Israel is ready for battle: what is behind the development of the destruction of the S-400 air defense system


On October 18 this year, the UN Security Council embargo on arms supplies to Iran may expire. If the United States does not provide for an extension of the ban (which, however, looks unlikely), the Islamic Republic will be able to acquire new modern weapons from Moscow and Beijing. Given this possibility, Israel is conducting exercises to practice the destruction of the Russian S-400 air defense system. Breaking Defense writes about it.


On August 2, the United States and Israel conducted a second Enduring Lightning exercise aimed at improving the air and ground strike capabilities of the fifth generation F-35 fighter. Israeli F-35Is trained alongside American F-35A from the 421st Expeditionary Fighter Squadron, supported by the Israel Air Force Nachshon guidance and control aircraft. During the exercise, the response to ground-to-air threats was practiced - this made it possible to improve the quality of destruction of a complex air defense system and enemy fighters before attacking ground targets.

The Enduring Lightning II scenario accurately reflects what American and Israeli pilots might face in battle if Tehran buys new air defenses and fighter aircraft from Moscow or Beijing. The F-35 will have to be able to successfully counter Iranian anti-aircraft systems to facilitate direct or remote strikes against ground targets.

The concern of Israel and its allies about Iran's growing military capabilities is well founded. Iran has already invested in modernized Russian air defense systems such as the S-300. In 2019, Tehran also planned to acquire the S-400, which was refused by Moscow. But if the arms embargo is suspended, Russia will be able to sell Iran the most advanced air defense systems, as well as fighters and other weapons systems.

The Kremlin will surely find an active buyer in Tehran. Iranian Foreign Minister Mohammad Zarif visited Moscow twice in July 2020, and Iranian Ambassador Qasem Jalali bluntly stated that the country is seeking to "strengthen its defense potential" by purchasing weapons from Moscow.

Iranian President Hassan Rouhani has called on Russia and China to counter US efforts to extend the arms embargo. All of this makes the Enduring Lightning II military exercise and other similar maneuvers more important than ever. Perhaps the UAE will also take part in the next exercises of the United States and Israel.
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  1. Bulanov Offline
    Bulanov (Vladimir) 17 August 2020 11: 30
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    The Russian Federation can sell weapons to Iran in defiance of Israel, if only because Israel supplies weapons to Ukraine, which claims to be at war with Russia.
    1. Vladimir Tuzakov (Vladimir Tuzakov) 17 August 2020 12: 24
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      Israel imposes its own rules of the game, air strikes from afar. So they can impose their own rules on Israel, hitting airfields and other military facilities ... The Iranians' cup of patience has already been filled ... Moscow Khazaria ...
    2. Alexzn Offline
      Alexzn (Alexander) 17 August 2020 12: 50
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      Quote: Bulanov
      The Russian Federation can sell weapons to Iran in defiance of Israel, if only because Israel supplies weapons to Ukraine, which claims to be at war with Russia.

      Doing anything against it is the stupidest policy. Ukraine does not seem to use the purchased weapons against Russia. Or is there something we don't know? If it is in Russia's interests to supply missile weapons to Iran, then no one will prohibit it from doing this after the embargo expires. The question is - how much does Russia need it? Feeding an ISLAMIC country in the hope that it will only bite your enemies is naive.
      To see a friend in Iran and an enemy in Israel is no longer naive, it is stupid.
      1. Bulanov Offline
        Bulanov (Vladimir) 17 August 2020 13: 13
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        Ukraine does not seem to use the purchased weapons against Russia.

        I repeat:

        Israel supplies arms to Ukraine, which claims to be at war with Russia.

        The US is also not at war with Russia. Why, then, is Russia concerned about American missiles in Romania and Poland? Or is there something we don't know?
        The question is - how much does Israel need it? It is naive to feed a country that praises the Bandera who killed Jews in the hope that it would only bite your enemies.
        1. Michael1950 Offline
          Michael1950 (Michael) 18 August 2020 10: 13
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          Well, you might think that Israel is selling Ukraine some kind of super-duper systems that can change the balance of power ?! Something about little things and "second freshness" ...
      2. Netyn Offline
        Netyn (Netyn) 21 August 2020 11: 02
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        Quote: AlexZN
        If it is in Russia's interests to supply missile weapons to Iran

        Iran does not need missile weapons.
        But complex air defense systems for near-medium-long range zones, aviation, electronic warfare, tanks, TFRs and frigates - yes.
  2. Satellite Offline
    Satellite (Satellite) 17 August 2020 12: 51
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    If Tehran buys new air defenses and fighter aircraft from Moscow or Beijing, the F-35 will have to be able to successfully counter Iranian anti-aircraft systems to facilitate direct or remote attacks on ground targets.

    Yes, but if these "air defense systems" are located on the territory of Iran, then they will be inaccessible to delivering remote strikes (as they do from the territory of Lebanon). And for a direct strike, the Israelis would first have to overcome the air defenses of Syria or Iraq. Or does someone believe that these two states will silently contemplate the passage of missiles, or planes flying with missiles over their territory?
    This idea looks somehow poorly implemented.
    1. Binder Offline
      Binder (Miron) 17 August 2020 16: 52
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      Quote: Satellite
      This idea looks somehow poorly implemented.

      In the airspace of Syria, the Israelis fly as at home, the same can be said about the skies of Iraq. Well, like the icing on the cake - over the territory of Iran, apparently, Israeli planes also flew repeatedly, although the Persian air defenses were not found. wassat
      1. Satellite Offline
        Satellite (Satellite) 17 August 2020 17: 38
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        In the airspace of Syria, the Israelis fly as at home, the same can be said about the skies of Iraq.

        I also speak. The factor of surprise, as when a rocket is launched from the airspace of a neutral country (Lebanon), will no longer work.
        Your aircraft will be monitored throughout the flight over the enemy state, and your coordinates will be recorded and transmitted further.
        Yes, and your intentions will no longer raise questions from anyone. That is, you will already be greeted there as "dear guests."
        And your couch bravado, unfortunately, does not bring any benefit to the Israeli pilot.
        But what do you want, huh? You're not going to risk your skin there? So you can sit back and eat your cherries. Just don't choke on the bone.)
        1. Binder Offline
          Binder (Miron) 17 August 2020 18: 02
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          Quote: Satellite
          Unfortunately, it does not bring any benefit to the Israeli pilot.

          I am very surprised by your concern for the pilots of the Israeli Air Force. In this regard, I would like to note that Israel highly values ​​the lives of its servicemen and always does everything possible and impossible in order to minimize risks.
          1. Satellite Offline
            Satellite (Satellite) 17 August 2020 18: 12
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            I am very surprised by your concern for the pilots of the Israeli Air Force.

            I do not and have never had problems with Jews, just like Russians in general with Israelis.
            Problems are created artificially, in stupid languages, like yours. People like you are hiding behind an Israeli passport, but because of this passport, your Ukrainian-Maidan face still peeps out.)
            1. Binder Offline
              Binder (Miron) 17 August 2020 21: 36
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              With all due respect to the Ukrainian people, I have to say that I do not side with him, except that I also like to eat vodka with bacon. And your xenophobia is exclusively your problem.
        2. Alexzn Offline
          Alexzn (Alexander) 17 August 2020 18: 14
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          Call Lebanon a neutral country ... Do you have any idea of ​​the Middle East conflicts? The interchange between Lebanon and Syria in civil wars is apparently not known to you. By the way, Lebanon is also at war with Israel.
          How, if necessary, our planes will attack objects in Iran, we will figure it out, do not worry.
          1. Satellite Offline
            Satellite (Satellite) 17 August 2020 18: 42
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            Call Lebanon a neutral country ... Do you have any idea of ​​the Middle East conflicts? The interchange between Lebanon and Syria in civil wars is apparently not known to you. By the way, Lebanon is also at war with Israel.

            Speaking about neutral Lebanon, I did not mean neutrality with Israel.
            What Israel allows itself will remain on the conscience and in the area of ​​responsibility of Israel itself. This is not what we are talking about now.
            I meant Lebanon's neutrality with Syria and other states. Syria, not being in a state of war with Lebanon, cannot afford to shoot down any flying objects in its airspace. In international practice, this would be tantamount to declaring war.

            How, if necessary, our planes will attack objects in Iran, we will figure it out, do not worry.

            Do what you see fit. This is your business. Nobody will solve your problems for you.
            And there is no one to worry about you either, and there is no need.
            The conversation was on the topic of the article.
            I only expressed my personal doubt about the reality of the Israelis' statements. No more, no less.
        3. Danila46 Online
          Danila46 (Daniel) 19 August 2020 00: 54
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          Wow, how tough! You are undoubtedly right! To fly to Iran via Syria and Iraq is too risky and problematic. But through the UAE it will be easier. You probably don't know yet. These two countries sign a peace treaty with all the consequences ... The issue has been resolved and the place of signature is the White House. In this situation, in order for the Israelis to fly to Iran, not only will they not have to hide, there will also be a jump airfield ...
          1. Satellite Offline
            Satellite (Satellite) 19 August 2020 01: 28
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            So you have to fly there too. Through Saudi Arabia, as I understand it? And Saudi Arabia currently has no official diplomatic ties with Israel.
            1. Danila46 Online
              Danila46 (Daniel) 19 August 2020 09: 48
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              I think that some Sunni Bedouins will agree with other Sunni Bedouins so that the Jews beat their very "beloved" Shiites ...
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                Satellite (Satellite) 19 August 2020 10: 16
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                I think that some Sunni Bedouins will agree with other Sunni Bedouins so that the Jews beat their very "beloved" Shiites ...

                Oh, do not be under the delusion that because of the Jews, two Muslim streams will begin to fight.
                They can still unite (for a while) in order to smash you (for them - the infidels) to smithereens.
                By the way, according to the official version, it was the Saudis, the US allies, who participated in the "dismantling" of the twin towers in 2001.
                1. Danila46 Online
                  Danila46 (Daniel) 19 August 2020 18: 28
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                  Already united. Three times. And alas ... The most adequate Arabs signed a peace treaty with Israel, and at the very least, they are flourishing. Others are only now agreeing with the idea that they can hate Israel as much as they want, but it is completely unprofitable to fight with it, and even on the contrary, you can get a good thing in the form of the F-35. It goes to that. And on the example of one sheikh, another will say: how am I worse? The most stubborn, today they sit up to their ears in blood and their own shit, and still yell about the destruction of "Zionist education" (one of these has already been hanged ...) But there were miraculous countries. There are a thousand explanations for why Israel is winning wars over and over again, with no resources, no large army, and no deep rear. For example, the mantra that the Arabs are stupid and do not know how to fight, I personally believe in help from the "top" ... But this is mine, purely personal.
    2. Michael1950 Offline
      Michael1950 (Michael) 18 August 2020 10: 20
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      Some ridiculous things are said, why did they not shoot down Israeli planes all this time, bombing targets on their territory:
      IDF Air Force: Covert Operations Statistics in the North
      https://oleggranovsky.livejournal.com/465823.html

  3. Alexzn Offline
    Alexzn (Alexander) 17 August 2020 13: 11
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    Quote: Satellite
    If Tehran buys new air defenses and fighter aircraft from Moscow or Beijing, the F-35 will have to be able to successfully counter Iranian anti-aircraft systems to facilitate direct or remote attacks on ground targets.

    Yes, but if these "air defense systems" are located on the territory of Iran, then they will be inaccessible to delivering remote strikes (as they do from the territory of Lebanon). And for a direct strike, the Israelis would first have to overcome the air defenses of Syria or Iraq. Or does someone believe that these two states will silently contemplate the passage of missiles, or planes flying with missiles over their territory?
    This idea looks somehow poorly implemented.

    Let's just say - have already flown and more than once.
    There is a possibility of Israeli planes landing in Azerbaijan, where it is about the fact that it is impossible to deliver strikes taking off from the airfields of Azerbaijan, but using airfields is real. There is also the Emirates ...
    1. Satellite Offline
      Satellite (Satellite) 17 August 2020 14: 11
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      There is a possibility of Israeli aircraft landing in Azerbaijan, where it is about the fact that it is impossible to deliver strikes taking off from the airfields of Azerbaijan, but using airfields is real.

      And how can they then be used if you cannot strike while taking off from them?)

      And why should Azerbaijan spoil relations with Iran because of Israel?

      Yes, and the Emirates themselves are unlikely to want to substitute.

      Anyway. Since such tricks, maybe it won't be Israel that will strike at all?)
      1. Alexzn Offline
        Alexzn (Alexander) 17 August 2020 14: 35
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        You can sit on them after leaving Israel and attacking.
        Azerbaijan has such bad relations with Iran that an agreement on such use of Azerbaijani airfields has existed for 5-6 years.
        The emirates have even worse relations and the prospect of a joint confrontation with Iran is more than real.
        Strikes can be made only in case of real danger to Israel (including the creation of nuclear weapons).
        1. Satellite Offline
          Satellite (Satellite) 17 August 2020 14: 43
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          You can sit on them after leaving Israel and attacking.

          After the attack, fly further to Azerbaijan? It's absurd.)

          Azerbaijan has such bad relations with Iran that an agreement on such use of Azerbaijani airfields has existed for 5-6 years.

          Yeah, and in order to finally worsen them .... what's the point? Make war? So the Azerbaijanis of Armenia will have enough to cease to exist.
          1. Alexzn Offline
            Alexzn (Alexander) 17 August 2020 14: 56
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            Look at the globe ...
            The provision of their airfields for the landing of aircraft of a third country is not a violation of international norms. Azerbaijanis in Iran from 15 to 30 million (for reference)
            In the confrontation between Azerbaijan and Iran, one should not forget Turkey ...
            1. Satellite Offline
              Satellite (Satellite) 17 August 2020 15: 17
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              Azerbaijanis in Iran from 15 to 30 million (for reference)

              That's it! And this somehow speaks in favor of the confrontation with Iran to please Israel?

              In the confrontation between Azerbaijan and Iran, one should not forget Turkey ...

              Is there such a confrontation? Something is taking you in the wrong place.)
  4. Alexzn Offline
    Alexzn (Alexander) 17 August 2020 13: 32
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    Quote: Bulanov
    Ukraine does not seem to use the purchased weapons against Russia.
    I repeat:

    Israel supplies arms to Ukraine, which claims to be at war with Russia.

    The US is also not at war with Russia. Why, then, is Russia concerned about American missiles in Romania and Poland? Or is there something we don't know?
    The question is - how much does Israel need it? It is naive to feed a country that praises the Bandera who killed Jews in the hope that it would only bite your enemies.

    Ask what kind of weapons Israel supplies Ukraine. There is nothing comparable to the S-400, not even close, especially to the Su-30 \ 35. There we are talking about small arms, anti-tank missiles and reconnaissance drones. Does anyone make a fuss when Russia sells weapons of this level to Iran?
    Israel has excellent relations with both Ukraine and the Russian Federation, and is not going to be friends with Ukraine against the Russian Federation and vice versa. We don't like a lot of things in both countries, but we pay more to what we like.
    1. Satellite Offline
      Satellite (Satellite) 17 August 2020 14: 55
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      Why, then, is Russia concerned about American missiles in Romania and Poland? Or is there something we don't know?

      The United States is hatching the idea of ​​delivering a disarming global strike against Russia, and has real possibilities for this. There is cause for concern, but Russia is not launching preemptive strikes against Poland and Romania. Why exacerbate an already complicated relationship?
      Is Iran also hatching such plans in relation to Israel? I don’t think so.
      But nevertheless, Israel deliberately aggravates. Aggression is evident.
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        Binder (Miron) 17 August 2020 17: 05
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        Quote: Satellite
        The United States is hatching the idea of ​​inflicting a disarming global strike on Russia

        Do not watch the programs of the Zvezda TV channel, they have a negative effect on young, fragile minds. yes

        Quote: Satellite
        Is Iran also hatching such plans in relation to Israel? I don’t think so.

        And then there is nothing to think about - high-ranking Iranian politicians and the military regularly openly publicly declare that the destruction of Israel is a priority goal for their state. Do you think the Israelites in such a situation should rely solely on God's will? laughing
        1. Satellite Offline
          Satellite (Satellite) 17 August 2020 17: 29
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          Do not watch the programs of the Zvezda TV channel, they have a negative effect on young, fragile minds.

          Unlike you, I don't even know this channel. ) Thank you for the "young mind"!))

          Deal with Iran yourself. I think the Iranians also dislike you for a reason, but you know that better.
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            Binder (Miron) 17 August 2020 17: 33
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            Quote: Satellite
            Deal with Iran yourself.

            Which we are doing, and very successfully. hi
    2. GRF Offline
      GRF 17 August 2020 17: 44
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      There is nothing comparable to the S-400, not even close, especially to the Su-30 \ 35. It deals with small arms, anti-tank missiles and reconnaissance drones.

      What is needed to hunt the civilian Ukrainian population, from the S-400 it would not be comparable more difficult, but the Bandera people are quick-witted, they would come up with it, this is not a country to develop.

      Israel has excellent relations with both Ukraine and the Russian Federation

      You are in excellent relations with the Bandera regime, which limits its people both in choice and in life expectancy. And the RF you do all sorts of setups periodically, with love, of course, I have no doubt.

      ... and is not going to be friends with Ukraine against the Russian Federation and vice versa.

      Still, you can still be friends with those Russians who have lived in Ukraine for centuries, and are now considered in the scope of Israeli "peaceful" small arms, found on a tip from "peaceful" reconnaissance drones. Besides, this doesn’t apply to being friends with someone else’s hands, it’s true someone else’s hands, Su can be shortened, but it’s not scary, they are aliens ...

      We don't like a lot of things in both countries, but we pay more to what we like.

      We also remember that there were protests in Israel against the supply of weapons to Ukraine, but we draw your attention to the fact that this did not particularly affect the supply ...

      You tell me, you tell me what you need, what you need,
      Maybe I will, maybe I will, what do you want.
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    kriten (Vladimir) 17 August 2020 16: 02
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    Everything can be so, and maybe vice versa. In Syria, Russia betrayed Iran as an ally in collusion with Israel. Everything can happen again.
  6. Alexzn Offline
    Alexzn (Alexander) 17 August 2020 18: 16
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    Quote: Satellite
    Azerbaijanis in Iran from 15 to 30 million (for reference)

    That's it! And this somehow speaks in favor of the confrontation with Iran to please Israel?

    In the confrontation between Azerbaijan and Iran, one should not forget Turkey ...

    Is there such a confrontation? Something is taking you in the wrong place.)

    A funny question. There is!
  7. Alexzn Offline
    Alexzn (Alexander) 17 August 2020 19: 08
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    Quote: Satellite
    I meant Lebanon's neutrality with Syria and other states. Syria, not being in a state of war with Lebanon, cannot afford to shoot down any flying objects in its airspace. In international practice, this would be tantamount to declaring war.

    Sorry, but this is ABSOLUTE nonsense. At all! And in particular - Lebanon would kiss the ass of the Syrians if they shot down an Israeli plane over Lebanon.
    Who invented the nonsense that the Syrians cannot open fire on planes in Lebanese space? How they open it. And I will note that Lebanon has not declared war on Syria.
    1. Satellite Offline
      Satellite (Satellite) 17 August 2020 22: 03
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      Sorry, but this is ABSOLUTE nonsense. At all!

      To write the word in capital letters, is it true, and is your only argument?)) Then you DO NOT UNDERSTAND ANYTHING AT ALL in politics.
      By the way, why are you so “spirited”?)) Did you feel the support of your “comrade in misfortune”? Fu, how weak. I expected more independence from you.) Well, since you got into the bottle, then I can have a little, right?)
      Israeli planes do not go astray in Lebanese airspace
      political reasons. But this is not the most important thing either. The fact is that your Israel launches missiles through Syria not only in the skies of Lebanon, but also, which is especially mean, from neutral airspace over the Mediterranean Sea, where it is ABSOLUTELY shamelessly, and irresponsibly hiding behind civilian airliners flying there, deliberately exposing completely uninvolved in your problems, people, mortal danger!
      Are you suggesting that the Syrians take a bite at such a disgusting setup and cause another wave of indignation in the "world community"?
      I don’t know what your local press is telling you, but I see that you are either not aware of what is happening, or you don’t want to admit it.
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        Danila46 (Daniel) 19 August 2020 01: 03
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        But your "pre-essa" went well over your ears ...
        1. Satellite Offline
          Satellite (Satellite) 19 August 2020 01: 40
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          on the other hand, your "PRESS" is good for you ...

          - this is your "prEssa" well over your ears ...))
  8. _AMUHb_ Offline
    _AMUHb_ (_AMUHb_) 17 August 2020 21: 50
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    All this is interesting, of course, but it is worth looking at the situation a little further than "your own nose".

    http://2kumushki.ru/shkoly_rossii_10.php/

    - to recall 1917, recall the nationality of the "privatizers" (now oligarchs) of the USSR, evaluate 1/3 of Israelis immigrants from the former USSR and focus on this article and ... does anyone else have questions? Stupidity.
  9. Alexzn Offline
    Alexzn (Alexander) 18 August 2020 07: 41
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    Quote: Satellite
    Sorry, but this is ABSOLUTE nonsense. At all!

    To write the word in capital letters, is it true, and is your only argument?)) Then you DO NOT UNDERSTAND ANYTHING AT ALL in politics.
    By the way, why are you so “spirited”?)) Did you feel the support of your “comrade in misfortune”? Fu, how weak. I expected more independence from you.) Well, since you got into the bottle, then I can have a little, right?)
    Israeli planes do not go astray in Lebanese airspace
    political reasons. But this is not the most important thing either. The fact is that your Israel launches missiles through Syria not only in the skies of Lebanon, but also, which is especially mean, from neutral airspace over the Mediterranean Sea, where it is ABSOLUTELY shamelessly, and irresponsibly hiding behind civilian airliners flying there, deliberately exposing completely uninvolved in your problems, people, mortal danger!
    Are you suggesting that the Syrians take a bite at such a disgusting setup and cause another wave of indignation in the "world community"?
    I don’t know what your local press is telling you, but I see that you are either not aware of what is happening, or you don’t want to admit it.

    The points. I didn't understand what kind of support you are writing about.
    Further. From the airspace of Lebanon (which, like Syria, is at war with us), targets are attacked due to the peculiarities of the relief. Not more. Once again, the Syrians are well aware of this and open fire on planes. Everything else is tales about the prohibition to shoot and the reason for war (?!), Especially about political reasons (?!) On the conscience of naive people.
    About how Israeli planes are covered by civilian sides - indicate when and what claims were made against Israel by ICAO and how they are related to attacks on targets in Syria. All the talk that the Israelis are hiding behind civilian aircraft (especially the IL-20) do not stand up to criticism and are being conducted at the level of an information war. Not more.
    1. Satellite Offline
      Satellite (Satellite) 18 August 2020 11: 28
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      All the talk that the Israelis are hiding behind civilian aircraft (especially the IL-20) do not stand up to criticism and are being conducted at the level of an information war. Not more.

      Well, it is clear that to admit such facts would mean automatically to recognize oneself as a criminal state. We must pay tribute, Israel very exquisitely fulfills all kinds of dirty war technologies. Everyone sees and understands this, but it's actually difficult to prove.
      Even in the Western press from time to time there are reports of criminal tricks of the Israeli military, but the topic is not developed for obvious reasons.
      But this will change when, sooner or later, Israel loses support from overseas.
      You will also have your "Nuremberg", and maybe even worse - they simply will not have time to save you from "lynching" by the peoples around you.
  10. Alexzn Offline
    Alexzn (Alexander) 18 August 2020 13: 20
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    Quote: Satellite
    All the talk about the Israelis hiding behind civilian aircraft (especially the Il-20) does not stand up to criticism and is being conducted at the level of an information war. Not more.

    Well, it is clear that to admit such facts would mean automatically to recognize oneself as a criminal state. We must pay tribute, Israel very exquisitely fulfills all kinds of dirty war technologies. Everyone sees and understands this, but it's actually difficult to prove.
    Even in the Western press from time to time there are reports of criminal tricks of the Israeli military, but the topic is not developed for obvious reasons.
    But this will change when, sooner or later, Israel loses support from overseas.
    You will also have your "Nuremberg", and maybe even worse - they simply will not have time to save you from "lynching" by the peoples around you.

    Facts in the studio! Otherwise, these are just accusations at the level of propaganda.
    The argument - even in the Western press - brought a smile.
    Note that if you read about the tricks of the Russian military, then your methods are the dirtiest, and the technologies are vile, and in general, Russia is to blame for everything, that's who the biggest criminal is ...
    In a dispute, it is better to cite facts, rather than speculation.
    1. Satellite Offline
      Satellite (Satellite) 19 August 2020 21: 39
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      Facts in the studio! Otherwise, these are just accusations at the level of propaganda.

      Wow, how formidable!)))
      "Gifts to the studio!")
      Yes on you!

      Russian Defense Ministry spokesman Igor Konashenkov told TASS that the Israeli General Staff has recently regularly used civilian planes with people "to cover or block the response of the Syrian air defense forces," and this is already becoming a characteristic feature of the Israeli Air Force.

      https://www.google.de/amp/s/m.gazeta.ru/amp/army/2020/02/07/12948535.shtml
      1. Alexzn Offline
        Alexzn (Alexander) 20 August 2020 07: 46
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        Konashenkov as an argument! Do you have such humor? 99% of what he voices does not hold water. Simple examples are the MiG-29 of unknown origin, which shot down a Malaysian Boeing, the Su-25, which shot down the same Boeing, 70 CR out of 68 launched by the Americans fell, and like a cherry, an F-16 hiding behind silt (so a wild version technically that except for a smile from people who understand at least a little about the work of air defense, it does not cause).
    2. Satellite Offline
      Satellite (Satellite) 19 August 2020 21: 42
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      The argument - even in the Western press - brought a smile.

      Why?
      I personally do not smile. I read the Western press every day. Next time, when they write again, I will specially copy the reference, and poke you there with your smart nose. What do you say then?
    3. Satellite Offline
      Satellite (Satellite) 19 August 2020 21: 44
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      Note that if you read about the tricks of the Russian military, then your methods are the dirtiest, and the technologies are vile, and in general, Russia is to blame for everything, that's who the biggest criminal is ...

      Now you give me the facts! In order not to be considered a balabol here.
      1. Alexzn Offline
        Alexzn (Alexander) 20 August 2020 07: 40
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        Be careful when reading! I just wrote that they write a lot. It is not speculation that should be discussed, but facts.
        About the argument - even in the Western press - you can find EVERYTHING in the Western press, especially about Israel and Russia, here the Western press has a similar approach.
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    Danila46 (Daniel) 19 August 2020 01: 07
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    All the talk that the Israelis are hiding behind civilian aircraft (especially the IL-20) do not stand up to criticism and are being conducted at the level of an information war. Not more.

    Well, it is clear that to admit such facts would mean automatically to recognize oneself as a criminal state. We must pay tribute, Israel very exquisitely fulfills all kinds of dirty war technologies. Everyone sees and understands this, but it's actually difficult to prove.
    Even in the Western press from time to time there are reports of criminal tricks of the Israeli military, but the topic is not developed for obvious reasons.
    But this will change when, sooner or later, Israel loses support from overseas.
    You will also have your "Nuremberg", and maybe even worse - they simply will not have time to save you from "lynching" by the peoples around you.

    Your dreams are not just wet, they are wet ...
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      Satellite (Satellite) 20 August 2020 00: 58
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      Your dreams are not just wet, they are wet ...

      What makes you think that these are my dreams? I just see it that way.
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        Danila46 (Daniel) 20 August 2020 08: 15
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        Watch your science fiction movie next. Happy viewing...
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    Netyn (Netyn) 21 August 2020 11: 03
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    Israelis fly at home in Syrian airspace

    A cynical lie.
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    Alexzn (Alexander) 21 August 2020 14: 46
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    If it is in Russia's interests to supply missile weapons to Iran

    Iran does not need missile weapons.
    But complex air defense systems for near-medium-long range zones, aviation, electronic warfare, tanks, TFRs and frigates - yes.

    This is where you are wrong. I note that the air defense systems you mentioned are also missile weapons. Therefore, in November, the arms embargo is lifted, but the missile embargo remains, however, for offensive systems. For another 3 years.