Jacob Kedmi: Russia was the first to create a vaccine because of the difference in moral approaches

August 18 2020 35

Given the difference in moral approaches, Russia took financial risks and was able to create a vaccine against COVID-19 before the West, which caused disapproval. This was announced on the air of the Israeli ITON.TV by the militarypolitical expert, ex-head of the Nativ special service Yakov Kedmi.

The expert noted that Sputnik V is the first vaccine of its kind in the world. He noticed that the West extremely nervous considered the latest development of Russian specialists. At the same time, Russia promised to transfer the formula of the coronavirus vaccine to any country for free, which broke the arguments of the skeptics.

Kedmi explained that the West took another achievement of the Russians hard. There it is compared to the defeat of the United States by the USSR in the space race. It is simply unthinkable for the Western mentality that some “Ivans” could overtake the “advanced” countries of Europe and the United States.

Russia needs the vaccine not for the sake of prestige, but for the vaccination of its own population. No one in the West wrote about how the Russian Federation copes with the infection. Not a single word of truth. Did anyone write about the fact that almost every fourth was tested, about the number of hospitals built, about five vaccines created? Not

- pointed out Kedmi.

The expert clarified that the painful reaction to the Russian vaccine in Western countries is also caused by the difference in approaches in medicine and pharmaceuticals. For the "civilized" USA and Europe, the main thing is maximum profitability, and in Russia - people's health. Therefore, in the West, medicines are much more expensive than in Russia, because Moscow approaches this issue differently.

In Russia, another economy, another calculation. I do not think that Russian pharmaceutical companies will see this as a means of enrichment, since the vaccine will pay off three times when the economy recovers

- summed up Kedmi.

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Alexzn

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18 August 2020 10: 29

A set of controversial statements and half-truths.
Yes, the moral component in Russia's actions is higher than in the West, but this does not mean that it is not there. On the other hand, it is foolish to assume that Russia's actions are completely disinterested (I write without condemnation), and the West is guided only by selfishness.
The concepts are being replaced - created and registered. Today there are about a dozen vaccines that are not registered for various reasons, incl. strict rules for drug registration. The Russian vaccine has not yet been registered within the framework of WHO, the drug has received a TEMPORARY registration in an emergency. Most likely, this is the right decision, the war will show.
Will the Russian vaccine be better than others? We'll see. Maybe we'll never know. Conquering the market does not always mean being the best, especially when it is difficult to determine the evaluation criteria.
The vaccine today is not only and not so much economics as politics.
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  18 August 2020 10: 50
  
  The vaccine today is not only and not so much economics as politics
  
  The statement is rather controversial, the negative impact of the pandemic on the economy cannot be denied. So, rather, the combination of "business with pleasure"
  1. Bulanov
    
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    18 August 2020 11: 08
    
    The question is, who is the first EU country to turn to Russia for a new vaccine? I suppose it could be Italians. After all, Rome is the "grandfather" of the Third Rome! Who, if not your own grandfather, can you help with treatment?
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      18 August 2020 11: 23
      
      I don't exclude Hungary and Austria. As for the grandfather .... he is old, he needs care. Maybe take him home?
2. Kuzmich Sibiryakov
  
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  20 August 2020 11: 15
  
  Quote: AlexZN
  A set of controversial statements and half-truths.
  Yes, the moral component in Russia's actions is higher than in the West, but this does not mean that it is not there. On the other hand, it is foolish to assume that Russia's actions are completely disinterested (I write without condemnation), and the West is guided only by selfishness.
  The concepts are being replaced - created and registered. Today there are about a dozen vaccines that are not registered for various reasons, incl. strict rules for drug registration. The Russian vaccine has not yet been registered within the framework of WHO, the drug has received a TEMPORARY registration in an emergency. Most likely, this is the right decision, the war will show.
  Will the Russian vaccine be better than others? We'll see. Maybe we'll never know. Conquering the market does not always mean being the best, especially when it is difficult to determine the evaluation criteria.
  The vaccine today is not only and not so much economics as politics.
  
  A set of completely false statements. This means that Russia registered TEMPORARILY, but the democratic regimes failed? Or didn't you want to? The morals of one and the other can be traced to other facts - the case with democratically taken away masks sent for others. A statement from a shaggy madman that they will give the vaccine of choice - only who needs it, and a statement about free transfer of the formula to everyone? Not giving out the vaccine itself for free is beyond our powers, and it would be a lie, but honest assistance, and let everyone have the opportunity to organize the production.
  You deliberately interfere with everything in a heap, leveling some to the level of the ugliness of others. Didn't learn how to separate flies from cutlets?
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Alexzn

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18 August 2020 11: 13

Quote: 123
The vaccine today is not only and not so much economics as politics

The statement is quite controversial, the negative impact of the pandemic on the economy cannot be denied. So, rather, combining "business with pleasure"

I will clarify - the implementation of the vaccine itself.
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  18 August 2020 11: 27
  
  I will clarify - the implementation of the vaccine itself
  
  In the foreign market - no doubt, unless there are serious economic interests there.
  
  Politics is a concentrated expression of the economy
  1. g1washntwn
    
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    18 August 2020 13: 28
    
    Quote: 123
    There is no doubt in the foreign market, unless there are serious economic interests there.
    
    And Yakov is talking about the moral side of the issue. This is not about the seizure of the market, Russia was the first to announce the creation and FREE TRANSFER OF TECHNOLOGY to others. All "businessmen" who are trying to make money on the global crisis with covid (including buying up lots of drugs in Germany or trying to lure out pharmaceutical specialists) automatically fall into the category of "greedy, voracious capitalists," as they used to say earlier. And now try to hint about profit and payback, first the image, and then the stock price will roll. Therefore, everyone there was somehow sharply depressed and they are in no hurry to put Trump's early statements next to the news about the Russian vaccine.
    Here, after all, whoever extended a helping hand is a hero and a fine fellow, and the rest are "such bastards", they only filmed all this with an iPhone from the shore and waited for a "funny shot" when both would fall back into the water.
Sergey Latyshev

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18 August 2020 12: 16

Everything seems to be right.
They wrote that they tested vaccines quite successfully in China, France, Germany.
But they did not register, it seems, insufficiently high efficiency. Or the tests did not have time, they have to be tested for a long time according to the standard rules.
1. g1washntwn
  
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  18 August 2020 13: 08
  
  Scene 34. The Titanic is sinking. People are rushing to the boats, the crowd is crushing, people are falling into the water. Shout announcement:
  
  - Selling places in boats! Not cheap, but the places are correct and meet Western standards! And the lifebuoys that are thrown into the water for free ... are somehow wrong ... Do not rely on them and your lifejackets! Only $ 5000! Last places! Hurry up to buy a souvenir iceberg shard - as a gift!
  1. Sergey Latyshev
    
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    18 August 2020 13: 45
    
    That's right, that's right. This is what China will do.
    1. g1washntwn
      
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      18 August 2020 14: 59
      
      And what to immediately look for the guilty on the side? So far, we have Trump's speech that the United States has gained 90% control over the drug from Covid-19 (this is, most likely, about untested Remdesivir) and de facto, the problems of the rest do not bother her. And Russia, on the contrary, announced that we will distribute to everyone and produce without licenses. It looks contrasting, don't you notice?
      1. Sergey Latyshev
        
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        18 August 2020 15: 25
        
        What is this all about?
        And if in response to the forehead, then in contrast, I notice, etc., etc.
        
        Kuzmich Sibiryakov
        
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        20 August 2020 11: 20
        
        Quote: Sergey Latyshev
        What is this all about?
        And if in response to the forehead, then in contrast, I notice, etc., etc.
        
        The remnants of your clever say that you cannot agree with the obvious. Fired from work.
Alexzn

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18 August 2020 13: 37

I think Trump will report on the vaccine closer to the elections, in a month or two. At least somehow smooth out the failure of the crown policy. In parallel, the British will announce. China, France and Israel will follow. By early next year, most at-risk citizens of developed countries are likely to be vaccinated.
We are waiting.
Cyril

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18 August 2020 15: 18

Russia was the first to present a vaccine, so to speak, "for sale" without completing the full cycle of its tests. Naturally, it will be faster. It was just that the last stage of testing was transferred from the laboratory to the fields.

And here is this statement:

For the "civilized" USA and Europe, the main thing is maximum profitability, and in Russia - people's health. Therefore, in the West, drugs are much more expensive than in Russia, because Moscow approaches this issue differently.

- generally from the category of stupid. Russian pharmaceutical companies are just as interested in profit as Western ones.
1. g1washntwn
  
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  19 August 2020 06: 43
  
  Quote: Cyril
  Russian pharmaceutical companies are just as interested in profit as Western ones.
  
  And where today without her? Profit should be the main source of business development (not a way to pay for a yacht in Dahab). But! In an emergency situation, a completely different method of state influence on businessmen begins to work, the "free market" is told to wait on the sidelines while the emergency economy is working. The regime of democracy and speculative lawlessness is temporarily paused and (oh, horror!) "Undemocratic, usurpatory" methods of directive management of those sectors of the economy that are associated with the elimination of emergency situations are switched on. It's like, for example, you do an operation and suddenly something goes wrong, counting for seconds ... how do you think the surgeon will go to the one-hour consultation or take everything upon himself and even try an experimental technique to save the patient's life? Therefore, let's keep quiet about profit and "the ranks of the stupid", because if in the above scene they start taking you out of anesthesia in order to clarify whether you agree to unverified ways of saving you and, most importantly, whether you have enough money for this, everything will end for you 99% likely not fun at all.
  And about the danger of unverified drugs, just read on any verified list of side effects and contraindications.
  1. Cyril
    
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    19 August 2020 07: 47
    
    But! In an emergency situation, a completely different method of state influence on businessmen begins to work, the "free market" is told to wait on the sidelines while the emergency economy is working. The regime of democracy and speculative lawlessness is temporarily paused and (oh, horror!) "Undemocratic, usurpatory" methods of directive management of those sectors of the economy that are associated with the elimination of emergency situations are switched on.
    
    In the passage I quoted earlier, it says something completely different :) Read more carefully.
    
    And about the danger of unverified drugs, just read on any verified list of side effects and contraindications.
    
    The list of side effects and contraindications is exactly the result of a FULL cycle of tests. If not carried out, this list is not exactly known. As a result, launching an untested drug into mass use, you do not know what side effects and contraindications will come out into the light of day even when it is used directly by people.
    1. g1washntwn
      
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      19 August 2020 08: 17
      
      Quote: Cyril
      If not carried out, this list is not exactly known.
      
      When a bicycle is invented, everyone knows that its wheels are likely to be round, and the consequences of falling from it are similar to those previously invented heavier than air devices. This is about the Russian vaccine.
      But there are, for example, constantly updated sanitary standards, ICAO requirements, "incorruptible WADA" and so on and so forth ... that were hatched with one goal - to protect their own business from competition. Therefore, I am not surprised at how the media are pumped up about the "wrong Russian vaccine" and even less surprised if the WHO comes up with another fad tomorrow, according to which it will be blocked.
      1. Cyril
        
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        20 August 2020 14: 57
        
        When a bicycle is invented, everyone knows that its wheels are likely to be round, and the consequences of falling from it are similar to those previously invented heavier than air devices. This is about the Russian vaccine.
        
        False analogy. The properties (and risks) of a bicycle can be made up at least from its appearance, that is, to get the simple idea that a two-wheeled vehicle is unstable, for example.
        
        A vaccine is not a vehicle, it is a solution with microscopic organisms or their marker proteins. By its appearance, you will not understand anything. We need testing.
        
        Therefore, I am not surprised at how the media are pumped up about the "wrong Russian vaccine" and I will be even less surprised if the WHO comes up with another fad tomorrow, according to which it will be blocked.
        
        They do not pump up, but warn against the use of a potentially dangerous medication that has not passed the cycle of standard tests adopted by the WHO - which, by the way, includes Russia.
        
        g1washntwn
        
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        21 August 2020 06: 42
        
        Sophistry. Every day you eat trillions of genetically modified organisms of different types, which are not indicated on the labels at all. AND? I don't see any warnings from the word at all, because the media is an instrument of influence + just like that, even flies will not be born = deliberate injection. In practice, the United States also has many places where it is located, but it only observes where it is beneficial for them and builds protective barriers for the same reason. I predict that the United States will not let the Russian vaccine into its territory, or will sell its own on the principle of the same F-35 - the money for the development must be ripped off from buyers, not to pay at the expense of the State, in fact ... And if there is only visibility inventions, and the stolen / poached / overbought Russian vaccine technology will go for sale, it is generally chocolate, and for the development of money in your pocket, and for the difference in price there.
        
        Cyril
        
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        21 August 2020 12: 39
        
        Every day you eat trillions of genetically modified organisms of different types, which are not indicated on the labels at all.
        
        False. All genetically modified food, firstly, is labeled, and secondly, before being released on the market, it undergoes a full cycle of tests and receives approval from state regulatory authorities.
        
        I predict that the United States will not allow the Russian vaccine to enter its territory
        
        Until she passes the FDA check, of course, they won't be allowed. Likewise, they will not be allowed on their own market and their vaccine until it receives FDA approval.
        
        And if there is only the semblance of invention, and the stolen / poached / overbought Russian vaccine technology will go for sale
        
        Why would they steal / lure / outbid the Russian vaccine if they are already testing their own? Moreover, in the development of the US pharmaceutical industry, our country is so far ahead.
        
        g1washntwn
        
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        21 August 2020 13: 47
        
        Quote: Cyril
        All genetically modified food is firstly labeled
        
        Life is easy for incorrigible optimists)))
        
        Quote: Cyril
        Likewise, they will not be allowed on their own market and their vaccine until it receives FDA approval.
        
        Especially if it is or not, or the technology is so complicated that it takes another 5 years for a full cycle. Therefore, it is easier and more profitable ...
        
        Quote: Cyril
        steal / entice / outbid
        
        But I worry not so much about the domestic market of the USA, but about the countries that cannot afford their own development. And then everything becomes very similar to Nord Stream 2, but what is at stake is not the warm butts of Europeans, but the lives of people, many of whom simply cannot afford the "correct" vaccination. WHO will crawl with permission as much as Americans need to cram the millions of doses they need onto the world market. And the flag is in their hands - if a country decides to conduct its own research or not wait for approval from pocket Western laboratories, then Russia will provide production technology without restrictions. The goods are supplied by AS IS, no one will stab you by force. But we have ALREADY shown to the West our ability to resist the use of bacteriological weapons against us, we noticed this, and this is also an important aspect.
        
        Cyril
        
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        21 August 2020 16: 04
        
        Life is easy for incorrigible optimists)))
        
        Give an example of the opposite as evidence.
        
        Especially if it is or not, or the technology is so complicated that it takes another 5 years for a full cycle. Therefore, it is easier and more profitable ...
        
        This is your speculation. They are developing their own vaccine.
        
        But we have ALREADY shown to the West our ability to resist the use of bacteriological weapons against us, we noticed this, and this is also not an unimportant aspect.
        
        This is when the West used biological weapons against Russia? Oh ..
        
        g1washntwn
        
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        24 August 2020 11: 46
        
        Quote: Cyril
        This is when the West used biological weapons against Russia?
        
        As an elementary example and the answer immediately and to your first question - gmosh "Bush's legs".
        And what kind of long-playing rubbish is being rained today is generally unclear, we are not Drosophila ... cellular communication does not cause cancer, food additives are safe, etc.
        
        Cyril
        
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        24 August 2020 12: 52
        
        You have collected in one comment all the most colorful, but absolutely unscientific myths, congratulations :)
  2. Alexzn
    
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    19 August 2020 07: 58
    
    I almost agree. A state with a high level of influence on the economy, society (socialism, state capitalism) in an emergency situation is more effective than classical democracies. The powerful United States was less suited to even such a challenge as the crown than countries with modest resources.
    To what extent the Russian vaccine will be available, but the Western will not - we'll see. Very likely. The moral component in the Russian case is certainly higher. Even on a personal level, the behavior of Putin and Trump amid the pandemic are two big differences.
    1. Cyril
      
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      21 August 2020 16: 10
      
      A state with a high level of influence on the economy, society (socialism, state capitalism) in an emergency situation is more effective than classical democracies.
      
      This is a common misconception.
2. Kuzmich Sibiryakov
  
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  20 August 2020 11: 38
  
  Quote: Cyril
  Russia was the first to present a vaccine, so to speak, "for sale" without completing the full cycle of its tests. Naturally, it will be faster. It was just that the last stage of testing was transferred from the laboratory to the fields.
  
  And here is this statement:
  
  For the "civilized" USA and Europe, the main thing is maximum profitability, and in Russia - people's health. Therefore, in the West, drugs are much more expensive than in Russia, because Moscow approaches this issue differently.
  
  - generally from the category of stupid. Russian pharmaceutical companies are just as interested in profit as Western ones.
  
  You were just programmed to lie. No country behaves as conservatively with innovations in the field of medicine as the USSR and Russia.
KYYC

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19 August 2020 19: 58

What if this mutated gene vaccine will be the beginning of a zombie apocalypse?
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  1. KYYC
    
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    20 August 2020 13: 26
    
    I am a Russian and I root for my state. But the vaccine is being made very hastily.
    Perhaps a mutagen-protein can change - mutate a person, if this has not been verified for years 1-3 g.
    1. Kuzmich Sibiryakov
      
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      20 August 2020 17: 29
      
      Quote: KYYC
      I am a Russian and I root for my state. But the vaccine is being made very hastily.
      Perhaps a mutagen-protein can change - mutate a person, if this has not been verified for years 1-3 g.
      
      Wait with a choice - a possible complication in the future, and an almost unconditional illness with an unclear result. This is your choice. Leave the choice to the rest. The production of antibodies is the work of the organism itself, not something brought in from the outside. External exposure only initiates the birth of immunity. Millions of years of evolution, a jumble of protein attacks, and man is still alive. A vivid example of the inseparability of good from evil. A small evil can protect against a big one.
    2. g1washntwn
      
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      21 August 2020 10: 52
      
      Foreign cells, mutated for various reasons, enter the body every day. In addition, against the zombie virus, the mask mode for the bitten will be enough, the masks only need to be sewn more tightly. They will no longer be able to bite, and they will not guess to take off the mask with their limp brain.
Alexzn

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20 August 2020 12: 25

Quote: Kuzmich Sibiryakov
Quote: AlexZN
A set of controversial statements and half-truths.
Yes, the moral component in Russia's actions is higher than in the West, but this does not mean that it is not there. On the other hand, it is foolish to assume that Russia's actions are completely disinterested (I write without condemnation), and the West is guided only by selfishness.
The concepts are being replaced - created and registered. Today there are about a dozen vaccines that are not registered for various reasons, incl. strict rules for drug registration. The Russian vaccine has not yet been registered within the framework of WHO, the drug has received a TEMPORARY registration in an emergency. Most likely, this is the right decision, the war will show.
Will the Russian vaccine be better than others? We'll see. Maybe we'll never know. Conquering the market does not always mean being the best, especially when it is difficult to determine the evaluation criteria.
The vaccine today is not only and not so much economics as politics.

A set of completely false statements. This means that Russia registered TEMPORARILY, but the democratic regimes failed? Or didn't you want to? The morals of one and the other can be traced to other facts - the case with democratically taken away masks sent for others. A statement from a shaggy madman that they will give the vaccine of choice - only who needs it, and a statement about free transfer of the formula to everyone? Not giving out the vaccine itself for free is beyond our powers, and it would be a lie, but honest assistance, and let everyone have the opportunity to organize the production.
You deliberately mix everything in a heap, leveling some to the level of the ugliness of others. Didn't learn how to separate flies from cutlets? Are you eating everything? Come on, but alone.

Does your writing have a meaning? Has something to do with what I wrote? Did you try to understand what was written? Need to get excited before realizing what is written? Oh well...
Alexzn

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21 August 2020 17: 48

Quote: Cyril
A state with a high level of influence on the economy, society (socialism, state capitalism) in an emergency situation is more effective than classical democracies.

This is a common misconception.

This is a fact confirmed by social practice. Moreover, this condition is not sufficient. There are many countries with a high level of state influence, but absolutely failures (the same Venezuela).