Reusable carrier and missiles in Khokhloma: American media consider Rogozin a "dreamer"


The statements of the head of Roscosmos Dmitry Rogozin about the advanced Russian space technologies, ambitious plans and promising developments are far from reality and are absolutely untrue. This is the conclusion reached in the American edition of Ars Technica.


According to the editorial board, the stories of the functionary about the bright future of domestic cosmonautics and the conquest of deep space in the near future are more like science fiction than the actual plans of the corporation.

In particular, foreign analysts have great doubts about the creation of a "real" reusable rocket promised by the director of the Russian space agency, which will surpass the "partially reusable" Falcon 9. Ars Technica believes that Roscosmos has not yet taken any real steps to bring corporation to develop a promising carrier. Russia remains dependent on reliable but outdated of technologies, most of which were developed back in the Soviet Union.

The possible sequestration of the Roscosmos budget also does not add to optimism. The publication emphasizes that if all expenditure items are reduced, it will become even more difficult to implement the ambitious plans voiced by Rogozin.

It is worth noting that some of the "ideas" of the head of Roscosmos, which he has been pouring lately, as if from a cornucopia, are indeed perplexing. So, on the eve of Dmitry Rogozin proposed to "paint" rockets with Gzhel and Khokhloma, thereby advertising people who preserve unique folk traditions, or to put the coats of arms of the cities of the Golden Ring on spacecrafts, "promoting" domestic tourism.

At the same time, the manager compared the "white and beautiful" American ships (talking about the Crew Dragon from SpaceX) with "some kind of piano" and once again doubted their reliability.
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  1. Cyril Offline
    Cyril (Kirill) 12 August 2020 13: 45
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    Rogozin would not have forgotten the fofudyu and kokoshnik on the rocket.

    Lord, what a leavened patriotism.
  2. Ruslan Nikolaev Offline
    Ruslan Nikolaev (Ruslan Nikolaev) 12 August 2020 15: 24
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    So, if anything, the Union has already flown in Khokhloma in honor of the Sochi Olympics in 2014. About fantasy. But figs knows. Once upon a time, the Dagger was also a fantasy. However, let them laugh behind the puddle. It's good. Relax. If the United States exists by that time.
  3. 123 Offline
    123 (123) 12 August 2020 15: 32
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    The retelling of a short retelling by the American edition of the content of a number of publications is so touching. winked A great opportunity to once again pierce Rogozin's liver and kiss Mask's tailbone. laughing
    I was not too lazy, I found an article in Ars Technica, the content does not differ much from this publication, but there are a number of informative links to information sources, and quite curious ones good

    https://arstechnica.com/science/2020/08/russias-space-leader-blusters-about-mars-in-the-face-of-stiff-budget-cuts/

    I was especially impressed by the story of Kokorich, a native of the Siberian hinterland, who was born in a small town with a population of 10 thousand, in a house without toilets and constant power supply, where his grandparents (school teachers) were the most educated people in the city. Knocks out a tear. crying But the boy survived, probably in spite of the Putin regime, winked founded the first private space company in Russia, Dauria Aerospace, but something went wrong .... and Mr. Kokorin went into exile.

    According to Kokoric, the Soviet-era approach was too burdensome. After moving to the United States, he founded Momentus Space.

    What exactly went wrong is not specified, the company's website is still available.

    http://dauria.ru/

    True, there is information that activities abroad have been curtailed. Sanctions, however. This is such a free space market ...

    The reasons were found in an interview from 2018. It turns out that 2014 happened and .....

    The Russian microsatellite developer is closing its offices in Europe and the United States.
    This is due to the foreign policy and economic situation, which negatively affects the company's ability to attract funding.

    Mr. Kokorin realized that doing business in Russia is a mistake, said goodbye, homeland, brushed off a stingy man's tear, bowed down to his native Skolkovo, and was like that.

    And I, of course, did not subscribe to the fact that after 2014 of the year we will be cut off from the world market.

    https://thebell.io/stali-sheptat-chto-shpion-pochemu-osnovatel-pervoj-v-rossii-chastnoj-kosmicheskoj-kompanii-uehal-v-ssha-i-kak-stroit-tam-vodyanye-rakety

    Now he sits in California and tries to teach satellites to fly on water and gives various estimates, like this ... laughing

    Kokorich gave such a harsh, first-hand assessment of the national situation in space: “The United States is definitely number one, then the European Union, then China,” he said. "Further, I think India is now comparable to Russia, and perhaps even more advanced than Russia in the broadest sense of the word."

    PS For those who wish not only to stomp on the carcass of the head of Roscosmos, but to understand what is at stake, I recommend reading his interview in full. In my opinion, in the original, everything looks not so crazy.

    https://ria.ru/20200807/1575441196.html
    1. Digital error Offline
      Digital error (Eugene) 12 August 2020 21: 22
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      in the original, things don't look so crazy.

      https://ria.ru/20200807/1575441196.html

      In vain you provided a link - they will read it, but there ... lol
      1. 123 Offline
        123 (123) 12 August 2020 23: 24
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        In vain you provided a link - they will read it, but there ...

        And what's in there? Do you think information should be hidden from people? You become a politician. laughing
        1. Digital error Offline
          Digital error (Eugene) 13 August 2020 07: 48
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          Quote: 123
          And what's in there?

          And what can you expect from an interview of a federal official with the federal media - admitting mistakes and ways to correct them? lol
          According to the content of the article "between the lines" later, but about Khokhloma and Gzhel there is not a word in it. request
          Looking for an answer to a similar question

          Quote: 123
          What exactly went wrong is not specified

          I usually look at an extract from the Unified State Register of Legal Entities on rusprofile.ru. Dauria Aerospace (INN 7728716339) is an active organization, lost in court on June 5 of this year. about 6 million rubles. with an authorized capital of 292 rubles. The organization is "muddy" - in addition to the same person, there are 010 more organizations with authorized capital of 2 and 10 million rubles. and the average number of employees "113 piece". I draw an intermediate conclusion that the person who created 1 organizations (with the aim of "drinking" investors' money? Saving on taxes? Hedging risks?), Either has already achieved the goals of this creation, or "drowned in the murky waters of Russian business" ...
          1. 123 Offline
            123 (123) 13 August 2020 10: 45
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            And what can you expect from an interview of a federal official with the federal media - admitting mistakes and ways to correct them?

            But you strive to become the same. yes Will you give an interview? Or are you one D'Artagnan? winked

            According to the content of the article "between the lines" later, but about Khokhloma and Gzhel there is not a word in it.
            Looking for an answer to a similar

            Yeah, no, the article was pulled from many sources, I did not collect everything. With Khokhloma I don't see anything terrible. In what context it is said - it is not clear, maybe there was a conversation about advertising or what they were talking about at an exhibition of folk art. He did not say that Gzhel increases the carrying capacity and did not talk about the influence of the Khokhloma painting on aerodynamics.

            I draw an intermediate conclusion that the person who created 3 organizations (with the aim of "drinking" investors' money? Saving on taxes? Hedging risks?), Either has already achieved the goals of this creation, or "drowned in the murky waters of Russian business" ...

            The conclusion is erroneous. The man who "created the organization" left for California in 2014, and the conversation was about him. I mentioned the company itself in passing, not particularly interested. The company's prospects, in my opinion, were initially dim. Russian microsatellites without a production base? Let's see how his engines on the water will work. winked
            Do you by any chance share his opinion that we need to catch up with India in space?
            1. Digital error Offline
              Digital error (Eugene) 13 August 2020 11: 06
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              The conclusion is wrong

              Perhaps he did not "dig" deeper.

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              The company's prospects, in my opinion, were initially hazy

              I said exactly the same thing. I don't know about Kokorin (Kokorich), but the head of this JSC, according to the extract from the Unified State Register of Legal Entities, has a different surname.

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              do we need to catch up with India in space?

              Of course, I don’t think (and I don’t feel warm feelings for the Mask). Another question is how much is the merit of the current leader? Often it happens not thanks to, but in spite of.
  4. shinobi Offline
    shinobi (Yuri) 14 August 2020 07: 57
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    Wells once called Lenin "The Kremlin Dreamer." Rogozin is a chatterbox. But his blah-blah-blah, they have a perfectly clear meaning. Disinformation. Nobody remembers any more, but after the end of the ISS25-30 operation. roughly, Roskosmos (military, more precisely) plans to build their own station. There are so many screams in our media about the RN Angara. And the military slowly and thoroughly bring the A5 to mind. The question is - why, if the project is dead and that's it, not today or tomorrow they will switch to reusable ones? But because disposables are simpler and much cheaper at a price. It is unprofitable to cook them individually. Serially? Nice thing. You just need to pay attention to what they don't talk about, or talk in passing. Example: Yaroslavna's lament for Energia-Buran. How much sorrow for Buran. But Buran was not the main one. He's a passing bonus. Everyone remembers the first start of Energy? What was RN dragging on its side? Station layout? What is the mass-dimensional layout? And in response, silence, and the dead stand with braids. And only after the collapse did the infa, the layout of the combat laser station, pass. That is, already at that time we owned technologies that the West can only dream of to this day. Collectively. The problem of Roscosmos is not underfunding, but in the absence of a clear understanding of what kind of tail is this space for us? Even under Korolev, a clear understanding of the difference between the concepts of civilian launch vehicles and nuclear weapons carriers came. Hence all the throwing. The days of heavy geostationary satellites are passing away. Moon-Mars?