What will the Americans get by buying Russian S-400 air defense systems from the Turks?


Judging by Ankara's statements, Turkey can still sell the S-400 air defense systems purchased from Russia to the United States. In return, she will receive a return to the F-35 program, in which she was previously a "full partner". What Russian military secrets could then fall into the hands of the Americans?


Recall that Ankara is indeed one of the US partners in the program to create the fifth generation F-35 Lightning II. This aircraft is produced in wide international cooperation, a number of components are localized in Turkey. President Erdogan is showing great interest in this project. In addition to the F-35, the Turks are independently working on their own stealth fighter.

You can understand Ankara: in the neighborhood there is an old enemy in the person of Greece, from a direct confrontation with which sometimes only the membership of both in NATO prevents. President Erdogan did not share hydrocarbon deposits with Athens on the continental shelf. At the same time, the Greeks themselves have a fairly strong army, the air defense of which is based on the Arrow, Osa-AKM, Tor-M2 and S-300 complexes of Russian production. The air force of this country is represented by quite suitable fighters F-16C / D Fighting Falcon and Mirage 2000. In addition, in distant Libya, a clash of the Turks with Egypt is clearly planned, which also has a fairly strong army, air force and air defense.

To confidently resist such opponents, one must have a significant advantage in the quality of weapons, which was supposed to be done at the expense of the fifth generation F-35 fighters and the most modern S-400 anti-aircraft systems. The latter became a stumbling block in relations between Ankara and Washington. For the purchase of Russian-made air defense systems, the Americans expelled Turkey from their F-35 Lightning II program. She managed to get only five planes, which will not do the weather.

The quarrel between the two strongest NATO members is clearly not in favor of the bloc. Therefore, proposals are being heard from the United States on how the parties can find a compromise. Jim Townsend, Former Pentagon Affairs Officer policy NATO commented on this as follows:

I think the US purchase of the S-400 from Turkey is a clever way to get Erdogan out of the mess he put himself into. And if it allows the Turks to take part in the F-35, so much the better.

By the way, the transfer of the acquired S-400 to a third party is prohibited by the agreement with Russia, but, as they say, one more "yatagan" in the back, one less. What will the Americans get if they get their hands on the most modern Russian air defense systems?

On the one hand, export versions of the S-400 were delivered to Turkey, which have understated characteristics. If the complex for "internal use" can operate at a distance of up to 400 kilometers, then the "Turkish" - only 150-160. Long-range anti-aircraft missiles for the S-400 were hardly supplied, but it is not even they that are much more important, but the electronic filling of the air defense system. Military experts explain that if you try to get into it, complex equipment will break. In other words, the Americans will receive weakened air defense systems that cannot function properly without routine maintenance from Russian specialists.

On the other hand, we must be aware that the United States itself conducts intelligence activities and produces weapons. The same S-300, the predecessor of the S-400, they have long dismantled by cogs. How anti-aircraft systems function, the Americans themselves know very well, the question is in nuances. It will hardly make sense for them to simply copy the S-400, since they are not unified according to NATO standards, and this will require the organization of technologically complex industries. But to spy on something interesting to them, or in some other way to get the necessary information, they will probably be able to do so.
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  1. Bulanov Offline Bulanov
    Bulanov (Vladimir) 11 August 2020 13: 51
    +5
    Even without the sale of the complexes, the Americans have every opportunity to look "under the hood." I think this was also taken into account. And if anyone counted on the decency of the Turks, he is a naive person and he has no place in big politics. Even if a brother and neighbor betrays, what can you expect from the Turks?
  2. steelmaker Offline steelmaker
    steelmaker 11 August 2020 14: 02
    -4
    If Turkey sells the S-400 to the United States, it will be such a savory spit on Putin. Therefore, I believe that Erdogan will not agree to this.
  3. Arkharov Offline Arkharov
    Arkharov (Grigory Arkharov) 11 August 2020 14: 55
    -1
    Technically, nothing special. It's just that Turkish tossing and someone's unfulfilled stupid hopes will finally end there.
    1. margo Offline margo
      margo (margo) 17 August 2020 13: 57
      0
      "Turkish throwing" - about what? About selling a tomato to Russia?
  4. GRF Offline GRF
    GRF 11 August 2020 15: 03
    -2
    I do not know how many scimitars are needed in the back, but if suddenly after the next scimitar a poplar arrives, then someone may regret that they have powerfully cheapened ...
    What the Turks lost by buying the S-400, they already know, but what they will lose if they sell it ...

    Good! You don't have to answer, then there will be a surprise
    1. Alexander Bobkov (Born in the USSR) 13 August 2020 08: 19
      +1
      With them, after they shot down our plane, there was no need to have anything to do, no one would fly anywhere. Erdogan reminds me of Lukashenko, he wants to sit everywhere.
      1. Seaman_2 Offline Seaman_2
        Seaman_2 (White Sea) 21 August 2020 08: 29
        0
        Quote: Alexander Bobkov
        after they shot down our plane

        - is it okay that the plane was shot down in preparation for a coup against Erdogan himself?
        1. Alexander Bobkov (Born in the USSR) 25 August 2020 11: 17
          0
          Is Erdogan playing a fair game with us ??? This is a NATO country - it cannot be an ally to us, and even more so - try its equipment there.
          1. Seaman_2 Offline Seaman_2
            Seaman_2 (White Sea) 1 September 2020 22: 47
            0
            And what is dishonesty? Greece is also a NATO member. But we delivered our S-10s to Greece more than 300 years ago.
  5. KARAKURT21 Offline KARAKURT21
    KARAKURT21 (KARAKURT21) 11 August 2020 16: 31
    +1
    If the complex for "internal use" can operate at a distance of up to 400 kilometers, then the "Turkish" - only at 150-160.

    The author himself is not funny from such rubbish? laughing
  6. gorenina91 Offline gorenina91
    gorenina91 (Irina) 11 August 2020 16: 48
    -5
    What will the Americans get by buying Russian S-400 air defense systems from the Turks?

    - Why hell do the Americans need these S-400s ... - At worst ... - they themselves could buy these S-400 complexes from Russia (and the same "lightweight" ones that Turkey bought .. .- just easy) ... -It would also cost them cheaper than with Turkey on this topic ...
    - And the Americans are vandalizing with Turkey not at all because of the S-400 and not even because of their F-35s ... - but the Americans are vandalizing with Turkey for the reason that in the Middle. In the East, they need an aggressive and unpredictable Turkey ... - That Turkey, which does not reckon with any "EU-sheep" ...; with their Muslim neighbors and ... and with Russia including ...
    - This is the kind of Turkey that suits the United States today ...
    - And no matter how "frostbitten" Turkey is ... - all the same, the USA (this is not Russia) knows how to quickly drive Turkey back into the "stall" ... - And all sorts of S-400 and F-35 ... are just a "causal cover" ...
    - The United States needs a local war in the Africa-Middle East region ... - in Libya; but so far they have not succeeded ... - cowardly Egypt still cannot make up its mind (and it seems that it will not make up its mind) ...
    - Old woman Merkel was trying to "bring Turkey under control"; but after that Germany itself tucked its tail in front of the Americans (SP-2) ... -So ... - while Turkey is again free in "its manifestations" ...
    - Russia also needs a military conflict ... - after all, it is necessary to withdraw Belarus from under the general political attention and "move the arrows" to another region ... - but Russia has not succeeded either ...
  7. Zinaida Shuikova (Zinaida Shuikova) 11 August 2020 20: 25
    -4
    In Turkey, the export version, our S-400 is different, like a bang, no one will seem a little. They (the Americans) in the Black Sea have already put them in their pants.
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  8. assault 2019 Offline assault 2019
    assault 2019 (assault 2019) 11 August 2020 22: 18
    +1
    Fuck all the S-400s with Iskander until they were taken to the States, it will not be good for others !!

    If a sales contract was signed without the right to transfer the S-400 to third countries, Russia is simply obliged to warn the Turks about the imminent destruction of the S-400 when trying to export them outside Turkey.
  9. Monax Offline Monax
    Monax (Hermann) 11 August 2020 23: 28
    +5
    Throughout the history of Turkey's existence, we have been enemies. The largest number of warriors was with Turkey. So the sale of the S-400, even in a "cut down" form, is a big mistake, just like the Power of Siberia gas pipeline.
  10. RFR Offline RFR
    RFR (RFR) 11 August 2020 23: 46
    +1
    Someone doubted the "decency" of the Turks. I think that this was miscalculated during the sale, it will be cool. The States will take the S-400, and they themselves will throw the Turks, they can do it, regardless of any agreements. The examples of China and Europe are fresh, and then we'll laugh ...
    1. Essex62 Offline Essex62
      Essex62 (Alexander) 12 August 2020 08: 08
      +2
      The very fact of the sale of the complex to the NATO country looks, to put it mildly, not far-sighted. However, in pursuit of the cash purse of the bourgeois authorities of the Russian Federation, this is unknown.
  11. Handle Offline Handle
    Handle (Alexey) 12 August 2020 11: 48
    -1
    They'll get the donut hole. Russian S-400 complexes are reliably protected from any copying encroachments. In particular, even after the supply of weapons to Turkey, which has signed a contract with the Russian Federation, neither Ankara nor NATO will be able to gain access to the S-400 systems. Even if you try to bypass the password by hacking the system, the computer automatically cleans all the stored data, which turns the S-400 into a heap of metal.
    NATO, even after the ally Turkey receives the Russian S-400, will not be able to unravel the secret of the complexes. Russia has taken care of the protection of the S-400 from copying in advance.
    1. d4oden Offline d4oden
      d4oden (Denis) 12 August 2020 15: 27
      0
      I agree. Or maybe they can throw some misinformation. We'll write this down in the plus ... For their (NATO's) money.
    2. Michael I Offline Michael I
      Michael I (Michael I) 12 August 2020 22: 08
      0
      Who needs to open them? The most valuable thing is what and how they see on their monitors, what algorithms for calculating coordinates and distances, and this is the basis for the tactics of bypassing and deceiving the system.
  12. Handle Offline Handle
    Handle (Alexey) 12 August 2020 11: 50
    0
    Quote: Griff
    They will get a donut hole, Russian S-400 complexes are reliably protected from any encroachments of copying. In particular, even after the supply of weapons to Turkey, which has signed a contract with the Russian Federation, neither Ankara nor NATO will be able to gain access to the S-400 systems. Even if you try to bypass the password by hacking the system, the computer automatically clears all the stored data, which turns the S-400 into a heap of metal.
    NATO, even after an ally - Turkey receives Russian S-400s, will not be able to unravel the secret of the complexes. Russia has taken care in advance of protecting the S-400 from copying.

    Although let them buy, the more of our weapons from a potential enemy, the wider our defense network.
  13. Alex J. Offline Alex J.
    Alex J. (Alexander Zhigalov) 13 August 2020 09: 47
    0
    Why are they all so suddenly agitated? After all, I remember how not far off Putin himself offered America these complexes, why then should we mess up the pool?
  14. Seaman_2 Offline Seaman_2
    Seaman_2 (White Sea) 21 August 2020 08: 25
    -1
    Custom article. The ears of Yerevan stick out.