Poles ridiculed the purchase of 46 combat aircraft for the Russian Aerospace Forces

August 15 2020 38

Polish readers of the Money.pl portal actively responded to news that the Russian military will acquire 21 Su-30SM2 fighters and 25 Yak-130 combat training aircraft.

Moscow will spend more than 46 billion rubles on the purchase of 100 cars.

Currently, according to the Polish publication, the Russian Air Force has 399 attack aircraft and 750 fighters.

Reader Comments:

100 billion rubles sounds impressive. If we calculate that this is about 5 billion zlotys, then we will only understand once again that Russia, as in the days of Reagan, is a paper tiger

- grinned Gość.

Why is Russia arming itself? No leader of any of the neighboring states will dare to attack this country

- Polak wonders.

They buy them for themselves because all exports are blown away. Even the Indians, who are the largest sales market for them, after comparing the Su-30MKI with the French Rafal, chose the Rafal [...]. The commander of the local air force, Marshal Suresh, said that the Rafal [...] is capable of defeating any Chinese or Pakistani aircraft. This applies to old Pakistani F-16s, Chinese Su-30/35 and various Chinese copies of the Su-27. If the Russians buy this old stuff, they will go bankrupt faster, as the Soviets once did

- insists znawca lotnictwa bojowego.

They are simply replacing some units of the air fleet with more modern ones, and this is a normal process in all areas, since the old, worn-out, which is not profitable to repair or modernize, is scrapped and replaced with a new one. In addition, most of the Russian Air Force is aircraft, which are currently historical rarities.

- reminds Jaro.

Best of all, the combat value of Russian aircraft was demonstrated in 1981 in the Bekaa Valley, where dozens of them were shot down by Israeli F-16 fighters.

- abc remarks ironically.

This occurred in a specific tactical situation and did not necessarily depend on the characteristics of the aircraft itself. And second: you may not have noticed, but that was 40 years ago.

- responded to the previous comment by baca.

The truth is that Russian aircraft are 3rd generation aircraft, that is, targets for 4th generation fighters (which are already in service with Poland) and 5th generation (purchased by Poland). That's all for this topic.

- "flashed with knowledge" in the field of military aviation PiotrK.

Poland is not afraid of anyone, because it has the most important thing - fighting spirit. And she prefers to spend money on her old people in the form of paying them the 13th pension

- noted user Kurt.

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123

+29

15 August 2020 08: 51

The Poles giving out German subsidies to pensioners is wonderful.
Fifty planes probably look ridiculous and unconvincing for the Poles. They have everything in order with aviation. A whole armada of F-16s in the amount of 48 pieces (apparently 6 generations) and are going to buy F-35s (apparently 7 generations), as long as I don’t remember, it’s unlikely that the count will go to hundreds. Well, there are also MiG-29s, how many survived after the Ukrainian repairs - I find it difficult to say. The main thing is fighting spirit, if anything, abroad will help them ... probably ...
1. Vladimir Tuzakov
  
  -11
  
  15 August 2020 17: 28
  
  Poland has a bitter political experience of centuries, then their Russian Empire and the Austro-Hungarian Empire divided and crushed uprisings, after each the best people of Poland either perished or emigrated forever ... After WWI, a small respite of 20 years and then again the occupation, the Germans for 6 most severe For years they plundered and destroyed Poland ... After them, the USSR taught for 45 years how to live, and it always took place with massive repressions, executions of Polish patriots. After 1945, in Poland (under the patronage of the NKGB, MGB), most of those who belonged to the Army of the Region were shot and repressed, that was the largest Polish partisan army, hundreds of thousands of fighters). Therefore, you need to understand the Poles, who are constantly between two enemies, Germany and Russia ... At the beginning of WWII, the French and the British betrayed the Poles, did nothing, giving them over to the Germans, and now they are afraid of betrayal and staked on the United States, yes, it seems , again bad luck lies ahead ... You always need to understand others, then we ourselves will not make mistakes ...
  1. 123
    
    +16
    
    15 August 2020 17: 48
    
    I'm already tearing up a tear. Need to understand and forgive the stupid, arrogant citizens, because their neighbors offended?
    With us, of course, everything was different, both world wars practically did not affect us, the Red Army men were not rotted in the Polish camps, Napoleon did not enter, the Swedish pacifists with the Turks, the Poles did not sit in the Kremlin, and they say there was no Mongol conquest ... And even now, by the way, the Russian lands are not clear under whom. Our allies were extremely honest and disinterested. The British did not land with the Americans in Arkhangelsk and in the Far East, there were no conflicts with the Japanese.
    It turns out that we have no less reason to write what they are ... (insert the right word), but should they be understanding about this?
    Somehow you made an interesting emphasis on the terrible USSR, more than half of the text about it. Are you an anti-Soviet or a professional fighter against totalitarianism?
    By the way, do you remember when Germany was formed?
    
    Therefore, you need to understand the Poles who are constantly between two enemies, Germany and Russia ...
    
    Long before that, the Polish lords had fought with whoever they could, if anything, they were in Moscow more than 250 years earlier.
    
    so now they are afraid of betrayal and have relied on the United States, yes, it seems, there is another bad luck ahead ... You always need to understand others, then we ourselves will not make mistakes ...
    
    Who is to blame them if life teaches nothing?
    1. Vladimir Tuzakov
      
      -10
      
      15 August 2020 18: 02
      
      When they walk along the trodden propaganda path, then they reason like you ... Therefore, there are no allied relations with Poland even today, although all logic is in an alliance with the Slavic already INDEPENDENT states, then neither the Warsaw Pact countries, nor Ukraine with Moldavia and Georgia lost ... But the Chubais Gaidars, whose main task is to destroy everything in Russia and send it to the service of the West, came to power in the new Russia, so they fell on the advice that they became enemies with all their former allies ... And who to blame, only Russia .. Example: Honecker (GDR). Ceausescu (Romania) and others told Gorbachev - what you are doing, you are destroying everything and everyone ... But the Yakovlevs and others have already worked according to instructions from the United States ...
      1. 123
        
        +10
        
        15 August 2020 18: 44
        
        When they walk along the trodden propaganda path, then they reason like you ...
        
        When they only eat in the head, they reason like you.
        
        Therefore, there are no allied relations with Poland even today, although all the logic is in an alliance with the Slavic already INDEPENDENT states, then neither the Warsaw Pact countries, nor Ukraine with Moldavia and Georgia lost.
        
        Do you even understand what you are talking about? What alliance with Poland are you talking about now? The country is under triple pressure - the USA, EU, NATO. But it turns out that everything is simple, you have to not listen to propaganda and start making friends. And prosperity will come, and a union of Slavic states will be formed. By the way, did you get excited about Moldovans and Georgians by reckoning among the Slavs?
        
        But the Chubais Gaidars, whose main task was to destroy everything in Russia and send it to the service of the West, came to the power of the new Russia, so they fell on the advice that they became enemies with all their former allies ...
        
        If we listen to your advice, we can go even further.
        
        And who to blame, only Russia ..
        
        Is Russia again to blame for everything? As already got. You want to blame yourself. So we will write down, VLADIMIR TUZAKOV IS PERSONALLY GUILTY. So now live with this, you can repent at the same time.
        
        Example: Honecker (GDR). Ceausescu (Romania) and others told Gorbachev - what you are doing, you are destroying everything and everyone ... But the Yakovlevs and others have already worked according to instructions from the United States ...
        
        Quiet, quiet. Stop. I have all the moves written down ... Look up ... "Gaidars-Chubais are to blame for everything," and the "Gorbachevs-Yakovlevs" were a little earlier. The inconsistency turns out, it turns out not only "Gaidars-Chubais" are to blame, but if you dig even deeper ..... there were figures .... a new territorial division was organized, the principle of self-determination of peoples was written into the Constitution ..... populists. But this is not important, we have already decided on the guilt - VLADIMIR TUZAKOV IS PERSONALLY GUILTY.
        Who is to blame - found, it remains to determine - what to do?
        
        Vladimir Tuzakov
        
        -5
        
        15 August 2020 18: 50
        
        Yes, the transition to personalities means that I wasted my time on a dispute with such a level of thinking ... I apologize for wasting my and your time ... Don't bother answering my comments anymore, I'll try to yours too ...
        
        123
        
        +5
        
        15 August 2020 18: 52
        
        How can you understand and forgive? I'm zombified with propaganda ...
        And they also talked about the Slavic brotherhood.
  2. meandr51
    
    +5
    
    15 August 2020 22: 47
    
    They are to blame for their history. All the troubles with them occurred during the periods when they tried to conflict with Russia / USSR. Instead of entering into an alliance with her. In the post-war Soviet period, no one divided them or genocidal. The AK was an anti-Soviet army. She fought very little with the Germans. You cannot compare with the Belarusians.
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  4. Nick
    
    +5
    
    16 August 2020 08: 06
    
    Quote: Vladimir Tuzakov
    Poland has a bitter political experience for centuries, then their Russian and Austro-Hungarian empires divided and crushed uprisings, after each the best people of Poland either died or emigrated forever ..
    
    And what has it to do with the purchases of weapons for the Russian Army, discussed in the article?
  5. Phill phillat
    
    +3
    
    16 August 2020 13: 19
    
    And why understand them, to be honest, I don’t care about them, let them live and don’t try to do nothing, otherwise they’ll be divided again ...
2. Johann Klassen
  
  +2
  
  24 August 2020 23: 49
  
  It is offensive that pseks, grounded like a telephone set, still pollute the environment with their presence.
  This is a real insult.
  These bastards in the Donbas killed my relatives, two adults and two children.
  And you shut your mouth with your tolerance.
Oyo Sarkazmi

+15

15 August 2020 09: 14

To laugh at the purchase of 21 aircraft at a speed of 2,6 M (2600 km / h), and to buy 70 times more aircraft at a speed of 1,4 M (1600 km / h) - this is purely Polish. They hide under a shy smile that their super-duper fighters won't catch up with the Russian plane of the 70s.
Valentine

+14

15 August 2020 09: 22

One Greater Poland arrogance and ambition, and no more, only Hitler in exactly one month brought the warlike dogs to their knees.
What a twist

+6

15 August 2020 09: 47

Well, just a hand / face.
How to evaluate all Poles after such interesting news. Maybe they have smart and knowledgeable people there. Only the actions of the country's democratically elected political leaders, the content of articles in newspapers that these people pay for, I will even keep silent about sports achievements, the number of registered patents for inventions and results in international physical, chemical, mathematical Olympiads, and of course, such comments. They say only one thing, that the share of such people in the Polish state is critically small, and the worst thing is that every year it becomes less and less. Well, if you superimpose this on the overall decline in numbers, the picture is simply terrible.
Even at the household level, if my neighbor is stupid, envious, arrogant and rude dependent. Then at least I will limit myself to communicating with him, at the most I will try to move to another area, if there are a lot of them.
But the country cannot move ...
bear040

+10

15 August 2020 10: 37

Poland has always been spoken of contemptuously in Europe, calling it a capitalist country without capital. In addition to show-off, the Poles have not and will not have anything for a long time.
1. Andrey Expert
  
  +2
  
  17 August 2020 08: 31
  
  Exactly, half of Poland's working-age population works outside its borders! And it is a "prosperous" country that has embarked on the path of American development.
General Black

+15

15 August 2020 11: 02

Poland is not afraid of anyone, because it has the most important thing - fighting spirit.

And under certain circumstances, it also has a certain smell.
1. beeper
  
  +7
  
  15 August 2020 11: 22
  
  Quote: General Black
  Poland is not afraid of anyone, because it has the most important thing - fighting spirit.
  
  And under certain circumstances, it also has a certain smell.
  
  You with your sparkling humor, General Black, today made my day!
bobba94

+10

15 August 2020 11: 44

I read the article, cheered up and remembered V.V. Mayakovsky. "Poems about the Soviet passport"

They look at Polish,
Like a goat on the poster.
In Polish, they gaze out in tight police elephantiasis,
where, they say, and what kind of geographic news?
1. bobba94
  
  +10
  
  15 August 2020 11: 49
  
  I wrote a comment and remembered an episode from the movie "Shield and Sword":
  
  Steinglitz, looking out the window, asked:
  - What was it called before?
  - Warsaw Voivodeship, Herr Major.
  - No, this whole country?
  Pan Dushkevich turned red.
AlexisCrow

+2

15 August 2020 13: 16

I don't really care what the psheks say and think ...))
reportuser

+4

15 August 2020 16: 45

American litters yelp about the backwardness of Russia's weapons.
Dull-headed psheks cannot understand in any way that they are only cannon fodder for their "allies". Their owners will use them when and if the time comes, as it was already.
military

+1

15 August 2020 16: 52

Whoever's comments to pay attention to, but not the Poles.
Georgievic

+2

15 August 2020 17: 10

So they don't build them themselves, but buy from the USA and feed American workers, and here everything is in the country!
catch22

0

15 August 2020 17: 56

Let them puff! Poland is a lady with reduced social responsibility ....
Yuri Mikhailovsky

0

15 August 2020 20: 12

Could you tell me the name of combat aircraft produced in this country of great arrogance?
Bright

0

15 August 2020 20: 22

It's ridiculous to read the opinions of Polish super military experts who have forgotten horses, and what tanks and planes are, they still do not understand.
Cat

+1

15 August 2020 20: 26

Why throw this stuff in at all? Who are they in terms of national aviation development? That's right ... Zero without a Stick! Sorry time to read this read.
Alex Eustace

+2

16 August 2020 00: 23

The Poles are now embittered, first Russia threw them with vegetables and apples, in response to EU sanctions, then this coronavirus closed the border - these unfortunate poles lived in queues for days on the border - in order to have cheap fuel from the Kaliningrad region at home bunch. What can you expect from an offended tribe, anti-Slavs?
mikhail.rybakov2017

0

16 August 2020 05: 40

No brain no Gain.
kvitka.stanislav

0

16 August 2020 10: 06

Poland does not understand that in the event of a hot meal, in the first place, there will be little pshek left.
igor.igorev

+1

16 August 2020 12: 43

Yeah. The opinion of the Poles is very valuable to us. The "Great Aviation Power" has decided to speak about our aircraft.
uralant

+3

16 August 2020 13: 18

Quote: 123
distributing German subsidies to retirees, it's great

The rest of the subsidies are spent on American planes. But bad luck, the feeder is closing. Polonium will laugh ...!

Why is Russia arming itself? No leader of any of the neighboring states will dare to attack this country

Unfortunately for Russia, all these any neighboring "states" have one leader and he lives behind a puddle, and what is most interesting, he really likes the wonderful world wars.
Dust

0

17 August 2020 02: 23

To talk about Russian weapons, Poland must first learn how to do something! And not to buy used from the USA.
Roman Kosych

+1

17 August 2020 08: 53

Apparently, Poles do not like to study their history - the history of shame. There is such an anecdote.

Trump-Merkel meeting. Trump shows his iPhone: here I will press - and there is no Europe, here I will press - there is no Russia, and in that spirit. And Merkel told him - my grandmother had 3 toilet bowls - gold, ceramic and earthenware, but when Soviet tanks entered Berlin, she dressed herself right in the corridor.

The Poles in World War II did even better than the Germans. And it is inappropriate to measure your planes with Russia here, as is the irony addressed to her. 500 thousand Soviet soldiers died for the release of these idiots.
Polite person

+2

18 August 2020 10: 35

Without saying a bad word, I will give advice, read and sit on the .. exactly.
If you want to check - stick your trash into the sky of RUSSIA, and you will find out everything.

Lovely overseas neighbors,
Well-fed, imposing, like the gods,
Do not wake the Russian bear.
Let him peacefully sleep in his den.
Do not interfere with reign and reign,
Eat and drink as long as the heart beats.
You can not imagine,
Than for you all this will turn around!
You have repeatedly kicked him,
They humiliated, dusted,
They crucified on the Russian birch,
They burned fire and stoked in the pool.
And when confidence in victory
I drove you to a sweet tremor,
Ryur the uterine Russian bear
I heard you suddenly in the hallway.
Why do not you sit at home, brothers?
And pulls, having arrived on a smell,
Generous Russian zemlyatse
Take and take away from the toed!
How old is the sly little thought
Your are overflowing with newspapers,
Like, “what right do we have
One sixth of the planet !? "
We came here by God's will,
Honor their own did not mess.
And do not you judge our share!
We did not steal our wealth.
Our unbreakable foundations
Sails, skids and horseshoes,
Beringi, Khabarov, Dezhnev,
Ermaki, Poyarkov, Zaikov.
Ladies, gentlemen, signors, ladies,
Behind the devil inadvertently,
Do not tease the Russian bear:
Your pampering will come out to you sideways.
You deceive him a hundred times,
In the tavern, clean up the thread,
After all, any mercy you have is paid,
Your gods are gold bars.
Your credo is divide and conquer
Your truth is the truth of the Force.
You used to sit over the flock,
Woe to the disreputable grave.
But Russian sees brother in everyone,
Not accepting stinginess and deceit.
The most important thing for him is the truth,
And the most precious thing is Justice.
Because from the bottom of any hell,
Where no one else can survive,
Russian suddenly rises from the ashes,
From the quagmire and road litter.
Weather will burn the bloody battle,
In a clean spring, he will wash his eyes,
Read prayers before the icon
And he will come to your house one night.
All smelling of gunpowder and blood,
Having lead around a weary look,
He will be frozen above your head
And in the eyes he will reproach you with reproach.
And while you have not extinguished the light,
He asks, having summed up the past:
-Why did you come to Russia to me?
Or do I owe you something?
You will understand that the payoff has come.
But there was nothing to pay, as it turned out.
The Russian would have forgiven, perhaps, a brother.
Only you are not his brother, but evil spirits.
And the little soul, cowering in the flesh,
Tying under the scowl of the guest,
You cursed a thousand times
The stupid idea of Drang Nach Osten.
Hungry for new territories
For baseball, rugby or golf,
Read a couple of stories
About Napoleon and Adolf.
Dull the heat of the front copper!
Responsible for stupidity - have to!
Do not wake the Russian bear.
Maybe then it will cost ...

With big fiery greetings to all cunningly tortured neighbors and their friends.
andrew42

0

18 August 2020 19: 31

Well, while the Panov think so, you can safely work on. Nekhai believe that the Polish Air Force will incinerate the "flying irons of Mordor" like dashing Polish banners with a hussar's speed. Their hangover is not our concern.
Victor Ar

+1

24 August 2020 23: 46

Laughed at Poland, which is not afraid of anyone ... And why did she urge the Americans to build bases in her, although no one ever threatened her? Since she left the safe haven of the CMEA country, she became intensely afraid and urged the West to protect her from the Russians. This was back in the 90s, when our country could not even defend itself at all. And here, at the call of Poland, which became a NATO member, security should have triumphed ... It would seem that there is nothing to be afraid of, but no, fears have only increased. Now, if Poland were a neutral country, but its own ambitions prevent it from being safe. This active buffer of NATO's onslaught on Russia and Poland will be used over and over again, as was used in 1937-1939 by all and sundry for a march on Moscow.