The end of the bureaucracy: an electronic country management system is being created in Russia


At the Army-2020 forum, among other promising domestic developments, a neural network was presented, designed to control a group of combat robots. It is obvious that the introduction of such systems will have a fruitful effect on the development of the Russian army.


However, as the developers said, the neural network they created can be used in purely civil matters. For example, in agriculture, unmanned vehicles, etc.

However, the brainchild of Russian engineers can become the basis for a larger-scale project. Thus, the general director of the RTI group of companies Pavel Laptaev, in his interview to the TASS agency, casually mentioned that Russia is actively working to create a center for managing the activities of government bodies.

It is not hard to guess that we are talking about a project begun in Soviet times to create a unified electronic system for managing the country. The latter was supposed to destroy the bureaucratic apparatus and replace "unnecessary" officials, first in routine, and then in more complex operations. Naturally, then the promising development received fierce resistance from the state apparatus, but now are different times.

Last week, Russian Prime Minister Mikhail Mishustin laid the foundation for the creation of the aforementioned system, approving the concept of developing regulation of relations in the of technologies AI and robotics until 2024. In fact, the head of government continues to do what he once did with the Federal Tax Service, only now on a national scale.

Does our country need such an initiative? Of course you do. Today we see that a person with state administration does not do well. As an example, we can cite "stalled" national projects, the costs of which in the first half of the year were fulfilled only by 35%. And this is not a pandemic. If we compare with the results of last year, we will see a similar picture.

Overall, global digitalization will help fight bureaucracy and corruption, increasing the efficiency of public spending. In fact, this is exactly what happened with the Federal Tax Service at one time.

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  1. Dmitry S. Offline
    Dmitry S. (Dmitry Sanin) 3 September 2020 10: 41
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    Other times? And then where did a minor official of the regional-scale cultural department get four deputies?
    1. olpin51 Offline
      olpin51 (Oleg Pinegin) 4 September 2020 06: 48
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      Quote: Dmitry S.
      Other times? And then where did a minor official of the regional-scale cultural department get four deputies?

      But they will not be then. Read carefully.
  2. Sergey Latyshev Offline
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 3 September 2020 11: 14
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    Wah! Well these are the prospects!
    How much money can you drink electronically! How many% can you count ... (Lukashenko is a witness).
    Then the National Projects are simply stalled, but will stall in the electronic system!
    Previously, Putin scolded for failure to comply, now he will scold the neural network .... and the Kremlin has nothing to do with it.
  3. Jarilo Offline
    Jarilo (Sergei) 3 September 2020 11: 22
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    The payback period of Power of Siberia is 2070, which is longer than the service life of the equipment. Who made the decision about the start of the project, where is the efficiency. This is pure cut. All prices are significantly overpriced, and even revised upward. All hope for AI.
    1. Digital error Offline
      Digital error (Eugene) 3 September 2020 19: 09
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      Quote: Jarilo
      All hope for AI

      AI will save you from communicating with the "appointee" - in a proactive mode.
      Do you have a complaint? The AI ​​will review it and decide that everything is done correctly. Do you have a complaint about AI? It will be reviewed by another AI from the "independent" agency and will consider that everything was correct. Will you complain to court? Please - go to the portal of public services and submit an application, and there the AI ​​will decide whether to give it a go or not. Nothing helps and you decided to change the government that passed such laws and allowed such lawlessness? You are free to vote in the next elections by electronic voting, the result of which will be taken into account by the AI ​​GAS "Elections" and will inform you of the good news. Will you go out to Red Square to protest? Androids with batons under the control of AI will explain to you that it is illegal and you need to sue by filing a statement through the portal of public services. You can watch the instructions on how to do this on your TV screen, broadcasts that must be watched every 3 hours, for non-viewing, they will take away children from an unreliable state for education, because

      Children are the most important priority of Russian state policy. The state creates conditions conducive to the all-round spiritual, moral, intellectual and physical development of children, fostering patriotism, citizenship and respect for elders in them.
    2. 123 Online
      123 (123) 4 September 2020 14: 36
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      Payback period "Power of Siberia" - 2070

      Where does such a time come from? belay Don’t share the source? hi
  4. shinobi Offline
    shinobi (Yuri) 3 September 2020 11: 57
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    Blessed is he who believes. No, I am totally in favor. But-oh-oh .....
    1. Bulanov Offline
      Bulanov (Vladimir) 3 September 2020 13: 23
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      Better for Neo from The Matrix ...
  5. Citizen Mѣshkov (Sergѣi) 3 September 2020 20: 36
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    First, they built one of the most corrupt systems in the world, and now they hope for some kind of AI that it will solve all the problems?
  6. Bitter Offline
    Bitter (Gleb) 3 September 2020 22: 06
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    Artificial intelligence at the service of the Russian bureaucracy. laughing good

    As an example, we can cite the "stalled" national projects, the costs of which in the first half of the year were fulfilled only by 35%.

    And who will press all these buttons in the electronic control system? Probably "AI" or IA? People should work first of all, and all this electronic tinsel is good in moderation and not everywhere.
    Certain processes can, of course, be accelerated. This will not frighten the bureaucracy in any way, and it will be easier for any ruling organizations to track their citizens. Habits, movements, moods, tastes, attitudes and other profiles, of course, taxes and expenses. what
  7. olpin51 Offline
    olpin51 (Oleg Pinegin) 4 September 2020 06: 50
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    Quote: Sergey Latyshev
    Wah! Well these are the prospects!
    How much money can you drink electronically! How many% can you count ... (Lukashenko is a witness).
    Then the National Projects are simply stalled, but will stall in the electronic system!
    Previously, Putin scolded for failure to comply, now he will scold the neural network .... and the Kremlin has nothing to do with it.

    It won't work electronically. Everything is in sight for review and rightly so.
  8. olpin51 Offline
    olpin51 (Oleg Pinegin) 4 September 2020 06: 54
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    How it was destroyed in the USSR - I saw it myself - I had to successfully master another place of work. I really want these undertakings to be brought to their logical conclusion.
  9. olpin51 Offline
    olpin51 (Oleg Pinegin) 4 September 2020 07: 21
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    Quote: Bitter
    Artificial intelligence at the service of the Russian bureaucracy. laughing good
    As an example, we can cite the "stalled" national projects, the costs of which in the first half of the year were fulfilled only by 35%.

    And who will press all these buttons in the electronic control system? Probably "AI" or IA? People should work first of all, and all this electronic tinsel is good in moderation and not everywhere.
    Certain processes can, of course, be accelerated. This will not frighten the bureaucracy in any way, and it will be easier for any ruling organizations to track their citizens. Habits, movements, moods, tastes, attitudes and other profiles, of course, taxes and expenses. what

    Oooh ..... What an ancient idea of ​​an automated control system. This is not about citizens "who will be monitored." And about the organization of the control system. Officials, naturally, cannot grasp with their clever minds all the tasks that fall on them for the simultaneous "digestion". Well, they don't have that level of multitasking. Not that fools, just brains are not able to cover everything, and, as you know, there are only a few geniuses in our country. Recently, in my opinion, not at all. And this will be taken over by the ACS, as it is now fashionable to say "artificial intelligence". Will prompt, show, and somewhere and directly take control.
    1. Bitter Offline
      Bitter (Gleb) 4 September 2020 10: 04
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      not about citizens "who will be tracked"

      Maybe it was not conceived, but the execution may well go in that direction. Especially when it comes to, for example, finances or simply the desire to receive "a little" more information to achieve certain goals, commercial or political.

      Officials, naturally, cannot grasp with their clever minds all the tasks that fall on them for the simultaneous "digestion". Well, they don't have that level of multitasking.

      To control the execution of tasks, there are various departments, sub-departments, assistants, advisers, and a whole bunch of people working there and regularly reporting to their "helmsman" about the solution and promotion of certain initiatives and processes. If an official is not interested in this or that process, then he will not accept this speaker, he will not hear, or his report will lie in the farthest corner. You can do the same with electronics, it will take a little time and the smallest clerk will learn to gracefully use the "human factor" of AI. To some extent, this is already the Russian national sport of some citizens and officials, to find loopholes, seek "reserves" and build schemes bypassing existing norms and laws.
      ACS and AI systems are different but overlapping technologies.
  10. olpin51 Offline
    olpin51 (Oleg Pinegin) 4 September 2020 07: 28
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    Quote: Sergey Latyshev
    Wah! Well these are the prospects!
    How much money can you drink electronically! How many% can you count ... (Lukashenko is a witness).
    Then the National Projects are simply stalled, but will stall in the electronic system!
    Previously, Putin scolded for failure to comply, now he will scold the neural network .... and the Kremlin has nothing to do with it.

    You won't drink anymore. That is why in the USSR and "hacked" this direction, and much more. If it were not for ....., then the country would not be in catching up, but in the leading positions now. I am convinced.
  11. olpin51 Offline
    olpin51 (Oleg Pinegin) 4 September 2020 14: 38
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    And who will press all these buttons in the electronic control system? Probably "AI" or IA?

    The fact that it will be AI is unlikely, but the ACS is quite real.
    1. Bitter Offline
      Bitter (Gleb) 5 September 2020 12: 57
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      I wonder how the automatic control system for the construction of a bridge or pipeline will look like. Automatic systems for collecting money from citizens and businesses, it is more realistic, up to the cancellation of cash. And also automatic systems for collecting information, and any. Why, it doesn't matter, the main thing is to get it. And there is an application, in extreme cases, it can be sold.
  12. olpin51 Offline
    olpin51 (Oleg Pinegin) 4 September 2020 14: 45
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    Quote: Bitter
    To control the execution of tasks, there are various departments, sub-departments, assistants, advisers, and a whole bunch of people working there and regularly reporting to their "helmsman" about the solution and promotion of certain initiatives and processes.

    Here, that's exactly a whole bunch of people. This human factor also slows down. And the leader still needs to comprehend that this "heap" has spawned and whether it is correct. A typical example of multitasking.
    1. Bitter Offline
      Bitter (Gleb) 5 September 2020 13: 16
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      ... it is also necessary to comprehend what it is ...

      The fact of the matter is that people work on earth, and there the possibility of various exceptional situations is very dynamic and often requires human comprehension and a possible change in priorities in algorithms. But it is also possible to press the "lever" of achieving the goal in a general manner without understanding the real consequences. The main thing is that no one will be "not guilty" - this is the ACS so evil, and "nasyalnika" - he just so that he was. The celestials are separated from the people by electronic networks and fences. But there will be enough space for the exploits of the people and awards for the ACS of managers.
  13. Sapsan136 Offline
    Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 4 September 2020 17: 53
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    The electronic system will work as it was set up, but there is no one to set it up normally, because the current ministers, even before withdrawing the gastric tablets Ranitidine from sale, did not have enough intelligence to supply pharmacies with a replacement.
    1. Bitter Offline
      Bitter (Gleb) 5 September 2020 13: 46
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      will work as configured ...

      That's right, sometimes it seems that buying a car and replacing imperfect people is easier and cheaper than setting them up for the conscientious performance of their duties. But the machines themselves will not be able to measure the required parameters and load themselves with information, this is also done by people.

      ... before withdrawing ...
      ... to supply ...

      You would think that the ACS could have prevented this? This is, if not sabotage, then exactly negligence and disregard for work and people. After all, one could first supply, and then withdraw or replace. So, the algorithms of the Duma legislators and ministers also need to be replaced with an automated control system, so there will be only Putin, Mishustin, a couple of bankers and an automated control system in the country. good
  14. olpin51 Offline
    olpin51 (Oleg Pinegin) 5 September 2020 19: 06
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    Quote: Bitter
    I wonder how the automatic control system for the construction of a bridge or pipeline will look like. Automatic systems for collecting money from citizens and businesses, it is more realistic, up to the cancellation of cash.

    ACS is not intended for such purposes, however. A smart or intelligent leader will be able to cope with these tasks. But when, for example, they decided to build five bridges in some places and it is necessary to assess all the possible and impossible consequences of such actions, both economic and environmental, and in the future, and in aggregate, and how to build - all at once, or sequentially , and how if consistently and ........ This problem is already from the theory of complex systems and a whole institute should work for it, if there is no ACS that can calculate all the probabilities.
  15. olpin51 Offline
    olpin51 (Oleg Pinegin) 5 September 2020 19: 10
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    Quote: Bitter
    automatic data collection systems,

    This has already been applied since the days of the USSR. Long.
    Although, it may have already ruined everything. I don't know now.
  16. olpin51 Offline
    olpin51 (Oleg Pinegin) 5 September 2020 19: 18
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    But the machines themselves will not be able to measure the required parameters and load themselves with information, this is also done by people.

    As much as they can. For some reason, they (in the West, or in the East) can, but we do not, or something.
  17. Nikolay Malyugin (Nikolai Malyugin) 12 September 2020 09: 09
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    So far, artificial intelligence is working under human supervision. Tesla's drone accident was attributed to the inattention of a person sitting in this car. Our influence in digital informatics can already be recognized by the hardware on which we write comments. The era of a new electronic colonial oppression is coming. And this will not be our participation.