Moscow's losses from the break with Minsk will amount to tens of billions of dollars


In the event of a break in relations with Minsk, Moscow could lose about $ 20 billion. This amount will include the refusal of the Belarusian authorities to pay debts to the Russian Federation, including the lost funds for the construction of the Belarusian nuclear power plant. There will be a lot of problems with the transit of energy carriers. In addition, Russia may lose the military infrastructure located in Belarus.


If the cooling of relations between the two countries goes according to the Ukrainian scenario, Lukashenka will abandon financial obligations to the Russian Federation. The external debt of Belarus to Russia is more than $ 7,5 billion. The Belarusians will not return the money for the construction of the Belarusian NPP in the amount of about $ 10 billion.

If the conflict between the two states grows, Russia will lose not only transit routes for the supply of raw materials, military facilities and payments of "debt" money. Minsk will raise prices for its goods supplied to the Russian Federation. About 42 percent of all products exported by Belarus are directed to Russian markets

- noted the associate professor of the Plekhanov Russian University of Economics Ekaterina Novikova in an interview Nezavisimaya Gazeta.

Russia's military losses will be difficult to overestimate. The Kremlin will no longer be able to use the long-distance communications hub with its submarines in the Indian and Pacific Oceans, as well as in the waters of the Atlantic - this facility, called Vileika, is located in the Minsk region. Its loss will cost Moscow several billion dollars. No less will be lost from the denial of access to the Volga radar station in Baranovichi - the station is part of the Russian missile attack warning system.
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  1. Sergey Tokarev Offline Sergey Tokarev
    Sergey Tokarev (Sergey Tokarev) 7 August 2020 16: 43
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    Refusal of financial obligations is equivalent to bankruptcy ... at the Belarusian railway station, they will ask for loans after that. And who will buy Polish apples from him, allegedly grown in Belarus? Maybe the Poles?)) And for the problems with transit, he will also be tapped from the West on the top.
  2. King3214 Offline King3214
    King3214 (Sergius) 7 August 2020 16: 55
    14
    Refusal to pay debts is called "default". Russia will survive, but Russophobic Belarus will die.
    1. Dima Dima_2 Offline Dima Dima_2
      Dima Dima_2 (Dima Dima) 8 August 2020 15: 43
      0
      Who will let them die? Kiev has been fed and Minsk will be fed all the more.
  3. Arkharov Offline Arkharov
    Arkharov (Grigory Arkharov) 7 August 2020 17: 06
    -2
    I wonder if this hysteria will end in a week, or in two?
  4. 123 Offline 123
    123 (123) 7 August 2020 17: 10
    10
    Particularly amused:

    Minsk will raise prices for its goods supplied to the Russian Federation. About 42 percent of all products exported by Belarus are directed to Russian markets

    A stingy man's tear rolled down the cheek of the Russian manufacturer. crying I don't know how many are oriented there, I looked at their website, about 50% goes to Russia.
    The Volga radar station is already 40 years old, probably? A replacement was built long ago, as well as a communication center.
    Do not want to return loans? So, let them rely on their own strength. You cannot yield to a blackmailer, but he is also a brawler and a provocateur in one bottle.
    1. bobba94 Offline bobba94
      bobba94 (Vladimir) 7 August 2020 23: 38
      +5
      The Volga radar was built relatively recently, but the fact is that the construction of this radar went on for several decades and during this time it was outdated. Now the new radar "Voronezh-M" in the village. Lekhtusi of the Leningrad region and the "Voronezh-DM" radar station in the village. Dunaevka of the Kaliningrad region, and the Volga radar station has become a symbol of military friendship between Russia and Belarus. (hehe)
  5. rotkiv04 Offline rotkiv04
    rotkiv04 (Victor) 7 August 2020 18: 10
    -8
    But father, a modder, divorces Putin like a sucker, then for money, then simply by blackmail because of people, and kind Russia, of course, will forgive the little brothers for loans and there is no doubt. Now, if Putin was personally responsible for everything that he gave and profiled, then the approach to this would be different, but it turns out that he cares more about strangers than about his own.
    1. Wanderer039 Offline Wanderer039
      Wanderer039 7 August 2020 19: 09
      +5
      Luke is a fool. He thinks he shit on Putin, but he shit on the Russian people, speaking on the side of Kiev, which organized the genocide of the Russian people. Putin is an old man, he will soon die, and the people of Russia RB will not forgive Bandera and Russophobia and will treat you like rubbish.
      1. Kuzmich Sibiryakov (Kuzmich Sibiryakov) 9 August 2020 16: 14
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        Quote: Wanderer039
        Luke is a fool. He thinks he shit on Putin, but he shit on the Russian people, speaking on the side of Kiev, which organized the genocide of the Russian people. Putin is an old man, he will soon die, and the people of Russia RB will not forgive Bandera and Russophobia and will treat you like rubbish.

        What does Putin have to do with it? Can't we treat the collective farmer accordingly even with his health? Washing after we accidentally see it on the TV screen.
    2. Dear sofa expert. 8 August 2020 00: 05
      +1
      But father, well done

      Well done, while against the sheep, but as against the Good fellow - the sheep itself.
  6. ioan-e Offline ioan-e
    ioan-e (Boris) 7 August 2020 18: 25
    +8
    Ekaterina Novikova is a venal scum that manipulates facts and fools brains for money! And she does not want to calculate how the break with the Russian Federation will turn out for Belarus. You don't have to be a stupid assistant professor here to understand that this gap for Belarus will end in the loss of statehood, and very quickly! And not because the evil GDP will enslave it, but because it will be torn apart by a sharp drop in living standards on the verge of starvation and "good neighbors" in the person of the Poles, whom the Russian soldier will then have to kick out of Belarus!
  7. Wanderer039 Offline Wanderer039
    Wanderer039 7 August 2020 19: 05
    +8
    Russia will replace everything that it bought in Belarus with import substitution, which will have a positive effect on the availability of jobs in the Russian Federation and the filling of the budget with taxes, and the entire industry of the Republic of Belarus without orders from the Russian Federation will collapse just like it did in Ukraine. The Russian Federation is not obliged to complete the construction of a nuclear power plant in the Republic of Bashkortostan in such a scenario, but to supply the RB with nuclear fuel, even more so, and without fuel from the Russian Federation, the operation of Russian reactors is a game of roulette with death.
  8. Valentine Online Valentine
    Valentine (Valentin) 7 August 2020 19: 23
    -6
    Nothing, we will swallow and we will eat, not for the first time, and But Father will continue to sit on the neck of the Russian people.
  9. Netyn Offline Netyn
    Netyn (Netyn) 7 August 2020 21: 06
    +2
    Quote: Valentine
    Nothing, swallow and eat, not the first time

    Sympathize with you.
  10. Bakht Offline Bakht
    Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 7 August 2020 21: 21
    +4
    This is not the first time I have heard that breaking up a relationship means giving up financial obligations. Someone is not friendly with the head?
    For example, the United States owes the whole world several trillions. How can you easily reset this debt? Just refuse to pay ....

    Associate Professor of the Plekhanov Russian University of Economics Ekaterina Novikova

    - just a fabulous blonde. And where did mom give her higher education?
    1. Dear sofa expert. 8 August 2020 00: 32
      +4
      For example, the United States owes the whole world several trillions. How can you easily reset this debt?

      Debt does not always have a negative context.

      The external debt of the state cannot be judged without taking into account important points.
      The point is not that the state borrows a lot and therefore everything is fine with it, but that dynamically developing countries are willingly lent money and they can afford to work with a large leverage. In this case, the main role is played not by the amount of debt, but by its ratio to GDP.
      And here's the fun part. The more debt in relation to GDP, the higher creditor confidence in the economy of this country is meant. That is, in fact, the effect of "credit history".
      Low external debt can speak equally about the absence of the need for this debt, and about the negative trust of creditors.
      The states must be given their due - they enjoy a high degree of trust. This is due to their cosmic duty. Whether they give it up or not is another matter. Simply refusing to pay will definitely not work. But also, as the ancient Chechen proverb says: only cowards pay off debts) So (as the Germans say) - we'll take a look.)
      1. Bakht Offline Bakht
        Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 8 August 2020 10: 14
        +1
        The explanation of debt and the debt-to-GDP ratio, as well as credit history, are all monetarists' explanations. It doesn't really work.
        If I have a debt to one bank, then another bank will not give me a loan. Despite my good credit history. I have an absolutely positive credit history for 15-20 years. But getting another loan is difficult for me.

        The states use completely different levers. The level of trust in them has already been declining in recent years. They just use the printing press, but others understand that a "financial kick" can happen. It is not debt or GDP or production that is critical for the United States. It is critical for the United States to maintain the dollar's role as the world's main currency. Converting trade into euros, yuan, rubles or tugriks reduces this role. When the printing press is in my basement, I absolutely do not care about debt, GDP and credit history.

        But getting back to the topic.

        "What is allowed to Jupiter is not allowed to the bull"
        Quod licet Jovi, non licet bovi

        States can afford to waive financial obligations (11 aircraft carrier groups and the Air Force give them such a right). But not Belarus. Ukraine uses only the next tranches of the IMF (that is, the support of the States). The same will happen with Belarus. Or become a colony of the States, or bankruptcy.
        There is a variant of integration with Russia, but Lukashenka did not go for it.
        Watching the sequel. It is difficult to predict something. To date, one thing is absolutely clear - the arrest trick did not work. Lukashenka can give them to Kiev as well. It will become of him. But he will not be president. The West does not accept him. He can draw for himself 70 and 100%. Maidan will be provided for him.
        1. Digital error Offline Digital error
          Digital error (Eugene) 8 August 2020 12: 25
          -1
          Quote: Bakht
          The West does not accept him. He can draw himself 70 or 100%

          Broadly interpreting your logic, the West has adopted changes to our Constitution. Well, or didn’t accept, but accumulates strength, and we are in a "surrounded fortress".

          Let us rally, citizens, in the face of an external threat.

          - the leitmotif that Lukashenka has, that Zelensky has, that we have. Usually they scare an external enemy when there is nothing to offer the people. request
          1. Bakht Offline Bakht
            Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 8 August 2020 12: 32
            -1
            What does the adoption or non-adoption of the Constitution have to do with it?
            ----
            As for the external enemy, you are wrong. The external enemy is not frightened. If he is, then they talk about it. Zelensky has a completely different thesis - Ukraine is the front line of the fight against the threat from the East. With the support of all progressive humanity.
            ----
            Take a look at the map and the location of military bases along the borders of Russia and then say that there is no "external enemy". This will be your WRONG opinion.
            1. Digital error Offline Digital error
              Digital error (Eugene) 8 August 2020 12: 57
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              Quote: Bakht
              What does the adoption or non-adoption of the Constitution have to do with it?

              The voting figures were reminded - 78%.
              How autocracies solve election problems:



              Quote: Bakht
              tell that "external enemy" does not exist

              I have no doubt about the presence of an external enemy. But it is clear to me that NATO, having pounced on us with conventional weapons, will win - if we do not use nuclear weapons. The same is thought at the "very top", having included in our military doctrine a nuclear response to a non-nuclear attack. Therefore, I think that the appetites of the military department for the parallel development of "100500+" non-nuclear projects can and should be limited - maybe then the budget will be enough for pensioners.
              1. Bakht Offline Bakht
                Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 8 August 2020 13: 31
                -1
                The recognition or non-recognition of the voting or election results does not matter much. More important is the buildup of the situation within the country, using this thesis.
                Concerning Belarus. Who can and is interested in the Maidan in this country? Russia, in order to overthrow Lukashenko (yes, not an angel, but his diagnosis has been registered for a long time and everyone knows), with the aim of putting a pro-Western politician at the head of Belarus (and there are no other opponents among the opponents)? It's just beyond reason. Least of all is the Maidan of Russia needed and least of all Russia would like to replace Lukashenka.
                So the "dad" sat down in a puddle and sat down firmly. An old anecdote comes to mind

                A sparrow was galloping along the winter road, completely freezing, poor thing. Then a cow walks past and shits on him. A sparrow sits in a cow cake, there is something warm and peck at. Warmed up, chirped. The cat heard and ate.

                Three conclusions:
                Not the enemy who shit on his head;
                Not a friend who pulled out of shit;
                If you are warm and satisfying, then sit and do not tweet!

                Lukashenka did not learn the third commandment.
                ------
                About nuclear deterrence. This thesis is not spelled out today. This thesis was first announced in the mid-90s. And it is spelled out in the defense doctrine of the Russian Federation. Yeltsin also signed. And he did not and does not cause any objections. Non-nuclear weapons must be developed. And first of all, those that are produced abroad. Unfortunately, there are problems with this.
                ------
                Caring for retirees is, of course, a good wish. But if independence is lost, pensioners will be taken care of .... will all of Europe rush to save Russian pensioners? The question is not in the military budget, but in the plunder of Russia. If you rein in the oligarchs and prohibit the export of capital, then there should be enough for pensioners. I only agree with this formulation of the question.
                1. Digital error Offline Digital error
                  Digital error (Eugene) 8 August 2020 14: 18
                  -1
                  Quote: Bakht
                  with loss of independence

                  If the "partners" are confident in our determination to use nuclear weapons in the event of a threat to the state, there will be no loss of "independence" (they will not attack us). Independence, by the way, is a conditional and "rich-vector" concept - in particular, we do not possess economic independence as such. That is why all good intentions to "rein in the oligarchs" and prohibit the export of capital will never be realized without a paradigm change (on the contrary, we would like to - would have been implemented in 20 years), and 78% expressed a desire to cement the paradigm.
                  If you haven't (before) watched the video via the link, it presumably explains why 78%, and not 68% and 88%, here is a link with a link to time. hi

                  1. Bakht Offline Bakht
                    Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 8 August 2020 14: 36
                    -1
                    You think too highly of me. Spend more than an hour interviewing some Shulman? I am not familiar with her writings. And, most importantly, I still have not seen references to her works.
                    Do you know for sure that the voting results are falsified?
                    -----
                    I don't see a change in the development paradigm. Same as you. But time is running out. You still have to change. This is not only my opinion. At the UN, the Secretary General is of the same opinion. As he stated, he sees "the four horsemen of the Apocalypse." This is still a slightly different level than Shulman. The UN Secretary General sees the main problems in international relations in two conflicts. A political conflict between the two largest nuclear powers (USA-Russia) and an economic conflict between the largest economies in the world (USA-China). So the thesis that no one will attack, I would not consider as an axiom.
                    1. Digital error Offline Digital error
                      Digital error (Eugene) 8 August 2020 15: 11
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                      Quote: Bakht
                      Spend over an hour interviewing some Shulman

                      The right, of course, is yours, that's why I gave the links with reference to the time, so as not to bother with a full view. For your information:

                      Political analyst Yekaterina Shulman was expelled from the presidential Human Rights Council. Earlier it became known that Valery Fadeev was appointed head of the HRC instead of 70-year-old Mikhail Fedotov.

                      https://lenta.ru/news/2019/10/21/shulman/

                      The dismissed Fedotov is a controversial person, but "stubborn" - perhaps it became inconvenient to work with him. From Wikipedia about Fedotov - one of the creators of the Code of Professional Ethics for Journalists. Member of the UNESCO International Advisory Board for a Culture of Peace. In 2003 - Co-Chairman of the Observance of the Treaty on Fair Elections. Member of the Board of Trustees of the Russian Free Election Foundation. He calls himself a "democrat" - he is convinced that "the highest form of democracy is the absolute dictatorship of a real democrat." He was a member of the federal political council of the Union of Right Forces party. Since 2004 - member of the 2008: Free Choice Committee.
                      Fadeev is an absolute loyalist - co-coordinator of the Liberal Platform of the United Russia political party, member of the Supervisory Board - Chairman of the Expert Council of the Agency for Strategic Initiatives to Promote New Projects. Member of the central headquarters - head of the working group "The quality of everyday life" of the All-Russian Popular Front, member of the interdepartmental working group on housing and communal services of the Russian government, director of the Institute for Public Design.
                      In general, the change in the composition of the HRC outwardly looks so that the disputes (in which the truth is born) are no longer needed by our president, but he needs calmness and "approval".

                      Quote: Bakht
                      Do you know for sure that the voting results are falsified?

                      If I knew that for sure, I'm afraid they would have planted something on me already. lol

                      Quote: Bakht
                      the thesis that no one will attack, I would not consider it as an axiom

                      This is an axiom with the very reservation that I have already voiced - our determination to use nuclear weapons (are there too many children of our politicians in NATO countries?) And their confidence that we will apply. So far I have no confidence in either the first or the second - a policy is being pursued "by both ours and yours."
                    2. Digital error Offline Digital error
                      Digital error (Eugene) 9 August 2020 21: 37
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                      Quote: Bakht
                      voting results falsified?

                      Here, today the "liberal" report caught my eye, page 31:

                      Adjusted voting result (excluding abnormal votes) - about 65% of votes in favor with a turnout of about 43%.

                      http://liberal.ru/files/articles/7625/%D0%A0%D1%9Covaya_(ne)legitimnost.pdf

                      What makes me think is that they admit that the overwhelming majority voted in favor, which I personally never doubted. The reasons for such a vote are much more interesting in a practical sense. In my opinion, the authors of the report assign too much importance to the category 55+ hi
          2. Kuzmich Sibiryakov (Kuzmich Sibiryakov) 9 August 2020 17: 05
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            Quote: DigitalError
            Quote: Bakht
            The West does not accept him. He can draw himself 70 or 100%

            Broadly interpreting your logic, the West has adopted changes to our Constitution. Well, or didn’t accept, but accumulates strength, and we are in a "surrounded fortress".

            Let us rally, citizens, in the face of an external threat.

            - the leitmotif that Lukashenka has, that Zelensky has, that we have. Usually they scare an external enemy when there is nothing to offer the people. request

            When the results of the fight against the infection are published, where Russia has lost its citizens based on a population dozens of times less than civilized democracies, you do not believe. When they say that roads in Russia have not been decided categorically and everywhere, but things are being done, if they say that we have built more housing than in Khrushchev's times, you do not believe. When they write that Russia has become the world leader in grain export (it bought it in the prosperous USSR), you do not believe.
            How can people like you believe in all this? They don't pay for the same loot. And the nickname you chose for yourself is just wonderful. Nature's mistake.
            1. Digital error Offline Digital error
              Digital error (Eugene) 9 August 2020 17: 51
              +1
              Quote: Kuzmich Sibiryakov
              do not believe, do not believe, do not believe

              Well, I'm used to checking, not trusting. request For example, voting in September will be extended for 3 days - yes, this is convenient for citizens. And the check (if someone wants to check - watch the voting process) will now take 3 times more man-hours. That is, we (the citizens of the Russian Federation) are offered to trust without checking - and on what, in fact, the basis - because respected people decided so? lol
              1. Kuzmich Sibiryakov (Kuzmich Sibiryakov) 9 August 2020 21: 07
                -1
                Quote: DigitalError
                Quote: Kuzmich Sibiryakov
                do not believe, do not believe, do not believe

                Well, I'm used to checking, not trusting request For example, voting in September will be extended for 3 days - yes, this is convenient for citizens. And the check (if someone wants to check - watch the voting process) will now take 3 times more man-hours. That is, we (the citizens of the Russian Federation) are offered to trust without checking - and on what, in fact, the basis - because respected people decided so? lol

                Paranoia is a dangerous disease. Under its influence, a person can have incredible fantasies, which he perceives as reality. Watch. You can't tell me the goal - for what? To find out specifically how you scribbled on the newsletter? Who cares about you, there are millions of us participating in the choice. Accumulate such information, and what to do with it? Is it a crime if you voted against? Can you tell me which article will be violated? And on what basis will the security forces graze the millions who voted against? The secret services have absolutely nothing to do?
                1. Digital error Offline Digital error
                  Digital error (Eugene) 9 August 2020 21: 24
                  +1
                  Quote: Kuzmich Sibiryakov
                  Is it a crime if you voted against?

                  No, of course, I myself voted against.

                  Quote: Kuzmich Sibiryakov
                  on what basis will the security forces graze the millions who voted against?

                  Are we exactly talking about the same thing - public observers?

                  https://общественныйнаблюдатель.рф/
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                  1. Digital error Offline Digital error
                    Digital error (Eugene) 9 August 2020 21: 44
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                    Quote: Kuzmich Sibiryakov
                    Check it out.

                    I have already checked it and gave you a link not to the "vastness of the Internet", but specifically to Rospotrebnadzor - a "profile" agency in this matter. Russia - 0,01% (as I calculated), USA - 0,04%. The difference is 4 times, not 4 "dozen" times. request
                    1. Kuzmich Sibiryakov (Kuzmich Sibiryakov) 9 August 2020 22: 25
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                      Quote: DigitalError
                      Quote: Kuzmich Sibiryakov
                      Check it out.

                      I have already checked it and gave you a link not to the "vastness of the Internet", but specifically to Rospotrebnadzor - a "profile" agency in this matter. Russia - 0,01% (as I calculated), USA - 0,04%. The difference is 4 times, not 4 "dozen" times. request

                      Good. Links:

                      https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/
                      index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

                      There is no information on conducting tests in Russia here. For Russia, I take information here:

                      https://yandex.ru/covid19/stat?utm_source=main_notif&geoId=225
              3. Kuzmich Sibiryakov (Kuzmich Sibiryakov) 9 August 2020 21: 31
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                Check it out. Taken from the vastness of the Internet.


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            3. Digital error Offline Digital error
              Digital error (Eugene) 9 August 2020 18: 18
              0
              Quote: Kuzmich Sibiryakov
              Russia has lost its citizens per population ten times less than civilized democracies

              Russia - 0,010%, France - 0,046%, Germany - 0,011%, Great Britain - 0,071%. I took the population with an accuracy of a million on Wikipedia, the number of deaths from the Rospotrebnadzor bulletin "The number of cases in the world":

              https://www.rospotrebnadzor.ru/about/info/news/news_details.php?ELEMENT_ID=15124

              So where is it ten times over? Italy and the United States were deliberately not included in the comparison - they are not interested in extremes, but in the "average temperature in the hospital" and here we are not special in spite of "extraordinary measures taken by the Central Committee of the CPSU" request For your hurray-patriotic (I'm talking about your "nickname") information - when it all started, Turkey introduced a ban on the commercial sale of masks - Turkish citizens received them from the state "free" (against the taxes paid):

              https://tass.ru/obschestvo/8174947
              1. Kuzmich Sibiryakov (Kuzmich Sibiryakov) 9 August 2020 21: 43
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                Quote: DigitalError
                To your hurray-patriotic (I'm talking about your "nickname") information

                What can I do, I really am Kuzmich. And he lived in Siberia for over 35 years. So, there is nothing calling or calling here.
              2. Kuzmich Sibiryakov (Kuzmich Sibiryakov) 9 August 2020 22: 41
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                Quote: DigitalError
                Russia - 0,010%, France - 0,046%, Germany - 0,011%, Great Britain - 0,071%.

                Late to correct. I am writing a new message. Compare:

            4. Digital error Offline Digital error
              Digital error (Eugene) 9 August 2020 18: 37
              +1
              Quote: Kuzmich Sibiryakov
              with roads in Russia, if not decided categorically and everywhere

              Alas, where I live (monotown) - not categorically and not everywhere. But I don't go to Moscow - the quality of its dear to me is "lilac", excuse me. request

              Quote: Kuzmich Sibiryakov
              We have built more housing than in Khrushchev's times

              Perhaps because the state, through subsidizing mortgages, invests in the business of "developers" - such as housing for the people (in a mortgage for 20 years), and for the developer - compensation for lost profits (the difference between the market interest rate of 10-12% and the preferential rate of 5%) from the federal budget. Remind budget, who fills?

              Quote: Kuzmich Sibiryakov
              became the world leader in grain export

              Good news. Grain, oil, gas, timber. What else are we leading in terms of export? "Promised" here alone by 2020 25 million new, high-tech jobs, and then Tereshkova asked him to stay. request

              Quote: Kuzmich Sibiryakov
              They don't pay for the same loot

              125th column, well, well. Although no, already 126th, something a lot of us divorced. laughing

              Quote: Kuzmich Sibiryakov
              the nickname you chose is just wonderful

              This is a declaration of the right to error, nothing more. If I am wrong (we are all human), then I am quite capable of admitting this under the pressure of facts. Are you capable?
              1. Kuzmich Sibiryakov (Kuzmich Sibiryakov) 9 August 2020 21: 37
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                Quote: DigitalError
                This is a declaration of the right to error, nothing more. If I am wrong (we are all human), then I am quite capable of admitting this under the pressure of facts. Are you capable?

                As the famous Ilf and Petrov (my beloved) advised, not to speak badly about yourself. You have to wait for your friends to do it for you.
              2. Kuzmich Sibiryakov (Kuzmich Sibiryakov) 9 August 2020 21: 45
                -1
                Quote: DigitalError
                Alas, where I live (monotown) - not categorically and not everywhere. And I don't go to Moscow - the quality of its dear to me is "lilac", excuse me

                A very familiar position. My hut is on the edge .... The principle of non-interference in anything. Then why are you here? Unlike you, I am glad to see how many and what roads have appeared in our Penza region. I am pleased how many have been built. I am pleased that the roads in our city are clogged with cars. This is good - a lot of people have ... and it's sad that you need to embroider narrows. This is encouraging. We are not going to live for the last year. Well, you rainbow purple ... it's up to you.
                1. Digital error Offline Digital error
                  Digital error (Eugene) 9 August 2020 21: 49
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                  Quote: Kuzmich Sibiryakov
                  A very familiar position. My hut is on the edge

                  A very familiar objection from Edross - "criticize - offer, offer - do, done - answer" lol What can I do for the Moscow roads - voluntarily donate money to the charitable foundation of the "All-Union Congress of Philatelists"? laughing
                  Not an adept, but reminded:

                  1. Kuzmich Sibiryakov (Kuzmich Sibiryakov) 9 August 2020 22: 44
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                    Quote: DigitalError
                    Quote: Kuzmich Sibiryakov
                    A very familiar position. My hut is on the edge

                    A very familiar objection from Edross - "criticize - offer, offer - do, done - answer" lol What can I do for the Moscow roads - voluntarily donate money to the charitable foundation of the "All-Union Congress of Philatelists"? laughing
                    Not an adept, but reminded:


                    You may not be a poet, but you must be a citizen. Can't you remember whose words these are? Don't you think that this is Nekrasov? If you have this pod on the banner, then you are a couple of steps to it. I have N.A. Nekrasov.
                    1. Digital error Offline Digital error
                      Digital error (Eugene) 9 August 2020 23: 10
                      +1
                      Quote: Kuzmich Sibiryakov
                      a couple of steps before him

                      What banner are you? This "bad man" urged those who had objections not to vote on the Constitution, which gave the state propaganda a reason to assert that only 22% were against. I said, read carefully: "Not an adept, but reminded me." What exactly is he wrong here - were many "oppositionists" admitted to the Moscow City Duma before the elections last summer?
              3. Kuzmich Sibiryakov (Kuzmich Sibiryakov) 9 August 2020 21: 58
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                Quote: DigitalError
                Perhaps because the state, through subsidizing mortgages, invests in the business of "developers" - such as housing for the people (in a mortgage for 20 years), and for the developer - compensation for lost profits (the difference between the market interest rate of 10-12% and the preferential rate of 5%) from the federal budget. Remind budget, who fills?

                What do you suggest? Rape banks, forcing them to give interest-free loans, or print dough, giving out to everyone? How about understanding the laws of economic functioning? Your brain does not understand that ANY donations primarily cause withdrawals. From the budget that is being collected ..... And in the second case, non-targeted expenses. That in this particular case can be regarded as theft. Imagine - your mother gave you a ruble for milk, and you, a bitch, bought cigarettes with this money. Will your loving mom whip you? I think, of course.
                1. plabu Offline plabu
                  plabu 10 August 2020 00: 26
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                  Quote: Kuzmich Sibiryakov
                  ... What do you suggest? Rape banks, forcing them to give interest-free loans, or print dough, giving out to everyone? How about understanding the laws of economic functioning? Your brain does not understand that ANY donations primarily cause withdrawals. From the budget that is being collected ..... And in the second case - non-targeted expenses. That in this particular case can be regarded as theft. Imagine - your mother gave you a ruble for milk, and you, a bitch, bought cigarettes with this money. Will your loving mom whip you? I think, of course.

                  Poor, poor banks - well, they are already raped. bully
                  How does something start - banks are stuffing money - from the budget, for which the banks did what? That's right, they were buying up foreign currency, what kind of credit for the economy, they don't need it, why? Yes, and find out what percentage we have in the country, and at what percentage not so long ago our rather big bank issued loans over the hill ...
                  So is he ours, or theirs?
                  So what about the "laws of economics" - study first yourself - OUR economy, and not the one that is written in books - how many years have we been rubbed in about the fact that "the market will regulate everything itself"? How are the results of this "regulation" ???
                  1. Kuzmich Sibiryakov (Kuzmich Sibiryakov) 10 August 2020 15: 54
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                    Quote: Kuzmich Sibiryakov
                    ... What do you suggest? Rape banks, forcing them to give interest-free loans, or print dough, giving out to everyone? How about understanding the laws of economic functioning? Your brain does not understand that ANY donations primarily cause withdrawals. From the budget that is being collected ..... And in the second case - non-targeted expenses. That in this particular case can be regarded as theft. Imagine - your mother gave you a ruble for milk, and you, a bitch, bought cigarettes with this money. Will your loving mom whip you? I think, of course.

                    Poor, poor banks - well, they are already raped. bully
                    How does something start - banks are stuffing money - from the budget, for which the banks did what? That's right, they were buying up foreign currency, what kind of credit for the economy, they don't need it, why? Yes, and find out what percentage we have in the country, and at what percentage not so long ago our rather big bank issued loans over the hill ...
                    So is he ours, or theirs?
                    So what about the "laws of economics" - study first yourself - OUR economy, and not the one that is written in books - how many years have we been rubbed in about the fact that "the market will regulate everything itself"? How are the results of this "regulation" ???

                    Poor banks, that's quite right. If only because they do not have their own money. There is only depositors' money, and the margin, which they, of course, rightly, earn. Nobody will work for free. Free is when the demon pays. The bank will never lend money at interest, below the inflation rate. And this does not depend on them. In a huge share, of course. Further, how to risk other people's money, if there are a lot of crooks, defaulters and outright marauders, and the state has little effect on order in the country. We need airbags. Hence the size of the margin. Further. Tax rules. They do not prohibit making absolutely ugly profits. Will you charge a 5% percentage (officially slightly higher than inflation), but much lower than your competitor? You will be destroyed, just as your stall in the bazaar will be smashed if you sell potatoes there for half the price of your neighbors. So, cartel agreements are a great force with us. You need to understand that it is not the banks that establish order in the country, but the state bodies.
                    Inflation. In our country, it is reduced by the method of withdrawing the dough from the economy, throwing it into stabilization funds. For THEM inflation is reduced by competition and a steep tax scale, when profits cannot be more than 5% per year. Curiosity about the percentage of retail chains. Nobody will move there for 200%.
                    Of course, it is more correct to let production and not banks live and breathe, BUT ... There are few banks, but there are many factories, factories, workshops and poultry farms. What's easier to steer? And, if you interfere in the production process of EVERYTHING - from matches to missiles, then this is, after all, a return to the USSR. Then why were the pots beaten? On the contrary, we need competitive working conditions for a private producer. The state, a monopolist, will never create a competitor for itself. Any monopolist is interested in maintaining the status quo.
                    1. plabu Offline plabu
                      plabu 10 August 2020 17: 47
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                      There is a suspicion that you have little idea about the work of banks, and the percentage that they have ...
                      Plus, you think that pumping banks with money is almost normal - I am not interested further ...
  11. begemot20091 Offline begemot20091
    begemot20091 (begemot20091) 7 August 2020 21: 57
    +4
    The associate professor of the Plekhanov Russian University of Economics Yekaterina Novikova noted in an interview with Nezavisimaya Gazeta.

    It looks like my students who have failed students wrote for her. To say about a woman "fool" somehow does not rise. I will say it kindly - a misunderstanding

  12. Pound Offline Pound
    Pound (Alexander) 7 August 2020 22: 01
    +2
    And how much will Belarus lose, and who will reckon with it after giving up its debts?
  13. Alexey Semenenko (Alexey Semenenko) 7 August 2020 22: 54
    -4
    Russia will not lose anything from a break with Belarus.
    1. bratchanin3 Offline bratchanin3
      bratchanin3 (Gennady) 8 August 2020 14: 48
      +3
      Russia, of course, will lose a lot of money and its precious time, but this is an adequate price to get the gluttonous parasites and arrogant blackmailers off its neck.
      1. Kuzmich Sibiryakov (Kuzmich Sibiryakov) 9 August 2020 16: 07
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        Quote: bratchanin3
        Russia, of course, will lose a lot of money and its precious time, but this is an adequate price to get the gluttonous parasites and arrogant blackmailers off its neck.

        Do not worry. There will be pseudo-elections. Putin, frightened by his rivals and their frankly fascist ideas, will be glad to embrace his prodigal younger brother. And the younger brother, on a knurled track, will continue to bastard, trading not only his homeland, but everyone else, trying to balance on the razor's edge.
  14. bratchanin3 Offline bratchanin3
    bratchanin3 (Gennady) 8 August 2020 14: 45
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    Well, yes, of course, severing relations with Belarusians is very costly, but who calculated how much their independence will cost the Belarusians? Everyone already knows or guesses what the Bandera's non-profitability cost, and this process is not over yet and it is not clear how it will end. And in relation to the Belarusians, the author proposes to kneel down so that 10 million neighbors would be more comfortable on the Russian neck ??? But these self-styled people will not sit quietly on our necks!
    1. Alexey Semenenko (Alexey Semenenko) 8 August 2020 17: 21
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      It has not yet been calculated how much Russia lost from the breakdown of military-technical cooperation with Ukraine.
      And that's just a military man.
      1. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
        Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 8 August 2020 20: 11
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        Russia only won, lost Ukraine. In the Russian Federation, factories have opened, it has ceased to depend on the whims of a foreign, Russophobic hamle, and this is a positive.
        1. Alexey Semenenko (Alexey Semenenko) 8 August 2020 21: 05
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          Oppa!
          Spetsnaz on the wire!
          Well, expert, how many gas turbine engines have been produced for the fleet since 2014? How many new marine diesel engines, instead of the German ones? Where are the aircraft engines? Come on, go skiing. In the style of "and in America they lynch blacks!"
          1. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
            Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 8 August 2020 22: 08
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            And how many planes and ships have Ukraine built since 2014, and the UKROP? We have everything, but you have nothing and never will. Today, 2 corvettes 20380 and 1 frigate 22350 are being built for the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Federation, this is for the information of the Bandera spitz, who, as you know, bark, and the caravan moves on. The head corvette 20385 was tested with domestic engines, instead of German ones, so wipe and wipe away your tears, along with the clown you put in place of the drunk pastry chef.
            1. Alexey Semenenko (Alexey Semenenko) 9 August 2020 13: 26
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              Allowed!
              I was talking about RusFlot and the Federal Air Transport Agency, I asked, actually ...
              1. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
                Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 9 August 2020 19: 21
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                And corvettes 20385 is not a Rusflot, eh ?! It was on them that German engines were replaced with domestic ones and the lead ship of the series is already at sea, so you can go eat socks like Misha tie!
                1. Alexey Semenenko (Alexey Semenenko) 9 August 2020 23: 02
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                  Can you name the model?)))
                  1. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
                    Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 10 August 2020 10: 10
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                    DDA-12000. This is a domestic engine that is installed on the new 20385 corvettes instead of the German ones. By the way, German diesel engines showed themselves lousy, MRK Buyan-M, equipped with it, have already begun to get up for repairs. Yes, and Mercedes today are not the cars that were produced in 1980. Then they were unkillable, now it's bullshit. From Mercedes in them only the name and the nameplate on the radiator grill remained.
                    1. Alexey Semenenko (Alexey Semenenko) 10 August 2020 11: 20
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                      These are TWO diesel locomotive engines, they failed to rivet one ...

                      The delivery of the ship to the fleet was scheduled for December 25, 2019 [17], but this never happened.
                      Preparing for transfer to the Pacific Fleet in August 2020.

                      - this is from Wiki.
                      Can't you tell me why they can't pass for three years? Maybe the diesel won't start? laughing
                      By the way. On Buyany, Chinese diesels showed themselves lousy.
                      1. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
                        Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 10 August 2020 20: 18
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                        laughing Well, Vicki is not an argument, even the data on the Strategic Missile Forces of the Russian Federation and its strategic nuclear forces do not correspond to reality. The ship was altered for domestic engines, if you had an education, you would not ask stupid questions. Gearboxes and so on are linked to the engine, even the mount for different motors needs different. In addition, there are problems with electronics, it is brought to mind. That is why Buyany-M stopped producing. That the Chinese, that the German engines are rubbish. They finish building only what has been started. Further, only Karakurt will be built, and not only domestic engines, but also from the 3rd ship, will be equipped with a naval version of the Pantsir-2M air defense missile system. tongue
          2. Kuzmich Sibiryakov (Kuzmich Sibiryakov) 9 August 2020 15: 52
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            Quote: Alexey Semenenko
            Oppa!
            Spetsnaz on the wire!
            Well, expert, how many gas turbine engines have been produced for the fleet since 2014? How many new marine diesel engines, instead of the German ones? Where are the aircraft engines? Come on, go skiing. In the style of "and in America they lynch blacks!"

            All our boxes either already go to Russian ones, or are being completed.
            1. Alexey Semenenko (Alexey Semenenko) 9 August 2020 23: 04
              -2
              In Chinese. Not completed, so there are none. Well, tell me, so as not to talk nonsense, on which specific (name) ship are Russian diesels or gas turbine engines?
              Or, dropping your head, confess ...
              1. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
                Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 10 August 2020 09: 59
                +3
                The Russian Federation has 2 frigates 22350 in service, this is enough to destroy the entire fleet of Georgia and Ukraine, taken together, in one salvo. So you can go on and on.
                1. Alexey Semenenko (Alexey Semenenko) 10 August 2020 11: 14
                  -2
                  What engines do these superdreadnoughts run on?
                  And this is how much does Arlie Burke need to drown these amusing troughs?
                  1. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
                    Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 10 August 2020 20: 13
                    +2
                    In order to drown Arlie Burke, you need only 1 rocket Dagger, or Onyx, the electronic warfare of the Khibiny turns it into a trough, and the electronic warfare of the Himalayas, this is not a pound of raisins at all. The second frigate 22350, in fact, is already on domestic engines, because the bullshit that the crooked Mazeppians did burned out at the very first trial out to sea. The third frigate will not have any of your bolts at all, it is in a high state of readiness.
                2. Alexey Semenenko (Alexey Semenenko) 10 August 2020 11: 21
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                  Read above.
      2. Kuzmich Sibiryakov (Kuzmich Sibiryakov) 9 August 2020 15: 57
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        Quote: Alexey Semenenko
        It has not yet been calculated how much Russia lost from the breakdown of military-technical cooperation with Ukraine.
        And that's just a military man.

        Lost everything, it's true. But the export potential of Russia is 80% of the potential of the USSR, and that of Ukraine is less than 20%. So, our loss of Ukraine is a minuscule, in relation to the losses of Ukraine itself. Your export opportunity to the EU is limited to deliveries until APRIL this month. They don't take anything else from you, because there is a quota, for violation of which they are punished. It follows that you will not have GROWTH in splendor. Ahead of you is the payment of debts and interest for handouts. You have nothing to pay. What remains is the sale of slaves and land. Production, more archaic than the production of the USSR and recently plundered as a commodity, is of no use to anyone.
        1. Alexey Semenenko (Alexey Semenenko) 9 August 2020 23: 10
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          He moved out again. I'm talking about Thomas, you're talking about Eremu.
          How much was lost from the rupture of the military-technical cooperation, did you count? Not? Well, google it. Back in the XNUMXs, you have smart people, the generals, by the way, shouted so as not to quarrel with Ukraine, this is destructive for the military-industrial complex ... but your Crimean turned out to be more tempting.
          About our export, this is not the topic.
          Export of the USSR? So the Soviets did not drive SO MANY raw materials to the West and East, which is not in comparison.
          Okay, I yawn, we believe that Indivisible only gained from the break (on its own initiative) with Ukraine.
          Now I take my leave. I'll go pick up the deadwood limit, and fry a decl of Polish bacon ...
  15. Kuzmich Sibiryakov (Kuzmich Sibiryakov) 9 August 2020 15: 51
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    Debt can be pulled out in a variety of ways. For example, the arrest of the debtor's property. For example, by imposing unbearable conditions for further trade, the removal of which after the bully is convinced that no one is helping him, but uses only in his own interests, which leads to much greater negative consequences ...
    1. Alexey Semenenko (Alexey Semenenko) 9 August 2020 23: 12
      -2
      Well, try to turn from Africa ...
  16. Kuzmich Sibiryakov (Kuzmich Sibiryakov) 9 August 2020 16: 51
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    If the conflict between the two states grows, Russia will lose not only transit routes for the supply of raw materials, military facilities and payment of "debt" money. Minsk will hike up prices for its goods supplied to the Russian Federation. About 42 percent of all products exported by Belarus are directed to Russian markets.

    This could only be written by an absolute layman. The price is not what one wants to have, but what is given. The seller can inflate prices if he wants to go to the guillotine. The quality of a neighbor's product is not significant enough to overpay for it too much. Didn't the lessons of Russia's sanctions teach you all that we know how to manage on our own when the rest give up and go to bomb their state institutions. A neighbor could lose that 42% of exports if he decides to try to blackmail.
    1. Alexey Semenenko (Alexey Semenenko) 9 August 2020 23: 13
      -1
      I fully support it. Well this is about the gas price?
      1. plabu Offline plabu
        plabu 10 August 2020 06: 32
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        Quote: Alexey Semenenko
        I fully support. Well this is about the gas price?

        This is generally about prices, and only certain categories, even states, even citizens - they are the "masters" of their word, he wanted - he gave it, then he took it back - with signed contracts ... bully
        1. Alexey Semenenko (Alexey Semenenko) 10 August 2020 11: 11
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          Well yes. Gas is more expensive for an ally than for Germany.
          But this is nothing! The main thing is that the National Treasure sells gas to its own nation at a higher price than someone else's! And it pleases. laughing
          1. plabu Offline plabu
            plabu 10 August 2020 17: 44
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            Quote: Alexey Semenenko
            Well yes. Gas is more expensive for an ally than for Germany.
            But this is nothing! The main thing is that the National Treasure sells gas to its own nation at a higher price than someone else's! And it pleases. laughing

            Nothing more to say? Your attempts at humor are NOT impressive, but these are your problems. bully