Name one active road crossing across the contact line? And you will rub me about nonsense? sad Your forelock has come off. winked



              The APU does not fire residential buildings, it is good to flood. By the way, the other side says that it is the LPR that is shelling their houses. Both sides lie, of course, patriotic propaganda on both sides is the same.

              If borscht is boiling in your saucepan, you don't need to tell people about it, maybe you will pass for normal. sad
              This is from the OSCE report:

              July 21 at n. Kadievka (formerly Stakhanov; non-government-controlled, 50 km west of Luhansk), observers followed up on reports of several civilians who were injured or killed on 20 July in n. Pervomaisk (non-government-controlled, 58 km west of Luhansk). Morgue officials in Kadiyevka told the SMM that the body of a woman (20-50 years old) with shrapnel wounds was brought to them on the evening of 59 July. In front of a nine-storey residential building on st. 40th anniversary of Victory, 11, in Pervomaisk, a man (40–49 years old) told observers that he saw a woman who was his neighbor died from shrapnel wounds received during shelling on the evening of 20 July. The SMM observed small cuts on the man's right arm, which he said had been sustained during the shelling. At the same address, a woman (60-69 years old) told the SMM that she had just returned from the hospital in Kadiyevka, where she was receiving medical attention.

              - in connection with the injuries received on the evening of July 20, when she was near the house.

              https://www.osce.org/ru/special-monitoring-mission-to-ukraine/426293

              The average salary in Ukraine is now slightly less than ours, and given the PPP, they (Ukrainians) live better than the Pskov or Vologda hinterland.

              laughing Inhabitants of the Pskov and Vologda hinterlands cannot be found in Polish fields.

              And in five years, and in general, they will live much better than our province, which is now becoming impoverished at an ever-increasing rate, in contrast to Ukraine, where there is already little progress.

              In the course, we heard already, soon in the morning they will put on lace panties and drink coffee in Vienna on Hyperloop in the morning. And men, women, this does not apply, they already spend the night there, the job is like that.
              Again we eat up the last hedgehogs.yes To whom are these fairy tales? Tea, we don't live in capitals ourselves. Are you going to tell me what's going on in the province? belay

              And, of course, one cannot do without the "officer's daughter". All those who are against the oligarchic regime in the Russian Federation are either numbered, or State Department members, or Ukrainians.

              Unfortunately, there is no way without it. Site policy, obscene words are not allowed. And so I would speak from the bottom of my heart. yes
        2. rotkiv04 Offline
          rotkiv04 (Victor) 11 September 2020 22: 34
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          Sometimes a nickname justifies its owner, and in your case 100%.
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  5. marciz Offline
    marciz (Stas) 11 September 2020 14: 23
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    So Yanyk's snot, Putin himself, at the behest of the State Department, asked not to disperse the Maidan !!!!
    1. Valentine Offline
      Valentine (Valentin) 11 September 2020 19: 36
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      You would urgently see a psychiatrist ...
      1. marciz Offline
        marciz (Stas) 12 September 2020 11: 15
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        Watch the film by Solovyov - a Jew about Putin, stupidity, well ... well, what can you get from you !!
  6. 123 Online
    123 (123) 11 September 2020 15: 07
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    Putin owes nothing to anyone, he is the President of the Russian Federation, not the acting Secretary General of the Communist Party of the USSR or the Emperor of All Russia. He is an official with clearly defined legislation, powers and responsibilities.
    Why, for example, is Lukashenka not to blame for what happened in Ukraine? Not to mention what's going on at his house.
    Year after year, the inhabitants of Ukraine calmly watched how Russian schools were closed, voted and supported those who never made Russian the state language. They were embarrassed to call themselves Russians, by the way, the latter also applies to Belarus, the slogan at the rallies "For the Slavs" is very indicative. Where are the Russian residents of Belarus? Everyone runs around in embroidered shirts, everyone is terribly independent and self-reliant.
    And when a snow-white fluffy Siberian animal comes, it suddenly turns out that everyone speaks Russian and Russia and Putin personally are to blame for everything.
    If anything, we still have no one telling anyone - a suitcase, a train station (insert the necessary).



    Do you have residents of the former USSR?
    1. Observer2014 Online
      Observer2014 11 September 2020 22: 00
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      Quote: 123
      Putin owes nothing to anyone, he is the President of the Russian Federation, not the acting Secretary General of the Communist Party of the USSR or the Emperor of All Russia. He is an official with clearly defined legislation, powers and responsibilities.
      Why, for example, is Lukashenka not to blame for what happened in Ukraine? Not to mention what's going on at his house.
      Year after year, the inhabitants of Ukraine calmly watched how Russian schools were closed, voted and supported those who never made Russian the state language. They were embarrassed to call themselves Russians, by the way, the latter also applies to Belarus, the slogan at the rallies "For the Slavs" is very indicative. Where are the Russian residents of Belarus? Everyone runs around in embroidered shirts, everyone is terribly independent and self-reliant.
      And when a snow-white fluffy Siberian animal comes, it suddenly turns out that everyone speaks Russian and Russia and Putin personally are to blame for everything.
      If anything, we still have no one telling anyone - a suitcase, a train station.



      Do you have residents of the former USSR?

      To take you personally and to relocate with your family from a cozy apartment near Moscow or wherever you live in the outskirts of the former USSR. I wish I laughed at you, as if you curled like a snake. As if the people were raised to exploits. You talk about all sorts of garbage about the inhabitants of Ukraine and how calm they were there and what they looked at.

      If anything, we still have no one telling anyone - a suitcase, a train station.

      So I'm telling you this straight to your forehead. I took my suitcase and went to the outskirts. In order to raise the Russians who remained there by personal example for feats of arms. Don't be afraid. We will be waiting for you with victory. I also found Che Guevara. Pray better to the Lord God that during the collapse of the USSR in Russia he accidentally remained to live, and not by distribution to the outskirts of all sorts.
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        Marzhecki (Sergei) 15 September 2020 07: 58
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        Quote: Observer2014
        To take you personally and to relocate with your family from a cozy apartment near Moscow or wherever you live in the outskirts of the former USSR. I wish I laughed at you, as if you curled like a snake. As if the people were raised to exploits. You talk about all sorts of garbage about the inhabitants of Ukraine and how calm they were there and what they looked at.

        As far as I understand, Mr. 123 sits in a comfortable office in the vertical of power, most likely with shoulder straps on his shoulders, and is very afraid of losing his place.
    2. marciz Offline
      marciz (Stas) 12 September 2020 11: 23
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      123, well then, don't talk about fraternal peoples or one people, they shouldn't do anything, well, OK !!!! If anything, fight on your territory and don't bother with your myth about the liberation of fraternal peoples !!! And let your tolerant FSB spread rot on you for your comments, simultaneously selling the country to Muslims !!!! Traitors !!!
      1. 123 Online
        123 (123) 12 September 2020 12: 14
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        123, well then, don't talk about fraternal peoples or one people, they shouldn't do anything, well, OK !!!! If anything, fight on your territory and don't bother with your myth about the liberation of fraternal peoples !!! And let your tolerant FSB spread rot on you for your comments, simultaneously selling the country to Muslims !!!! Traitors !!!

        Fraternal peoples or one people and Putin are not the same thing.
        Again, Putin is an official with certain responsibilities and powers. When he is required to do something that is clearly beyond his competence, for example, to put things in order in Ukraine or Belarus, thereby they recognize him as an extraordinary politician and leader of the post-Soviet space, as well as the leading role of Russia as a state. It's funny that at the same time the same people keep repeating that Putin destroyed the country, oligarchs rule everyone, the country is getting poorer, everywhere is better than ours, and so on.
        Fraternal peoples or one people are somewhat different. In this case, I am talking about the fact that the Russians and "fraternal peoples" who have remained outside the Russian Federation should not forget about it, be ashamed to talk about it. And not remember only when there were problems.
        As for the FSB, it is "spread rot" not for comments, but for inciting ethnic hatred, calls for violence, illegal actions, and so on. I'm glad that you are hot laughing means they are working in the right direction. good
        Muslims have lived with us in the same country for centuries, where did you get these nonsense?
        Your rather strange statements that the country is being sold to them speaks of your intention to sow enmity on sectarian grounds. I hope you will be incontinent in your speeches and the FSB will eventually be interested in you. smile I was taught to respect my own and others' religion. It is a pity that nobody explained such things to you in childhood. By the way, why should they? No other candidate? But what about the Chinese?
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          marciz (Stas) 12 September 2020 21: 29
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          Well, that's why I say, we must forget the fairy tales about one people !!! So that from now on they do not expect any freebies from you either in Ukraine or in any other republic, as you and others like you say. For me personally, brothers, but for my republic and millions of Ukrainians, alas, they are no longer brothers, so-so !!! The Russian-speaking topic is not relevant when English is all over the world and even in Russia itself !!!!
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            123 (123) 12 September 2020 21: 38
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            Well, that's why I say we must forget the fairy tales about one people !!!

            We forgot to ask you. winked Trying in vain. A little time will pass and people like you will start driving shafts all over Ukraine. And Canada is not rubber, at best you will have to sit in a cache. And everyone will remember you.

            So that from now on they do not expect either in Ukraine or in any other republic, as you and others like you say, freebies from you

            Freebies really should not be expected. Get out of the habit.

            For me personally, brothers, but for my republic and millions of Ukrainians, alas, they are no longer brothers, so-so !!!

            Who are you to speak for millions of Ukrainians? And the Svidomites are not brothers to us, we should not stuff ourselves. sad

            The Russian-speaking topic is not relevant when English is all over the world and even in Russia itself !!!!

            And why don't you write in English language? How tired of your farm style to carry all sorts of nonsense. Good night. Heroic lard!
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              "So-so-like brothers" have done with their idea !!!))) You bring your citizens to the surprise of your actions, what can we say about other countries !?
  7. It is, of course, Tomahawks near Smolensk - a shame! But after all, RUSSIANS live in Vitebsk, Mogilev and Gomel regions, and if these three regions are chopped off, there will be no problems!
  8. Valentine Offline
    Valentine (Valentin) 11 September 2020 20: 17
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    The article is very revealing in terms of the whole situation in Ukraine, but I don't know who to ask about what our unfinished ambassadors were doing there, accordionist Chernomyrdin, and pharmacist Zurabov, when during their service as ambassadors of Russia in Kiev, Ukraine was already rolling non-stop to the wildest cave nationalism, which began from the first days of its "independence" during the reign of the first president of the Independence, the second secretary of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of Ukraine L. Kravchuk, and Russia did not lift a finger to stop this whole orgy, when back in 1989 Ukrainian nationalists called for every word , spoken in Russian, chop off on the finger, and you run out of fingers - chop off hands and feet ..... Yes, the war with Ukraine, at the suggestion of Washington, is not far off, and the longer our leadership plays in silence, the more blood will be spilled our people ...... Let's wait what our "Guarantor" will say on September 22 at the UN Security Council, or again shyly bypass this topic, but we have a sea of ​​military analysts, political scientists and general staff officers, and we are again on the verge of the third world war ..... And for the article, Vladimir, thank you, but ..... the lower classes cannot, and the upper classes do not want to prevent what will inevitably happen.
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      marciz (Stas) 12 September 2020 11: 25
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      You yourself have a traitor in the Kremlin, and you roll a barrel at us !!!
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        Valentine (Valentin) 12 September 2020 15: 57
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        Then explain to me, Stas, you got rid of one swindler Yanukovych, and put another thief, a crook and a Jew Poroshenko, then he was replaced by a jester, a gayer and also a Jew Zelensky. And what, you, Ukrainians, life has become better than under Yanukovych, when there was no war, the economy was working normally, salaries and pensions were paid on time ?????
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          marciz (Stas) 12 September 2020 21: 35
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          I voted for this Yanyk, fought for him with higher-ranking officers, and he let us all down. I thought he was pro-Russian, and he snapped seeds with Putin together (as I watch this video, I go nuts)))) Nobody cooked us, unlike the Natsiks and Maydauns. We trusted him and the authorities, and we have been taught so since the times of the USSR !!! But as it turned out, now you can come to power even with a bucket, if only the State Department supported you !! ((
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    ATC (vladimir krukin) 11 September 2020 23: 37
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    Moldova, Georgia, Ukraine are countries that have territorial conflicts. The concept of countries with conflicts not accepted into NATO is rather weak. Such a half-hearted policy did not lead to good, only a cardinal solution could solve many problems, but the sanctions were received anyway. The Americans have already seen Saakashvili hanged and occupied Georgia, but we backed up. It was necessary to occupy the Russian-speaking regions of Ukraine and there would be no problems now, but we backed up and abandoned the Russians in Ukraine. There is no pro-Russian movement in Belarus, we will get problems again, and the West does not forgive weakness. With Belarus, everything is somehow indistinct.
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    Elena Ushkova (Elena Ushkova) 12 September 2020 00: 32
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    Putin and Russia have no sad experience with Ukraine. In Ukraine, both then and now, a half-hostile country into which it was useless to climb, they would have become even more embittered - they were not allowed to go to Europe. Why do we need such people with a knife behind our backs? In Belarus, with the exception of a maximum of 100 thousand not very smart people, the people are more consolidated and not inclined towards Russia as Russophobic. Found fool Putin.
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    Volga073 (MIKLE) 12 September 2020 05: 50
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    Correct article of a smart person.
    1. Leonid Solomatin (Leonid Solomatin) 12 September 2020 07: 17
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      Nothing of the kind, an attempt to shift the responsibility for the Maidan onto Putin, they say, he did not stop the process, which, in truth, was historically predetermined.
  12. Leonid Solomatin (Leonid Solomatin) 12 September 2020 07: 11
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    There was nothing to do with Ukraine, not only crazy youngsters, but also the older generation crawled out in the pots. This gangrenous limb could only be amputated, it's a pity, of course, but time was lost in the post-perestroika years, when RUKH leaflets were on all the fences of Ukraine with the appeal - "Stop feeding the Muscovites!"
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    polev66 (Alexander) 12 September 2020 09: 05
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    Ay, the author - what do we care about the khataskrains? Enough here with the Russian world on the outskirts to hide behind, he is not there. 1991 showed when they all voted for independence with the whole herd. 84% stoned ukrov. Crimea alone gave 57% for, the rest of the regions 70-90%. This is now, when they have an economy in ...., they sharply remembered their former friendship.
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      Bitter (Gleb) 12 September 2020 22: 47
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      ... to hide behind the Russian world on the outskirts, he is not there. 1991 showed ...

      1991 showed a lot in the person of Mr. Yeltsin. good
      Maybe you are right that the Russian Russian world is there for a couple of hundred thousand people in the outskirts? Well, they didn't fit in, that's all. request
      So, let yourself, yourself, somehow.
      Crimea is strategically important, and the rest of the Russian brotherhood somehow "did not deserve" a cover.
      With Belarus, of course, the situation is somewhat different, since she is practically the last stronghold in the West and money, and there will probably be enough other nishtyaks for her, despite the screams of some fighters against "brothers" and "freebies".
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    Marshal Zhukov (Marshal Zhukov) 12 September 2020 10: 00
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    There is only one reason and this is Crimea, otherwise it would be impossible to squeeze it out. Although it was possible, it was dangerous. Donbass is a continuation of the scenario. Dill are unreliable and they had to be punished in order to live and come to their senses. And for the edification of the rest. And guessing can be long and tedious. Only Putin knows the reason. This is his first move. Yes, and Belarus, it seems, is also from this plan. Lukashenka's survival before the elections with oil is possible, which is also from this series. Well, guessing and guessing is endless.
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    gorenina91 (Irina) 12 September 2020 10: 19
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    Putin and Russia have no sad experience with Ukraine. In Ukraine, both then and now, a half-hostile country into which it was useless to climb, they would have become even more embittered - they were not allowed to go to Europe. Why do we need such people with a knife behind our backs?

    - Ha ... - That's it ... - half of Ukraine immediately ... - both numerically and territorially would voluntarily return to Russia ... - Would return without any problems ...

    - I emphasize ... - would return to Russia ... - and not "become" part of Russia ... - And the entire Black Sea coast would return to Russia and half of the territory donated to this Ukraine ... - would also voluntarily return to Russia ... - And no one would now ... - neither children, nor students, and adults themselves; who would return to Russia ...
    - And none of them today would have been forced on pain of death ..., today forcibly forced ... - to study this rural "locality" ...; which is called a language ... - The entire asset and high-ranking personalities in Ukraine ... - have not yet mastered ... this "so-called language" ... - And the "great president of Ukraine" himself has not mastered him too ... - Yes, and "imported journalists" and workers of foreign media ... - still prefer to communicate in Russian ... - and then they are translated from this "MOVA" ... - into Russian .. - One can only imagine ... what a catastrophe the Banderite government is deliberately driving its population into today; introducing "universal movu" and closing Russian schools and other educational institutions ... - it simply lowers its population to the level of villagers and farmers .... - And then what ??? - They have not yet begun to burn books and entire collections of libraries written in Russian on the squares in Ukraine ... - Well ... - this will be the next step ... - This is not far off ... - I see. .. - how does this end ... - there are already examples of this in history ...
    -Only then these "ukrainians" will only scratch their turnips and pumpkins and mumble: "Who knew; how it will turn out like this ..." ...
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      marciz (Stas) 12 September 2020 11: 31
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      The only commentator whose comments are worth reading !!!
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    Semens (Semen) 14 September 2020 23: 07
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    It was not only Putin's miscalculation, it was also meanness in relation to at least the entire Donbass ...
    The decision of the Supreme Council to allow the use of the Armed Forces shocked the people of Donbass, the pro-Russian demonstrations in Dnepropetrovsk were colossal in scale ... people were sure that Russia would not leave them ...
    But Putin is not the only one who makes decisions ... Among his advisors, there are enough pro-Western-minded individuals who will one day gladly lather a rope for him ...
    For not taking Mariupol, who of the advisers was brought a suitcase with grandmas? How else to explain the command to retreat from Mariupol?
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      marciz (Stas) 15 September 2020 06: 17
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      So Surkov bastryuk Dudaevsky still avenged his dad !!!!