Is it worth it to distribute money to the population in Russia, as the United States did?


Economy The United States, the largest in the world, is at the same time the most affected by the consequences of the "coronacrisis". Losses have already amounted to 33%, which corresponds to the level of the post-war 1947. This automatically resets all previous achievements of President Donald Trump on the eve of the November elections, which is very bad for the head of the White House. news.


The authorities have already "dropped from a helicopter" on the Americans an incredible amount of $ 3 trillion and are preparing to throw another $ 1 trillion on top. Democrats and Republicans are competing for the most effective program of state support for the population and business, the volume of which is close to half of the US GDP. However, the results of measures already taken are assessed differently.

Uncle Sam really helped a lot of people. The coronavirus pandemic has hit the pride and showcase of the American economy - small business. Thousands and thousands of small businesses across the country remain closed, they are forced to lay off some of their employees, and transfer others to remote work. Left without a monthly source of income, about 40% of tenants are at risk of finding themselves on the street, and mortgages will also have a problem. It is clear that on the eve of the presidential elections something must be done about this.

Already, about 16 million payments have been made to such families in difficult situations. The maximum assistance amount is $ 3500. People were able to pay off their current payments, consumer demand was supported. The online trading service is developing especially actively during a pandemic, which benefits large corporations. The business was also supported by the US Federal Reserve, which lowered the rate to zero. A large-scale program for the purchase of corporate bonds and liquidity saturation has been launched. Such salutary measures are possible, such as entering the authorized capital of companies in distress. The Payroll Protection Program (PPP) provides loans that the business has the right to write off 100% if it retains the staff and their salaries.

In general, this is an example of economic aid from the state, unusual for a leading capitalist country, which helped save many companies and the fate of millions of people from collapse. For this reason, this experience should be carefully studied with a view to its possible application in Russia. However, critics may say that it is not very effective when judging by current US GDP figures.

There are a number of problems that hinder the maximum development of the potential of this assistance program. What are they?

At firstAs business representatives note, due to the high demand for support measures, long waiting lines are formed at banks, which can drag on for a month or more. It also requires a lot of paperwork. And time is money.

Secondly, there is information that some "needy" are actively deceiving the state. In collusion with the employer, such employees are officially dismissed in order to receive financial assistance, but they themselves de facto work for a salary "in an envelope". They say this scheme is popular among national minorities.

ThirdlyMore importantly, this assistance program is a one-off and clearly timed to coincide with the presidential campaign. Until November, applicants will compete with each other in unprecedented generosity, after which everything is likely to decline. At the same time, the negative consequences of quarantine for small businesses by themselves will not go anywhere, but these will already be the personal problems of entrepreneurs. Financial assistance will become much more targeted.

The United States is clearly not going to turn into a welfare state. Therefore, Americans should hurry up to have time to get theirs, while they give.
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  1. Russian-speaking Caucasian 5 August 2020 11: 28
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    The state can help both the population and the domestic producer at the same time: issue coupons for the purchase of Russian goods, for example, food and medicine.
    1. Vladimir Tuzakov (Vladimir Tuzakov) 5 August 2020 11: 49
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      I agree with you, the absolutely correct direction of assistance in times of crisis - such means have always been used in difficult times by many European states. Even in favorable times, the United States issued coupons to those in need and they could only be applied to food and goods produced in the United States ... The state exists for the citizens of the state, and in difficult times the state's resources not to be directed to help citizens in need is, in fact, a CRIME of the government .. ...
    2. Kuzmich Sibiryakov (Kuzmich Sibiryakov) 5 August 2020 13: 44
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      Quote: Russian-speaking Caucasian
      The state can help both the population and the domestic producer at the same time: issue coupons for the purchase of Russian goods, for example, food and medicine.

      "Economist". Are coupons prosthetic money? Launching a parallel money system? And what's the difference - after all, if you understood the basics, you would know the concept of money. Money is the equivalent of labor. This is how economists interpret this concept. Any form of money, be it even virtual-electronic, will not be useful if it does not stimulate labor. The money supply stored in the accounts of foreign banks as state reserves, in the form of stabilization funds, although private, in the form of the oligarchs taken out dough, should be involved in work within Russia. Money goes where it is safe. And where can they make a profit. Swearing oligarchs for exporting dough when the state itself is doing the same is simply dishonorable and cynical. You need to take an example from China. In three decades, from a dying country to turn into a self-sufficient state with one of the strongest economy. The most powerful patriotism from the street cleaner to the President. And private production with competition both inside and outside the borders, at the same time with the most severe state control.
      1. Vladimir Tuzakov (Vladimir Tuzakov) 10 August 2020 19: 03
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        You don’t understand the essence of such coupons, it’s like food coupons in a certain canteen, only a wider assortment of goods and shops ... ... This is for the poor to overcome difficult times ... Therefore, your calculations about money have nothing to do with coupons ... As for the Chinese miracle, a country must have an idea and a corresponding government. Today, the Russian Federation has neither one nor the other, that's why what we have in the state happens ...
        1. Kuzmich Sibiryakov (Kuzmich Sibiryakov) 11 August 2020 00: 01
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          Quote: Vladimir Tuzakov
          You don’t understand the essence of such coupons, it’s like food coupons in a certain canteen, only a wider assortment of goods and shops ... ... This is for the poor to overcome difficult times ... Therefore, your calculations about money have nothing to do with coupons ... As for the Chinese miracle, a country must have an idea and a corresponding government. Today, the Russian Federation has neither one nor the other, that's why what we have in the state happens ...

          You don’t understand that. There are no properly organized transactions, except between goods and money, and cannot be. How to drive into your head that the form of money can be any. At least bitcoins. Whether gold coins or stones used on the islands. Where for a pebble with a hole in the middle you can buy a herd of sheep. The product (in your example - food) can only be exchanged for money) coupons. Which you have exist in a form parallel to the monetary system. Doubling? Cash flow is inflationary eating up of the price of money. There is also an archaic form of trade - commodity-commodity. No money left. This can be done when the state is not present during this operation. Neighbor-neighbor. Barter is the name of such a form. I went to the Urals to Kanash for an instrument. They demanded an electric cable for it. Bash - on bash. How will we agree. But these are not legal transactions. No budget revenues. Non-cash transactions are not tracked by the tax system. It is possible only by law enforcement officers. But here - the landing. No income to the budget - how to feed pensioners, the police, the army, schools, medicine? Coupons are non-cash transactions. Coupon - must be in state circulation, and be protected at the banknote level. Then what's the point in having it? Think, damn you! What you propose is solved simply - by approving the size of the shopping basket. It has been calculated what everyone should consume. Meat, milk, vegetables, panties, coats, housing. And on this basis, to approve the minimum wage and living wage. The minimum is for pensioners and those who are not working, the minimum is for those who are working. And every quarter to recount and re-approve these figures. Then, at any price of goods (the price of the basket also grows), he will buy and eat as much as it should be according to the medical norm. Dress up somehow. These are the minimum social guarantees. But everything is under control. And does not creep about the voluntarism of the local. It is necessary to study the environment; stupid projects will not be born. This is done everywhere and in all civilized times.
          1. Vladimir Tuzakov (Vladimir Tuzakov) 11 August 2020 09: 23
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            Take an interest in coupons in the USA, there they constantly exist all the time ... And you won't have to print your own thoughts ...
            1. Kuzmich Sibiryakov (Kuzmich Sibiryakov) 11 August 2020 15: 51
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              Quote: Vladimir Tuzakov
              Take an interest in coupons in the USA, there they constantly exist all the time ... And you won't have to print your own thoughts ...

              I used such coupons in my Sosnovka to buy vodka, salt, oil, and five or six more types of food products. This is not a payment system, it is a distribution system. By presenting the coupon, the unemployed took the goods PAID by the state. The coupon itself was not money. Try to buy pants with a food coupon. Report the result. Well, you fool, you have to be like that ...
              Unlike the United States, I paid the price myself for vodka. By presenting, however, a ticket. This is done so that I could not buy everything and establish speculation. In the United States, coupons were paid by the state, paying for the return of coupons to him by the seller. Either directly, in money, or tax breaks. The state has many ways.
  2. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 5 August 2020 14: 29
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    It is worth it, not worth it, but the answer has long been given by the Kremlin: Shish you, not money. Allocated children's money, and hare. 10 thousand to 3 is almost 2 months of income of the middle class, according to Putin. How much more?

    Moreover, the Elite invested in gloves and masks, it is necessary not to distribute money, but to force them to buy at exorbitant prices!
    Well, raise prices for everything, so that they don't relax and hold on ...
  3. Nikolaevich I Offline Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I (Vladimir) 5 August 2020 16: 15
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    This reminds me of something! How is Bender doing? Materializing spirits and distributing elephants?

  4. Alexzn Offline Alexzn
    Alexzn (Alexander) 5 August 2020 16: 47
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    There are two ways of distributing helicopter money, the socialist one is given only to the needy to alleviate their situation, the capitalist one is to give it to everyone in order to stimulate the economy by increasing demand. In my opinion,
    capitalist is more rational (surprisingly). All countries with resources are distributing helicopter money. The expediency of this is not even discussed, it is obvious.
    1. Kuzmich Sibiryakov (Kuzmich Sibiryakov) 5 August 2020 17: 23
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      Quote: AlexZN
      There are two ways of distributing helicopter money, the socialist one is given only to the needy to alleviate their situation, the capitalist one is to give it to everyone in order to stimulate the economy by increasing demand. In my opinion, capitalist is more rational (surprisingly). All countries with resources are distributing helicopter money, the expediency of this is not even discussed, it is obvious.

      In order to ANYTHING to pronounce something, you need to study the subject as little as possible. Distributing money will not give EVERYONE anything. This is done by printing pieces of paper, since the additional amount does not equal the additional amount of labor. The very definition of money is violated. Money is the equivalent of labor. Blank pieces of paper, for the most part, will make the value of money less. For money has ALL the properties of a commodity. If there is a lot of money, it is cheap. How much does snow in Russia cost in winter? FEW. Because there is a lot of it. In the summer in Africa, how much does the same product - snow - cost? EXPENSIVE. Because it is not enough. We were already millionaires. In the 90s. Were you rich? Any amount of money distributed SO SIMPLY, without difficulty, will devalue the whole mass. Inflation. Are you familiar with this phenomenon?
      Roosevelt, in the 30s of the last century, ORDERED to pay workers the minimum wage - $ 5 per hour. This is not a giveaway. This is payment for labor, that is, not for everyone, en masse, but for labor. $ 5 is not common for everyone, this is the minimum. And more - as much as you like, but you need to understand that a private trader will not just throw loot for anyone. He pays not strangers - budgetary ones, but his own.
      1. Alexzn Offline Alexzn
        Alexzn (Alexander) 5 August 2020 18: 15
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        Amused. I learned a lot of interesting things about money and how it works. Again referring to Keynes, you can varnish with Friedman or my beloved Gelbraith.
        Helicopter money, of course, stimulates inflation, but not to fat. We need a starter, a catalyst to restart production through an increase in consumer demand. Elementary. This is nothing new and it works great.
        1. Kuzmich Sibiryakov (Kuzmich Sibiryakov) 5 August 2020 18: 21
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          Quote: AlexZN
          Amused. I learned a lot of interesting things about money and how it works. Again referring to Keynes, you can varnish with Friedman or my beloved Gelbraith.
          Helicopter money certainly stimulates inflation, but not to fat. We need a starter, a catalyst to restart production through an increase in consumer demand. Elementary. This is nothing new and it works great.

          It is better to have well-organized brains than well-filled ones (Kozma Prutkov). There is no need to try to show your awareness, since you yourself do not understand the essence.
          When inflation wins out COMPETITION, STEPLY RISING TAX SCALE, when the PROFIT cannot be higher than 5% per year, one-time injections of the bubble will sooner or later be eaten up. When they try to reduce inflation by withdrawing the dough from circulation, throwing it into stabilization funds, throwing it out massively, the very same, will make decades of efforts to bring the economy back to normal, when inflation raged at tens of thousands of percent a year, to zero.
      2. Oyo Sarkazmi Offline Oyo Sarkazmi
        Oyo Sarkazmi (Oyo Sarkazmi) 5 August 2020 21: 07
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        Quote: Kuzmich Sibiryakov
        Roosevelt, in the 30s of the last century, ORDERED to pay workers the minimum wage - $ 5 per hour.

        Roosevelt had to finish off capitalism. And in the foundation.
        After all, what happened? Capitalists began issuing shares that were sold for real gold dollars. In order to buy more shares, people took out loans.
        And then the money ran out. All the gold was in jars. When the hamsters tried to sell the shares, the capitalists said, "We don't need to trab!" The money is from the capitalists, who do not need anything, and people are in debt, they cannot buy either bread or cigarettes. Industrialists cannot sell anything. Even more surprising - the US government used its own money to buy food from farmers to support them - and what they bought was destroyed !!! The well-known footage of pouring milk on the ground is done by the hands of the police and the nat. guardsmen. This is such a concern for the people.
        Roosevelt came to power. What did he do? He printed paper dollars, under pain of prison and hard labor, exchanged all the gold in the country for paper. Capitalist bankers have also become hamsters. Roosevelt then began printing bills and paying them for public works — mostly road construction. Capitalism had died - now there was plenty of money, and it was impossible to strangle competitors by washing out money or dumping money. BOURGEOIS returned to power - plant owners, not bankers.
        1. Kuzmich Sibiryakov (Kuzmich Sibiryakov) 6 August 2020 10: 47
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          Quote: Oyo Sarkazmi
          Quote: Kuzmich Sibiryakov
          Roosevelt, in the 30s of the last century, ORDERED to pay workers the minimum wage - $ 5 per hour.

          Roosevelt had to finish off capitalism. And in the foundation.
          After all, what happened? Capitalists began issuing shares that were sold for real gold dollars. In order to buy more shares, people took out loans.
          And then the money ran out. All the gold was in jars. When the hamsters tried to sell the shares, the capitalists said, "We don't need to trab!" The money is from the capitalists, who do not need anything, and people are in debt, they cannot buy either bread or cigarettes. Industrialists cannot sell anything. Even more surprising - the US government used its own money to buy food from farmers to support them - and what they bought was destroyed !!! The well-known footage of pouring milk on the ground is done by the hands of the police and the nat. guardsmen. This is such a concern for the people.
          Roosevelt came to power. What did he do? He printed paper dollars, under pain of prison and hard labor, exchanged all the gold in the country for paper. Capitalist bankers have also become hamsters. Roosevelt then began printing bills and paying them for public works — mostly road construction. Capitalism had died - now there was plenty of money, and it was impossible to strangle competitors by washing out money or dumping money. BOURGEOIS returned to power - plant owners, not bankers.

          A more stupid statement, I have not read it yet. Government with its own money .... Where does the state get its own money? Well, not the government, but members of the government would write. It would be true, but it did nothing good. Printed paper and bought gold with it. Ostap Bender.
          1. Oyo Sarkazmi Offline Oyo Sarkazmi
            Oyo Sarkazmi (Oyo Sarkazmi) 6 August 2020 10: 55
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            Quote: Kuzmich Sibiryakov
            Well, not the government, but members of the government would write.

            Wow! All state. administration, police, army - work for thanks? Or for the money of the Ministry of Finance, which collects them from the population for every sneeze?
            And yes, Roosevelt criminalized the ownership of gold. Those who did not exchange gold and silver dollars for paper dollars (at the rate of 1 to 1) were subject to imprisonment for 10 years. It is clear that these 10 years did not shine on workers and farmers ...
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        2. Vladimir Tuzakov (Vladimir Tuzakov) 8 August 2020 18: 55
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          A small amendment, Dollars are private property, and then, forcibly buying up gold in the 30th for paper dollars, gold accumulated from the owners of the dollars (FRS - which are several banking families). There are four players in the United States: the lowest is the people, the middle is the entrepreneurs, the higher is the small banks and bankers, and the highest is the Fed, which prints its own dollars and gives the state for RENT ... Therefore, the main beneficiary of the artificially created Great Depression and further perturbations, the owners of dollars are the FRS (several leading banking houses, all Jewish) ... There are several materials on this issue on Yu-tube, clearly presented at the academic level ...
    2. Digital error Offline Digital error
      Digital error (Eugene) 5 August 2020 19: 13
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      Quote: AlexZN
      There are two ways to distribute helicopter money

      Sometimes there is only one way - "capitalist" in your terminology. When there is no time to prove to some, and to check the need for others - when money is needed today, and not in a week / month. By the way, under the "coronavirus noise" according to a simplified procedure (and therefore without proper discussion) the draft law on EFIR was adopted - have you heard? And as one of the justifications for the need to adopt this draft law, it was indicated that care for citizens through the emergence of a mechanism for prompt provision of ... targeted assistance to the state! If we proceed from your terminology, our state is firmly and confidently taking the "socialist" path lol Here's a paradox - we didn't see the elephant. wink
  5. Cyril Online Cyril
    Cyril (Kirill) 5 August 2020 17: 34
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    In general, this is an example of economic aid from the state, unusual for a leading capitalist country, which helped save many companies and the fate of millions of people from collapse.

    The history of the United States is full of examples when the state helped the population and business to get through difficult times. Even more than in the history of the supposedly social USSR.
    1. Kuzmich Sibiryakov (Kuzmich Sibiryakov) 5 August 2020 18: 32
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      Quote: Cyril
      In general, this is an example of economic aid from the state, unusual for a leading capitalist country, which helped save many companies and the fate of millions of people from collapse.

      The history of the United States is full of examples when the state helped the population and business to get through difficult times. Even more than in the history of the supposedly social USSR.

      So give such examples.
      1. Cyril Online Cyril
        Cyril (Kirill) 5 August 2020 19: 07
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        Franklin Roosevelt's New Deal, measures after the 1973 Oil Crisis, aid during WWII, aid after Hurricane Katrina, etc.
  6. Alexzn Offline Alexzn
    Alexzn (Alexander) 5 August 2020 18: 25
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    Quote: Kuzmich Sibiryakov
    Quote: AlexZN
    Amused. I learned a lot of interesting things about money and how it works. Again referring to Keynes, you can varnish with Friedman or my beloved Gelbraith.
    Helicopter money certainly stimulates inflation, but not to fat. We need a starter, a catalyst to restart production through an increase in consumer demand. Elementary. This is nothing new and it works great.

    It is better to have well-organized brains than well-filled ones (Kozma Prutkov). There is no need to try to show your awareness, since you yourself do not understand the essence.
    When inflation wins out COMPETITION, STEPLY RISING TAX SCALE, when the PROFIT cannot be higher than 5% per year, one-time injections of the bubble will sooner or later be eaten up. When they try to reduce inflation by withdrawing the dough from circulation, throwing it into stabilization funds, throwing it out massively, the very same, will make decades of efforts to bring the economy back to normal, when inflation raged at tens of thousands of percent a year, to zero.

    If you conduct a dialogue in a similar tone, then I will limit myself to the first part, your first sentence - Better to have brains. Point.
    1. Kuzmich Sibiryakov (Kuzmich Sibiryakov) 5 August 2020 18: 34
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      If you conduct a dialogue in a similar tone, then I will limit myself to the first part, your first sentence - Better to have brains. Point.

      I agree. Due to the lack of something, you do not find the opportunity to continue.
  7. Alexzn Offline Alexzn
    Alexzn (Alexander) 5 August 2020 18: 31
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    When I wrote about two types of helicopter money, about the tasks that are posed and the indisputability of the rationality of this approach, I forgot to clarify - it all works in principle ... I think it will work in Russia, but ... I have no complete confidence.
    1. Kuzmich Sibiryakov (Kuzmich Sibiryakov) 5 August 2020 18: 39
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      Quote: AlexZN
      When I wrote about two types of helicopter money, about the tasks that are posed and the indisputability of the rationality of this approach, I forgot to clarify - it all works in principle ... I think it will work in Russia, but ... I have no complete confidence.

      The principle doesn't work everywhere. The main thing is missing - a multi-structured economy. State monopoly crushes everything. The horizontal tax scale does not provide incentives to make production modern and efficient. WHO can threaten the same Russian Railways? GAZPROM? ENERGY? ROSCOSMOS? And if there is no threat of bankruptcy, there is no real effort to perfection. The state will NEVER bankrupt a STATE company.
    2. Kuzmich Sibiryakov (Kuzmich Sibiryakov) 5 August 2020 18: 57
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      Quote: AlexZN
      When I wrote about two types of helicopter money, about the tasks that are posed and the indisputability of the rationality of this approach, I forgot to clarify - it all works in principle ... I think it will work in Russia, but ... I have no complete confidence.



      Come on, you are our touchy, carefully consider this picture. As an example. What do we see? A small share of taxes and a huge share of levies. If it were all taxes, then the manufacturer WOULD HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY AND INTEREST to effectively steer. For example, the payroll tax is large. He begins to save money, cut staff, pay less (currently in Russia). For example, taxable base, profit. Will begin to reduce profits. These are low prices for the product, these are high salaries for personnel, and the purchase of expensive equipment. And in these conditions - WHY IS IT ALL? Well, I saved it. And the levies will increase, and this is not in the hands of the manufacturer. Therefore, lice. Maybe your venerable surnames will say something different? Come on, them here. Talk.
      1. Alexzn Offline Alexzn
        Alexzn (Alexander) 5 August 2020 19: 26
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        For a start - learn to contact you, I'm not at the age to poke me.
        Didn't understand the difference between taxes and levies in your version. I didn't understand why 60% of taxes is a small fraction.
        I advise you to inquire about the specifics of such products as alcohol, tobacco products, fuel. Further - rent and monopoly.
        It is not clear how helicopter money, which has its own role in a very short period of time, is connected with the problems of systemic errors in the Russian economy.
        1. Kuzmich Sibiryakov (Kuzmich Sibiryakov) 5 August 2020 19: 50
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          Quote: AlexZN
          To begin with - learn to contact you, I'm not at the age to be poked at me.
          Didn't understand the difference between taxes and levies in your version. I didn't understand why 60% of taxes is a small fraction.
          I advise you to inquire about the specifics of such products as alcohol, tobacco products, fuel. Further - rent and monopoly.
          It is not clear how helicopter money, which has its own role in a very short period of time, is connected with the problems of systemic errors in the Russian economy.

          We will work it out when we start to respect. Why, forgive me, please? At 73, I used to respect not shoulder straps, but intelligence, skill, talents. So far I have not noticed anything like this.
          1. Alexzn Offline Alexzn
            Alexzn (Alexander) 5 August 2020 19: 55
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            At 73, can you poke? A peculiar idea of ​​the criteria for addressing strangers.
            The polite form of address is not supposed for something, but because ... But this, apparently, passed you by.
            1. Kuzmich Sibiryakov (Kuzmich Sibiryakov) 5 August 2020 20: 02
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              Quote: AlexZN
              At 73, can you poke? A peculiar idea of ​​the criteria for addressing strangers.
              The polite form of address is not supposed for something, but because ... But this, apparently, passed you by.

              73 years is experience. Including in circulation. Including in the assessment. I have been reading your opuses for a long time, do not think that I am new here. Not at all.
  8. Alexzn Offline Alexzn
    Alexzn (Alexander) 5 August 2020 18: 56
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    From today, all Israeli citizens will receive 190 euros. For 30% of the population, this is help in plugging holes, for the rest (conventionally the middle class) it is an excuse to go shopping or sit a couple of times in a restaurant. Yesterday my wife and I were in a large shopping center, where we were invited for sales and which we might not be going to now. We are encouraged to spend this money in shops and services. For the majority of Israelis, this amount is not fundamental, and we will gladly leave it with the owners of small and medium-sized businesses, who must restart in the new conditions.
    In Israel, there is a form of "conditional helicopter" money, twice a year, employees of most enterprises receive "gift" money, which is traditionally spent on pleasant purchases that stimulate consumer demand. In addition, there is a "gift" system for employees in the form of 2-3 days of rest in the country's hotels, stimulating domestic tourism and supporting tourism business.
    1. Kuzmich Sibiryakov (Kuzmich Sibiryakov) 5 August 2020 19: 17
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      Quote: AlexZN
      From today, all Israeli citizens will receive 190 euros. For 30% of the population, this is help in plugging holes, for the rest (conventionally the middle class) it is an excuse to go shopping or sit a couple of times in a restaurant. Yesterday my wife and I were in a large shopping center, where they called us for sales and in which we may not have gathered now. We are encouraged to spend this money in shops and services. For most Israelis, this amount is not fundamental and we will gladly leave it with the owners of small and medium-sized businesses, who must restart in the new conditions.
      In Israel, there is a form of "conditional helicopter" money, twice a year, employees of most enterprises receive "gift" money, which is traditionally spent on pleasant purchases that stimulate consumer demand. In addition, there is a "gift" system for employees in the form of 2-3 days of rest in the country's hotels, stimulating domestic tourism and supporting tourist business.

      If you are a Jew, then you cannot be a fool. Tell me, the cat Matroskin was right, or wrong, when he said that in order to buy something unnecessary, you must first sell something unnecessary. Let me put it differently. To give you these 190 euros, do you need to take them from someone first? Or will you not pay extra? Doesn't the thought come to your clever Jewish head that the state has NO money of its own? According to the very formula of economists, money is the equivalent of labor. You yourself must understand that the state itself does not work. It is engaged in the expropriation of dough from its citizens. By doing this within the framework of the laws that he himself writes.
  9. Alexzn Offline Alexzn
    Alexzn (Alexander) 5 August 2020 19: 31
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    Quote: Kuzmich Sibiryakov
    The state will NEVER bankrupt a STATE company.

    This has happened thousands of times and is happening now. The process goes in waves - nationalization - privatization - nationalization ... This is a process described a million times over. Now nationalization threatens the entire aviation industry and many airlines, after the crisis the companies will be sold into private hands.
    1. Kuzmich Sibiryakov (Kuzmich Sibiryakov) 5 August 2020 19: 54
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      Quote: AlexZN
      Quote: Kuzmich Sibiryakov
      The state will NEVER bankrupt a STATE company.

      This has happened thousands of times and is happening now. The process goes in waves - nationalization - privatization - nationalization ... This is a process described a million times over. Now nationalization threatens the entire aviation industry and many airlines, after the crisis the companies will be sold into private hands.

      Here you see. And you ask to contact you. Privatization - nationalization is pumping dough from a private pocket to a state one, and vice versa. With the rights of the strong. But here's how to bankrupt your own leg? Or liver? The second question is whether it is possible to fine a state-owned enterprise by a billion? Million. A thousand? Who will pay and to whom? The same question, but regarding a private enterprise.
  10. Alexzn Offline Alexzn
    Alexzn (Alexander) 5 August 2020 20: 17
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    Here you see. And you ask to contact you. Privatization - nationalization is pumping dough from a private pocket to a state one, and vice versa. With the rights of the strong. But here's how to bankrupt your own leg? Or liver? The second question is whether it is possible to fine a state-owned enterprise by a billion? Million. A thousand? Who will pay and to whom? The same question, but regarding a private enterprise.

    Check out what bankruptcy is. This is primarily not an economic, but a legal process ...
    1. Kuzmich Sibiryakov (Kuzmich Sibiryakov) 5 August 2020 22: 31
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      Quote: AlexZN
      Here you see. And you ask to contact you. Privatization - nationalization is pumping dough from a private pocket to a state one, and vice versa. With the rights of the strong. But here's how to bankrupt your own leg? Or liver? The second question is - can a state-owned enterprise be fined by a billion? Million. A thousand? Who will pay and to whom? The same question, but regarding a private enterprise.

      Check out what bankruptcy is. This is primarily not an economic, but a legal process ...

      Well, you, brother, give it. The reason is the economy, bad decisions that led to ..... Legal registration is a tool. Consequence. Which comes AFTER, and not "first". The reason is failure, one, but there can be many tools. And, not the fact that bankruptcy. Listen, why are you a Jew if you can't knit these things together? Are there really ignoramuses among you too? You know, I'm ashamed to say that with my secondary technical education. Mountain. What did you learn in your universities?
  11. Alexzn Offline Alexzn
    Alexzn (Alexander) 6 August 2020 07: 36
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    Quote: DigitalError
    Quote: AlexZN
    There are two ways to distribute helicopter money

    Sometimes there is only one way - "capitalist" in your terminology. When there is no time to prove to some, and to check the need for others - when money is needed today, and not in a week / month. By the way, under the "coronavirus noise" according to a simplified procedure (and therefore without proper discussion) the draft law on EFIR was adopted - have you heard? And as one of the justifications for the need to adopt this draft law, it was pointed out that it takes care of citizens through the emergence of a mechanism for the state to promptly provide ... targeted assistance! If we proceed from your terminology, our state is firmly and confidently taking the "socialist" path lol Here's a paradox - we didn't see the elephant. wink

    Don't oversimplify. The "capitalist" method is effective in developed economic systems, where helicopter money acts as a starter, a catalyst for consumer demand in the process of overcoming the coronavirus crisis. The "socialist" method of distribution involves solving the problem - feeding the hungry. In rich countries, both options are usually used, in poor countries - socialist, where it is more in demand.
  12. Citizen Mѣshkov (Sergѣi) 6 August 2020 21: 21
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    You don't have to give out money. The main thing is that the ruble does not collapse.
  13. Worth, but no money.