Belarus crisis: Putin has once again met the worst expectations of his enemies


Belarusian is nearing its end political a crisis. Some intermediate results can already be summed up. Putin again justified the worst expectations of his enemies, showing himself to be a mature master of political aikido, who himself does not hit first, but masterfully uses all the mistakes of the enemy. No wonder he was nicknamed the master of asymmetric responses, for which he uses, according to the canons of aikido, the inertia of the enemy, turning it to his own good. Putin has truly become a nightmare for his political opponents, proving to them every time that all his subsequent proposals are worse than the previous ones, it is better to agree immediately. This time, dad realized it on his own skin.


For some reason Lukashenko did not take into account the sad experience of the 44th President of America, who promised to break the economy RF to shreds, and as a result tore his pants below the waist in Ukraine, which as a result lost Crimea and Donbass, and in Syria. Now Obama, sitting in retirement, recalls with horror the hour when he sat down at the wheel of his vacuum cleaner and decided to compete in deceit with the Genius of Villainy. He did not succeed with the Turkish military coup, after which he also lost his ally there. It is not a fact that the Russian Federation acquired one, Turkey is a very unreliable partner, but the sultan still recalls the downed Russian bomber and the killed Russian ambassador to Ankara. Erdogan did not get off with tomatoes then, but I would not exaggerate our winnings either - Turkey will try to betray us more than once. Having friends like her doesn't need enemies.

However, mother history teaches us only that it teaches nothing. This was confirmed by our beloved Donald Ibrahimovich, walking through the rake of his predecessor - both in Venezuela with an unsuccessful attempt to remove the legally elected president, and in Iran with an attempt to impose further sanctions on him, after which he, relying on the support of the Russian Federation, resumed his nuclear program.

And here again Putin proves to the whole world that there is no need to play cat and mouse with him. This time in Belarus, where Lukashenka turned out to be the injured party, who, having tried to blackmail Russia, as a result outwitted himself, and is now forced to agree to much worse conditions than he was offered before. On a tangent, the Polish-Lithuanian jackals will also hit the nuts, who, without the permission of the main shareholders of the Closed Political Club of the Powerful of this World, climbed to play adult games, and now they will experience all the delights of zeroing transit through Belarus, and this is just the beginning.

What happened in Belarus after all? It may not be obvious to everyone, but the following happened - as a result of all recent events, the Republic of Belarus has de facto lost its subjectivity, becoming an object of international law. Maybe not everyone noticed this, but for the newly elected President of the Republic of Belarus, the President of the Russian Federation had to settle her affairs on the outer perimeter with the tacit consent of the newly elected guarantor Sineoka. And how else to assess the fact that the father ignored all the calls to him from the powers that be, from the Chancellor of Germany to the President of France? It is clear that not from a good life. On the other hand, what could he tell them? Do not meddle with your advice in the internal affairs of a sovereign state? And finish with the next sanctions against the Republic of Belarus and him personally? Such words would have sounded much more convincing from Vladimir Putin. And they sounded, only from a position of strength. He doesn't need to prove his legitimacy to anyone. And Lukashenka is needed! As a result, dad was forced to delegate the authority to negotiate the fate of the Republic of Belarus with external actors to Vladimir Vladimirovich and agree to all the Kremlin's proposals, which he had previously rejected, only this time on much worse conditions. And that's all he won, or rather lost. The Republic of Belarus has de facto turned from a subject of international law into an object of it with all the ensuing consequences. Here one can only recall the words of Donald the Invincible: “They didn’t want to do it in a bad way, it would be worse in an amicable way!”.

RB will be able to regain its subjectivity only in two cases. Or by replacing the president in the West's favor. This option is not even considered, given who is now in charge of the affairs of Belarus. By the way, a president pleasing to the West does not at all mean the return of lost subjectivity. Those who do not believe can look at the sad experience of Ukraine, which now even cannot go to the toilet without asking permission from the United States and the IMF. The second option for returning subjectivity is to acquire it in a new status, for example, as part of the Union State. I do not know if this option will suit the Belarusians, but there is no third option. The old man can no longer sit on two chairs. All bridges have been burned and degrees of freedom have been lost. There is no more play to maneuver. Now he is the legally elected president only for a very limited circle of countries, however, including Turkey and China, and for the rest he is the last dictator of Europe, a face not shaking hands, with a defeat in his rights. You can live, of course, and so, only for a very short time.

Meanwhile, the sent Cossack of Putin in the bowels of the Russian government continues his work


And to make it easier for the daddy to think, the Russian Federation is already taking a number of steps that complicate this life for him. As I already said earlier, RF transfers all former allies to self-sufficiency. Good or bad, we will not discuss here, only recently the Kremlin has been trying to turn Maslow's pyramid upside down, and now it does not undertake to pay extra to allies for loyalty, but a potential ally must still earn its right to be under military-political and economic the umbrella of the Russian Federation (usually this issue is resolved in monetary terms due to the negative balance in the trade and balance of payments).

As I already said, dad was good to everyone as the director of the Republic of Belarus. And it is not his fault that the director of the Russian Federation at some point in time began to be guided by somewhat different criteria of benefit-benefit, where the economic factor outweighed the geopolitical one. You and I may not even agree with this, but we are not given to know all the circumstances of the case. We just fix it for granted and move on. I would like to believe that the Kremlin has taken into account all the possible pros and cons. The one who pays is known to be the girl and the dancer. And it is not the Kremlin's fault that the Belarusian girl was caught "reconciled", all the time she looked to the left. And it is at this very moment that Putin is trying not to miss the chance that has turned up so well (and given by the dad himself!) To turn Belarus once and for all to the east.

So that you understand my train of thought, I will simply quote a document that appeared in the bowels of the Cabinet of Ministers of the Russian Federation:

“At the end of August, the Ministry of Finance submitted a resolution“ On approval of the procedure for the provision of government loans by the Russian Federation to foreign borrowing countries ”, which laid down the principle of economic expediency of issuing borrowed funds. According to this document, Armenia, Belarus, Venezuela and Cuba will not be able to receive loans under the new principles.

The Telegram channel "Nezygar" writes about this.

I would like to draw your attention to the time of the appearance of this document - the end of August, the very height of the war for the Republic of Belarus. So far, this is only a draft document, leaked by "Nezygar". But, as you know, there is no smoke without fire. Therefore, for those who did not understand, I will explain what the essence of the matter is. In fact, a new struggle for financial flows is unfolding in the government. Have you forgotten who Putin put in there to pursue a tough monetarist policy? To whom did all the regular liberals in the service of the sovereign objected so unanimously? That's right, against the adviser to the GDP Andrei Belousov. But Putin insisted, and the process began. Further I quote all the same edition:

“First Deputy Prime Minister Andrei Belousov, through the Ministry of Finance, presented an updated procedure for the issuance of state loans by Russia to foreign states. On the surface, the just refusal of the financial authorities to give money without economic expediency to such states as Venezuela, Cuba or Belarus. But at a deeper level, Belousov's project is directed against the Ministry of Finance's monopoly right to dispose of Russia's foreign debts, and to individual officials and politicians who control the financial department, receive millions of dollars for their political goals.

The second part of the document does not concern us, there is a war going on over the remnants of the USSR's debts, which the Russian Federation inherited. The loans that the USSR gave to third countries (mainly developing countries following the path of building socialism) totaling about $ 148 billion, most of which have already been written off at a colossal discount, and, through some kind of left-handed gaskets, affiliated with some former officials in the highest apparatus of the Ministry of Finance and the Government of the Russian Federation (the names of Yegor Gaidar, Pyotr Aven and Anatoly Chubais appeared there). It got to the point that these figures assigned our debts to fourth countries for ridiculous interest, but with a benefit for themselves (moreover, these debts, according to the international classification, belonged to the 1st class of liquidity, since they were secured by state assets of the debtor countries). Belousov decided to put an edge to all this chaos.

But the second part does not really interest us (it deals with the debts of the USSR), but the first part of the document is a funeral march for the father. Belousov is quietly implementing Putin's policy of transferring allies to a new economic format of relations. A kind of NEP for the allies. Loyalty money ran out. Now money is only in exchange for something. In the context of Belarus, which became clear already during the current visit of the Prime Minister of the Russian government to Minsk. As a result of which Mishustin stated that

progress has been made on many issues on the Russian-Belarusian agenda, including the future of the Union State.

End of quote. Carcass! Shine! The curtain! And do not be confused by the restructuring promised by Putin of 1 billion dollars of debt out of 8, which Belarus owes the Russian Federation. This is, in order to sweeten the bitter pill for the dad, the debt is not written off, but simply restructured to pay off. When the Republic of Belarus becomes part of the Union State, maybe they will forgive.

This is how Lukashenko joined the list of wrestlers who lost on the political tatami to our master of aikido. And who will now accuse Putin of short-sightedness? Step on the mat yourself against Putin.
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  1. Sergey Latyshev Offline
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 8 September 2020 08: 48
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    O great aikidist! (Although he is a judoka, but so much praised) Sits by the river, and waits for the enemy's corpse to swim ...
    33 chop officers have already swum, alive, however, but the pawns have won back, no one will now remember the beatings ...
    Earlier, Erdogan was accused of terrorism and the murder of pilots, concerns about gasoline, 2000 Armata tanks, Strategy 2010, Strategy 2020, Pension reform and the Roscosmos trampoline ...
    1. Volkonsky Offline
      Volkonsky (Vladimir) 8 September 2020 16: 58
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      Actually, Putin was engaged in sambo. The school was called "Sambo-70". Sambo is translated as self-defense without weapons, a synthetic type of wrestling that has absorbed several types of already existing other types of martial arts, including judo. This time! And regarding the beatings of the Chopovites, I am waiting for confirmation and links. Otherwise, idle chatter ..
      1. A.Lex Offline
        A.Lex (Secret information) 8 September 2020 21: 06
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        The wolf, as always, is beautiful!
      2. Sergey Latyshev Offline
        Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 8 September 2020 22: 31
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        Wah! what an expert you are !!!! Unusual!!!! Although sambists are judokas. Since there is no SAMBO abroad, but it is necessary to perform. (In Japan, with young athletes, for example.)
        Google: Judo. Achievements: master of sports, 8th dan


        And links - if needed - you will find.
        I met 2 interviews, in both of them beatings, in one of them they also jumped on the CHOPovets.
        But ... the pawns won back ..
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      3. demo Offline
        demo (Van) 9 September 2020 10: 30
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        Author.
        All your reasoning would have been received with a bang if we, Russia, were an independent country.
        When in a country 80% of financial capital and 70% of industry belong to citizens of foreign countries, then all your philosophizing is not worth a dime.
        Putin and his associates are inherently appointees of the occupation government.
        And what could be counted as a victory turns into a defeat. Think carefully about the numbers. The owner determines not only the policy of the enterprise.
        But also the politics of the city, region, country.
        All. You don't have to strain. Or you don't know, which is excusable. Or do you know that then it has a different shade of conscience.
        For example, KrAZ (Krasnoyarsk Aluminum Smelter) is 98% owned by the American Ministry of Finance.
        Do you want a link?

        https://bankir.ru/publikacii/20070619/vasilii-simchera-lykavi-ne-cifri-lykavi-ludi-1368876/
        https://izborsk-club.ru/17234
        https://izborsk-club.ru/14653
        https://izborsk-club.ru/14475



        http://www.dynacon.ru/content/articles_idk/1167/
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    3. Morgan Offline
      Morgan (Miron) 8 September 2020 20: 23
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      I gave you a "+" for a sober mind, it is now in short supply.

      showing himself as a mature master of political aikido

      - that's it, you don't have to read further! It's more like schizophrenia.
    4. businessv Offline
      businessv (Vadim) 9 September 2020 00: 17
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      Quote: Sergey Latyshev
      Earlier, Erdogan was accused of terrorism and the murder of pilots, concerns about gasoline, 2000 Armata tanks, Strategy 2010, Strategy 2020, Pension reform and the Roscosmos trampoline ...

      Forgot to reveal the meaning of your post, dear! Such acceleration was typed, I thought everything, now zhahnite! Instead of dots, please write what you wanted to say !?
    5. Rashid116 Offline
      Rashid116 (Rashid) 9 September 2020 19: 35
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      There is nothing you do not understand. And in general you are coming out-liberast and a bad person))). Long and prolonged applause, comrades)))
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  2. kartalovkolya Offline
    kartalovkolya 8 September 2020 08: 52
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    Delirium and nothing more. Praise be to Putin, but in reality an attempt is veiled to shift the responsibility for the Belarusian mess onto Russia and personally to V.V. Putin. Who do you work for and where is your parachute?
    1. Volkonsky Offline
      Volkonsky (Vladimir) 8 September 2020 17: 03
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      Do you have problems with the perception of printed text or vision? If with the latter, then it's not for me, but for the optometrist. If with the first, then to a psychiatrist. Please quote, if possible, where the criticism of the GDP and the RF is hidden.
    2. Alles-51 Offline
      Alles-51 (Alexander) 9 September 2020 00: 19
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      kartalovkolya! You judge from the side! And someone is spinning you ... ooy more complete (and, therefore, more objective) information overlaps. The side judges, of whom there will be at least four, have no access to an objective assessment ... So before you sarcastically look at the situation from above. And, most importantly, let's wait with the estimates until the end of the round.
  3. Olegek Offline
    Olegek (Oleg) 8 September 2020 11: 32
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    ⚡️Belarusian special forces are fighting in Turkish proxies in Syria against Kurds, CAA and RF⚡️

    As it became known to the @wargonzo project from sources on the Syrian front line (namely, from the Russian military performing special tasks to combat illegal armed groups in the immediate vicinity of the demilitarized zone) - as part of Turkish proxies, that is, separate detachments of the FSA and other groups affiliated with the Turkish special services , Belarusian specialists are also “working”.

  4. Cyril Offline
    Cyril (Kirill) 8 September 2020 12: 14
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    End of quote. Carcass! Shine! The curtain! And do not be confused by the restructuring promised by Putin of 1 billion dollars of debt out of 8, which Belarus owes the Russian Federation.

    The whole point of this article :)
    1. Volkonsky Offline
      Volkonsky (Vladimir) 8 September 2020 17: 14
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      Is that all you've learned? I sympathize!
      1. Cyril Offline
        Cyril (Kirill) 8 September 2020 17: 33
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        No, that's what you could express in it. I don’t sympathize.
        1. Volkonsky Offline
          Volkonsky (Vladimir) 8 September 2020 18: 01
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          I see there are readers with problems of perception of the printed text. Try reading again. You can use the syllables.
          1. Cyril Offline
            Cyril (Kirill) 8 September 2020 18: 14
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            Yeah, it has become more and more difficult to perceive the texts of the authors on the Reporter due to their low quality.
            1. Volkonsky Offline
              Volkonsky (Vladimir) 8 September 2020 18: 26
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              Read the ABC book, there is less bukoff! And there are pictures for the dull ones.
              1. Cyril Offline
                Cyril (Kirill) 8 September 2020 18: 34
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                There are really fewer letters in the primer, but the quality of the content and useful information is greater. Muchooooo. It will take you a long time to grow up to the level of a primer.
                1. A.Lex Offline
                  A.Lex (Secret information) 8 September 2020 21: 11
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                  laughing laughing laughing Thank you Kirill, you made me laugh! If the primer is more meaningful for you (in the sense of information on the RB problem) than the articles of the "Reporter", laughing laughing laughing that hi
                  ......................And still - wassat wassat laughing laughing laughing
          2. Rashid116 Offline
            Rashid116 (Rashid) 9 September 2020 08: 21
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            I, too, can safely "brand". I, so generally saw a hurray-patriotic delirium. You have Putin as a kind of "multi-move superman". Whole Belarusians won))). And also Cuba and Venezuela. And in his country he cannot deal with all sorts of corrupt cops and embezzlers. Not the first decade, by the way. In short, into the furnace.
  5. Cudgel Offline
    Cudgel (Dubina) 8 September 2020 14: 01
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    The genius of multi-moves, the master of the game with closed eyes, the nullifier of all things! He lost Ukraine forever, instead of Ukraine he took the worthless, unprofitable Crimea and, most likely, Donbass and Lugansk will have to be taken for the maintenance, with the prospect of dragging these dying regions to the end of the century. Obama is a very humane person, he did not finish off Russia, he limited himself to mild sanctions, from which we have not been able to recover for the seventh year, if he wanted to, then he brought Putin to his knees.
    It seems that such little articles are printed in the AP, all round failures, 90 euros, and then bam - a multi-move.
    Yes, Belarus is also lost, Lukashenka will fight back now, but in the near future, he (Lukashenka) will be thrown out of power.
    So, what's in the asset: The loss of Ukraine, the imminent loss of Belarus, the crisis in the economy, with no prospects of getting out of it, and further degradation of the country, up to its collapse. This is a Breakthrough, Gentlemen!
    1. Volkonsky Offline
      Volkonsky (Vladimir) 8 September 2020 17: 10
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      Crimea was not taken because of its profitability, I hope, at least you understand that? Crimea is the base of the Black Sea Fleet, an unsinkable aircraft carrier, pushed into the Black Sea, allowing control of the perimeter from the Urals to North Africa and the Middle East. Ukraine was lost, yes! There is a war for Belarus and so far we are winning it. Luke will leave, of course. But on our terms.
      1. Cudgel Offline
        Cudgel (Dubina) 8 September 2020 18: 07
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        No, I don't understand that. The fleet located in the Black Sea (WW) does not represent any operational value and will be all sunk in two hours, both for NATO and for us. NATO ships simply will not enter the water area of ​​the World Cup, and we will not leave it. A lot of the Black Sea Fleet fought in the Patriotic ??? The fact that now ships from the Black Sea are participating in some kind of hostilities, there are not many of them involved, and many are not needed. Turks and / or NATO will block the Bosphorus with mines and hello. Novorossiysk would be quite enough for the dwarf Black Sea Fleet, which is noticeably inferior to the Turkish one.
        What prevents the bases from the Rostov Region or from the Novorossiysk region from "controlling the perimeter ..."?
        We did not win the war for Belarus, we have already lost it. Against AG it was 80%, now it is more and they are angrier. Well, you can pull the time, Belarus is still ours, but alas, before the events in Minsk (as once in Ukraine, before the annexation of Crimea and direct hostilities with the Ukrainian army), we still had supporters in Belarus, now there are almost none, except security officials, who, by the way, as soon as they smell fried (not all of them, of course), will go over.
        1. Volkonsky Offline
          Volkonsky (Vladimir) 8 September 2020 18: 24
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          https://topcor.ru/16181-promezhutochnye-itogi-belorusskogo-majdana-za-chto-idet-borba-v-minske.html

          - I disagree with the assessment of the situation in Belarus, read this.
          I partially agree with the Black Sea Fleet, but not a single fleet, a new grouping of air defense and strategic missile forces is now deployed there, and the ships of the Black Sea Fleet are now successfully solving tasks in the SAR and in the Middle East region, and no Turkey has prevented them, which is now an ally with the Russian Federation. But unreliable.
          Nobody dares to drown the Black Sea Fleet, this is a casus belli, I hope, understand?
          1. Cudgel Offline
            Cudgel (Dubina) 8 September 2020 18: 36
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            In Ukraine, too, it was for us, at least 50-60%. So far, the genius geopolitician of our time has not ruined everything. Everything is repeated in Belarus. We have several Belarusians at work, they, of course, are not an indicator, due to their age, they are under 30. But they honestly convey the mood from Minsk and Gomel (they are from these cities), both their parents and friends and acquaintances. It’s bad there for us and every day it’s getting worse, despite the brave reports - the Maidan is suppressed, hurray!
            There is air defense in the Crimea, I don’t know how stable it is, the Strategic Missile Forces are not there! In fact, the Black Sea Fleet does not solve problems in Syria, they are solved by supply vessels, which do not have to be military vessels. The fact that several cruise missiles were launched from ships is PR, from an airplane it is cheaper, and even cheaper with bombs, because there is no need to bypass air defense. and therefore cruise missiles are not needed.
            Turkey did not interfere, but could. Uh-huh, for the downed Su-24 plane, also say so that all the Turks are now kapets! And got off with tomatoes. The Turks simply will not let our ships pass, and we will, as always, go to bed.
            And then we talk about a regional war, we and Turkey or we and Romania. Then nuclear weapons will not be used, and they are very successful, with American cruise missiles, and the Turks will sink their missiles of the Black Sea Fleet, however, like us, if they do not leave for the Mediterranean.
            But we will have nowhere to leave the World Cup.
            1. Volkonsky Offline
              Volkonsky (Vladimir) 8 September 2020 18: 51
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              I accept the criticism of VVP, I agree in part, tomorrow or the day after tomorrow there will be an article on this topic. I call it "Working on mistakes. Learning from the Maidans". Wait, we'll talk there. It will be more polemical than this one.
              On the assessment of the actions of the Black Sea Fleet in the SAR, I do not agree. Our new diesel-electric submarines and the latest light frigates of project 11356, assigned to the Black Sea Fleet, were working there, all with Caliber on board. We worked perfectly! I already wrote about this.
              A missile defense group is deployed in Crimea, it belongs to the Strategic Missile Forces.
              1. Cudgel Offline
                Cudgel (Dubina) 8 September 2020 19: 34
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                Yes, the discussion flares up somehow weakly here, but the article, to be honest, is just a stupid agitation. By article and discussion.
                I did not know about missile defense in Crimea. But it seems to be like the A-135 missile defense system around Moscow, that is, the "Strategic missile defense". S-400 refers to tactical missile defense.
                For reasons of the CD, the mass of the warhead is 250-400 kg. Cost $ 1 million
                The mass of the F-18 bombs is 7000 kg. The cost of a flight hour, well, let's say $ 45.
                What were the targets in Syria, that they could not be destroyed by the Su-25 or Su-34, but it was necessary to attract cruise missiles from ships.
                There were also projects to abandon the aircraft carrier and instead a semi-submerged barge with 500 KR. But they calculated how much the warhead of 500 KR weighs and how much all the F-18 aircraft carriers can take, and more than once, they quickly turned off. Now a decent bunker cannot be destroyed by a 200 kg bomb.
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                  Volkonsky (Vladimir) 8 September 2020 19: 51
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                  Comparison of sea-based calibers and bombs is incorrect, the bombs still need to be delivered through enemy air defense systems. The SAR is just a testing ground, and the Su-30, Su-34 also work there, even the Su-57, all have proven their suitability. It is expensive to hammer KR into bunkers, but these are just tests, sea launch, underwater launch, air launch, from the Caspian Sea, SM and World Championships. All pounded on "5"! Americans are shocked! The radius is 2,5 thousand km, instead of the declared 400 km. What to do with these Russians ?!
                  1. Cudgel Offline
                    Cudgel (Dubina) 8 September 2020 22: 00
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                    In Syria, ISIS had air defense, however? The test site is at the test site, where a bunch of radars of all kinds, instead of bombs, you can take weight simulators with sensors, apply any flight modes without fear of being knocked down from the ground. And then, in Syria this is not a war, it is unlikely that there will be such comfortable conditions with the Turks or the Japanese that you can get there without the opposition of enemy aircraft and air defense. And the Su-57 generally flew there for PR, like it already flies and even fights, I wonder if at least there was a radar on it, or even flew without it.
                    The Americans were shocked and even managed, but, true, laughing, 26 out of 18 missiles flew, and at that time there were about 100 of them. A quarter of the potential of all missiles, hurray! ISIS even noticed that the calibers were bombed on it?
                    "What to do with these Russians ?!" - how what should they do? Surrender to them, 100 Caliber changed strategic parity with the states and now forever! I propose to take prisoners at Capitol Hill! We guarantee life to everyone!
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                      businessv (Vadim) 9 September 2020 00: 07
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                      Quote: Cudgel
                      In Syria, ISIS had air defense, however?

                      Here I don't understand, who are you drowning for? Is it for ISIS, or for minke whales? Or for both, if only against Russia?
                      1. Cudgel Offline
                        Cudgel (Dubina) 9 September 2020 11: 05
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                        As I understand it, with marginal patriots, politeness is very bad, however, as with everything else. Usually strangers are addressed to you, young man.
                        With the perception of the text, you, too, as I see, is not in order. Start by retelling simple articles, it helps with the presentation of thoughts and with the perception of what is written.
                        From my text it is clear that I am not for ISIS or the Americans. ISIS just learned about 18 calibers that had flown in from the news. And the Americans changed diapers five times with laughter.
                        Against Russia, this is a man with zero mileage and his bunch of oligarchs, well, every media riffraff and marginal are patriots.
                  2. Accidentally Offline
                    Accidentally 9 September 2020 08: 27
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                    With you, everything is clear. We haven't played enough war since childhood .. you want a real war. So that tens of millions were killed, or better hundreds of millions, for what ... your stupid ideas.
                    1. Volkonsky Offline
                      Volkonsky (Vladimir) 9 September 2020 15: 53
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                      Who are you arguing with, comrade?
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                        Accidentally 10 September 2020 07: 04
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                        With you, comrade.
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              Fraser68 (Yuri) 9 September 2020 09: 29
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              Just don't cite your words from Minsk and Gomel as the ultimate truth. Young people do not understand what.
              I myself lived in Gomel in the 80s and there are many friends left there. The situation is not the same as you describe. And we have enough liberds, as well as skakuas.
        2. A.Lex Offline
          A.Lex (Secret information) 8 September 2020 21: 19
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          It is immediately clear that you are an oak ... - launches from the Caspian Sea showed EVERYONE what and how, but not you. You are a very interesting specimen! Does the stool not squeeze? You give yourself away! laughing laughing
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            Cudgel (Dubina) 8 September 2020 21: 40
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            What do you mean by this, before the launches from the Caspian there were test launches of these missiles, which the Americans tracked. By the way, you are at least aware that 8 missiles did not reach the target. The number of CDs is scanty, and given that the economy is now at the bottom and will not emerge soon, if it ever does, then there will be at most 100-200 in warehouses. The Americans have 30. The launches showed that the quality of the missiles was not very good, that a lot of them hit, and the economy showed that there would be a minuscule amount of them.
            But, of course, everyone was scared. ISIS after the launches began to surrender en masse, did the Americans and Turks leave Syria?
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              A.Lex (Secret information) 13 September 2020 09: 04
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              The fact that you do not know ANYTHING neither about the economy of Russia, nor about the state of affairs in the country can be seen with the naked eye. Anyone who lives in the Russian Federation will not write all sorts of nonsense, one in one licked from Western clichés. As you were flawed at the time of 2014, your mental and mental state has not improved.
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                321 (321) 13 September 2020 10: 05
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                With your opponent, almost everything has been clear for a long time - fresh from registration, already with a rating of the problem and with information he has a hard time, but the main thing is his mood - the mustache is gone, everything is as usual ...
                However, these are his problems. hi
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                  A.Lex (Secret information) 13 September 2020 20: 36
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                  321, clear pepper, water in the mouth and compote in the nose! wink lol
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                Cudgel (Dubina) 13 September 2020 12: 18
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                However! What a stream of consciousness! Comrade, don't be so nervous, take a sedative or roll some water, well, what helps you better. I am from Moscow, comrade, from Moscow everything seems much sadder than from Ukraine, which you mention out of place. The economy is sinking at a very decent rate. Gas export revenues no longer cover production and transportation, oil still covers, but not much. Well, and we have nothing else, except for the urya-patriots. However, you can sell the urya-patriots to the West or the East, let them test the vaccine against the corona, there will be some good from the urya-patriots.
                Look at the dollar exchange rate, this decrease in export earnings is compensated for by you.
                Let’s all start writing together that we’re all good at it, we have overtaken America in terms of economy and are about to overtake China, we also need to write "Rex-fex-pex".
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                  A.Lex (Secret information) 13 September 2020 20: 39
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                  Dollar rate? laughing laughing laughing Yes, you are behind the times! In the South Urals we don't even pay attention to this misunderstanding. What nafig Moscow? Do not disgrace yourself - SUGSom comes from you! ... that is why you do not see what others see in you. laughing laughing laughing
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                    Cudgel (Dubina) 13 September 2020 22: 45
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                    If you only eat potatoes from the garden and wear your own sheepskin, then yes, the course is on your side. Only now the import, which means the dollar component is included in absolutely any product of the Russian Federation, from a cow herd to the military-industrial complex (where even solder and glass fiber laminate are imported, not to mention FPGAs and processors with software).
                    Comrade, but if you meant that you and the entire South Urals don't care about dollars, because salaries are so scanty that after paying utilities and food, there are no ruble savings left to turn them into dollars and thus from inflation , then I completely agree with you! Putin's 20 years, instead of the promised 25 million high-tech jobs, turned into salaries in the provinces in the amount of 200-400 dollars, which is barely enough for basic survival.
                    Comrade, do not dishonor the Urals, except for Kholmansky and you there are no lackeys.
                    1. A.Lex Offline
                      A.Lex (Secret information) 16 September 2020 13: 03
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                      The Tambov wolf is your friend ...
                      The mere fact that you have no idea about life in the outback of Russia indicates you as a "professional Ukrainian".

                      ... there are no ruble savings left to convert into dollars ...

                      - well, definitely a Ukrainian !!! Since the end of the 90s we have not been dealing with the exchange for green papers. Except those. who travels to resorts abroad. (I say that you, a Ukrainian, have no idea about the REAL state in ordinary life) ...
                      And about the salary ... yes, I would like more ... but EVERYONE wants this, no matter what salary who does not receive ......... And at the expense of how much is spent on housing and communal services and food, then here you are I didn’t guess - I’m also continuing the construction (I don’t get the house very well - in the 90s hack-workers built, I have to fix their jambs). I also insulate the house with foam concrete of my own production (I managed to buy a machine for the production of PB) ... In addition, I have to pay taxes for two cars ... although we were able to exclude one car as a large one from taxation ..., two houses, an apartment (although and with zero repair), two land plots ....
                      Well, yes - we do not go to resorts (really, there are not enough funds and you will not give up the economy - you need to feed the cattle every day and water the garden - the climate is dry), but there is no need to go anywhere (the river is nearby and the nature is cool, ... ah Yes, we go to Sol-Iletsk every year (except for the current one), although my colleague goes somewhere every year (but his children are already adults) ...
                      Now about 200-400 dalliars ... Are you a month? ... I don't know how it is with you in the Square, but we have 1000-1200 per month (at a cost of 75) and this is not the highest (average, rather) salary ... So here, too, you are in flight, Ukrainian ... I tell you that you are giving yourself away!
                      And as for Kholmansky, I had to climb and look ... Well, what can I tell you - I didn’t come to see us ... If you hadn’t called him ... Well, God bless him, he didn’t shine with us here, didn’t show himself brightly, that's why - it was, well, it was ... how many of them happen here ... It's a big Ural, you can't remember all of them.
                      So - you would stop hurting me with your lies. You still won't succeed ... If I was a little younger, then maybe I tried to argue with you, but you LIE, and you lie artlessly, without invention, without a spark. You would really ask for new instructions, otherwise you are too boring in your lies. laughing hi
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                        Cudgel (Dubina) 16 September 2020 13: 36
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                        That's when the ruble will be accepted in all countries, the savings of the population and credit organizations will be in rubles, the dollar of the 1928 issue is accepted everywhere, unlike the ruble, the denomination of which has already been remembered how many times, then you will disparagingly talk about the dollar as “ green paper ". And now you are in your aplomb, we have stopped buying since the 90s, they look like a rogue in a nine, hating a new Mercedes. It is clear that your standard of living has fallen since the 90s and has not been able to rise so that you could afford savings, let alone savings in dollars. But if they bought it, now they would increase their savings 12 times. But this is not the limit, as the ruble fell, it will continue to fall.
                        With regards to your movable and immovable property, apartments, houses and cars. I have no relatives in the Urals, but there are in the regions close to Moscow, Ryazan. Vladimirskaya and Tambovskaya relatives and friends. Buying a house there in the village is not a problem, abandoned for years stand, no one buys, although the prices for them are junk. In the Urals, it is even cheaper because nobody wants to buy it. That is, if you do not take Moscow, the Moscow region and the Black Sea coast, then your set of real estate is nonsense at its cost and cannot be an indicator, at least some kind of success. The cars you have are probably old, from 5 years or more. Buy now the most basic (decent) foreign car is from 1 rubles, but this is the very, very minimum.
                        The salary per month in the province is 200 - 400 dollars. Will you argue, well, well? What you said is 1000, and even this is supposedly average, then my whole office laughs. There is no such thing in Moscow either. In Moscow, the average is 44 (well, somewhere like that).
                        Here are the salaries from the site hh.ru, Nizhny Tagil, and I did not take movers, laborers and sellers (the most massive vacancies), but rather qualified workers:
                        Operator of an automated spraying unit 32-000 rubles.
                        Welder from 45 rubles.
                        Thermist 30-000 rubles.
                        Turner-boring machine from 40 rubles.

                        The indicator of the middle class is precisely that a family can afford a vacation. And preferably in the South, children need sun and stuff. But this you yourself just cannot afford. Maybe with regard to you, I am a little mistaken, and your income (salary) in the region is 2 or 3 times, but this does not change the essence. The bulk of the population works in mass specialties and receives - a penny.
                        You, the marginal, are patriots who see more broadly than they show on the dolboyaschik and either a Ukrainian or a bully speaks about it, soon they will also add bulbash, judging by the situation in Belarus.
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                        A.Lex (Secret information) 18 September 2020 21: 32
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                        You have one problem - you measure everything in Moscow and the Moscow region. This is for you the whole Russian Federation - a common delusion of those who do not live in Russia. You don't know the realities of Russia at all. Therefore, write all sorts of nonsense, like the one that "$" is the measure of everything and everyone. Ukrainian views on life, as always, have played a bad joke on you.
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                        savings in $

                        have already taught our mortgage holders once - not to trust these deposits and loans.
                        And about the salary - you can laugh as much as you like - you do not live in Russia, and therefore do not understand ANYTHING. And 200-400 are there in the Ukrainian territories. And here - as already said 1000-1200 is the norm (who works in serious work, and not as a loader or a seller in "mini-markets", or is doing little things). And the fact that you don't believe this is your problem, not mine, and I don't have to prove anything to you, because I have no task to convince you of something. I have a different task - TO SHOW PEOPLE THAT YOU ARE LIE!
                        And again: Moscow is not all of Russia. And to judge all of Russia by Moscow is a big mistake! An ordinary citizen of the Russian Federation knows this very well, but those who do not live in the country do not. And all your "office in Moscow" - well, who are you lying to?
                        And the car ... what the car? Carries? Yes. Doesn't it thunder? No way at all (timely replacement of consumables - and everything will be fine!). Is it warm in winter and cool in summer? Generally excellent! Well, and what ultra-modern cars are now - we know firsthand: local peasants bought Tuaregs with Tiguan and Rovers (I'm not talking about Lexus with Infinity - they are not quoted) - they spat and swore when the warranty period expired. Now in the Russian Federation, cars are becoming more and more popular (and this figure is increasing from year to year), which take as long as possible before serious repairs. And the problem with the most modern brands is that even the engines have begun to be made "disposable"; departure the due date - for the release, tk. repair is worth ... it's easier to buy a new one. Or are you one of those. who changes cars like gloves? Well then, there's nothing to talk about with you.
                        In general ... the measure of everything with money (as I said above) is an inferiority complex for those who either live in poverty, or those who have escaped from this poverty and dreams that the loot is about to end. This is a very strong feature of those who live in the Ukrainian territories, or those who come from there. Previously, this was inherent in us living in Russia - the 90s hit us hard then ... But 20 years have passed and a lot has changed and these fears receded. That is why we are satisfied with GDP - it has removed poverty. into which our country was banged by a marked bear and a wrestling drunk. And that's why we do it at all fyflo not intend to change - let work out "Negro", the sun is still high!
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                        Cudgel (Dubina) 19 September 2020 17: 04
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                        Why do I see myself only from Ukraine? I see myself from the provinces, I often travel, on business trips and so on. In the Urals, though I have not been. All to the Urals. The province lives poorly, very poorly and every year it is getting worse. If you have other observations, can you give statistics on those leaving Moscow to work in the provinces, the whole of Moscow is already empty and Tver, Voronezh, Tambov are tired of the influx of Moscow "guest workers"?
                        OK. They pay a lot in serious jobs. And how many such "serious jobs" do you have, one in a hundred loaders and drivers? And for women it is even worse, but there are no welder jobs for women, only saleswomen with cashiers. I always look at HH.RU, well, everything is up to 40, and if there is a couple from 000, then there are only few of them in the general stream.
                        Putriotics love to post vacancies from the North, where the driller receives from 160. It is true, there are such salaries in the North. But how many of them are there for all of Russia, for all working people in the north to move?
                        About Tiguan, you are right, rubbish machine, but the children know it. From the same series of Infinite, but it's still minuscule in car sales. But you shouldn't offend Tuareg, it's a very good machine.
                        There is no need to talk about the quality and cheap operation of vases. First, they are only 65% ​​domestic. All important details in them are import or based on import. It's even worse with trucks. KAMAZ and MAZ three years of strong operation and in the trash, and within a year they have a lot of sores, there are serious ones, up to downtime. In the regions they are still found, but even there they gradually switched to MANs and Volvo and other imports. It is even worse with agricultural machinery, tractors, combines, here we are not a competitor. I personally know two agronomists, but I am a friend of the uncle who sells agricultural products. They are reducing the range of domestic agricultural equipment, and not only for the rich agricultural regions, Voronezh and further south, but also Ryazan and Moscow Region and Vladimir.
                        In the 90s, working as a programmer, albeit in two companies, I received $ 1500 in my hands. Everyone who was not lying on the couch, about that much or more. Well, someone went to Turkey, dragged clothes from there, someone faxes from Singapore, this is in addition to the main job (holidays, time off). Yes, not a dream job, but more than enough to feed. By the way, taxing in Moscow at that time was, well, super profitable, not like now 10 hours for 40 - 000. My friend is a military man, so he earned decent money, but he taxed on Friday and Saturday nights. Now the same $ 45, for 000 rubles, a decent amount even for Moscow. But you can buy them several times less.
                        The GDP did not remove poverty, it drove it underground and increased it. Getting military or bureaucratic rations is not visible, but there is a lot of poverty around. And all these crafty figures that if a person gets the minimum wage, he is simply poor, this is a lie.! The minimum wage is at the level of the poorest African bantustan, but in bantustan it is warm and fruits and vegetables grow all year round. But for Bantustan, the minimum wage is poverty. And pearls that 17 are the middle class. Let the daughter of VVP live for a year for this amount or someone from the government.
                        You putinoidam to change it, of course, do not want to. You are either close and do not see where Russia is going with it, or your meager ration suits you so far. Yes, and speak for yourself: "... therefore, we DO NOT intend to change it for any fyflo ...", fortunately there are few putinoids of you, and further less and less.
                      4. A.Lex Offline
                        A.Lex (Secret information) Today, 09: 00
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                        Если бы нас было мало, то и ВВП у власти бы не стоял. Я уже писал, что я не фанат Теперь по авто - вы наверное не в курсе, то "тигуан" - это "убюджеченная" (как считают в ЕС-ах) версия "туарега". И ремонт (а он наступает рано или поздно - поинтересуйтесь о плановой замене "расходников" грм - там чтобы поменять ЦЕПИ надо ДВИЖОК ВЫТАСКИВАТЬ)...Ну это так, вы, видно, машиной только пользуетесь и ремонт для вас - оттащить тачку в сервис и пусть слесарь там с ней йенгается.
                        Теперь про доходы. Ваша информированность о состоянии в МО и прилегающих областях (да и то не факт) не даёт видеть вам всю страну в целом. .........
                        А знаете что? Вы ведь лжёте! Вы хотите сказать, что я, живя на ЮУ бедствую и нищенствую? Ну так я вам ничего доказывать не собираюсь. Вы не тот человек, перед которым я должен оправдываться и что-либо доказывать. Скажу только одно - у каждого человека своя планка достаточных доходов. У одного жизнь без "мерседеса" или "тойоты" последней модели - не жизнь, а прозябание. А для меня - эти люди с жиру бесятся. А у другого езда на 5-10 летней машине - нормально (машина не для статуса, а для жизни).
                        Вы рассуждаете исходя из того образа жизни, который навязывался с зaпaдa - больше всего самого модного, самого нового, всё последних моделей или марок...Это вы считаете целью жизни - потребительское отношение к жизни. У меня сильно другие цели в жизни. И для меня ВЕЩИ не являются МЕЧТОЙ. Для меня вещи должны приносить пользу и они должны как можно меньше требовать ремонта. Т.е. они - УТИЛИТАРНЫ. Вся современная (особенно западная) техника и все вещи НАМЕРЕННО производятся с условием как можно быстрее израсходовать свой срок службы. Это неправильно и, рано или поздно, эта "гонка" закончится, т.к. для неограниченное расширение - конечно и наступает обвал. И тогда на передний план снова выходит КАЧЕСТВО, ДОЛГОВЕЧНОСТЬ и НАДЁЖНОСТЬ. ... Говорю вам в последний раз - вы не тот человек, чтобы указывать нам как жить, что покупать, за кого голосовать и кого выбирать. Вы сидите себе на своём месте и читайте внимательнее комментарии, которые вам люди пишут, ибо вы не читаете ВНИМАТЕЛЬНО, а потому постоянно повторяетесь и лжёте на каждом шагу. У вас слишком завышенное самомнение, а других людей вы считаете ниже себя по социальному статусу.... Повторюсь ещё раз специально для ВАС - очень сильно это похоже на комплекс неполноценности и указывает на ущербность личности...или - на провокатора. А это присуще для живущих вна или приехавших оттуда.
                        Будьте здоровы и прощевайте. hi
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        bear040 17 September 2020 20: 37
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        Where does the infa come from, from the Rainy pub of the bandera drunkard Ksyushka ?! As a legacy from the USSR, Russia received 2500 Kh-55 cruise missiles with a nuclear warhead, and these missiles are still on alert. And then there are the Soviet X-55SM, the new X-101 and so on. So keep dreaming. You would go home, to Zhmerenka, Lviv region, together with Ksyushka, nicknamed Horse, and not wang us your fantasies here
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    businessv (Vadim) 9 September 2020 00: 13
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    What prevents the bases from the Rostov region from "controlling the perimeter ..."

    It's funny! A military fleet will walk along Azov. It's funny! laughing
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    A.Lex (Secret information) 8 September 2020 21: 17
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    Wolf, stop throwing beads - they will not appreciate it, and you will only ruin your nerves. You will not prove anything to them - these are the same ones who are in the "rashka vcio plyokho" !!!! These are the ones who are shouting at every corner that "we need to flee this country", and they themselves either sit in 404, or are on the wage of the hodor.
    Stop diving with every sickness, they are not worth it - spit on them.
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      Rashid116 (Rashid) 9 September 2020 08: 36
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      Nothing confused?

      And of course, if a person has a different opinion (I agree with him, not quite in a row, of course), then this is a Ukrainian, a liberal and unconventionally intercourse. Kapets, amoeba.
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        A.Lex (Secret information) 13 September 2020 09: 11
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        Naturally, you agree - you are not Russian (this is not an insult - a statement of fact). You do not know ANYTHING about the RF. Since you do not live in the country you are writing about.
        Although ... If you live in Russia and agree with a banderlog who writes his comments from the propaganda of Western liars, then you are no better than him. And if you come to the Russian Federation and earn money on our country, then at least you are ... not grateful. And you pray that Zhirinovsky or Shoigu does not come to power in our country - then you will fly to your native land and earn whatever you want ... even in kind.
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          Rashid116 (Rashid) 19 September 2020 21: 21
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          I also think that let him sit there. He was used against his own country, and he seems to have nothing against. They understood that it is better to make a "sacrificial sheep" out of him, because he is not in any other capacity.
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    steelmaker 8 September 2020 15: 30
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    The author is working off the membership card of "United Russia".
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      Rashid116 (Rashid) 9 September 2020 08: 37
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      Ha ha ha, thought so too.
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    kuzia kuzia (kuzia kuzia) 8 September 2020 19: 10
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    Dear Volkonsky. The time for articles like the one I read is over. I have been reading such works where Putin's outrageous super-genius with grandmaster super moves amazes the universe, I have been reading for over 20 years. And believe me, this is already sick of it. People do not believe either Putin or such fraudulent patriots as you. Well, seriously, such professional noodles have been hanged for so many years that today 2020 is no longer even funny. The best publicistic minds of the Russian Federation have long described all the ingenious moves, decisions, etc. How many people can you deceive further? The standard of living in the Russian Federation is on the verge of a social explosion. Propaganda shows 3-4 percent of the unemployed, and real - up to 20 million. Tens of millions are on the brink of survival. The prices in the shops are horse-drawn, people work for food. Where is your genius Putin? Why the hell is he raping his own people? Which, according to official statistics, is dying out ..... So don't be surprised when you read disgruntled comments on your super victorious articles. Maybe people are not argued everywhere, but leaving the last money in a pharmacy or in a grocery store, they will not believe your bravado.
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      Volkonsky (Vladimir) 8 September 2020 19: 22
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      A text about Belarus, actually. Not a word about the Russian Federation! No need to shift from a sore head to a healthy one! What exactly do you want? To have a second Ukraine in Belarus? And if not, then don't bother with your pharmacies!
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        kuzia kuzia (kuzia kuzia) 14 September 2020 12: 17
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        Where about Belarus? Blind? And what kind of stupid questions? Do you want it like in Ukraine? How can you be so narrow-minded, Volchek? Yes, Luke is the CAUSE of the crisis. According to your narrow-minded logic, let's keep the reason in order to avoid the consequences? Complete cretinism.
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      A.Lex (Secret information) 8 September 2020 21: 24
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      Kuzma, don't you like it, are you sick? Don't read - go to Medusa or Dozhd - there are a lot of like-minded people there! They will certainly appreciate and accept you! lol
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      businessv (Vadim) 9 September 2020 00: 03
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      Quote: kuzia kuzia
      So don't be surprised when you read disgruntled comments on your super victorious articles.

      So that? Is it time for the cemetery? The article is not victorious, not laudatory, but analytical, supported by facts. But your post is similar to the cry of a local liberal spill, which only we have. They call themselves liberals, but in fact do not lend themselves to classification. Some people without a clan, without a tribe, but with an unbridled desire to criticize everyone and everything, while in every possible way uplifting their own, only visible to them. This is not a personal impression, this is a personal impression from your opus to the author, which looks more like a boorish insult. Vladimir, thanks for the article, it was interesting! good
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        Rashid116 (Rashid) 9 September 2020 08: 42
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        Some people without a clan, without a tribe

        - wow, the nobles pulled themselves up in the tenth generation, "intellectuals"))))
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          321 (321) 13 September 2020 14: 24
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          Some people without a clan, without a tribe

          - wow, the nobles pulled themselves up in the tenth generation, "intellectuals"))))

          Are you dreaming of taking away and sharing everything again? negative Experience has not taught you anything yet? It happens ... And what have the Belarusians to do with it? Have you tried it on the topic?
          PS And my ancestors are in the velvet book, but yours?
          PPS Only now they will take away from you too, do you consider? It seems that not, but it will pass - probably ...
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            Rashid116 (Rashid) 19 September 2020 10: 07
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            In what book-velvet? I have not even heard of this .... But there is a documentary about my grandfather about the war, how he entered the village as a twenty-year-old lieutenant as part of a tank link, breaking through the German defenses and ensuring the success of the operation. to our family as a relic. And you don’t attribute your dreams to me. I didn’t offer to take away everything from everyone. I offered to return to people what was stolen from them. Investigate illegal privatization. Pay attention to the expenses of officials and compare them with their income , everything. And try to take at least a penny from me, you will regret it very much. It will not work, I agree, I’m already closer to "half a month", so it’s easier to dig me in than to convince me))). Confirmation of which, too, many photographs have survived. And throw out the crystal ball that helps you read my mind, it does not work, the Chinese have poured you again))).
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              321 (321) 19 September 2020 11: 33
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              In what velvet book? I never even heard of one.

              What you haven't heard is no longer surprising - learn at least something, maybe you will.

              Quote: Rashid116
              ... And try to take at least a penny from me, you will regret it very much. It will not work, I agree, I am already closer to "half a month", so it is easier to dig me in than to convince me))) ...

              Both are much easier than you think, but about half a dollar - you need to grow up, too small ... laughing

              Quote: Rashid116
              ... But there is about my grandfather in a documentary book about the war, how he entered the village as a twenty-year-old lieutenant as part of a tank link, breaking through the German defenses and ensured the success of the operation. This book is kept in our family as a relic ... By the way, my ancestors before the revolution were village teachers , in confirmation of which many photographs have also survived….

              What have grandfathers got to do with it? They wrote about mine more than once in my memoirs, and in other sources it is mentioned - Sapun-mountain took, so what? Just like other ancestors - what do they have to do with it?

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              ... And you don’t attribute your dreams to me. I didn’t offer to take away everything from everyone. I offered to return to people what was stolen from them. Investigate illegal privatization. Pay attention to the expenses of officials and compare them with their incomes, that's it .. ...

              Of course, of course, but someone else wrote about nobles and intellectuals, and your dreams - you can call them whatever you like, their essence does not change, and it will take a little time to come up with terminology, you will become ...
              PS Fantasies should also have a measure - you wrote here that your opponent knows about the fact that you were banned - your fantasies and your "ball" for yourself and adapt - wherever you want, they write about the opponent's ban only when it is mutual, you need to know the materiel ... hi
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                All the same, but I will try. About books some kind of nonsense, I will not even comment. Well, try to select, go ahead, what to beat? . Now I have acquired resources and acquaintances.
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  • Netyn Online
    Netyn (Netyn) 8 September 2020 20: 42
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    Oddly enough, but for the first time I agree with the author on most points.
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    Alexey Nabebin (Alexey Nabebin) 8 September 2020 21: 14
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    The author, that you creep before Putin with his odious oligarchy, leading a impoverished and dying country to the abyss.
  • Netyn Online
    Netyn (Netyn) 8 September 2020 21: 38
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    Quote: Cudgel
    No i don't get it

    Sorry, this is an elementary fact.

    Quote: Cudgel
    Turks or NATO will block the Bosphorus with mines and hello.

    Learn history, I will hint - Turkey, NATO, the closure of the straits, Gromyko, the open straits.

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    Novorossiysk would be quite enough for the dwarf Black Sea Fleet, which is noticeably inferior to the Turkish one.

    But this is an outright lie. Let's take a look at the Turkish Navy.
    1) Four frigates of the Yavuz project, built in the late eighties. last century
    2) Four frigates of the "Barbaros" type, built by German shipbuilders for the Turkish Navy from 1997 to 2000
    3) Eight frigates of the "Oliver Hazard Perry" type, built in the late seventies and eighties of the last century
    4) Six French corvettes built in the 70-80s. last century
    5) Nine submarines of three different types, some of which were built in the 70-80s, some in the nineties, and some in the zero years of the new millennium. In total, the Turks have 13 diesel-electric submarines. I hope you don’t need to paint the composition of the Black Sea Fleet? You are deeply in the subject, and for example, explain that, for example, the Caspian Fleet, for example, will easily join the attack of the Black Sea Fleet of the Navy.

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    Against AG it was 80%, now it is more and they are angrier.

    Another lie, of course, the German flutist and the Lithuanian housewife won't lie.

    Quote: Cudgel
    like it used to be in Ukraine, before the annexation of Crimea and direct hostilities with the Ukrainian army) we still had supporters in Belarus, now there are almost none, except for the security forces, who, by the way, as soon as they smell fried (not all, of course), but will go over.

    Further, in general, sheer lies - sad and not interesting.
    1. Cudgel Offline
      Cudgel (Dubina) 8 September 2020 22: 15
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      Of course, a sad lie! You watch Channel One or RT, there is a storehouse of reliable information, even the CIA gets information from them.
      With 80% against AG, they do not agree, well, it is correct that they do not agree! There are now dissatisfied people over 90. Something you don't see the supporters of AG on the streets, but yes, they are all either at work, and on weekends they dig potatoes at their dachas.
      You remembered Gromyko, well, remember Stalin. The Turks will click on Putin's nose with straits and rub himself with tomatoes.
      As you carefully listed the Turkish Navy, there are only Project 209 submarines that will decorate our entire Black Sea Fleet and will not sweat. Their corvettes and frigates are quite decent, and given the quality of our weapons and the western ones, with which the Turks are armed, we have nothing to catch there, unless we die heroically, as under Tsushima. The only thing that will give the Turks on the ears is anti-ship missiles on airplanes. And the rusty ChMF, only suitable for parades.
      Yes, by the way, in the Far East it is even more fun, if against only one Japan.
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        Timur B (Timur B) 8 September 2020 22: 53
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        How well you speak, dear! As far as I remember, about 20 years ago (before BB) wealthy people had a car, 10 years ago there were really rusty troughs in the army. What now? Yes, many have 1-2 or more cars in the garage, the army is re-equipped with modern technology and equipment (from personal experience). In the late 90s, even beggars with money-boxes came to my house for alms! Maybe you are watching the wrong channels? If you criticize our government, then do it without inventing non-existent facts! Personally, I want a stable country, and not such fellow citizens who are ready to make a storm of little need!
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          Cudgel (Dubina) 8 September 2020 23: 22
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          You really count the new ships and their rank and the end of the 90s, when the advice was quite capable of fighting the fleet, until its officers ditched the Navy. That, it was difficult for the destroyers of the 956 project to maintain the turbine in proper condition. The Chinese have preserved all the destroyers of the 956 project. Well, seriously, there are so many modern weapons, not repatriated T-72B3s with poor sights. In your army, the Kalashnikov assault rifle was changed to SCARP and the thermal imager, rangefinder and collimator sight were replaced with it. Old stuff was, and it remained in the majority.
          You can also talk about the courtyard, in which you push through the car. Just what to do with 26 million beggars.
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          Rashid116 (Rashid) 9 September 2020 08: 49
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          You had to work and you would have everything. I already had a car then, by the way. I bought my first car at 24 (a heel that was killed in the trash, but I restored it with my own hands, and was very proud of it). And the grown men - yes, there were no cars then. So they thumped and whined only. And I plowed for myself and for these slobberies.
  • Netyn Online
    Netyn (Netyn) 8 September 2020 23: 35
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    With 80% against AG, they do not agree, well, it is correct that they do not agree! There are now dissatisfied over 90

    Confirmation or will you continue to lie?

    Quote: Cudgel
    Something is not visible supporters of the AG on the streets.

    Poles don't show, do they?

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    there, some project 209 submarines will trim our entire Black Sea Fleet and will not sweat

    Is this a joke? A vessel that is more than 50 years old ?!

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    Their corvettes and frigates are quite decent

    In addition to your very authoritative and weighty word, provide at least one proof?

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    taking into account the quality of our weapons and Western ones, with which the Turks are armed, we should catch there ...

    Ah, I understood everything. Western weapons with molecules of freedom are much cooler than the weapons of totalitarian Mordor. Well don't hesitate - tear off the veils

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    The only thing that will give the Turks on the ears is anti-ship missiles on airplanes

    This is only in the wet fantasies of minors and're coming out of patriots.

    Quote: Cudgel
    Yes, by the way, in the Far East it is even more fun, if against only one Japan.

    Yes, nichosi, what a rarity - to meet an expert of this level, so deeply understanding and knowing the specifics of our fleet.
    PS Seryoga, I found a co-author for you!
    You will be a trio with Irina to sculpt articles 24/7 non-stop.
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      Cudgel (Dubina) 9 September 2020 00: 33
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      In fact, Turkish 209 submarines are 50 years old ?! The last 209s (8 units) were put into service from 1994 to 2007. At the World Cup we have three modern frigates (with a bunch of imperfections), against Turkish 8 (MEKKO), well, there are also a dozen Turkish corvettes, quite decent. As for Perry, I can’t say anything, it’s like they modernized them and their radar station is not bad.
      Yeah, the quality of machinery, Western equipment, electronics is clearly lower than ours. In turn there are Western bourgeois machines and domestic computers to buy! Trash our weapons, both in terms of quality, as an example, firing guided missiles in biathlon, and technology. Western, of course, more expensive, but it effectively kills, and ours, this is what the industry was able to do, and engineers to develop. Or do you think that in civilian life we ​​are at the bottom, and in military service secret design bureaus and factories built the Death Star, and launched a quantum computer.
      Yes, about 80% who disagree with AG, this is for Channel 1, this is a storehouse of objectivity and honesty, they won't lie there!
      What do you, marginal-patriots, for the manner, if someone does not agree that we will win all three times, at least, then this is a saucepan or a State Department official. Where do you come from, from the sons of the Duma fraternity, who are doing well, or the offspring of United Russia. You can be understood, there is zero success, the country is heading for disaster, well, in order to powder the brains of the population, military, patriotic rhetoric has to go over the ears more often.
      Yes, you, as an expert of the 80th level, do not list the military-technical journals, where the editorial office pays space fees for your articles? It’s always nice to know that you’re talking to an expert military guru.
      Just crushed by your arguments, I give up!
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    businessv (Vadim) 8 September 2020 23: 50
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    But the second part does not really interest us (it deals with the debts of the USSR)

    If we are not interested in our money, which is "sawed" among themselves by successful managers - Chubais, then what are we interested in besides talking?
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      Volkonsky (Vladimir) 9 September 2020 02: 03
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      Vadik, hello! This part was not related to the topic of this article (financing of the Republic of Belarus from the budget of the Russian Federation, which is now being transferred to a new track).

      https://kapital-rus.ru/articles/article/dolgi_ne_spishut_sebe_v_karman_belousov_
      udaril_po_liberalam /

      - if you are interested, here is a detailed description of our debts.

      The practice of extracting financial benefits from government loans developed in the early 1990s. From the USSR, Russia received the right to demand about 148 billion dollars from other states. Most of the loans were secured by government assets and were internationally classified as first class. By order of Yegor Gaidar, who served as prime minister in 1992-1994, OJSC FinPa, employee of the Institute for System Research, Petr Aven, received the authority to work with external debts. The company started selling debts belonging to Russia at a discount to interested clients.

      FinPa controlled highly liquid debts of third countries to Russia and sold them to international speculators or states. For example, Israel wanted to buy Libya's debts to exert political pressure. The Falcon firm, which was associated with Anatoly Chubais, was also involved in the sale of Russian debts.

      The Ministry of Finance had a monopoly on managing foreign debts and conducting various operations with them. But this did not suit Andrei Belousov, since such a situation left a trough for a certain political group. With his innovation, he changed the procedure for working with debts in the department: now, a government representative will consider applications from foreign countries of borrowers, consult and negotiate the terms of lending. That is, not the Ministry of Finance, but the agent of the Cabinet of Ministers will have the final say on how to service, repay, sell or write off loans to other states.

      The Ministry of Finance will no longer be able to "absorb" the remaining 58 billion dollars in debt through a network of private companies owned by Russian politicians and bankers. The returned money will go not for private-corporate interests, but for state needs.
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        Rashid116 (Rashid) 9 September 2020 09: 03
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        employee of the Institute for Systems Research Petr Aven

        - the only useful information for me. I now have an account with his Alfa Bank. I am just closing the company (the tax authorities got it with their checks, I registered 8 years ago). And I'm opening a new one (I should be three years behind))). Fig him, not my money. This is where this economic genius came from))). Well, all of us "beloved" Chubais, of course. He's busy, by the way. Drives our development (nanotechnology). And of course, nano is the result of his management. This is a multi-move)))
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        businessv (Vadim) 10 September 2020 12: 30
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        Vadik, hello!

        Hi dear! Glad to read and see! Haven't visited for a long time. I will definitely read it! drinks good
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    Alles-51 (Alexander) 8 September 2020 23: 59
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    To the author - approval and, in my opinion, a prize! Thanks to Vladimir, I am subscribing to the channel again! Thankful! I checked 3 quarters of the given facts: I did not have this information before. The analyst is not faking. Thank. I believe. Good quality and without flooding.
  • Netyn Online
    Netyn (Netyn) 9 September 2020 04: 42
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    In fact, Turkish 209 submarines are 50 years old ?!

    Google to help, project 209 was delivered in the late 60s.

    Quote: businessv
    The last 209th (8 pieces) were adopted from 1994 to 2007

    9 pieces actually.

    Quote: Cudgel
    We have three modern frigates at the World Cup (with a bunch of imperfections)

    30 division of surface ships 8 pieces: Moscow, Kerch, Smetlivy, Ladny, Pytlivy, Grigorovich, Makarov, Essen. 197 brigade of landing ships 7 pieces: Azov, Saratov, Orsk, Novocherkassk, Filchenkov, Yamal, Kunikov. 4 brigade of eyeliners 9 pieces. 68 brigade of guard ships 3 pieces. 150 tactical group of 4 pieces. 41 brigade of 11 missile boats. 184 security brigade 12 pieces.
    We take into account the armament, for example, good Oliver Perry has only 4 Harpoon anti-ship missiles with a Max range of only 220 km.
    Considering that a volley of the Azov and Caspian flotilla will join the volley of the Black Sea Fleet flotilla, plus the coastal defense Caliber, Bastion, Ball and naval aviation

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    As for Perry, I can’t say anything, it’s like they modernized them and their radar station is not bad.

    This is a joke in a joke, I guess? In the Black Sea, it is the ship's radar station that will issue target designation.

    Quote: Cudgel
    Trash our weapons, both in terms of quality, as an example, firing guided missiles in biathlon, and technology. Western, of course, more expensive, but it effectively kills, and ours, this is what the industry was able to do, and engineers to develop. Or do you think that in civilian life we ​​are at the bottom, and in military service secret design bureaus and factories built the Death Star and launched a quantum computer.

    I'm sorry that everything is so bad with you.

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    Yes, about 80% who disagree with AG, this is for Channel 1, this is a storehouse of objectivity and honesty, they won't lie there!

    I haven't watched TV for 15 years and I recommend that you tie up with 1 + 1 channels. And regarding the reliability of the information, the first channel is better than sunny castles with defecating pink western unicorns in your head.

    Quote: Cudgel
    What are you, marginal patriots, for the manner, if someone does not agree that we will defeat everyone three times, at least, then this is a saucepan or a State Department official

    If a young, pot-headed, stupid person can realize that he then writes delirium and outright lies, then this speaks of only one thing. Do you know the English proverb about the duck?
    1. Cudgel Offline
      Cudgel (Dubina) 9 September 2020 11: 53
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      From the project of the beginning of 70 in the submarines of the 209th series, little is left. Arlie Burke has also since 1988, but is constantly being modernized and the latest series is very different from the first. So it is with 209.
      Eight are adopted in service with Turkey, their numbering is sequentially from 353 to 360, they can count correctly themselves, if not, ask someone smarter, he will count.
      A new word in anti-ship missiles that can be launched from the Caspian Sea! Ordinary CDs can be launched from the Caspian Sea, but the Turkish navy doesn't care.
      Well, let's list all the rusty stuff of the Black Sea Fleet with the wretched radar stations, so the Turks will be scared. There are three modern frigates 11356, and this is an old project, which they began to do out of despair, because the deadlines for delivery of 22350 were delayed. The ships have a lot of imperfections. The old air defense system, GAS, AU and others. That is, the frigates are formally new, but the weapons and GAS are old. 10-15 minutes if they hold out against the Turks, it will be very good.
      If you don’t watch the TV box, then where did you get so much rubbish in your head? What are you reading, if not a secret, it is very curious, not every time you meet a person who has so many sawdust instead of brains, and thoughts are at the level: Uryayayaya! We will defeat everyone!
      Shit is our weapon, normal countries that are not under the embargo or that have money, buy Western ones, from sniper rifles to missiles, submarines, frigates, electronics and others. Pay attention to the shooting range used by the fighters of rich organizations, such as the FSB, they have different weapons, they also have western equipment from uniforms to helmets and thermal imagers with collimators. And so in everything, with guided weapons it is even worse.
      1. Dear sofa expert. 9 September 2020 15: 54
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        So it is with 209.
        Eight are adopted in service with Turkey, their numbering is sequentially from 353 to 360, they can count correctly themselves, if not, ask someone smarter, he will count.

        If you are as smart as you think you are, then you probably know that only the first 3 are made in Germany. The rest - their own - Turkish (= bullshit). The same fiasco befell attempts to copy the German "leopards".

        Shit is our weapon

        Yours - yes, shit. You don't have it.
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          Cudgel (Dubina) 9 September 2020 18: 02
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          It is quite controversial that, made under a German license, under the control of German engineers from German components, the submarines will suddenly become bullshit.
          The Turks did not copy the German leopards, they were supplied from the Bundeswehr Armed Forces. The problem with these Leopards is that they are old 4 - a modification, well, plus not entirely competent application. Do you want to remember how many of our tanks burned down during the storming of Grozny?
          I have a sliced ​​one. Of our only IZH-27, well, often dragging it, it is not very a pity to give or love it into the wrong hands. The rest is Sako and Anschutz. There was also a domestic crayon, first Sable, then TOZ-78 from both and could not collect a normal pile, I had to buy Anshutz. Yes, the sights are not ours either, but Leopolds and one Eyimpoint collimator, took when the buck was still 30.
          You, probably, will also take a BMW or Mers, and not Kalina, and change KAMAZ to MAN?
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            Cudgel (Dubina) 13 September 2020 12: 25
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            Write something brilliant, "putriot" You are our smartest.
            Yes, there is nothing to cover, here you are, "putriotics" and translate everything on the pans. Your main idea is that there are still countries where it is even worse!
            Let's see how many of you, "putriotics", will remain in a year, when not from paycheck to paycheck, but steadily living in the red.
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              321 (321) 13 September 2020 14: 16
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              Write something brilliant, "putriot" You are our smartest ...

              You? What for? It won't help you anyway, but waste time on you? Wait ... hi

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              ... Yes, there is nothing to cover, so you putriotik on the pans, you translate everything. Your main idea is that there are still countries where it is even worse! ...

              To educate Russophobes and perpetrators, i.e. you? There is nothing more to do straight - three times your comments caught my eye - about aviation and others like it, you may know what - not my topic, not interesting at all, but the rest - what about the Strategic Missile Forces, what about the Crimea and the Black Sea Fleet , what about Caliber, and about weapons in general - your knowledge leaves much to be desired, and your beliefs, or views - why am I going to educate you, who do not have the same views? You and only yourself, you look, and you will know what ...

              Quote: Cudgel
              … Let's see how many of you, "putriotics", will remain in a year, when not from paycheck to paycheck, but steadily living in the red.

              Anything more than you - the supporters and Russophobes. bully
              PS And you would have looked at your grammar all the same, well, so that the meaning of your opuses was at least clear. bully negative
              PPS And to be rude, as you are here and not only, you do not need a lot of intelligence, which you personally successfully and confirm, but this is not for long. Interestingly, this is your "changer" already pulled up a little higher, also fresh? bully
              Oh well... hi
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                Cudgel (Dubina) 13 September 2020 17: 22
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                Well, of course, the whole argument boiled down to himself ... You have to go to the site "Made with us!" and immediately any vsepalschik will become a jingoistic patriot and putinoid. And besides this site, we have nothing to be proud of. Caliber against the fleet will not help, they are for stationary targets, and how many of them we have. The oligarchs will not spend money on Calibers, they also have a crisis, and yacht maintenance and tax on Western real estate are expensive, and it is in dollars and euro.
                This is a minority of you, because the security officials, who receive relatively good rations, bureaucrats and all kinds of servants from TV, are a minority than 22 million beggars and 40 million poor Russians. And this despite the fact that poverty is the minimum wage, the minimum wage is poverty at the level of the poorest countries in Africa. At one time they (the poor) were fed with fairy tales about Russia rising from its knees and the great patriot Putin, but one cannot lie indefinitely, the people began to wake up from sweet-voiced sirens from TV. But those who have not yet run out of rations continue to rave in reality. Comrade, be patient, soon your soldering will run out.
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                  321 (321) 13 September 2020 18: 49
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                  Quote: Cudgel
                  Well, of course, the whole argument boiled down to itself - You have to go to the site "Made with us!" and any vsepropalschik will become a jingle-patriot and putinoid. And besides this site, we have nothing to be proud of ...

                  Who is proud of you and what is not interesting for me, you are already accustomed to judging everyone by your own experience - here it is about rations, and about sons, and about security officials ... negative
                  As you (everyone) with your stamps are already tired - and so you have forgotten to write about Kisel TV and about the TV box. negative
                  And study your sites yourself - even those that you wrote, at least another ... hi
                  As for your numbers, continue to fantasize, and besides boring you - again bureaucrats, sons, security officials - and just to work - did not try to earn money? It seems that no, but I am quite satisfied that the exact sciences have been for more than a decade, that we have the same, that over the hill, and specialists in this will be needed for a long time, laughing yes time has become less. I used to come here and in general on the Internet more often, nothing, I will survive this, you and your colleagues are already tired of it. Stalin did not please them at all, then everything disappeared, then the lady here almost has to explain the basics of military sciences ... bully
                  And you (all) have one habit - "our everything is bad, the mustache is gone", etc. etc.
                  "Comrade" is hardly about you. hi
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                    Cudgel (Dubina) 13 September 2020 23: 00
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                    Tired, so do not read my posts. I wrote my opinion, and you got into my post. I don't care about your posts, everything is about one thing, everything is fine, whoever disagrees - skakuas and other set of marginal patriots, but since you answered mine, you have to react.
                    And how do "exact sciences" feed you? And the son of the Physics Department of the Moscow State University graduated from a friend and went as an applicant to FIAN, salary - 15. Physics of the exact sciences is really the same there and here. But the attitude towards those who move the exact sciences is different.
                    You know, I work, just to stay at least at the level of previous years, I have to work hard not childishly and now up to 65 I increased the country's dependence and let the money of my fat years go down on tinsel and on my friends - the oligarchs, I, a man already at an age, have to plow even more than Papa Carlo.
                    And you, if you wish, can get three more jobs and wear a T-shirt with the inscription: "I am ready to work in three places, if only Putin rules forever!"
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                      321 (321) 14 September 2020 21: 51
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                      Tired, so do not read my posts. I wrote my opinion, and you got into my post. I don't care about your posts, everything is about one thing, everything is fine, who does not agree - skakuas and other set of marginal patriots, but since you answered mine, you have to react ...

                      Firstly, I wrote about your "team" here - as a selection ... And I personally have doubts about the fact that this is your personal opinion ...

                      Quote: Cudgel
                      ... And how do "exact sciences" feed you? And the son of the Physics Department of the Moscow State University graduated from a friend and went as an applicant to the FIAN, salary - 15. Physics of the exact sciences is really the same there and here. But the attitude towards those who move the exact sciences is different ...

                      And the guy did not try to defend himself, or even better to defend himself more than once, to write several monographs, and even years ... to study, study and study - otherwise, immediately after the end, requests are most often unusual ... And a lot more - conferences, symposia , conferences ...

                      Quote: Cudgel
                      ... and now already up to 65. And somehow I don't like it very much, that because of our mediocrity, that for 20 years and corruption I have multiplied even more and the country's dependence on raw materials has increased and the money of fat years has been spent on tinsel and on my friends - the oligarchs, I, a man already at an age, have to plow even more than Papa Carlo ...

                      Did you like EBN better? Or HMS? And if you don't know how to analyze and take measures, this is clearly NOT my problem - I have been receiving a pension for several years.

                      Quote: Cudgel
                      ... And you, if you wish, can get three more jobs and wear a T-shirt with the inscription: "I am ready to work in three places, if only Putin rules forever!"

                      Comment on your fantasies yourself - but the fact that I have not yet seen or heard good words from you about the country and not only have not yet seen or heard, my comments have caused - I am tired of thoughtless biting of everything and everything, without exception - from you!
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              A.Lex (Secret information) 13 September 2020 20: 43
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              Just about - what was required to prove! Even having removed (for camouflage) the casserole - the circular mark on the head was not masked! lol laughing laughing
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              A.Lex (Secret information) 16 September 2020 12: 31
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              And your castrule-headedness is already visible - without any evidence, and I'm not obliged to prove anything to you, except for one thing - I'm not a fan of GDP (he "-" has done a lot both in foreign policy and in domestic policy, but this is my personal look at him), but so far we haven’t got a better one, and therefore - let it be ... Let it be at least because it annoys you, the potheads, (as well as your Yankees). There will be a new leader - we will change in the elections ... And you jump further and, preferably, - higher, otherwise your masters will not reckon with you - you are working out badly cookies.
      2. Dear sofa expert. 9 September 2020 16: 26
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        So it is with 209.
        Eight were adopted in service with Turkey, they are numbered sequentially from 353 to 360

        And all of them were not 8, but 14 (!).
        And the numbering is not 353 to 360, but 347 to 360.
        The first was already written off 4 years ago, the remaining 13 are in service.
        If you are trying to pretend to be an expert, then please take the trouble to be more precise.

        Pay attention to the shooting range used by the fighters of rich organizations, such as the FSB, they have different weapons, they also have western equipment from uniforms to helmets and thermal imagers with collimators.

        Have you seen enough series on TV?
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          Cudgel (Dubina) 9 September 2020 17: 35
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          How did you feel that you will say that there are 14 of them, because there is nothing else to cover. Yes, there are 14 of them, but I was just talking about those that have entered since 1994 (I specifically mentioned this), the remaining 6 were before the 90s, and they are old, we do not take them into account.
          See what weapons they use in all sorts of competitions and what clothes they wear. And I hope you will not deny that all, absolutely all warriors who are able to afford, change their regular shoes for American Materchonra and Corcorans. And the collimators put themselves not PILADS and Zenits, but Aimpoints and Eotechi. Ship diesel engines would also be preferred by German ones, not Kolomensk ones. Well, and so on, you can enumerate for a long time, it would be more correct to say so, a countable set of Russian weapons, which are really better or at the level of the western ones - of course, both countable and limited by the number of fingers on one hand.
          1. Dear sofa expert. 9 September 2020 20: 31
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            And I hope you will not deny that all, absolutely all warriors who are able to afford, change their regular shoes for American Materchonra and Corcorans. And the collimators put themselves not PILADS and Zenits, but Aimpoints and Eotechi. Ship diesel engines would also be preferred by German ones, not Kolomensk ones. And so on.

            Not convincing)

            I will not go into details, a la .... the warriors in the Matterhorns are blown off a leg up to the knee (who knows, he will understand) .. that is not the point.

            Your examples are primitive.
            Yes, Mercedes (and BMW) are great cars. But, except for the Germans, no one else makes Mercedes (I'm not talking about the assembly, but if, then there is a Russian one).
            Neither the Americans do, nor the Canadians, nor the Swiss, nor the Dutch, nor the Japanese ....... Only Germans make Mercedes.

            What I want to say.
            There is always something that only some can do, and no one else can.

            Therefore, it is not convincing to give such examples.)

            And since we are talking about weapons, and not about decorative samples, but about combat weapons, which are not just "red with body kits", but also shoot in any conceivable and inconceivable situation, then I will tell you - the outline of the "Kalashnikov assault rifle" is recognizable not without reason all over the world, no worse than the Porshak 911 circuit.

            And if in a war I see two “trunks” lying around in the mud: for example, an old AKM and an AR15 “hung with bells and whistles”, then without hesitation, I will grab the first one.
            And you can be sure that he will not let you down.
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              Cudgel (Dubina) 13 September 2020 12: 30
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              Mercedes, it's like an analogy, well, take any western or eastern car, everything will be better than ours. This is especially true for industry or manufacturing. If there is money, everyone abandons the KAMAZs in favor of Mans and Volvo. And the domestic, agricultural equipment is exchanged for John Deere and Claes (by leasing, otherwise it is very expensive at once).
              We do not have a Western arms market, with the exception of the shooter. Otherwise, the situation would be similar.
              Yes, another good example: civil aircraft. This is where the kingdom of the western aircraft industry is. And ours, if they do fly, are all sorts of security forces and some of the bureaucrats take them, at gunpoint, of course, otherwise they would have taken Watermelons too.
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    394000 (Sergey Viktorovich) 9 September 2020 10: 47
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    Brilliant text with pleasant humor. Do not pay attention to narrow-minded and narrow-minded.
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    Inna Arutyunova (Inna Arutyunova) 10 September 2020 08: 58
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    I thank you for this article, because I admire Putin as a great politician, he just needs to take out of the game those who learned to destroy our country in the old days, then everything will quickly get better.