Belarusian media: Now Lukashenka’s fate is in Putin’s hands


In such a volatile political situation and in the conditions of massive fraud in the presidential elections in Belarus, Lukashenko looks with alarm and hope to the east - towards Moscow. Experts of the "Belarusian Partisan" believe that the fate of the President of the Republic of Belarus is now in the hands of Putin.


Despite the official data on Lukashenka’s support in the elections, he lost this campaign electorally to housewife Svetlana Tikhanovskaya. The tenfold scale of the early voting turnout, the absence of European observers and the exclusion of their own, the landing of competitors in the process - all this is impossible to hide.

In such conditions, it is unquestionable to recognize such "elections" not comme il faut even for such an indiscriminate ruler in political means like Putin. Lukashenka is waiting for his recognition and the issuance of a "label" from Moscow for the next presidency. In fact, the fate of the Belarusian leader is in the hands of his more influential Russian counterpart.

- noted the author of the material on the Belarusian resource.

But Putin will not be in a hurry, biding his time in a KGB fashion. He will not want to quickly recognize the results of such "popular will" in front of the whole civilized world. Meanwhile, Lukashenka will suppress the spontaneous centers of poorly organized resistance of the people of Belarus.
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  1. Sapsan136 Offline
    Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 10 August 2020 20: 22
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    Germany did not recognize the elections in the Republic of Belarus, and the Russian Federation needs this two-faced, Russophobic boor like a goat's button accordion. Behave yourself, Sashik, you need to be more decent and not be rude to the Russian Federation !!!
    1. Digital error Offline
      Digital error (Eugene) 10 August 2020 20: 29
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      Quote: Sapsan136
      RF needs this two-faced, Russophobic boor like a goat's button accordion

      This morning:

      Russian President Vladimir Putin sent a congratulatory telegram to Alexander Lukashenko in connection with his victory in the presidential elections in Belarus. This was reported on Monday by the Kremlin press service. "I hope that your state activities will contribute to the further development of mutually beneficial Russian-Belarusian relations in all areas, deepening cooperation within the Union State, building up integration processes through the Eurasian Economic Union and the CIS, as well as military-political ties in the Collective Security Treaty Organization. "

      https://tass.ru/politika/9160867
      1. Sapsan136 Offline
        Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 10 August 2020 21: 37
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        Putin and Janek congratulated, and Gunpowder, and even a clown. I don’t think Putin is stupid enough to keep betting on the Evil One, if so, then it’s time to retire.
        1. Gennady1959 Offline
          Gennady1959 (Gennady) 10 August 2020 22: 17
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          Putin made a mistake - stupidity (another). He supported the "ally" (with such allies and enemies are not needed) and opposed himself and Russia to the entire Belarusian people. Sooner or later Lukashenka will leave or he will be gone. How will Russia build relations with Belarus later? Apparently, the events in Ukraine did not teach VVP anything. Dancing on a rake is a national Russian entertainment. It's time to retire GDP. Doesn't catch mice.
          1. rotkiv04 Offline
            rotkiv04 (Victor) 11 August 2020 14: 33
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            This is HSP, and I remember that rake races were said to be a national fun of Ukrainians, but no, it turns out that this hobby has not passed away from Russians either.
          2. Sapsan136 Offline
            Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 11 August 2020 20: 46
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            And what has Putin got to do with it ?! The Russian Federation is not obliged to feed the RB at its own expense, since the RB is so independent. That would have become part of the Russian Federation, albeit with the rights of a republic, and not regions, there would be a different conversation, but no, and not here. Lukashenka's chair is more expensive than good relations between countries and peoples, if so, let it roll in all four directions, we will do without a parasite.
          3. race Offline
            race (Yaroslav) 13 August 2020 22: 26
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            Gennady, I fully support you and I think that a lot of people in Belarus think the same way. I myself wanted to write the same comment, but due to the lack of an Internet, it was not possible.
  2. Anatoly I. Offline
    Anatoly I. (Anatoly Ivanovich) 10 August 2020 20: 27
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    Dad got 80 percent of the votes without any machinations. All Belarus is for him. Well, who needs a flawed housewife there, even borscht who can't cook and who doesn't command anyone, except for the same scruffy husband.
    1. Larisa Larisa Offline
      Larisa Larisa (Larisa Larisa) 10 August 2020 20: 33
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      Hamlo you, my friend no
    2. 123 Online
      123 (123) 10 August 2020 21: 00
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      Dad got 80 percent of the votes without any machinations. All Belarus is for him. Well, who needs a flawed housewife there, even borscht who cannot cook and who did not command anyone except the same scruffy husband

      Maybe he did, but there is no faith in it at all. The formula - it is customary for gentlemen to take their word for it - does not work in our time. no If everything is so wonderful, he is confident in himself and has nothing to hide, why were all polls banned, observers were not allowed in? It's like with Musk, he also says that he has no business in the state (in the sense of not taking money), but at the same time all data is closed. Now there are two of them, gentlemen in white tailcoats. winked
      1. Digital error Offline
        Digital error (Eugene) 10 August 2020 22: 28
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        It's like with Musk, he also says that he has no business in the state (in the sense of not taking money), but all the data is closed.

        Or approximately as with the Russian Orthodox Church, regarding which it is also stated that religious associations are separated from the state, while there is a federal state educational standard in theology, and training in state universities is underway (in particular - MSLU, RSSU - budget, MPGU - budget, and, most interesting - NRNU MEPhI), and budget allocations are regularly received, if some "scribblers" are believed:

        https://www.rbc.ru/investigation/society/24/02/2016/56c84fd49a7947ecbff1473d

        https://www.ng.ru/faith/2019-05-16/100_190516budget.html

        God's will is not ours for everything ...
        1. 123 Online
          123 (123) 10 August 2020 23: 02
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          Or something like the ROC, which also states that religious associations are separated from the state

          You have an interesting manner of communication. Constantly slip some reading material. I opened the first link, read it decently, I'm not interested in this. Can you briefly state your thought or your task is to carry out agitation? Do you want me to delve into the essence of the issue on my own?
          As far as I understand, the essence of the claims is that the Russian Orthodox Church allocated transport for the flight to Antarctica, while the church itself earns decent money?
          It so happened that state money goes a lot, which formally has nothing to do with the state. Any public organizations hanging on the neck of the state, do not bother you? In addition, the second link refers to the restoration of churches and monasteries. In this case, there is nothing bad at all, this is a cultural heritage.
          Analogies with Lukashenka and Musk are inappropriate, does the Russian Orthodox Church claim that it does not take money from the state?
          So, you got a low-quality propaganda. negative
          1. Digital error Offline
            Digital error (Eugene) 10 August 2020 23: 25
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            Constantly slip some reading

            This is not to be accused of unfoundedness, and not to tire.

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            ROC allocated transport for flight to Antarctica

            Let them fly wherever they want - there is profit. request I led to something else - how can religious organizations be separated from the state in principle (article 14 of the Constitution), if at the same time they are not separated from the state budget?
            In the restoration of cultural heritage, like you, I see nothing wrong. There is an analogy with Musk - try to find open data on the financial affairs of the Russian Orthodox Church. So what, in your opinion, is the propaganda - in the fact that I think that the ROC "interferes" in state affairs, what should it not do?

            The activities of public authorities and local governments cannot be accompanied by public religious rites and ceremonies

            http://constrf.ru/razdel-1/glava-1/st-14-krf



            Ibid:

            religious associations have no right to influence the state system, the activities of state bodies and their officials, the state education system and other spheres of state activity.



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            Any public organizations hanging on the neck of the state do not bother you?

            They are embarrassing, but they probably represent the interests of some social groups (of which the state consists of many) and it is not stated about them that they are separated from it. request
            1. 123 Online
              123 (123) 11 August 2020 00: 12
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              There is an analogy with Musk - try to find open data on the financial affairs of the Russian Orthodox Church. So what do you think the agitation is - in the fact that I think that the ROC "interferes" in state affairs, what should it not do?

              I understand who you remind me of. yes TV channel "Rain. smile In order not to look on YouTube, for some reason later it turns on and starts pouring "depresnyak" into the ears. Just like yours.
              I am not interested in the reporting of the ROC. Show me the Patriarch's statement, where he says that the church finances everything from its own budget, and in principle does not take a penny from the state, then we will talk about this topic. You will not be able to impose your agenda and switch the conversation to criticism of the Russian Orthodox Church. By the way, you quietly skipped public organizations, and theatergoers like Serebryakov are not of interest to you.
              All this has nothing to do with Lukashenka. Good night. hi
              1. Digital error Offline
                Digital error (Eugene) 11 August 2020 10: 50
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                I realized who you remind me of

                Well, here you go, in the 125th column. request
                I rarely read "Rain" before, but now I have stopped altogether - they have a paid subscription, and the content is not so unique to pay for it. I admit that I can be wrong, but I try to somehow live with my mind.

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                you will not be able to switch the conversation to criticism of the Russian Orthodox Church

                I will explain my logic that prompted me to the comment under discussion. Lukashenka (although what is already there, let's generalize to autocracies in general) would like to rule forever and calmly - without a "booze". For this, it is desirable to "instill" "tolerance and non-resistance" on the electorate. Perhaps this (in the symbiosis of religious and power structures) is the secret of the strengthening of both religious structures and their influence on public life in recent years. It was this assumption, indistinctly expressed by the phrase "God's will is not ours for everything," I wanted to discuss.
                If you don’t want to discuss it, I don’t insist, but I have no complaints about believers, let them believe as much, wherever and for whatever money, so long as they don’t read my morality. request

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                theatergoers like Serebryakov don't interest you

                Why should I be interested in a marginal subculture?
                I heard about him that he was engaged in a kind of "controversial" art (specifically - "nudity") in Moscow (a large concentration of marginals simply due to the size of its population), stole money, was under investigation, the so-called "liberal community" tried for him fit in. It seems that he has already been convicted - in my opinion, according to his merits. Yes, budget funds were spent on it (they will be returned), but Medinsky's department continues to finance the creation of "controversial" films and there are no questions to him yet, and the scale of budget funding there will probably be more impressive. Again, say, "switch the conversation"? lol
                Still interconnected, "spherical horses in a vacuum" do not exist. request
                1. 123 Online
                  123 (123) 11 August 2020 13: 32
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                  Well - and you were there, in the 125th column

                  Well, you didn't try to hang labels. Rather, he described the manner in which information was presented. Literally 10 minutes ago, my "cloudy" channel miraculously turned on again on YouTube and started broadcasting negative. sad

                  I rarely read "Rain" before, but now I have stopped altogether - they have a paid subscription, and the content is not so unique to pay for it. I admit that I can be wrong, but I try to somehow live with my mind.

                  It is right good

                  I will explain my logic that prompted me to the comment under discussion. Lukashenka (although what is already there, let's generalize to autocracies in general) would like to rule forever and calmly - without a "booze". For this, it is desirable to "instill" "tolerance and non-resistance" on the electorate. Perhaps this (in the symbiosis of religious and power structures) is the secret of the strengthening of both religious structures and their influence on public life in recent years. It was this assumption, indistinctly expressed by the phrase "God's will is not ours for everything," I wanted to discuss.
                  If you don’t want to discuss it, I don’t insist, but I have no complaints about believers, let them believe as much, wherever and for whatever money, so long as they don’t read my moral

                  If you remember, I united Lukashenka and Mask into a group of "gentlemen" on the same basis. The information is closed, which does not prevent them from making statements, moreover, rather dubious ones. Lukashenko speaks about unlimited support of the electorate, but statistics are simply prohibited. Musk says that it is not funded by the state, while the company is not public, the information is closed and ...... is implementing a joint project with the Pentagon. To build satellites in the US for the military and not get money from them ... in my opinion, this is simply not likely.
                  You switch to another topic, instead of the "outer contour" redirect, we begin to "dig the inner negative" (which is why he compared it with Rain). By the way, Lukashenka has no "symbiosis" and no strengthening of religious structures. Does this make him less "autocratic"?

                  Why should I be interested in a marginal subculture?
                  I heard about him that he was engaged in a kind of "controversial" art (specifically - "nudity") in Moscow (a large concentration of marginals simply due to the size of its population), stole money, was under investigation, the so-called "liberal community" tried for him fit in. It seems that he has already been convicted - in my opinion, according to his merits. Yes, budget funds were spent on it (they will be returned), but Medinsky's department continues to finance the creation of "controversial" films and there are no questions to him yet, and the scale of budget funding there will probably be more impressive. Again, say, "switch the conversation"?

                  You focus on certain areas. We started talking about state funding, it is logical to assume that this topic is of interest to you in general. I gave you examples of who else, not formally connected with the state, receives funding. But you are not interested. You are not interested in "marginal culture and nudity" at the expense of the state, and neither are the various public organizations hanging on the neck of the state. I can add another example, look to whom and how Rospechat distributes grants. From this I concluded, in my opinion, justified, that you are interested not in the fact of financing, but rather in its direction. Your discontent is quite selective. Further, "we rise above the situation", look where and why attacks on the ROC are coming ... You yourself hang a label on your chest. yes

                  You understand everything perfectly well, these are your words:

                  Still interconnected, "spherical horses in a vacuum" do not exist
                  1. Digital error Offline
                    Digital error (Eugene) 11 August 2020 15: 58
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                    no "symbiosis" and strengthening of religious structures is observed

                    I will believe (there is no desire to check) and we will assume that my generalization in relation to Belarus specifically does not have solid grounds.

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                    I gave you examples of who else, not formally connected with the state, receives funding. But you are not interested.

                    Interesting, but these are little things, right? You can delve into the little things endlessly, and this distracts attention from the issues of efficiency and expediency of larger spending.

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                    look to whom and how Rospechat distributes "grants"

                    I looked. Thank you - I didn't know that the state finances private media, somehow I was not interested in this topic. hi

                    Two billion rubles from the federal budget is provided in 2020 to support the media (in addition to state media), as well as publishing houses and events in the field of electronic and print media. This amount includes grants to support socially significant projects on TV, radio, on the Internet, in periodicals. About 700 newspapers and magazines, 150 TV companies, 300 publishing houses will receive funding from the agency.

                    https://tass.ru/obschestvo/8736851

                    We divide 2 billion rubles. on 1150 "needy" and we get ...

                    the subsidy of the Federal State Unitary Enterprise VGTRK for financing activities and production of programs under the draft budget will amount to 24 billion rubles in 2020 and 21,4 billion rubles in 2021-2022.

                    https://www.interfax.ru/russia/678102

                    An inner voice suggests that there are far fewer VGTRK subdivisions than 1150, but budget billions are 12 times more.

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                    Your discontent is quite selective

                    This is natural - some topics are always closer and arouse more interest, others less. request

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                    You hang a label on your chest

                    Again twenty-five. Do not you think that the coincidence of some of the topics raised by the "agents of the State Department" with those that I raise can be explained not only by the fact that "I am paid well" ( stop ), but also by the fact that “over the hill” they are well aware of the internal political situation in our country and know what to write about in order to cause maximum public resonance? Do you think that such topics should not be discussed at all - so as not to "rock the boat"? But this is harmful for the development of the state - if no one discusses them, then there are no problems and nothing needs to be done - everything is fine ...
                    1. 123 Online
                      123 (123) 11 August 2020 16: 35
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                      I will believe (there is no desire to check) and we will assume that my generalization in relation to Belarus specifically does not have solid grounds.

                      I'm afraid the problem is somewhat broader. Under an unreasonable conclusion, justifications are attracted by the ears. First, you put forward a rather dubious thesis about Russian (and not only) autocracy, and attract the factor of the Russian Orthodox Church here. Moreover, even in the Belarusian example, this argument is clearly not valid.

                      Interesting, but these are little things, right? You can delve into the little things endlessly, and this distracts attention from the issues of efficiency and expediency of larger spending.

                      Are you sure that these are larger expenses? Have you analyzed and calculated everything?

                      I looked. Thank you - I didn't know that the state finances private media, somehow I was not interested in this topic

                      The business is not limited to private media. I will repeat once again, it happened so historically, practically all social, cultural and religious activities “graze” in the state “meadow”. Approach the issue of prudent use of the state meadow quite selectively. The criteria are pretty dubious. Choose those who, in your opinion, eat a lot and propose to kick them out. Don't you think a group of smaller eaters eats just as much? Moreover, I don’t remember any intelligible calculations of the volume "eaten".

                      Again twenty-five. Do not you think that the coincidence of some of the topics raised by "agents of the State Department" with those that I raise can be explained not only by the fact that "I am paid well."

                      It may very well be. But the simplest explanation is usually correct. There may be others, for example, pursuing the same goals.

                      "over the hill" are well aware of the internal political situation in our country and know what to write about in order to cause maximum public outcry?

                      That's exactly what I’m talking about. yes They need resonance and they know what to write about. You know what to write about and you need ......... (you can insert the word yourself). Somehow the external signs coincide. yes

                      Do you think that such topics should not be discussed at all - so as not to "rock the boat"? But this is harmful for the development of the state - if no one discusses them, then there are no problems and nothing needs to be done - everything is fine ...

                      Why, it is necessary to discuss everything, it is important - why this is done. I am plagued by vague doubts that "foreign" figures are rocking the boat to eradicate problems, and if the "passengers" of the boat are doing the same, and they do it in sync with external "well-wishers", I have doubts about the sincerity of their intentions and, in my opinion , doubts are justified.
                      1. Digital error Offline
                        Digital error (Eugene) 11 August 2020 19: 55
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                        in my opinion, doubts are justified

                        I agree with your logic (doubts are indeed justified), but not "intermediate" conclusions.

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                        the "passengers" of the boat do the same, and they do it in sync with the external "well-wishers"

                        The synchronicity is easily explained by the cyclical nature of the electoral cycle - a "single voting day" happens once a year. Tell me, if a reasonable person is dissatisfied with the adopted laws and wants to change it, then what should he do - throw glasses at the riot police at rallies, or what, with a predictable result? No, he will want to deprive United Russia of the majority both in his municipality and in the State Duma. In the absence of real political competition (we have already discussed), this can only be done in one way - to take away votes from the "party of power", forcing it to enter into a coalition to adopt bills, and even with a "systemic" one (some kind of "speaking" lol ) the opposition in the hope that this "opposition" will dare not only speak, but insist on at least some representation of the interests of their voters. Discontent publicly expressed six months before the election is useless in the sense of "taking votes" like a couple blowing a whistle without doing any work. Obviously. request

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                        There may be others, for example, pursuing the same goals

                        "Foreigners" want to make their lives better, parasitizing on the destruction of our statehood, and I want a better life for our citizens. To stop lying and start unconditionally fulfilling what was promised a long time ago in 2008 (strategy-2020), and not to transfer promises first to 2012, then to 2020, then to 2035. You are right here - in the absence of real political competition, dissatisfaction instead of constructive forms can turn into destructive forms, which "partners" will not fail to take advantage of. There are plenty of examples of this, therefore, it seems to me, creating artificial difficulties in registering opposition parties is dangerous for the state. No, I understand why this is being done, but where is patriotism here, if the risk at the limit is the collapse of the state as a result of the seizure of control from outside the poorly organized masses? Hopefully, according to the good old tradition?

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                        Choose those who, in your opinion, eat a lot and propose to kick them out

                        Not to drive out (they represent the interests of certain social groups), but to moderate appetites in proportion to the number of "interested parties".

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                        Don't you think a group of smaller eaters eats just as much?

                        Quite possible! For those "servants of the people" who voted to raise the retirement age, old-age pension is hardly expected as the only source of income.
                        And also about your doubts - we both know perfectly well how much "a lot" of readers "sinks" so deeply into comments and "masters so many bukoffs"). So why should I waste time commenting on the "35th from the top" comment - who will pay for such a "job"? negative
                      2. 123 Online
                        123 (123) 12 August 2020 20: 24
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                        The synchronicity is easily explained by the cyclical nature of the electoral cycle - a "single voting day" happens once a year.

                        The explanation does not fit, they have been doing it for a long time and systematically, without reference to voting day.

                        Tell me, if a reasonable person is dissatisfied with the adopted laws and wants to change it, then what should he do - throw glasses at the riot police at rallies, perhaps, with a predictable result? No, he wants to deprive United Russia of the majority both in his municipality and in the State Duma.

                        And there are examples of victories? I'd like to see the result very much. yes Where is this separately taken flourishing municipality amid dullness and despondency?

                        In the absence of real political competition (we have already discussed), this can only be done in one way - to take away votes from the "party of power", forcing it to enter into a coalition to pass bills, and even with a "systemic" one (some kind of "talking" word lol) by the opposition in the hope that this "opposition" will dare not only speak, but insist on at least some representation of the interests of their voters.

                        Pretty naive reasoning. Our opposition cares about the interests of its voters and only the disgusting "Edros" stand in the way of prosperity smile Do you really believe that? winked

                        Discontent publicly expressed six months before the election is useless in the sense of "taking votes" like a couple blowing a whistle without doing any work. Obviously.

                        Did you save your strength and prepare? Well, pragmatic.

                        "Foreigners" want to make their lives better, parasitizing on the destruction of our statehood, and I want a better life for our citizens.

                        What an interesting philosophy, it is worth considering in more detail.
                        "Foreigners" are going to parasitize on the destruction of our statehood, to achieve this "noble" goal they carry out certain actions.
                        You know perfectly well what is being done and for what purpose, you are doing exactly the same thing, and in sync with them, but you claim that your goal is exclusively to improve the lives of our fellow citizens. Don't you find a contradiction? repeat
                        By the way, "Zabugorski also claim that they want exclusively good and prosperity for us laughing
                        This begs the following questions and conclusions:
                        1) You understand everything and lie cynically. Moreover, it is very likely that you are working for them.
                        2) You do not understand this and you are mistaken, but then it is simply dangerous to admit such people to power, it is at least dangerous.
                        3) You understand in a very peculiar way what is best for our citizens, I wonder how you intend to deal with those who disagree and do not understand what kind of happiness has fallen on them, and they will be the majority. yes
                        4) Whom do you consider your fellow citizens, maybe you have something else besides the Russian one or have a chance to get one?

                        To stop lying and start unconditionally fulfilling what was promised a long time ago in 2008 (strategy-2020), and not to transfer promises first to 2012, then to 2020, then to 2035.

                        Are you going to be the first politician who doesn't lie? smile Do you think that these promises were not fulfilled solely due to the malignity of the authorities? They can do it for everyone, but they don't want to? Do you, of course, know how to fulfill these promises?

                        You are right about this - in the absence of real political competition, discontent, instead of constructive forms, can turn into destructive forms, which the "partners" will not fail to take advantage of.

                        In any case, they can turn into destructive forms, because you are taking actions aimed at "destroying our statehood" and political competition is not a hindrance to this at all. On the contrary, if discontent is directed at your political opponents, the destructive actions will only be stronger, because it will be an organized force with a well-thought-out plan of action. By the way, one more nuance, because it turns out that your political opponents are acting against you, thereby opposing those very "actions aimed at destroying our statehood." yes

                        There are many examples of this, therefore, it seems to me, the creation of artificial difficulties in the registration of opposition parties is dangerous for the state.

                        Based on the above, I believe you really it seems and it is just the creation of such parties that is dangerous. Maybe you should go to Georgia? Get some rest, see how people live. Everything is in order there with batches, register in batches yes And then you come back, if you like life there, continue your fight against the regime?

                        No, I understand why this is being done, but what is patriotism here, if the risk at the limit is the collapse of the state as a result of the seizure of control from outside the poorly organized masses? Hopefully, according to the good old tradition?

                        Do you also consider yourself a patriot? A sort of "synchronous-foreign"? We were surprised by the flexibility of morality. belay Do you think that it is better to intercept power from the outside synchronously with actions from within, leading and organizing the masses? Do you want to go to the polls with this and expect a certain result? You are an optimist. laughing

                        Not to drive out (they represent the interests of certain social groups), but to moderate appetites in proportion to the number of "interested parties".

                        The fact is that "interested parties", as you have deigned to express, are more numerous than you imagine. Maybe they don't go to church regularly and even once a year don't come for Easter or dive into the hole for baptism, you can safely add them to this group, you can call them "sympathizers" and such actions will not cause violent delight among them. Rather, on the contrary, with great interest and enthusiasm they will accept the idea of ​​admiring the initiators of such undertakings (that is, you) hanging in even rows on the trees, preferably in the company of those "interested parties" for whom you do not plan to reduce funding. Indeed, among them are the same journalists who took an active part in the action against the construction of the temple in Yekaterinburg. I would not advise you to play with statehood, you are clearly exaggerating your abilities, and this usually ends badly. The revolution devours its own children, not just words and said by far from stupid people, I think so.

                        Quite possible! For those "servants of the people" who voted to raise the retirement age, old-age pension is hardly expected as the only source of income.

                        Do you think this is the only reason? Do you have any alternative options? Did they make an extremely unpopular decision solely out of contempt for the people, did they decide to slightly annoy people before the elections? Are you exaggerating your analytical skills?

                        And also about your doubts - we both know perfectly well how much "a lot" of readers "sinks" so deeply into comments and "masters so many bukoffs"). So why should I waste time commenting on the "35th from the top" comment - who will pay for such a "job"?

                        You are dismissive of the potential "electorate", I am afraid this will not add to your supporters. However, this is even for the best. hi
                      3. Digital error Offline
                        Digital error (Eugene) 12 August 2020 21: 19
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                        they have been doing it for a long time and systematically, without reference to voting day

                        Exactly - I have neither the time nor the desire for this - it is energy-intensive, and I, as you rightly noted, try to be pragmatic. Take a look at the profile and see if I am active on a daily basis or still not - sometimes everything is easier than it might seem.

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                        And there are examples of victories? Where is this single thriving municipality

                        Sardana Avksentieva, Mayor of Yakutsk. The absence of examples of victories does not mean that there will not be any - perhaps you want them to think so - so it is safer / calmer (substitute your option).

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                        Do you really believe that?

                        I don't believe it, that's why I mentioned the term "systemic" in relation to her. My guess is that by gaining twice as many votes, she will become twice as daring - you chose not to mention. request

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                        interesting philosophy, worth considering in more detail

                        It seems to me that it is you - perfectly understanding everything, pretending. What the hell synchronicity, weary, by God. negative The Voennoye Obozreniye media holding has a much more popular site Topwar.ru, where they also often discuss internal political topics, there are other more popular sites - so why don't I "jump" on them "on top" of comments and why don't I do it around the clock? When the sun goes down, the flowers close synchronously - so what common goal are they cunningly and meanly pursuing?

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                        if discontent is directed at your political opponents, the destructive actions will only be stronger, because it will be an organized force with a well-thought-out plan of action

                        I already heard this on federal TV, until I stopped watching it two years ago. stop

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                        one more nuance, because it turns out that your political opponents, acting against you, thereby oppose those very "actions aimed at destroying our statehood"

                        Sophisticated in the same place and watching the substantiation of the party "United Russia" of their bills in the State Duma. stop

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                        Do you think that it is better to intercept power from the outside synchronously with actions from within, leading and organizing the masses?

                        You think that my "ambitions" are much more modest - excuse me if I did not justify expectations. lol

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                        Are you exaggerating your analytical skills?

                        Are you not "moving away" from the topic of personality? If their (relatives) were interested in their pensions, they would vote, I am sure, in a different way - the disappearance of the ban on real estate abroad from the amendments to the Constitution has miraculously evaporated. I can repeat the link to the discussion of raising the retirement age with the IMF after the 2018 presidential elections.

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                        You are dismissive of a potential "electorate"

                        In no way is it an objective reality. wink Numerous both our and foreign studies are in the public domain. On average, no more than 60% of those who started reading finish reading to the end of the article. Yandex to help.

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                        it will not add your supporters

                        Once again, I am not looking for supporters, I have neither the time nor the money to create any political platform, which still would not have a chance to register. I want to implement the ruling of the Constitutional Court dated 02.04.2019 No. 854-О:

                        The parliamentary majority, having realized its advantage in voting, bears the risk of losing electoral support and voters' trust due to the possible negative consequences of the adopted legislative decisions.

                        Political retaliation, no more - so that they would not "carry the banner", but were forced to pretend to be "self-nominated".
                        You have an interesting manner of communication - you want your opponent (guilty without guilt) to start making excuses, it is understandable, the best defense is attack. wink
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                        Exactly - I have neither the time nor the desire for this - it is energy-intensive, and I, as you rightly noted, try to be pragmatic. Take a look at the profile and see if I am active on a daily basis or still not - sometimes everything is easier than it might seem.

                        Are you not "shaking" the foundations of statehood on a permanent basis, because it is "energy-consuming"? Yeah .... Cynical, of course, but at least frankly.

                        Sardana Avksentieva, Mayor of Yakutsk. The absence of examples of victories does not mean that there will not be any - perhaps you want them to think so - so it is safer / calmer (substitute your option).

                        You gave an example of a conditionally "non-systemic" city measure. The question was a little different. If we are already talking about her, what exactly has changed with her arrival? Or, most importantly, not from United Russia, but at least the grass does not grow there? Is a formal feature more important than a result?

                        I don't believe it, that's why I mentioned the term "systemic" in relation to her. My guess is that by getting twice as many votes, she will become twice as bold - you chose not to mention

                        Why then? I can also mention if you misunderstood my question.
                        By the way, you also "preferred not to notice" about half of my comment.

                        Do you think they are just afraid? This is the only thing that does not allow the opposition to do good to the people - is it fear? As soon as fear disappears, prosperity will come on Russian soil?

                        It seems to me that it is you - perfectly understanding everything, pretending. What the hell synchronicity, tired, by golly

                        It's not about synchronicity. People break the support column, you perfectly understand why this is being done, come up from the other side, take out a hammer drill and start doing the same with a sweet smile. And with the conviction that you are doing it for good purposes, not that evil and not good "they". negative

                        Are you not "moving out" from the topic of personality? If their (relatives) were interested in their pensions, they would vote, I am sure, differently - the disappearance of the ban on real estate abroad from the amendments to the Constitution has miraculously evaporated.

                        I had no intention of getting personal. Let's try it differently. People, I suppose, are far from stupid and naive, make an extremely unpopular, one might even say - suicidal political decision, only because their relatives are well-off and they do not particularly care about pensions? Moreover, this decision will not bring direct benefits to them. I don’t know how I can not touch your vulnerable nature ... don’t you think that this is an extremely naive explanation for this act? Motivation is extremely weak.

                        I can repeat the link to the discussion of raising the retirement age with the IMF after the 2018 presidential elections.

                        If possible, repeat. I didn't quite understand what it was about.

                        Once again, I am not looking for supporters, I have neither the time nor the money to create any political platform, which still would not have a chance to register. I want to implement the ruling of the Constitutional Court dated 02.04.2019 No. 854-О:

                        The definition says:

                        1. Recognize the request of a group of deputies The State Duma not subject to further consideration at a session of the Constitutional Court of the Russian Federation, since for permission delivered by the applicants no issue required provided for in Article 71 of the Federal Constitutional Law "On the Constitutional Court of the Russian Federation" the final decision in the form of a resolution.

                        2. Determination of the Constitutional Court Russian Federation on this request final and not subject to appeal.

                        Read it again. The court said bluntly, “the deputies can“ go through the forest ”, this decision is not within the competence of the Constitutional Court. The shop is closing, go from here and do not bother with stupid questions.”

                        If you want to comply with this decision, then you can use Zorkin's advice. But you want something different so that the court will satisfy the demands of the deputies. And you do not intend to do this in a constitutional way, because there is simply no legal way to cancel this decision.

                        Political retaliation, no more - so that they would not "carry the banner", but were forced to pretend to be "self-nominated".

                        As for the "political retaliation", all responsibility is fully reflected in the same decision:

                        Deputies and factions (political parties) who find themselves in the minority are not deprived of the opportunity to both criticize their opponents and raise the issue of amending the provisions against which their amendments were directed during parliamentary activities. The parliamentary majority, having realized its advantage in voting, bears the risk of losing electoral support and voters' confidence due to the possible negative consequences of the adopted legislative decisions. This, among other things, manifests itself political and, in particular, parliamentary and party competition based on the principles of democracy, legal democracy and political pluralism (Article 1, part 1; Article 3, parts 1-3; Article 13, Part 3; Article 32 , parts 1 and 2, of the Constitution of the Russian Federation).

                        That's all. Personal "Wishlist", who should pretend to be whom, remain your personal wishes and no whiter. You are pretending to be a "messiah" as if trying to single-handedly execute a fair court decision. smile

                        Understand correctly, raising the retirement age also does not add joy to me, but what you are setting out on this issue is outright nonsense.

                        You have an interesting manner of communication - you all want your opponent (guilty without guilt) to start making excuses, it is understandable, the best defense is attack

                        I just expressed my opinion, drew attention to some of the nuances, asked some questions.
                        If, upon closer examination of your political program, you have to make excuses, are there flaws in it?
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                        By the way, about half of my comment you also "preferred not to notice"

                        You are there about the church and "near-church" - have already discussed. With regards to the journalists who covered the protests against the construction of the temple in Ekb - they cut wood, chips fly. With regards to those wishing to "hang in orderly rows" - you will not please everyone, such wishing will always be there now. I don’t argue about the carnivorousness of the revolution, but I don’t call for it, I will repeat again - I want to see a real social turn - have any ideas how to achieve this - to wait another 30 years?

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                        And you intend to do this in a non-constitutional way.

                        Come on, I made myself clear - I want to increase the "risk of losing electoral support and voters' confidence" by the parliamentary majority. This is quite constitutional - propaganda in the form of criticism, which takes place in my comments, is prohibited only on the "day of silence".

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                        pretending to be a "messiah", ostensibly trying to fulfill

                        Messiah is too ambitious. stop Consider this my personal "vendetta" if you like it - it never bothers me. smile

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                        maybe there are flaws in it?

                        There is only one flaw in it and it cannot be eliminated - I do not have my own political program - I am looking for one, but so far I see only "objects" of political influence and do not see "subjects". request

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                        Or, most importantly, not from United Russia, but at least the grass does not grow there? Is a formal feature more important than a result?

                        United Russia must bear political responsibility. There are no irreplaceable people - everyone is able to learn, if not from strangers, then at least from their own mistakes.

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                        with the belief that you are doing it for good purposes, not that evil and not good "they"

                        You are talking about the effect, and I was talking about the cause. Such a consequence is more likely in the absence of real political competition. Do you have any suggestions on how to induce the state to register real opposition parties? What is there to be afraid of - that their 3% will gain? Your claim is understandable, but it looks like an excuse not to allow the real opposition to participate in the elections (by the way, where is it, the one that is not pro-Western?) request
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                        I want to see a real social reversal - I have ideas

                        Don't you voice it?

                        United Russia must bear political responsibility. There are no irreplaceable people - everyone is able to learn, if not from strangers, then at least from their own mistakes.

                        Let it carry, am I against it? They say the elections are coming soon, let's see if a replacement is needed.

                        You are talking about the effect, and I was talking about the cause. Such a consequence is more likely in the absence of real political competition.

                        I'm talking about specific destructive actions, not about cause and effect.

                        Do you have any suggestions on how to induce the state to register real opposition parties? What is there to be afraid of - that their 3% will gain?

                        What specifically does not suit you about registration? The essence of the claims is not entirely clear.

                        Your claim is understandable, but it looks like an excuse not to allow the real opposition to participate in the elections (by the way, where is it, the one that is not pro-Western?)

                        I have no idea, by the way, I don't see anything really oppositional in your words. Criticism and desire to look for mistakes and violations. I don't see an idea. request
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                        What specifically does not suit you about registration?

                        For instance, (not adept) - why the parties "named after" Navalny, Platoshkin, Grudinin, Kurginyan are not registered?
                        Here is the promised link to the IMF Country Report # 17/197:

                        https://www.imf.org/ru/Countries/ResRep/RUS

                        Quotes from a report approved by per year before the "retirement maneuver" - page 2:

                        Discussions in connection with the 2017 Article IV consultations were held in Moscow from 10 to 20 May. The mission included ... The mission was assisted by Ms. Dynnikova (Local Office Senior Economist) and Ms. Chebotareva (Local Office Economist). The executive director, Mr. Mozhin, took part in the discussions. The mission met with Minister of Finance Siluanov, Minister of Economy Oreshkin, Chairman of the Central Bank Nabiullina, and other high-ranking officials and representatives of financial, scientific and commercial organizations.

                        page 14:

                        Although approval of pension reform can occur only some time after the presidential election, they (official bodies) discussed three sets of measures that could be considered: i) raising and equalizing the statutory retirement ages; ii) reduction in retirement benefits in the event of early retirement; iii) reduction of pension payments for pensioners under the mandatory retirement age.

                        page 24:

                        In addition, there may be potential for changes in tax policy that would improve competitiveness, such as a shift from labor taxes towards taxation of consumption (reducing social security contributions from 30 percent to 22 percent and VAT rate increase from 18 to 22 percent), thereby creating a temporary stimulus for exports and contributing to a reduction in informal employment.

                        Are the leaders mentioned in the first quotation far from influencing decision-making in connection with the resignation of D.A. Medvedev and the appointment of a "new" government in January?
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                        For example (not an adept) - why are they not registering parties "named after" Navalny, Platoshkin, Grudinin, Kurginyan?

                        To be honest, I was not interested. The first thought, the game of Navalny or Platoshkin sounds like an anecdote. Both are such nonsense that it is time to call the orderlies. I don't see any benefit from such. Why else would these clowns be put on government support? Navalny will now conduct "investigations" at government expense? Platoshkin says very strange things, I even slightly doubt its adequacy. Nothing but scandals should be expected from them.
                        For the first time I hear about the creation of the parties of Grudinin and Kurginyan, I'm surprised. The pre-election banner of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation throws down comrades-in-arms and separates? Nothing personal, just business? laughing Grudinin? There will be one more "shade of gray", a clone of the commercial party of the Russian Federation. They will pull apart the electorate among themselves and that's it.
                        I don’t understand how Kurginyan could annoy the "regime"; in general, he is more like a theoretician than a party leader. Sometimes, I listen to him, sometimes I wrap up interesting phrases, it's a talent.
                        I asked a little about something else, how exactly are they prevented from registering parties? Excessive requirements or bureaucratic obstacles?

                        Here is the promised link to the IMF Country Report # 17/197:

                        https://www.imf.org/ru/Countries/ResRep/RUS

                        Quotes from a report approved a year before the "retirement maneuver"

                        Here you go. good Now it is clear what this is about. You understand everything, but you are talking about the relatives of the deputies who are not interested in pensions ... winked
                        As far as I understand, the decision was forced, failure to comply with these requirements entailed the onset of unacceptable consequences. It is not clear how the new party could help in this case. For example, you are in the Duma, go to the rostrum in a white tailcoat and say - but I do not agree. no Or would Navalny help solve the problem? lol

                        Are the leaders mentioned in the first quotation far from influencing decision-making in connection with the resignation of D.A. Medvedev and the appointment of a "new" government in January?

                        It is difficult to say yet, it does not work for so long, besides, he was "lucky" with the pandemic. All the time crunch time. Let's see how the story ends with offshore companies. By the way, this sounds more interesting to the choice than, let's spread rot on the ROC.
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                        Why else would these clowns be put on government security?

                        The advantage for the current system is clear - to reinforce the illusion of choice. Since they do not sit down on security, it means that they are afraid that they will gain more than 3%. What do you think?

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                        are they prevented from registering parties?

                        If they talk about Navalny (not for lunch) - the last thing I heard - they refused to register a party on the grounds that a party with that name already exists. Didn't delve into it, but he tried several times.

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                        Or would Navalny help solve the problem?

                        Of course not. Everything is somehow gloomy and hopeless for you - give up hope everyone who enters here? Without initiative, somehow and without the future, the darkness is direct. negative
                        It seems to me that if you don't know what to do, you need to do at least something ...
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                        The advantage for the current system is clear - to reinforce the illusion of choice. Since they do not sit down on security, it means that they are afraid that they will gain more than 3%. What do you think?

                        An illusion of choice? For this there are "systemists". The fact of the matter is that they will bet "on allowance" only when they gain 3%. What is there to be afraid of is not clear. I don’t see any sense to spend money on “statistical error”.

                        Of course not. Everything is somehow gloomy and hopeless for you - give up hope everyone who enters here? Without initiative, somehow and without the future, the darkness is direct.
                        It seems to me that if you don't know what to do, you need to do at least something ..

                        It seems to me that a person going into politics should understand what he is doing and be able to solve them, and not just loudly declare that he is against it. Unless, of course, his goal is just to sit down on the security.
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                        What is there to be afraid of is not clear. It makes sense to spend money on "statistical error"

                        Well, register and the expenses will be "statistical". request

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                        talk about relatives of deputies who are not interested in pensions

                        Come on. Many have a business, rewritten for "mom" - remember last year's story with Metelsky. And if not, then it was, and the remaining bank deposits allow you to live on% without losing the "body of capital". So pensions, as the only source of income in old age, are not about them, hence the "ease" of voting ...

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                        the decision was forced, failure to comply with these requirements entailed the onset of unacceptable consequences

                        good hi And here we come to a discussion of a very "tight" topic - sovereignty, the indisputable existence of which is often declared to us from the "high tribunes", justifying all sorts of innovations aimed exclusively at our benefit. yes
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                        Well, register and the expenses will be "statistical"

                        Why pay a little if you can not pay at all? Because they want to? They should be driven away with a damp cloth, and not by the ears of unviable "organisms". I don't see a single sane argument in favor of such a decision. Remember, I advised you to go to Georgia to see?

                        Come on. Many have a business, rewritten to "mom"

                        Are you starting again? He seems to be a serious person, you understand about the IMF, and again you start broadcasting that they signed it solely out of stupidity and extreme remoteness from the aspirations of the people. Come on, you're not on the podium. You understand that this factor is not the determining factor. These are just words to "irritate" the electorate.

                        And here we come to the discussion of a very "tight" topic - sovereignty, the indisputable existence of which is often declared to us from the "high tribunes", justifying various kinds of innovations aimed exclusively at our good

                        It is customary to broadcast about sovereignty not only in our country and there are no less of our own braces behind the curb, they just call them names in other words.
                        We have a dime a dozen of professional whistleblowers, but what's the point? Let's take the same example with the pension reform. You go out and expose everyone with a proud look, and then at least the grass won't grow? Did you refuse and, say, you opened a parallel independent financial system on Monday? Or not?
                        Foggy reflections on "innovations" talking "in favor of the poor" (figuratively, of course). Lead to the fact that these innovations are not needed if sovereignty exists, therefore, they lie to us? One of two things, or there is no sovereignty, or innovations are not needed? The reality is that completely sovereign states do not exist in nature. If you want, give a specific example of innovations and see what they are aimed at. And it's not interesting to read slogans and chants. no
  • Sergey Tokarev (Sergey Tokarev) 11 August 2020 05: 45
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    Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko said his sixth re-election was a holiday. At the same time, for the second day there is no Internet in the country, protests covered 33 cities, the police detained over 3 thousand people, from the evening of August 9 to the middle of the night they fired rubber bullets at tens of thousands of citizens and poured water on them, used flash-noise grenades against them.
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    Arkharov (Grigory Arkharov) 11 August 2020 10: 09
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    Believe it yourself? There, it seems to me, they are ready to vote for the cat Tikhanovskaya, just not to prolong this absurdity.
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    RFR (RFR) 10 August 2020 21: 48
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    Yes, nothing will happen, they will hug and rush to hockey, and all the vyseurs of the collective farmer will pour out to him, it has always been so and will not change now ...
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    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 10 August 2020 22: 30
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    There are many such authors everywhere, who know everything better than the Putin themselves, and telepathically read the presidents' thoughts ...
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    rotkiv04 (Victor) 10 August 2020 23: 07
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    Yes, Putin has nowhere to go, there is no one more loyal to the mustachioed in Belarus today, and it is time for the mustachioed to introduce an emergency in the country and declare a curfew, otherwise everything will go according to the scenario of the outskirts.
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    Weimar maslou (Weimar Maslou) 10 August 2020 23: 53
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    Sooner or later, Lukashenka will leave or he will be gone. How will Russia build relations with Belarus later?
    Very simple! Will include in Russia and that's it. Then he will appoint the Governor-General of Minsk. AND EVERYTHING!
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    But Putin will not be in a hurry, biding his time in a KGB fashion. He will not want to quickly recognize the results of such "popular will" in front of the whole civilized world.

    - So our guarantor has already officially recognized the elections and congratulated Lukashenka on the victory ...

    Meanwhile, Lukashenka will suppress the spontaneous centers of poorly organized resistance of the people of Belarus.

    - Yes, what kind of hotbeds they are ... - These are just "fireworks of celebration" and popular jubilation on the occasion of the end of the elections ... - A very well and very successfully prepared action to let off steam from the youth provocative crowds, poorly organized by the enemies of Belarus, - parties ..
    - Well, let them rage ... for a few days; and then the Belarusian people themselves will approvingly welcome the way the siloviki will drive it into a stall ... - It is unlikely that anyone in Belarus from the people will welcome pogroms and street riots ... - everything will be blown away under general popular approval .. ...
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    Rashid116 (Rashid) 11 August 2020 17: 27
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    Putin has already congratulated. This rat itself is afraid to hang on the lantern with the owner (Chubais).