Military Watch: Ukraine sells the S-300 to the USA, and itself returns the S-125 to service


The Armed Forces of Ukraine are returning to service the previously decommissioned old Soviet short-range anti-aircraft missile systems S-125 at a time when Kiev is selling newer S-300 air defense systems to Washington, writes the American edition of Military Watch.


SAM S-125 "Neva" were adopted in the USSR in 1961. They first showed themselves in real combat conditions in 1973, during the Yom Kippur War. They destroyed 5-9 F-4E Phantom fighters of the Israeli Air Force. In 1980, several Mirage F1 fighters of the South African Air Force were shot down in the skies over Angola. They also have a US Air Force B-52 bomber shot down during Operation Desert Storm in 1991, as well as an F-117 stealth fighter and a US Air Force F-16 fighter over Yugoslavia in 1999. In 2015, an American MQ-125 Predator drone was shot down in the skies of Syria from a C-1, and in 2018, five NATO cruise missiles were intercepted.

Now Ukraine is actively modernizing these air defense systems. The latest version is called S-125-2D (Pechora-2D for export deliveries). The modernization made it possible to increase their radius of action and strengthen the resistance to electronic warfare. At the same time, the continuing tension in the southeast of the country and the frankly poor state of the Ukrainian Air Force indicate that the Ukrainian military may try to strengthen its defenses precisely at the expense of the S-125-2D. They plan to use these complexes to protect administrative centers and military facilities, but their limited mobility seriously reduces their capabilities. In addition, they are unlikely to be able to withstand the aviation of the Russian Aerospace Forces.

It is noteworthy that Ukraine did not acquire new air defense systems after the collapse of the USSR. Kiev still relies on the S-300PT and S-300PS of the 1980s as long-range air defense systems. Moreover, Ukraine sold part of its S-300s to the United States, where they are used for testing in order to develop new means of overcoming the air defense of a potential enemy and penetrating into its airspace.

As for Russia, Moscow has long since removed the S-125 from service and is now deploying Buk-M3, S-350 and Pantsir-SM air defense missile systems instead. They are technologically ahead of even the upgraded S-125s by several decades.
Used photographs: Ministry of Defense of Ukraine
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  2. Alexey Semenenko (Alexey Semenenko) 8 August 2020 17: 12
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    The Neva took part in the battles. The result showed.
    The three hundred did not participate, and how it will show itself is unknown.
    Moreover, modernization. Three hundred units sold only two, by the way.
    1. Kuzmich Sibiryakov (Kuzmich Sibiryakov) 8 August 2020 22: 27
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      Quote: Alexey Semenenko
      The Neva took part in the battles. The result showed.
      The three hundred did not participate, and how it will show itself is unknown.
      Moreover, modernization. Three hundred units sold only two, by the way.

      Can the new system be worse than the old one? What is included in its parameters has been tested and confirmed at test sites. Rest assured, with simulated interference, in different weather conditions.
      Even a radio amateur can copy the characteristics of electronic interference and do the same.
      1. Alexey Semenenko (Alexey Semenenko) 9 August 2020 14: 00
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        Choosing between Cayenne and Defender .... Who is newer? The key word is on landfills. The Neva worked in the war more than once, the results are known and confirmed. Three hundred, did NOT work. I know firsthand what a landfill is ...
        125, is being modernized very well. The only negative is stationary. And then, how to look ... for the object, the very thing.
        From the current about the interference, I don't need it, huh? I have been in radio since 78, and in YES, I was an electronic warrior. And in the States, they are far from amateurs. They sucked three hundred, swallowed and sucked ... Ali. Long.
  3. Have you already drunk the S-200?
    1. Alexey Semenenko (Alexey Semenenko) 8 August 2020 21: 15
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      Yes!
      We exchanged wholesale for hawthorn!
  4. Oleg Shlyapin Offline
    Oleg Shlyapin (oleg shlyapin) 8 August 2020 23: 56
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    I propose a new topic - Ukraine, at the behest of the United States, will blow up Chernobyl again! I guarantee success! winked
  5. Oleg Shlyapin Offline
    Oleg Shlyapin (oleg shlyapin) 9 August 2020 00: 15
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    At the same time, the continuing tension in the South-East of the country.

    And what the hell is this tension?

    frankly poor state of the Ukrainian Air Force

    For reference, quite recently, this summer, the Ukrainian Air Force, with their "frankly bad condition", was practicing interaction with the US, Polish and Turkish Air Forces, when 2 US strategic bombers entered Ukrainian airspace to fire anti-ship missiles in the Black Sea. laughing

    they are unlikely to be able to withstand the aviation of the Russian Aerospace Forces.

    Exactly 12 years ago, 08.08.08, when the Russian Aerospace Forces conducted a "peacekeeping operation" in Georgia, they were able to shoot down 14 of your unsurpassed aircraft, including one Tu-22 smile

    They plan to use these complexes to protect administrative centers and military facilities, but their limited mobility seriously reduces their capabilities. In addition, they are unlikely to be able to withstand the aviation of the Russian Aerospace Forces.

    How?! Why?! What does Russia have to do with it?

    In Ukraine, there is a purely civil war, and Russia is our brotherly country!

    Kiev still relies on the S-300PT and S-300PS of the 1980s as long-range air defense systems.

    Well, not only. But what is, that is what it relies on. In addition, these missiles were being repaired and modernized at Yuzhmash. So, there are no more pure Soviet versions.

    Moreover, Ukraine sold part of its S-300s to the United States, where they are used for testing in order to develop new means of overcoming the air defense of a potential enemy and penetrating into its airspace.

    And can you find out how many missiles the United States sold? Well, then, at the expense of counteraction - when a couple of years ago the United States from the Mediterranean shook the technique of the local dictator Assad, then Russia bravoly declared that the Earth was still round and not flat, because the S-300 could not do anything. At the same time, the Tomahawks were older than the S-300.

    It is noteworthy that Ukraine did not acquire new air defense systems after the collapse of the USSR.

    It's never too late to buy one. On the way, 3 new air defense systems are on the way, which will be tested next year

    Buk-M3, S-350 and ZRPK "Pantsir-SM". They are technologically ahead of even the upgraded S-125s by several decades.

    Please specify the number of advancing decades. laughing
  6. Oleg Shlyapin Offline
    Oleg Shlyapin (oleg shlyapin) 9 August 2020 00: 21
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    Quote: Alexey Semenenko
    The Neva took part in the battles. The result showed.
    The three hundred did not participate, and how it will show itself is unknown.
    Moreover, modernization. Three hundred units sold only two, by the way.

    Not only them. The United States bought a couple of units from us all the samples of the available Soviet-made military equipment.
  7. Oleg Shlyapin Offline
    Oleg Shlyapin (oleg shlyapin) 9 August 2020 00: 36
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    At the same time, the continuing tension in the South-East of the country

    And what kind of tension is there? Who's bothering whom, damn it? am

    frankly poor state of the Ukrainian Air Force

    Yes, it is for this reason that in the summer of this year, the Ukrainian Air Force interacted with the United States, Poland and Turkey during the flight of US B-1B strategic bombers through Ukraine to launch anti-ship missiles in the Black Sea winked

    They plan to use these complexes to protect administrative centers and military facilities, but their limited mobility seriously reduces their capabilities. In addition, they are unlikely to be able to withstand the aviation of the Russian Aerospace Forces.

    How?! Why?! What does Russia have to do with it? We are "brotherly peoples!"
    By the way, exactly 12 years ago, 08.08.08, when your Aerospace Forces were conducting a "peacekeeping operation" in Georgia, evil missiles from Ukraine shot down as many as 14 Medvedev falcons, including one Tu-22. laughing

    It is noteworthy that Ukraine did not acquire new air defense systems after the collapse of the USSR. Kiev so far

    Patience, friends! Next year, 3 new, already Ukrainian air defense systems are going to be tested at once. I think you, as always, will be happy for us. yes

    Kiev still relies on the S-300PT, S-300PS of the 1980s, as on long-range air defense systems

    What is, that is what it relies on. At the same time, all the workers of the air defense missile system underwent repair and modernization at Yuzhmash. So, there are no Soviet military complexes on duty in their pure form now.

    Moreover, Ukraine sold part of its S-300s to the United States.

    Specify - how much is the part? And can 2 complexes be considered a part? love

    they are used for testing in order to develop new means of overcoming the air defense of a potential enemy and penetrating his airspace.

    Yes, it is noteworthy that when a couple of years ago the United States shook old Tomahawks at your facilities in Syria, which turned out to be earlier than your S-300s, then you bravely declared that the Earth is round, not flat. Should have applied for the Nobel Prize in Physics for the discovery of the year. fool
  8. Kuzmich Sibiryakov (Kuzmich Sibiryakov) 9 August 2020 14: 47
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    Quote: Alexey Semenenko
    if you choose between Cayenne and Defender .... Who is newer? The key word is landfills. Neva, worked in the war. More than once, the results are known and confirmed. Three hundred, did NOT work. I know firsthand what a landfill is ...
    125, very good modernization. The only negative is stationary. And then, how to look ... for the object, the very thing.
    From the current about the interference, I do not need. huh? I have been in radio since 78, and in YES, I was an electronic warrior. And in the States, they are far from amateurs. they sucked three hundred, swallowed and sucked ... ali. Long.

    You do not know the IMPORTANCE of field tests for a developer. Only there is an objective design of tests possible, when the characteristics, task and test results are precisely known.
    In combat conditions, there is not the slightest possibility of taking all the necessary measurements. There, the results are smeared by the carelessness of the crew, reconnaissance and the entire camarilla, NOT HELPING, but interfering with combat work. The designer needs data that can be put into reports. Well, there is no need to trump your presence in the radio. I've been there since 1962. Officially, from the date the callsign was issued. You understand, I began to comprehend the basics much earlier.
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    Rashid116 (Rashid) 10 August 2020 09: 27
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    What rockets? There are two Ukrainians who have already defeated us with some kind of wunderwafles made of shit and sticks (they do that at home - huts). Everyone, we disperse.