Roscosmos wants to replace Soyuz MS with an analogue of the Soviet Buran


In the future, Roskosmos plans to replace the aging Soyuz MS spacecraft with a reusable vehicle. The enterprises of the state corporation, including RSC Energia, have already started developing options for a promising transport system.


Dmitry Rogozin said that in order to fly into orbit, it is necessary to build a ship like the Soviet Buran, which could land on the runway. This is exactly the task the head of Roskosmos has set for domestic designers.

The promising Eagle, according to the functionary, cannot be considered a replacement for Soyuz, as it will be expensive for orbital missions.

Let us recall that the development of the Soviet orbital reusable spacecraft-rocket plane "Buran" started in 1973. Already in 1988, the device made its first and last unmanned flight. In 1993, the program was closed.

It should be noted that "Buran" could take on board up to 10 cosmonauts, land in airplane mode and was designed for 100 flights.

Rogozin stated that the creation of a new orbital ship would still take quite a long time. Therefore, the "Soyuz MS", which are constantly being modernized, will still be in the ranks.
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  1. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 7 August 2020 13: 56
    0
    Eh ... what kind of money washing will it be?
    It seems like the other day it was reported that the budget was cut to RosCosmos, everyone was tired of endless promises, the choice of names, reports of the Accounts Chamber on waste ...
    1. Vladimir Tuzakov (Vladimir Tuzakov) 7 August 2020 14: 09
      +1
      When journalists become the main ones in space, then we get professional journalistic chatter and nothing more ... The resurrection of the Buran does not resemble the history of the Shuttles - before the first disasters ... Again, on the same rake, if Musk made them returnable, then we need to do it, and do you need?
      1. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
        Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 7 August 2020 14: 12
        -1
        2 options:
        Crack and throw. Like a super-super-super high-speed helicopter.

        They will not give up, but tighten. The longer the development time, the more the amount drank ...
    2. Brancodd Offline Brancodd
      Brancodd 7 August 2020 19: 05
      +1
      The keyword is "like". On the fence the same "like" something is written. "Everyone is tired of" everything. " Namely, I'm tired of the nuclear program (at the suggestion of the Ministry of Finance, the budget of Rosatom will suffer much more than Roskosmos), the programs for the development of the Crimea and the Far East, the program for the rearmament of the army, etc. All claims of the Accounts Chamber were against the Federal Space Agency and Roscosmos in the period up to 2017.Since 2018, not a single claim, including the second stage of the Vostochny, has been issued by the Accounts Chamber.
      What else is "everyone" tired of? That we have 2 years without emergency launches, which was not only in the post-Soviet, but in Soviet times. For the period from 2005 to 2017 - 22 accidents. Since October 2018 - none. Tell the French how bad it is with us, just wait until they shake the ashes off the head from the burnt Vega.
      1. Vladimir Tuzakov (Vladimir Tuzakov) 7 August 2020 19: 17
        -1
        In terms of accidents since 2018, if there are no launches, there are no accidents ... Accident rate for the number of launches, for delayed launches, this period is a record holder ... Question, Roskosmos designated at least one program as the host, sat on the sale of engines and a conclusion according to the old unions the amount of commercial cargo ... Here are different lines of the Hangar, and others, and remained ten-year promises ...
        1. Brancodd Offline Brancodd
          Brancodd 7 August 2020 22: 06
          +4
          Accident rate since 2018, if there are no starts, there are no accidents ... Accident rate for the number of starts

          40 starts without accidents. Roskosmos was formed in 2015 from the Federal Space Agency.
          Roskosmos was formed in 2015 from the Federal Space Agency. Prior to this, the space industry was represented by a set of semi-feudal disparate enterprises and institutions. Roscosmos' task was to consolidate the industry. Revision of all resources and their mobilization for the implementation of the state space program. Which includes the civil and military sections.
          Roscosmos budget is $ 3 billion. In 2017, funding for the space program was cut in half.
          In 2017, NASA expenditures amounted to $ 18,1 billion. Total US budget expenditures amounted to $ 47,5 billion. That is 13 times more than Russia’s expenses.
          EKA European Space Agency has a budget 4 times the budget of Roscosmos.
          At the same time, EKA performed 2019 launches in 9, including 1 emergency. Roscosmos has -25 (all accident-free). The USA has 21. China has 34 (2 emergency). Such is the efficiency in comparison.
          The period without emergency launches of Roscosmos is 1 year and 10 months. In total - 40. This is a record for the entire post-Soviet period.
          More than half of Khrunichev's debt has been removed. It was 100 billion rubles. and was formed during the period of management by “professionals”. The same as 50 billion rubles. Energy debt.
          The pre-production Hangara A5M starts this year.
          At the Omsk plant, not without problems, but the production of the Angar (heavy and light classes) is being established. From 2023 it will enter the planned series of 11 units per year. Voronezh "Khimavtomatika" is to complete the creation of the hydrogen / oxygen engine for the third stage in 2023.
          In 2023, Soyuz 5 will be tested. This is a modernized Zenith. He must become the main carrier of the middle class. 30% of the expenses (for the launch complex) are covered by Kazakhstan within the framework of the joint project "Baitrek". The total cost of the Soyuz 5 project is $ 900 million. I know the planned cost of launching a commercial launch of Soyuz 5. Even taking into account the errors, it will surprise “'experts”. It remains to wait a little.
          The construction of the second stage of the Vostochny cosmodrome is proceeding slightly ahead of schedule. The first start from the East Angara should take place in 2023. And it will take place. Funding for the construction goes through the Treasury. The Accounts Chamber has not a single claim to the second stage.
          Next year, in April, the "Science" module will be launched to the ISS.
          Next year we will return to the lunar program. Station Luna 25 will be launched. (NPO Lavochkina)
          In 2024, the first unmanned flight of the Eagle manned spacecraft from Vostochny will take place. A manned launch of the Eagle is scheduled for 2025.
          There is no "finishing off the Russian space program". There is an understanding of the tasks, the daily work of the teams involved in the implementation of the program, and confidence in the achievement of the tasks set. Ignoring the whine of the Smerdyakovs at the moon.
          1. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
            Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 7 August 2020 23: 29
            -3
            The reports are excellent. If all the previous promises are immediately forgotten.

            From loud (but not embezzlement and waste), I remember:
            The moon landing was promised in 2015. Passed - passed, and here is the result:

            We will return to the lunar program next year.

            The difference is clear.

            Rogozin's official salary = salary of 6 experienced flying cosmonauts with all allowances.
            The salary of the Moscow office (supposedly, was calculated according to reports) is approximately equal to the salary of the rest of Roscosmos ...
            1. Brancodd Offline Brancodd
              Brancodd 7 August 2020 23: 55
              +1
              The salary of the head of Roscosmos Rogozin is 2 million rubles. half the salary of Venediktov, the editor of Echo; Gazprom-Media pays him 4 million a month.
              1. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
                Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 8 August 2020 00: 06
                0
                Wah! The official reports have completely different numbers, I remember. Either 2.4, or 3,6 for Rogozin, and 600 thousand for the echo.

                Finding millions and billions from all kinds of echoes is a favorite pastime of propagandists ...
                1. 123 Offline 123
                  123 (123) 8 August 2020 16: 44
                  0
                  Finding millions and billions from all kinds of echoes is a favorite pastime of propagandists ...

                  And Rogozin's salary is considered exclusively by non-profitable light-faced angels. laughing
                  1. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
                    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 8 August 2020 20: 34
                    0
                    This is the official data. A year ago, I remember, some "angels" were surprised, more than someone from NASA received.

                    The defendants have a short memory. Everyone quickly forgets.
                    1. 123 Offline 123
                      123 (123) 8 August 2020 20: 41
                      -1
                      This is the official data. A year ago, I remember, some "angels" were surprised, more than someone from NASA received.
                      The defendants have a short memory. Everyone quickly forgets.

                      Someone else's salary is generally considered something else. It's good that some detractors have a long memory, they remember who counted with whom, however, they don't remember the details, but that is.
                      1. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
                        Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 8 August 2020 20: 42
                        0
                        Rosstat to help.
                      2. 123 Offline 123
                        123 (123) 8 August 2020 21: 01
                        -1
                        Rosstat to help.

                        Thanks for the good advice. good I can recommend in return if you are dissatisfied with something and the mood is bad .... there is an old tradition ..... Wailing Wall to help. hi
                      3. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
                        Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 8 August 2020 21: 34
                        -1
                        ABOUT! Are you Jewish? Then yes, the experience of the Jews is very valuable.
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        2. Brancodd Offline Brancodd
          Brancodd 13 August 2020 15: 50
          +1
          Rogozin's official salary is 29 million rubles. in year. This is not the largest salary in Roscosmos. And the smallest among all the heads of state corporations. Less than all government ministers and less Venediktov's salary (4 million a month).
          1. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
            Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 13 August 2020 16: 36
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            29 - it seems, yes. Official like, no bonuses and shares.
            About a year ago, they discussed that the salary of a flying cosmonaut is 400. So it turns out that 2,4 / 0,4 = 6 cosmonauts' salaries.

            Echo - Looking for.

            So, Yuri Dud learned that the editor-in-chief of Echo of Moscow earns less than one million rubles, but more than five hundred thousand a month.

            Span. 3 times less ...

            Looking further .... and nothing.
            Bummer ...
      2. Arkharov Offline Arkharov
        Arkharov (Grigory Arkharov) 9 August 2020 10: 04
        -2
        Echo earns itself.
        1. 123 Offline 123
          123 (123) 9 August 2020 13: 20
          +1
          Echo earns itself.

          Really? laughing The curly-haired editor moans that there is clearly not enough money for advertising. winked What they still earn, I'm afraid to even assume, they will probably be banned. winked
          Maybe he should be taken out of Gazprom Media and released "on his free bread"?
    3. 123 Offline 123
      123 (123) 8 August 2020 16: 47
      0
      The reports are excellent. If all the previous promises are immediately forgotten.

      From loud (but not embezzlement and waste), I remember:
      The moon landing was promised in 2015. Passed - passed, and here is the result:

      We will return to the lunar program next year.

      Plans are not always delivered on time. Want an example?

      http://edition.cnn.com/2004/TECH/space/01/14/bush.nasa.transcript/index.html

      Since then, every new president has made promises. yes But things are still there .... Although the money is allocated decently.
      1. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
        Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 8 August 2020 20: 41
        -1
        Yes, let them promise what they want. Just a little - everyone immediately nods at the amers, like they have there ...

        If it's rude, then you have to keep your word in front of your real boys and friends. Do not surrender. He said and did. Money, orders, ranks, untouchability ...

        But you have to be patient with life, and to keep the word to the authorities - it's a mess ...

        Typical attitude in a certain environment ...
        1. 123 Offline 123
          123 (123) 8 August 2020 20: 58
          -1
          Yes, let them promise what they want. Just a little - everyone immediately nods at the amers, like they have there ...

          And with whom do you propose to compare? With Mongolia? So they didn't seem to be going to the moon.

          If it's rude, then you have to keep your word in front of your real boys and friends. Do not surrender. He said and did.

          Not all promises can be fulfilled, especially on time. That is life. Some of them promised communism and nothing ...
          And he doesn’t give up, it’s just the deadlines. He still has time, until he leaves, maybe he will still fulfill it. laughing But there is already the fourth windbag is sitting out. yes

          Money, orders, ranks, untouchability ...

          What is this all about? I don't even know what to say ... Maybe so ... Envy, greed, grumbling ...
          1. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
            Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 8 August 2020 21: 33
            +1
            One must compare with oneself first of all. And only then with the United States.

            If someone promises to land on the moon in 2015, but it turns out that they did not think ... then this is not even propaganda. This divorce suffered.
            It would be once - an accident. But when everywhere and always - this is politics.
            1. 123 Offline 123
              123 (123) 8 August 2020 22: 00
              -1
              One must compare with oneself first of all. And only then with the United States.

              Quite a sensible idea. good Let me remind you on occasion. yes

              If someone promises to land on the moon in 2015, but it turns out that they did not think ... then this is not even propaganda. This divorce suffered.
              It would be once - an accident. But when everywhere and always - this is politics.

              How do we know whether we thought or did not think. Maybe it doesn't work, maybe the plans changed and the money was not allocated. Maybe the Americans were expected to send resources there, not hypersound. There are a lot of options.
              Straight always and everywhere? Are you exaggerating? I doubt that you can give more than a dozen examples.
              1. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
                Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 9 August 2020 00: 48
                +1
                Examples around us.
                On VO there are a lot of articles about disruptions, disruptions, disruptions to the timing.
                And little consolation that in Nigeria, maybe even worse.

                And everyone is even obliged to doubt.
              2. 123 Offline 123
                123 (123) 9 August 2020 13: 16
                +1
                Examples around us.
                On VO there are a lot of articles about disruptions, disruptions, disruptions to the timing.
                And little consolation that in Nigeria, maybe even worse.

                You might be surprised, but the information space is not limited to VO.
                "... about disruptions, disruptions, missed deadlines" can be said about many countries, if not all. I gave you an example with the American Lunar Program. Want another example? The launch to Mars was postponed, the European partners missed the deadline. Maybe, of course, in Nigeria, the timing is better, but this is the reality, not everything that has been planned can be done, especially in the planned timeframe. If you want to make God laugh, tell him about your plans. yes
                It turns out that you are annoyed by the inconsistency of reality with your own ideas, how it should be. Hence the displeased grumbling. Maybe you should grow up and understand that the world is not perfect.
              3. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
                Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 9 August 2020 23: 08
                0
                Ha. Again you are like that - nod to the West.
                VO is not perfect. So is life. You can endure trying to fool ad infinitum.
                So you explain it with a typical saying - supposedly from the Nazi Krupp - "we are not like that - life is like that."
              4. 123 Offline 123
                123 (123) 10 August 2020 11: 40
                -1
                Ha. Again you are like that - nod to the West.
                VO is not perfect. So is life. You can endure trying to fool ad infinitum.
                So you explain it with a typical saying - supposedly from the Nazi Krupp - "we are not like that - life is like that"

                And what is life like? Is everyone around you deceiving and deceiving? Where is it different? Indicate this heavenly place in which all plans turn into reality in a timely manner?
              5. Rashid116 Offline Rashid116
                Rashid116 (Rashid) 18 August 2020 08: 55
                +1
                Well, you suggest to be patient, of course? Like, now they'll bail out and live like a fairy tale. They won't bother - that's for sure. I was little, they told me - be patient, now ... I'm almost 50 already. And what do you think now? And they say the same thing. It is clear that no one was expecting anything all this time. But all the same, we looked at their jambs with condescension, with understanding - after all, we are being rebuilt. And these were not jambs, but simply such clumsy schemes that they stuck out. But no one is ashamed already. The violent ones were identified and landed in the 90s. 123 will explain everything to the rest of the thinking in a mild version, if it's not clear - a herd of rabid patriots flies in (it's easier on this resource with jingoistic patriots, try to write against the general line somewhere in the Republic of Tatarstan or Inosmi) and now you are already a traitor, you fuck unconventionally, but and a Ukrainian, of course (he registered as a specialist under his own name in order to laugh at their stupor - now you can't define me as Ukrainians))).
              6. 123 Offline 123
                123 (123) 18 August 2020 09: 37
                +1
                Well, you suggest to be patient, of course? Like now they will nourish themselves and live like in a fairy tale.

                Have I ever offered to be patient? belay Of course, you are sure that you have to get out, stamp your foot and a miracle will happen, will we live like in a fairy tale? I have to disappoint you, as in a fairy tale it will not be in any case, this is a harsh reality. I understand that on the other side of the meadow the grass looks greener until you get closer. When they begin to tell how bad everything is with us, but they have something. fellow And we urgently need to disperse all of ours, then we will immediately heal, it is obvious to me that a person does not understand what he is talking about, or even worse, he is perfectly aware of everything and does it intentionally. Something is better there and worse with us, something the other way around. We need to figure out why this happens and what is happening.

                I was little, they told me - be patient, now ... I'm almost 50 already. And what do you think now? And they say the same thing.

                In childhood, they also told me - be patient, be patient, now it will stop hurting, be patient, now you will go for a walk, be patient, now it will cook, and so on. Who is inviting you to be patient now is incomprehensible, and it is surprising to hear such things, they don’t tell me this, and you and I are about the same age.

                It is clear that no one was expecting anything all this time. But all the same, we looked at their jambs with condescension, with understanding - after all, we are being rebuilt. And these were not jambs, but simply such clumsy schemes that they stuck out. But no one is ashamed already.

                You somehow abstractly say "they", who are they? Who exactly do you mean? Please designate these bad people standing in the way of your prosperity.

                123 will explain everything to the rest of the thinking in a mild version, if it is not clear - a herd of rabid patriots flies in (on this resource it is easier with hurray-patriots, try somewhere on the RT or on Inosmi to write against the general line) and now you are already a traitor, you fuck unconventionally, but and Ukrainian, of course

                If you think that it is my job to explain everything on the website to the doubters, you are deeply mistaken. laughing I am extremely far from any political activity. Just for health reasons now I have some problems with moving my mortal body and a lot of free time. As for the "herd of hurray-patriots", on RT there are just a lot of those whose nationality and sexual orientation you have described so colorfully, just some kind of bot farm. laughing I went specifically to the "inosmi", looked, enough of all. Maybe you only notice what you want?
                By the way, speaking of this nationality, I mean exclusively the way of thinking or, if you like, the state of mind typical of rabid Svidomo patriots.

                (I registered as a specialist under my own name in order to laugh at their stupor - now you cannot define me as Ukrainians))).

                Do not worry, if you wish, you can easily select an analogue of the definition that is more appropriate for the designated nationality and place of residence. winked
                hi
              7. Rashid116 Offline Rashid116
                Rashid116 (Rashid) 18 August 2020 11: 19
                0
                You say so to everyone: offer your version. Although you yourself do not offer anything either. I can stomp everything that I and my friends have, it won't seem a little. And in what place did I write that they have everything there in chocolate? Everywhere is different. But what we need to disperse our thieves, he wrote, but not to disperse - but to investigate and imprison for a long time with confiscation from the whole environment, including cats. And, it is - 30 years was not enough to figure out - "why"? How much more is needed, don't hesitate.

                You somehow abstractly say "they", who are they?

                - guess three times (it already seems to me that I am wasting my time).

                If you think that explaining everything on the site to doubters is my job

                - well, not work, so not work)

                On RT, there are just a lot of those whose nationality and sexual orientation you described so colorfully, some kind of bot farm

                - criticize the government, do not like Putin, in any way traitors, pedophiles and Ukrainians. You are not like that))).

                Do not worry, if you wish, you can easily select an analogue of the definition that is more appropriate for the designated nationality and place of residence.

                I know how to talk in every way, and I don't care about it at all.
              8. 123 Offline 123
                123 (123) 18 August 2020 11: 59
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                You say so to everyone: offer your version. Although you yourself do not offer anything either.

                What should I offer? I understand the approximate logic of events. Everything is very far from ideal, but somehow it is possible to maintain a balance between the very aspirations and interests of various groups, strata, communities and so on. I see no reason to radically change something. Everything will end with the arrival of new, completely "hungry". The process itself can be quite unpleasant and even bloody. We will forever plant, shoot, take away and divide again, and then wonder why they have industry (you can insert any other word), but we do not. So the government is not that, they steal - and let's do it all over again.

                I can stomp everything that I and my friends have, it won't seem a little.

                They stomped more than once, but what's the point?

                And in what place did I write that they have everything there in chocolate?

                It was not you who wrote it, you joined the conversation, I thought you were aware and think so too.

                But what we need to disperse our thieves wrote, but not disperse, but investigate and imprison for a long time with confiscation from the whole environment up to cats. And, this 30 years was not enough to figure out "why"? hesitate.

                Look again at the first paragraph. Do you want to put everyone in prison? Do you already have a replacement in their place? Did you raise them honest and unselfish in an incubator? The process itself is quite fascinating, thieves and embezzlers are hanged in public, and others quietly take their place, applaud and do the same. If you do not change the system, everything will remain the same, no matter how much you plant. Do you have a suitable system in mind? Or was everything good under the USSR? Remind the names of Rashidov and Churbanov? In addition, there are side effects, you can look at the example of Furgal. And if at once from a dozen such "Furgals" at the same time?

                "You somehow abstractly say" they ", who are they?" - guess three times (it already seems to me that I am wasting my time)

                As I already got such offers. They are terribly surprised that I do not notice anything, why I did not come to similar conclusions and therefore I am a putinoid, an agent of the State Department, a Ukrainian, a Jew and so on, depending on the situation and the position of the author laughing
                Give a specific name and will we say or are you afraid of funnels under the window waiting?

                criticize the government, do not like Putin, in any way traitors, queers and khokhly. You are not like that))).

                Replace "criticize" with "praise" and you get the same thing. What do you want? What would I call RT and everyone now agrees with you and does not call names?

                I know how to talk in every way and generally don't worry about it.

                And rightly so.
              9. Rashid116 Offline Rashid116
                Rashid116 (Rashid) 18 August 2020 13: 41
                +1
                What should I offer? I understand the approximate logic of events.

                Do not understand, they will never get drunk, the appetite comes with eating. If you understand life - explain to me why billionaires are saving up money (billion to billion)? Neither they, nor their relatives and relatives will ever spend this money. They don’t spend them, they just save up - they are malnourished, sleep deprived and some die in flaw, like homeless people. It seems to me that this is a disease (psyche). So such kleptomaniacs lead us, and you say - nothing needs to be changed. Are you seriously? Do you want to entrust your life and loved ones to these psychopaths?

                They stomped more than once, but what's the point?

                - there was a sense in 1917, these nits are still running in boiling water. They misinterpreted everything about that time. But you and I are about the same age (as I understand it) and we know everything not only from newspapers. They live in my family for a long time and I talked very closely with my grandparents. I don’t like this expression, but not everything is as simple as every Jewish person wants to present to us. And just after the whole country was stamped and the industry appeared, well, everything else (add the necessary).

                Look again at the first paragraph. Want to put everyone in prison? Do you already have a replacement in their place?

                - no matter what I want, I wonder what you want. Do you offer to leave everything as it is? Maybe give out coupons for additional food, but the fact that they are with us, homespun, is wasting their time and health. Maybe they should spread jam on their ass? You have recalled two surnames for the entire Soviet period. Do you want me to throw you a dozen just in recent years? This is who only heard. Are you sure there are no more Furgals left? And I know for sure that they stayed. And, if you tell me how to build a house for ten rubles for a salary of 30-50 thousand and buy some caricatures for 8-15, then I will call you Great and sign up for you as a student.

                Give a specific name and we will speak, or are you afraid - waiting for funnels under the window?

                - you really think that I will now list all the officials here, they are all stealing. There is no room for others. Do you seriously think that you can drag the lam and no one will notice it? Everyone knows everything (who is in business). Mutual responsibility, her mother.

                Replace “criticize” with “praise” and get the same thing. What do you want? So that I call RT and everyone now agrees with you and does not call names?

                And who said that I comment on RT? Or someone wants something from you, you overestimate yourself. Ah, I understood - you also have a crystal ball and you read my mind. I watched this picture constantly about RT and Inosmi, so I go as little as possible to be in trend))).
              10. Rashid116 Offline Rashid116
                Rashid116 (Rashid) 18 August 2020 13: 51
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                Again, we ate "sheets"))). Swearing, it takes a lot of time. Okay, I'm driving it to production, the money itself is not earned. If you want, I'll come back - let's continue.
  • Kuzmich Sibiryakov (Kuzmich Sibiryakov) 9 August 2020 18: 26
    +1
    Quote: Sergey Latyshev
    The reports are excellent. If all the previous promises are immediately forgotten.

    From loud (but not embezzlement and waste), I remember:
    The moon landing was promised in 2015. Passed - passed, and here is the result:

    We will return to the lunar program next year.

    The difference is clear.

    Rogozin's official salary = salary of 6 experienced flying cosmonauts with all allowances.
    The salary of the Moscow office (supposedly, was calculated according to reports) is approximately equal to the salary of the rest of Roscosmos ...

    Here one of two things - either to bring evidence here, or you will be dragged to account for libel.
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    3. margo Offline margo
      margo (margo) 20 August 2020 17: 43
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      bring evidence here

      - if you are talking about salaries, then according to official data, Rogozin declared income for 2018 at 29,5 million rubles ($ 460 thousand), and this is just the office. salary, not counting allowances, bonuses, etc., in fact, multiply by 3, or maybe more. For comparison, the head of NASA Bridenstine earned $ 250 thousand over the same period.
      At the same time, 2018 space rockets were launched in the USA in 31, in Russia - only 17, and one of the launches was unsuccessful. At the same time, engineers in the space industry in the United States receive many times more than employees of Roscosmos enterprises. NASA engineer receives $ 82 thousand per year (430 thousand rubles per month), and in NPO them. Lavochkin's engineer earns 60 thousand rubles a month.
      We will not compare the rest of the successes and achievements of NASA and Roscosmos - we will want to cry.
  • Nikolay Malyugin (Nikolai Malyugin) 8 August 2020 06: 02
    +1
    There is no whining. To understand these issues, you need to work in this industry. Of course, now it is easier to work on the preparations for the "feudal" design bureaus. I'm just looking at what the residential area of ​​Baikonur has become. And there is very little consolation here.
  • Kuzmich Sibiryakov (Kuzmich Sibiryakov) 9 August 2020 18: 15
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    Quote: Vladimir Tuzakov
    In terms of accidents since 2018, if there are no launches, there are no accidents ... Accident rate for the number of launches, for delayed launches, this period is a record holder ... Question, Roskosmos designated at least one program as the host, sat on the sale of engines and a conclusion according to the old unions the amount of commercial cargo ... Here are different lines of the Hangar, and others, and remained ten-year promises ...



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  • Arkharov Offline Arkharov
    Arkharov (Grigory Arkharov) 9 August 2020 10: 03
    -2
    There is one radical way to reduce accidents - to reduce the number of launches, and it is better not to start anything at all.
  • margo Offline margo
    margo (margo) 20 August 2020 17: 04
    -1
    New cartoons will be shown soon.
  • Oleg Shlyapin Offline Oleg Shlyapin
    Oleg Shlyapin (oleg shlyapin) 7 August 2020 23: 37
    -2
    Clifer and Federation / Eagle have already been built, now a new project?
    1. 123 Offline 123
      123 (123) 8 August 2020 16: 49
      +1
      Clifer and Federation / Eagle have already been built, now a new project?

      Constructive criticism from representatives of the former space power is very important to us. good laughing
      1. Oleg Shlyapin Offline Oleg Shlyapin
        Oleg Shlyapin (oleg shlyapin) 8 August 2020 18: 05
        -1
        I don’t understand - where did the Russians get so much show-off and arrogance. What are you yourself and where are you going? wink
        1. 123 Offline 123
          123 (123) 8 August 2020 18: 13
          +2
          I don’t understand - where did the Russians get so much show-off and arrogance. What are you yourself and where are you going?

          This is not show-off and arrogance, it's just funny to hear this from people who have ruined everything at home and now hope that everything will be the same with us.
          Rolling downhill, we, although not without problems, move forward.
          1. Oleg Shlyapin Offline Oleg Shlyapin
            Oleg Shlyapin (oleg shlyapin) 8 August 2020 18: 46
            -1
            For those who have replaced nature with TV:
            1. Modern satellite production has been built. The first Ukrainian-assembled satellite "Sich-2-1M" has been assembled and is being prepared for launch. The satellites Yuzhsat and Mikrosat-2 are next.



            2. The project of the Cyclone-4M rocket has been developed, the technical documentation is being issued, the second stage of the rocket has been fully fired.





            https://korrespondent.net/tech/technews/4176175-v-ukrayne-yspytyvauit-kosmycheskyi-apparat-sych-2-1

            3. A rocket for an air launch from the territory of Ukraine "Zenit-1M"

            https://avianews.info/v-parizhe-predstavlena-ukrainskaya-raketa-zenit-1nl-dlya-vozdushnogo-starta/

            4. Work is underway to set up the production of American Firefly missiles in the city of Dnepr - it is planned to release 24 missiles a year. This is a private project of the joint American-Ukrainian production of the Fireflake company by Max Polkov, an American businessman of Ukrainian origin.

            5. There is cooperation with South Korea, India, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Poland, Portugal, ESA, UK, Canada and the USA.

            6. Work is underway to create several types of new rocket engines - RD-870, RD-875. RD-861K, RD-815 and RD-840.

            7. The project of the AMS for landing on the Moon has been developed.

            8. Work is underway to create an aerospace satellite launch system.

            9. A new production of rockets and satellites has been built.

            10. Mastered 3-D printing.

            Something like that.
            1. 123 Offline 123
              123 (123) 8 August 2020 19: 21
              +1
              Built, assembled, developing, building a new production .. fellow blah blah blah smile
              I am especially glad that we have mastered 3-D printing. laughing Thanks for the interesting video, Ukrainian builders know how to assemble the premises of their panels, good it is clear that they got their hands on in "Europe".
              What, on what and when will it fly into space? And then Lukashenka also says that Belarus is a space power ...
              What cosmodrome are you planning to launch from? Which rocket?
              Yes, I almost forgot, take your Lybid, free Rogozin's shed.
              1. Oleg Shlyapin Offline Oleg Shlyapin
                Oleg Shlyapin (oleg shlyapin) 8 August 2020 20: 27
                -2
                What, where, where and how - look for yourself. Rogues have no servants. smile
                1. 123 Offline 123
                  123 (123) 8 August 2020 20: 37
                  0
                  What, where, where and how - look for yourself. Rogues have no servants

                  If you have nothing to say, you can only be rude? laughing Do not be discouraged, read the comments under your first video about the new computing center. I hope this will cheer you up. smile

                  Microsoft Xbox 360 - 1 teraflops
                  Sony PlayStation 3 - 1 teraflops
                  Sony PlayStation 5 - 4 teraflops
                  Sony PlayStation 5 - 10 teraflops
                  Powerful, 300 Boxes! Or 30 Sony PlayStation 5s!

                  Yes on the side, the iron is not yours, the electricity is also. Perfect conditions. As I wrote above, a normal person will not go to work for 5-7 thousand for such a job, that's all ..
                2. Vladimir Tuzakov (Vladimir Tuzakov) 8 August 2020 20: 39
                  +1
                  Oleg ... There is no need to swear, there is nothing to share, there are developments in Ukraine, and it is great when the United States collapses (God forbid, quickly), and there will be no one to bow to the Jewish leadership of Ukraine and the Russian Federation, perhaps we will again earn money in good neighborliness in the Commonwealth of Independent Slavs States, having thrown out the imposed kagalny government, both in Ukraine and in the Russian Federation ...
            2. Kuzmich Sibiryakov (Kuzmich Sibiryakov) 8 August 2020 22: 05
              0
              Quote: Oleg Shlyapin
              For those who have replaced nature with TV:
              1. Modern satellite production has been built. The first Ukrainian-assembled satellite "Sich-2-1M" has been assembled and is being prepared for launch. The next in turn are the satellites "Yuzhsat" and "Mikrosat-2" ...................................... ....

              Satellite made (?) Is there a carrier? Is there a launch complex? Is there a command post for control, support by a carrier and a satellite? Do you expect to start from someone else's territory, on someone else's complex? And everything will dock? You can't count on Russia, do you understand that? Socialism has specifically mutilated your brains - you confuse plans and their implementation. Wait, it will take you an infinite number of years from plan to flight. Will die even more quickly.
  • Oleg Shlyapin Offline Oleg Shlyapin
    Oleg Shlyapin (oleg shlyapin) 8 August 2020 20: 50
    0
    Quote: Vladimir Tuzakov
    Oleg ... There is no need to swear, there is nothing to share, there are developments in Ukraine, and it is great when the United States collapses (God forbid, faster), and there will be no one to bow to the Jewish leadership of Ukraine and the Russian Federation, perhaps we will again earn money in good-neighborliness in the Commonwealth of Independent Slavs States, throwing out the planted kagal government, both in Ukraine and in the Russian Federation ...

    Lord, when will it end.
  • Kuzmich Sibiryakov (Kuzmich Sibiryakov) 8 August 2020 21: 59
    +1
    The Americans proved to the whole world the high cost and inefficiency of such flights, but we do not draw conclusions from other people's failures. To carry ballast into orbit in the form of a reentry vehicle, 100 tons, having a complex weighing 2000 tons at the start, putting 20 tons of payload into orbit. Transporting Buran to the start, with maintenance and repair at the manufacturing plant, it will be necessary to recreate the ANT 225 superplane. How to carry such bulky items to the start? Having ONE landing strip is dangerous. In the event of an emergency descent, this will not be possible - you need to wait until the inflection point of the orbit to descend. The resource of the ship is not sufficient for long flights. The power of the ship is NO.
  • Oleg Shlyapin Offline Oleg Shlyapin
    Oleg Shlyapin (oleg shlyapin) 8 August 2020 22: 11
    -1
    Quote: Kuzmich Sibiryakov
    The Americans proved to the whole world the high cost and inefficiency of such flights, but we do not draw conclusions from other people's failures. To carry ballast into orbit in the form of a reentry vehicle, 100 tons, having a complex weighing 2000 tons at the start, putting 20 tons of payload into orbit.

    Can you really do something like that now? laughing

    Quote: Kuzmich Sibiryakov
    it will be necessary to recreate the ANT 225 superplane.

    And where do you "restore" it? Did you have a production of it? laughing
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    2. boriz Offline boriz
      boriz (boriz) 9 August 2020 21: 48
      +2
      And where do you "restore" it? Did you have a production of it?

      For example, on Ilyushin. If we deem it necessary. Production was. You only had an assembly. Therefore, we can restore, but you cannot.
  • Oleg Shlyapin Offline Oleg Shlyapin
    Oleg Shlyapin (oleg shlyapin) 8 August 2020 22: 27
    -2
    Quote: Kuzmich Sibiryakov
    Satellite made (?) Is there a carrier? Is there a launch complex? Is there a command post for control, support by a carrier and a satellite? Do you expect to start from someone else's territory, on someone else's complex? And everything will fit together? ...

    There is a satellite. And there are launch services. The launch price of such a satellite is $ 12 million. There is a station for receiving information for him.

    Quote: Kuzmich Sibiryakov
    You can't count on Russia

    And no one is going to. You are gradually multiplied by zero, breaking all ties with you and minimizing existing contracts. So, don't flatter yourself. laughing

    Quote: Kuzmich Sibiryakov
    Wait, it will take you an infinite number of years from plan to flight.

    Well, what about our plans? Something will come true, some will not.

    Quote: Kuzmich Sibiryakov
    still unmerciful

    I can't understand why Russians are constantly tearing off the bottom from the phrase "has not died yet"? sad
    1. boriz Offline boriz
      boriz (boriz) 9 August 2020 21: 26
      +1
      Well, what about our plans?

      You will not understand you. Now you unfold before us the bulk of your plans, then it is none of your business ...
      You really decide.
    2. boriz Offline boriz
      boriz (boriz) 9 August 2020 21: 39
      +2
      I can't understand why Russians are constantly tearing off the bottom from the phrase "has not died yet"?

      The people are just joking. There are only two countries in the world that see their greatness and their positive in the fact that: one has not died yet, the other has not died yet. And who screamed at whom?