"Revival of aircraft industry": why "Tupolev" can be merged with "Ilyushin"

The domestic press got information that the aircraft manufacturer Tupolev, and at the same time the Kazan aircraft plant, may be merged with Ilyushin, and on the basis of subordination to the latter. This message caused a very mixed reaction in the expert community, and after that it was not too convincingly refuted by the UAC. Was it a fake or a premature leak?

By itself, this kind of information can no longer be surprising after Anatoly Serdyukov became head of the Rostec aviation cluster. The activities of the ex-Minister of Defense in his previous post are extremely controversial. Some are convinced that he secretly created a powerful army and navy, which made it possible to return Crimea almost bloodlessly in 2014, and now make the NATO countries tremble. Others believe that the former furniture merchant did not so much create as destroyed. At the same time, he was constantly misled by his assistants, abusing their position for selfish purposes. Be that as it may, Serdyukov's ministerial career ended with a criminal conviction under the article "Negligence", which, however, was removed in connection with the amnesty.

Such a stain on his reputation did not prevent him from finding himself in a managerial position in the state corporation Rostec. With his light hand, a decision has already been made to unite under one roof the fundamentally different design schools of helicopter construction "Mil" and "Kamov". A similar process has begun with respect to the military units of the "Sukhoi" and "MiG". In this context, the next "optimization" of the aircraft industry will hardly surprise anyone. It is worth figuring out under what sauce the union is being made this time, and is it worth fearing at all?

The “efficiency” of the management of state corporations is a topic for another big conversation. Recently, it was announced at the highest level that the United Aircraft Corporation (UAC) had accumulated 400 billion rubles in debts, the maintenance of which requires about 30 billion annually. The corporation's recovery program is designed for three years and will require management optimization. What does this mean in practice?

Rostec will get rid of "unnecessary assembly and aggregate enterprises", and will also reduce the "excess personnel". That is, the management intends to reduce the total production capacity without increasing the volume of orders. Strictly speaking, this raises the question of the "revival of aircraft construction" in our country. "Optimization" will also affect KB to avoid unnecessary "duplication". If in the Soviet period the presence of competition between projects of different design schools was considered a great blessing, now it is declared almost a root of evil.

As noted by those familiar with the situation in the company, Ilyushin is experiencing serious economic Problems. They intend to save him at the expense of the intellectual and financial capital of the Tupolev and Kazan residents. As part of this program, the famous design bureaus can be evicted from Moscow to the Moscow Region National Aircraft Center in Zhukovsky. The workers, those who will not be laid off, will hardly be pleased with the move, but the expensive capital land under the design bureaus can be given away for construction. Excess production capacities will also be used for construction. Evil tongues can even say that everything is being started for the sake of this, but then why are we better than Ukraine, which is also evicting "Antonov" to the region?

However, Rostec denied this information:

Reputable design schools, such as KB Ilyushin and KB Tupolev, will continue to work and develop, production sites will retain their main profile of work, and the merger of two reputable firms - Ilyushin and Tupolev - is not on the agenda.

It is good if this is really so, and we will closely monitor the development of the situation. However, such "optimization" is fully within policies mister Serdyukov, who got his hand in "mergers" and "relocations". However, it is possible that he really has nothing to do with it, and he is simply being deceived again by malicious assistants.
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  1. Sergey Tokarev Offline Sergey Tokarev
    Sergey Tokarev (Sergey Tokarev) 13 August 2020 10: 53
    If Il and Tupolev were actively competing with Boeing and Airbus, one would be outraged ... and so two half-corpses. Not to mention the long decomposed body of Antonov. Mi and Ka constantly shit at each other, getting into the same niche. In Afghanistan, it cost human lives. Ka was better suited to Afghan conditions, but defeated Mi and flew only thanks to the efforts of the pilots.
    1. Marzhecki Online Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 13 August 2020 13: 11
      Quote: Sergey Tokarev
      If Il and Tupolev were actively competing with Boeing and Airbus, one would be outraged ... and so two half-corpses

      And who brought them to such a state? And why should they be lifted from their knees in this way and not in another?
  2. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 13 August 2020 11: 41
    It was already in the articles.
    Remember the fable "Swan, Cancer and Pike" ???
    This has already happened in defense-export, and in helicopter building, and in aircraft building ... And somewhere up there sits an effective manager, a millionaire Serdyukov ...
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  3. Kuzmich Sibiryakov (Kuzmich Sibiryakov) 13 August 2020 12: 01
    The only place where we were relatively not the last was in aviation. Competition is always a blessing, although it costs more. But it guarantees against dead ends, where any industry can enter, with monopoly. "Merging" is the dispersal of the absorbed participant. Destruction of his school, squeezing out his specialists. Successful, in my opinion, the participation of Serdyukov in the role of reducing the cost of the army, with the remaining 5 millionth SA, training grounds, military camps, hospitals, officers' houses, schools, obsolete weapons, redundant for a more compact army of Russia. Taking away a meager budget for the maintenance of rubbish no longer needed. Were there overlaps? They are probably inevitable. Who can say that in such a configuration the Russian army has become worse than the one that was BEFORE Serdyukov?
    But in any business, reason must go ahead of everything. The union is a demonstration that he is missing. Competition laws are at work everywhere, take the United States with its many space programs. We, as always, go against the tide.
    And you can compete with Boeings and Airbuses only when there are worthy rivals to them. At home. The outlook in this case deteriorates dramatically.
    1. Kostyar Offline Kostyar
      Kostyar 13 August 2020 16: 45
      Until they start putting them up against the wall, they will continue to optimize them, they are completely stupefied with impunity!
      1. Kuzmich Sibiryakov (Kuzmich Sibiryakov) 14 August 2020 10: 21
        Quote: Bone
        Until they start putting them up against the wall, they will continue to optimize them, they are completely stupefied with impunity!

        Do not forget that all the production of aircraft in our country is in the hands of the state. So, to put it against the wall - cold or warm - it already depends ... ... I would like to see how your five-year-old son, without your consent, solves family issues. If so, then you need to be punished.
  4. steelmaker Offline steelmaker
    steelmaker 13 August 2020 20: 27
    Serdyukov, it's like Chubais. Whatever he does - one harm! Now everything is decided by money! And money should be invested not only in airplanes, but also in personnel training, etc. And what is Serdyukov doing? Allegedly leave the designers, and reduce the "locksmiths"? Hurry up! And the one who thinks that this is how progress and competition will turn out, he is definitely hit with his head on the jamb or sent to the CIA. I believe that Serdyukov was ordered to destroy our aircraft industry, like Rogozin, to destroy our space. And against the background of Serdyukov and Rogozin, Putin will shine with his genius! Irreplaceable pancake!
  5. Potapov Offline Potapov
    Potapov (Valery) 14 August 2020 09: 07
    Rather, merged with Ilyushin into the sewer ... Cash flow converters ... Tamers of the economy ...
  6. Nicholay Ivanitsky (Nicholai Ivanitsky) 15 September 2020 11: 33
    This is not an easy question.
    Having two design schools is a good thing, but extremely costly.
    Let's not forget that, say, BAe brought everything together in Britain. It's the same in France.
    Could the UAC allow two bureaus? I do not know. Yakovlev is still separate.
    Competition can also be created within a state corporation.
    The main thing is efficiency, subject to the development of design ideas.
  7. VolDir Offline VolDir
    VolDir (Vlad Loskutov) 24 October 2020 23: 41
    all come together.
    In Europe, everyone gathered under the roof of the airbus, only the French stay in Rafal and the Swedes in Grippen, but this will not last long. Grippen is Saab's latest development, as is the Rafale. The French will not pull the new fighter, let alone the Swedes.
    Canadians went under Airbus - A220.
    In the States - Lockheed retired from civil aviation and teamed up with Martin. McDonnell merged with Douglas, and then went under the Boeing.
    In military aviation, everything merged there too. For example, the F86 Saber, which fought with the MiG-15 in Korea, North American, now Boeing.
    So this is objective, Sukhoi will merge with the MiG, and Ilyushin with Tupolev. MS-21 is Yak-242, but Yakolev design bureau no longer exists.
    You can argue a lot, good or bad, but for any it is inevitable.
  8. michael Offline michael
    michael (michael) 29 October 2020 15: 33
    Douglas, and he was larger than Tupolev and Ilyushin combined, was swallowed by McDonnell, and then by Boeing. And none of this bred the end of the world and the country. The strongest withstands the competition. Now, if a competitor to Boeing and Airbus is created from these two half-corpses at the suction, it will be possible to erect a monument to Serdyukov.