The British spoke about the advantage of MS-21 over analogues from Boeing and Airbus

August 6 2020 27

The promising Russian short-to-medium-haul narrow-body passenger aircraft MC-21-300 has advantages over similar products from Boeing and Airbus, writes the British specialized edition Simple Flying.

Recently from Russia it was reported that the newest MC-21-300 airliner equipped with a domestic engine will take to the skies by the end of 2020. The Russians now have their own aircraft engine - PD-14. This will allow the UAC to launch serial production of such aircraft. They will seriously compete with the Boeing 737 MAX 8 and Airbus A320neo airliners in the global aviation market, with which they find themselves in the same market category.

MC-21-300 made its first flight in May 2017. Then it was powered by imported aircraft engines. But Russia has taken a course towards import substitution so as not to depend on other countries.

Experts believe that this will allow Russians to stop fearing possible delays in the supply of spare parts, take control of the entire component production chain and increase the attractiveness for customers. In addition, Russia supports its manufacturers and wants to enter the aviation market with its products, offering an alternative to aircraft from other countries.

Undoubtedly, the MC-21-300 will be in demand not only in Russia, where the state-owned airline Aeroflot has already confirmed its strong desire to buy 50 such aircraft and an option for another 35 aircraft, but also in other countries. Especially in those who fear sanctions from the West.

The Russian airliner can take on board up to 211 passengers, which is more than in similar configurations for its main western competitors (Boeing 737 MAX 8 and Airbus A320neo), and without sacrificing convenience. It even has more personal space for passengers than the Airbus A320neo, so the MC-21-300 will harmoniously fit into the niche of the most popular airliners.

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123

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6 August 2020 19: 27

I read it, somehow it didn’t seem to be British, I went to the Simple Flying website, a specialized publication, everything about aviation and no propaganda. It is not surprising that we pay so little attention to him, because they do not write there that Putin smears door handles with a newcomer at night and steals vaccines in the morning.
Sergey Latyshev

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6 August 2020 20: 58

British scientists ... ugh, the experts have written again ... The same thing that once climbed from all screens on a superjet ...
Jet failed because of disgusting logistics ... And here not a word about logistics, only promises of a breakthrough and a breakthrough ...
1. Magog
  
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  6 August 2020 21: 35
  
  The super-jet is lame, to put it mildly, because it depends on Western components. With him it turned out that they were making an airplane with maximum cooperation with foreign manufacturers, somewhere and helping out "partners", but got problems ...
  1. Sergey Latyshev
    
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    6 August 2020 22: 00
    
    This is yes. But even before the components, it was wildly scolded for logistics.
    Either there are no simple spare parts in place, then something else, then a trifle (such as an electric kettle) will break down and that's it, you just can't take off.
    1. Magog
      
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      7 August 2020 10: 16
      
      In reality, we do not manufacture Sukhoi Superjet, but only assemble. The Superjet was assembled in Komsomolsk-on-Amur, and even its quality was so low that there were huge problems with the aircraft. In terms of operation, it is insanely ineffective. But Aeroflot is being forced upon it. The Superjet project belongs to Putin, therefore, there are no options not to buy this aircraft.
      
      This indirectly confirms the rumor that I heard about 6-7 years ago, about the agreement between Putin and Obama to take the aircraft unfinished in the USA into their development. In the States, by this time, the finished parts of the future aircraft were allegedly already stored, the production of which, for some reason, was abandoned there. The Americans, as always, promised to help with the supply of spare parts and introduction to the international market. And then Putin decided to help out "good partners" in a difficult situation ...
      1. Sergey Latyshev
        
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        7 August 2020 12: 37
        
        No, how many articles were abusive or laudatory, I have not heard this.
        Moreover, the parts are different. They buy titanium from us, we have composite from them. Sometimes the Pros will tell you something else ...
        
        By the way, today at VO "Rostec": saw the century or a percussion instrument? - a bit the topic of engines is revealed ...
        
        And Putin and Medvedev - noted - Boeing fans ... just a little - they were making purchases ...
        
        Magog
        
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        7 August 2020 12: 52
        
        Now, when the aircraft is in production, we make the airframe parts ourselves, the engines will also soon have only our own - and this is right in such conditions of cooperation with "partners"! Trust in the West is costly for the country ... but not for the responsible persons who made decisions in the past "to integrate into the world economy."
        
        Sergey Latyshev
        
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        7 August 2020 13: 52
        
        Yeah, just a little, just the West.
        
        Spare parts were not stupid. And not more often than others. Just lying in a warehouse in Moscow. And it broke down, for example, in Argentina or Kazakhstan.
        
        But Boeing gave a lift in half a day, and here - in half a week, according to the notes of the pilots ...
      2. Kuzmich Sibiryakov
        
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        14 August 2020 21: 48
        
        Quote: Magog
        In reality, we do not manufacture Sukhoi Superjet, but only assemble. The Superjet was assembled in Komsomolsk-on-Amur, and even its quality was so low that there were huge problems with the aircraft. In terms of operation, it is insanely ineffective. But Aeroflot is being forced upon it. The Superjet project belongs to Putin, therefore, there are no options not to buy this aircraft.
        
        This indirectly confirms the rumor that I heard about 6-7 years ago, about the agreement between Putin and Obama to take the aircraft unfinished in the USA into their development. In the States, by this time, the finished parts of the future aircraft were allegedly already stored, the production of which, for some reason, was abandoned there. The Americans, as always, promised to help with the supply of spare parts and introduction to the international market. And then Putin decided to help out "good partners" in a difficult situation ...
        
        It is impossible to believe in it. Obama sells private projects. That Putin, in principle, for the State Corporation, could have hurried in advance, but the private owner cannot be ordered. You can prohibit, there are levers for this. And a manufacturer in the United States will cede his ideas, especially a semi-finished product, to a competitor? I have never heard of such feats of a competitor. Okay, talking about the supply of titanium iron, for the beautiful Obama eyes ...
123

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7 August 2020 00: 09

Cuts the wave beautifully.
Sergey Latyshev

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7 August 2020 09: 17

By the way, on VO there is an article about deep-seated matters in engine building ... Rostec: a saw of the century or a percussion instrument?

For those who are not fond of the topic, it explains a lot.
1. Alexey Semenenko
  
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  7 August 2020 13: 08
  
  Yes, there is a beautiful description of the engines.
Tektor

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7 August 2020 11: 19

The main advantage of the MC-21 may be its highest cruising speed compared to competitors. It is achieved through better aerodynamic quality, higher flight altitudes and more efficient engines. With the Pratt / Whitney engine, the speed was 900 km / h and an echelon height of 12,5 km. I really hope that with the PD-14 it will be possible to cover these indicators: it would be very great if the cruising speed were raised to 925 km / h. Then the competitors would be noticeably bypassed.
1. monman
  
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  7 August 2020 13: 28
  
  Then the competitors would be noticeably bypassed.
  
  Competitors can be bypassed in terms of the aircraft's economic performance and operating cost. The takeoff weight of the MS-21 is 8 tons lower than that of the lightest Boeing Max. Those. the flight range will be shorter. And that was in the article. What was not in the article was the gluttony of the engine - the British did not know, but the Russians hid it (the girlish coquetry prevented from telling ...). And as for the beggar logistician - it's already in the blood ...
  1. 123
    
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    8 August 2020 20: 27
    
    Competitors can be bypassed in terms of the aircraft's economic performance and operating cost.
    
    Competitors can be circumvented in terms of security If the plane does not reach the runway, then it is not so important how much more it could fly. But apparently, their modesty is silent about this. Not all companies have landed their Boeings and now .... Another Boeing 737-800. But with the logistics, apparently, everything is in order?
    1. monman
      
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      9 August 2020 00: 12
      
      123, you said:
      
      If the plane does not reach the runway
      
      - although you know perfectly well that
      
      ... after landing in rainy weather, the plane flew past the runway and fell 35 feet into a ravine, shattering the fuselage in two.
      
      Do not pretend, full of info in English and with your English it is easy to understand that only a safe will withstand a fall in a gorge, not an airplane.
      The reason for the miss is being investigated, but we will wait for your discoveries and comments ...
      1. 123
        
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        9 August 2020 13: 04
        
        I meant that there are many complaints about Boeing. 737 in many countries were driven to the "bench" before the pandemic. This case was cited as an example solely as a refusal to put an apparently unsafe aircraft on the road. Most likely, for economic reasons, which, you see, raises many questions, especially considering its fall. It is too early to talk about the reasons for the crash of this particular plane. "Disadvantages" that led to disasters in the recent past have not been eliminated, but they continue to fly and people still die.
        Perhaps I'm wrong, but this is a fat minus for Boeing, negating almost all the advantages, but we ~~prohibit picking your nose~~, talk about excessive fuel consumption and poor logistics.
        It is not entirely clear what kind of gluttony you are talking about, but in order not to get into the technical jungle, even if the fuel consumption is higher, then this disadvantage is offset by the lower cost of the aircraft. In addition, for example, Iran, for example, will probably prefer to buy an aircraft with a slightly higher fuel consumption than not to buy any at all.
        As for the logistics, they won't be able to do this because they haven't done it for the Superjet? Are these all arguments?
        Well, then catch it. Boeing will never be a safe aircraft and will continue to kill people. "This plane was designed by clowns led by monkeys."
        
        monman
        
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        14 August 2020 22: 20
        
        Boeing will never be a safe aircraft and will continue to kill people.
        
        This plane was designed by clowns led by monkeys. "
        
        Reincarnated Wang or 123, look at the recently launched twin-engine giant Boeing 777X, just handsome !!
        
        https://www.yahoo.com/news/boeings-enormous-flagship-plane-777x-202149901.html
        
        I haven't translated the article, you have good English, you can handle it.
        By the way, two engines from GE, but what a! And economical!
        Well, I really want you to be happy for the engineering mind of “clowns and monkeys”. No, I won't persuade you - it's pointless, but don't sleep - you envy ... Or write something back to me to make you feel better ...
        
        123
        
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        14 August 2020 22: 55
        
        Thanks, looked. You are exaggerating my knowledge of English. The plane is good and the engines are too, however, this is a modernization of the development of the 90s, but this is normal for aviation. Our Il-96s began to be made again, although the PD-35 engine is only being developed. The first will be with 4 engines. I am always ready to be happy for the aviators.
        Can you tell me - there are a lot of orders for 777? And then they write, Boeing production is reduced by half. Your Russian is good, I haven't translated the article, you can handle it.
        
        https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/4416436
        
        Sleep well, apparently, Boeings will make noise much less often.
        
        monman
        
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        15 August 2020 02: 38
        
        And then they write, Boeing production is reduced by half.
        
        Boeing very well reduced production, but as everyone (we / you) understand that temporarily - covid, you understand. Accidents? Yes, there were, and with the dead, but ... time will heal the memory of this, and the plane has been fixed, there will be orders.
        
        Sleep well, apparently, Boeings will make noise much less often.
        
        I like it !!! Boeings do not interfere with my sleep, even residents in the vicinity of the airport do not complain - they are very quiet. But geese / ducks interfere with sleep, flying low over the house at night (the lake is nearby).
        
        123
        
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        15 August 2020 08: 28
        
        Boeing very well reduced production, but as everyone (we / you) understand that temporarily - covid, you understand. Accidents? Yes, there were, and with the dead, but ... time will heal the memory of this, and the plane has been fixed, there will be orders.
        
        Correct? Did the clowns and monkeys stay in place? Did they fix it?
        Disasters will be forgotten over time, but the residue will remain. And orders will appear, production is sometimes restored. We had such a devastation, and that production is getting better. That's just how it will be gone before. The demand for planes has fallen, and not everyone has lost their memory, between Boeing and Airbus they will rather choose a European. And then there's Chinese and Russian to choose from.
2. Kuzmich Sibiryakov
  
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  14 August 2020 21: 55
  
  Quote: Tektor
  The main advantage of the MC-21 may be its highest cruising speed compared to competitors. It is achieved through better aerodynamic quality, higher flight altitudes and more efficient engines. With the Pratt / Whitney engine, the speed was 900 km / h and an echelon height of 12,5 km. I really hope that with the PD-14 it will be possible to cover these indicators: it would be very great if the cruising speed were raised to 925 km / h. Then the competitors would be noticeably bypassed.
  
  You are talking about the empty. A medium-haul airplane with an added speed of 25 km / h will win 1000 km a minute. Which get lost at airports, at check-in and other formalities, on the way from the hotel to the airport in MANY HOURS. Here, comfort, quality of service, and, of course, safety come first and foremost.
Alexey Semenenko

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7 August 2020 13: 04

Stop being afraid of possible delays in the supply of spare parts ... So in the article ..
Remembering the story with the spare parts for the SSZ, I somehow doubt it.
1. 123
  
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  8 August 2020 20: 29
  
  Stop being afraid of possible delays in the supply of spare parts ... So in the article ..
  Remembering the story with the spare parts for the SSZ, I somehow doubt it.
  
  What else is there for you? Doubt and grit your teeth.
  1. Alexey Semenenko
    
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    9 August 2020 13: 52
    
    So you have to be sure? Well, the fact that there are no spare parts and will not be? It's like the Bitches in India. 60% are laid up. Due to the absence of the ZCH. And with the SSJ, I remember how the Mexican had to be cannibalized, getting the necessary fintiflyushki ...
    Eh, and I will grit my teeth when the entire armada of many thousands of MS-21s proudly roars up under the clouds all over the world, eclipsing the pathetic crowds of rusty Boeing with the shadow of proud wings ...
    And there, you see, and interplanetary flights! to a chess tournament ....
    1. 123
      
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      9 August 2020 14: 29
      
      So you have to be sure? Well, the fact that there are no spare parts and will not be?
      It's like the Bitches in India. 60% are laid up. Due to the absence of ZCH.
      
      You are so knowledgeable Apparently, the Indians send reports on the combat readiness of the Air Force?
      If there are not enough spare parts, then you should probably buy them. You probably have no problem with this?
      
      And with the SSJ, I remember how the Mexican had to be cannibalized, getting the necessary fintiflyushki ...
      
      It is not easy to secure a stock of imported "fintiflyushki", which have to be purchased in advance and at inflated prices. Own production will reduce the cost of spare parts and ensure their uninterrupted delivery. Can you advise something useful? You probably have vast experience in organizing logistics?
      
      eh, and I will grit my teeth when the entire armada of the MC21, many thousands, will proudly rise under the clouds around the world, eclipsing the pathetic crowds of rusty Boeings with the shadow of proud wings ...
      
      I doubt it will not happen tomorrow, there will be plenty of reasons for gnashing teeth, you will have erased your teeth by that time, you will have to create friction with your gums. As a long-range aviation "veteran", have you seen a lot of rusty aircraft?
      
      and there, you see, and interplanetary flights! to a chess tournament ....
      
      What are you, our plans are much more modest, in terms of unrealizable dreams we are not your competitors.
    2. Kuzmich Sibiryakov
      
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      14 August 2020 21: 59
      
      Quote: Alexey Semenenko
      So you have to be sure? Well, the fact that there are no spare parts and will not be? It's like the Bitches in India. 60% are laid up. Due to the absence of the ZCH. And with the SSJ, I remember how the Mexican had to be cannibalized, getting the necessary fintiflyushki ...
      Eh, and I will grit my teeth when the entire armada of many thousands of MS-21s proudly roars up under the clouds all over the world, eclipsing the pathetic crowds of rusty Boeing with the shadow of proud wings ...
      And there, you see, and interplanetary flights! to a chess tournament ....
      
      Start creaking now. Gradually you will reach a state where there will be nothing to creak. You will become toothless, soft, and safe. You will live a couple more years.
      The main thing in life is not to rush, not to strain, to do everything in advance.