Political scientist: "Ukrainian scenario" in Belarus will lead to an imminent invasion of Russian troops

August 4 2020 138

After 33 Russian citizens were detained near Minsk, Ukraine began to actively interfere in the elections in Belarus. Kiev demands from Minsk to hand over the "mercenaries who fought in the Donbass", and Ukrainian experts tell the media that Moscow is ready to "occupy" Belarus, like Crimea and South Ossetia. All this is being done in order to embroil Belarusians and Russians.

For example, on August 3, 2020 on the air of the YouTube channel UKRLIFE, Ukrainian political scientist Ruslan Bortnik said that the implementation of the “Ukrainian scenario” in Belarus would lead to “tough and uncontested” direct military influence of Russia.

Moreover, Belarus and Russia are formally in the Union State, it has existed since the time of Yeltsin. And the possibility of using the Russian Armed Forces in this territory is legislatively more regulated and much simplified.

- explained Bortnik.

The expert suggested that the processes that are now being observed may be an element of the bargaining on the part of Minsk - Lukashenka wants to bargain for himself a certain place in the future united political system. He recalled that during the formation of the Union State, Lukashenka did not hide his ambitions regarding his occupation of the post of head of the union, especially against the background of the weak Boris Yeltsin.

According to the political scientist, Russian President Vladimir Putin has changed this. Therefore, a complex “elite game” is now being observed, a struggle between the Belarusian and Russian elites. But since Moscow is much stronger than Minsk in all respects, the outcome is predetermined.

I do not think that Putin can offer Lukashenka the post of prime minister in this system. They will not understand

- Bortnik specified.

And Lukashenko is threatened with the loss of all power, any power as a result of this scenario, since the experience of Kuchma, Yanukovych and many others, Shevardnadze, he should have heard

- Bortnik is sure.

The political scientist believes that the most likely scenario for the end of the current situation is even deeper integration between the two countries.

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1. Vladimir_ Voronov
  
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  4 August 2020 10: 31
  
  You have not yet expressed your opinion on this topic, I would like to know your opinion. This is the first time I read your "blank response".
  1. Bakht
    
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    4 August 2020 10: 37
    
    And there is nothing to discuss here. Has Ukraine already waited for the "invasion of Russia"? Now he predicts exactly the same "invasion of Belarus." It's just an empty ringing.
    
    Unfortunately, I must note that such meaningless news began to appear more and more often on Topkor.
    That's why I stopped watching all sorts of talk shows on TV because they talk nonsense. And all the parties at once. I'm afraid the level has dropped here too.
    1. Vladimir_ Voronov
      
      -1
      
      4 August 2020 11: 08
      
      I respect your opinion, so there is only one question - WHERE can you read an adequate analysis?
      1. Bakht
        
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        4 August 2020 11: 14
        
        Thanks for your kind words. But you can't read it anywhere. Because Lukashenka has completely lost his head. All he had to do was do nothing. And he would have won the election. And it is quite possible that he would have received the Maidan, which would have to be dispersed rather harshly.
        But he decided to play it safe and prove to the West that he is good, white and fluffy. And he does not need to arrange the Maidan. He will win the elections anyway. And after the announcement of the results, he will release the detainees to Russia. Well, a little more promotion on this. If he decides to give them to Kiev, then he will have a break in economic relations with Russia and the loss of power in the near future.
        These are just my assumptions. In a week everything will be cleared up.
Alexey Semenenko

-15

4 August 2020 11: 06

The demand for the extradition of international criminals, is it interference in the elections?
And sending a group of terrorists right before the elections is, of course, NOT interference.
1. Bakht
  
  +10
  
  4 August 2020 11: 09
  
  Where is it said that they are international criminals? What international law?
  1. 123
    
    +9
    
    4 August 2020 11: 22
    
    Where is it said that they are international criminals? What international law?
    
    Be merciful, do not break his hybrid brain with such difficult questions. You would also ask who recognized them as terrorists.
    1. Bakht
      
      +3
      
      4 August 2020 11: 28
      
      I was very wrong in one of my answers. There is a difference between the concepts of "mercenary" and "terrorist".
      For example, I am a mercenary. Like most of those present here. I am employed. I confess, like the detainees, I worked for an oil company. And even (scary to say) he was a freelancer and received a salary higher than the head of the party. Although he was a simple engineer.
      The definition of "mercenary" in terms of a combatant is in no way covered by international law. And strictly speaking, according to "international law" these people are not even military mercenaries. One of the definitions is missing.
      These people (detained) are employees of a private security company (there are hundreds of them in the world). Thousands of such people work in Africa, Latin America, Iraq, Afghanistan. This is not a crime.
      The question is different. What accusations is Minsk making against them? And what does Ukraine have to do with it? They appeared on the website of the Peacekeeper after their arrest. By the way, the site Myrotvorets itself works in violation of Ukrainian legislation and its activities were banned in Ukraine. But he wanted to spit on Ukrainian laws.
      1. Alexey Semenenko
        
        -13
        
        4 August 2020 11: 36
        
        Of the 33, 28 have a Ukrainian passport. Wanted. Failure to issue on demand = harboring.
        
        123
        
        +9
        
        4 August 2020 12: 12
        
        Of the 33, 28 have a Ukrainian passport. Wanted. Failure to issue on demand = harboring.
        
        It is a crime to extradite Russian citizens outside the union state. Roll up the requirements into a tube, then as your fantasy tells you.
        
        Alexey Semenenko
        
        -12
        
        4 August 2020 12: 51
        
        So it is Russian. There are five of them.
        
        123
        
        +9
        
        4 August 2020 13: 04
        
        So it is Russian. There are five of them.
        
        Which are five? All citizens of Russia. Honestly, you got it with your fantasies.
        
        Oleg Shlyapin
        
        -10
        
        4 August 2020 13: 13
        
        If, living in the Ukrainian Crimea and in the Ukrainian Donbass, a person burned (as an option tore it, throw it away, etc.) the passport of Ukraine and not in accordance with the procedure established by Ukrainian legislation Illegally received a passport of the Russian Federation in the occupied Crimea or Donbass, then such a person has not stopped being a citizen of Ukraine to be
        
        123
        
        +9
        
        4 August 2020 13: 21
        
        If, living in the Ukrainian Crimea and in the Ukrainian Donbass, a person burned (as an option tore it, throw it away, etc.) the passport of Ukraine and not in accordance with the procedure established by Ukrainian legislation Illegally received a passport of the Russian Federation in the occupied Crimea or Donbass, then such a person has not stopped being a citizen of Ukraine to be
        
        The procedure for obtaining Russian citizenship is determined exclusively by Russian law. Do you insist that Russia should be guided by Ukrainian legislation in this matter? Could you please substantiate your point of view? Why do you consider it possible to extend Ukrainian jurisdiction to the territory of Russia?
        Ukraine violates the established procedure for renouncing its citizenship, people are simply not given the opportunity to renounce it. You can consider anything on your territory, we are accustomed to your "quirks", you should not meddle with this nonsense on the territory of Russia and the Union State.
        
        Oleg Shlyapin
        
        -10
        
        4 August 2020 13: 27
        
        I do not insist on anything. Everything else has been said above.
        
        123
        
        +7
        
        4 August 2020 13: 30
        
        I do not insist on anything. Everything else was said above
        
        Do you no longer insist on the illegality of their obtaining Russian citizenship? Did I understand correctly?
        
        Oleg Shlyapin
        
        -8
        
        4 August 2020 16: 50
        
        1. They have not renounced Ukrainian citizenship.
        2. Obtaining a "Russian passport" in the temporarily occupied Crimea or parts of the Luhansk and Donetsk regions, according to international standards, is not Russian citizenship.
        
        So clearly explained?
        
        123
        
        +8
        
        4 August 2020 17: 08
        
        1) I don't care what they came out of or not. They are citizens of Russia.
        2) Crimea spat on the junta that seized Ukraine.
        
        And yet, in the LDNR, Russian passports are not issued, so you are lying once again. Hello Kryzhopol.
        
        I suppose you also read about "international norms" somewhere in the trash heap. Ask what exactly you mean, smile again and go to change trousers.
        
        Oleg Shlyapin
        
        -8
        
        4 August 2020 17: 26
        
        1. You will spit in your plate of cabbage soup. Not.
        2. What "Crimea" spits on Ukraine?
        3. Issued.
        4. I don't think the City of God is interested in you.
        5. Believe what you want.
        
        123
        
        +6
        
        4 August 2020 17: 32
        
        1. Why? I'm not a roguel.
        2. Crimea spits not on Ukraine, on the junta, and almost all of it (again, lying )
        3. Passports are issued on Russian territory. Stop lying.
        4. What god are you talking about? Country of schismatics and sectarians. Kryzhopol, in a word.
        5. Was I right?
        
        Oleg Shlyapin
        
        -5
        
        4 August 2020 22: 14
        
        Kryzhopol, translated as City of God
        
        123
        
        +5
        
        4 August 2020 23: 18
        
        Kryzhopol, translated as City of God
        
        True? The Internet suggests that the Polish name Krzyżopol - "Kryzhopol" - "city of the cross" (Polish Krzyż - "cross", "pol" from the Greek πόλις - "city")
        But you, as always, have a parallel reality. You do not know the origin of the name, so you also distort the word itself.
        In your version, surely Kree is a god, asshole is a city? The second part very accurately reflects reality, that's what kind of god you have, it's unclear.
        
        Oleg Shlyapin
        
        0
        
        5 August 2020 13: 33
        
        No, I don't have a parallel reality. Adequacy check.
        
        Alexey Semenenko
        
        -3
        
        7 August 2020 00: 01
        
        The procedure for renouncing Ukrainian citizenship is determined by the laws of Ukraine, which is primary. The rest is nonsense.
        
        Dear sofa expert.
        
        +7
        
        4 August 2020 16: 41
        
        If, living in the Ukrainian Crimea and in the Ukrainian Donbass, a person burned (as an option tore it, threw it away, etc.) the passport of Ukraine and not in the manner prescribed by Ukrainian legislation Illegally received a Russian passport in the occupied Crimea or Donbass, then such a person has not ceased to be a citizen of Ukraine ...
        
        Oh no no no. Why don't you know your own laws?)
        
        Here you go:
        
        The Law of Ukraine "On Citizenship of Ukraine" (Article 19) establishes the grounds for the loss of Ukrainian citizenship. Such grounds are:
        
        1. voluntary acquisition of citizenship of another state by an adult citizen of Ukraine. All cases are considered voluntary when a citizen of Ukraine had to submit an application or petition for such acquisition in accordance with the procedure established by the national legislation of the state whose citizenship was acquired.
        
        https://ru.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Гражданство_Украины
        
        Wanderer039
        
        +7
        
        4 August 2020 21: 18
        
        The Ukrainian Crimea exists only in the drug ravings of the Banderaites, and the Ukrainian Donbass is also there. And if the Evil One hand over the citizens of the Russian Federation for destruction to Bandera, then in Rostov a gallows awaits him, and not a warm apartment, like at the rotten Yanukovych.
        
        Oleg Shlyapin
        
        -8
        
        4 August 2020 21: 47
        
        Stealing something doesn’t mean it’s yours. Well, then - why, if Crimea is "Russian", "Russian Post", "Russian Railways", "Sberbank of the Russian Federation" do not work there, "Visa" and "Mastercard" cards are not accepted?
        
        Wanderer039
        
        +5
        
        4 August 2020 21: 54
        
        Here you are, in 1954, Crimea was stolen from the RSFSR in violation of the Constitution of the USSR, but still it is not yours, but these private firms, state banks in Crimea operate.
        
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        Wanderer039
        
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        4 August 2020 22: 12
        
        By the way, I must disappoint you. In Crimea, Visa, Master Cards, Mir cards are accepted ... I just checked with a person who recently went on vacation to Crimea.
        
        Oleg Shlyapin
        
        -2
        
        5 August 2020 13: 36
        
        Russians have a "wonderful" trait - to believe in their own fairy tales.
        
        tagil
        
        +2
        
        5 August 2020 20: 40
        
        And what kind of storytellers you are, words cannot convey
        
        I still dream of seeing your humanitarian aid. When will you keep your promise?
        
        Oleg Shlyapin
        
        -2
        
        5 August 2020 21: 39
        
        Personally.
        Russians have a "wonderful" trait - to believe in their own fairy tales.
        
        Kuzmich Sibiryakov
        
        0
        
        5 August 2020 20: 35
        
        Quote: Oleg Shlyapin
        Stealing something doesn’t mean it’s yours. Well, then - why, if Crimea is "Russian", "Russian Post", "Russian Railways", "Sberbank of the Russian Federation" do not work there, "Visa" and "Mastercard" cards are not accepted?
        
        Trains do not run there either. Airplanes, everything only with the permission of the bloody pastor ... And on the bridge you can only secretly, crawling, at night.
        
        Kuzmich Sibiryakov
        
        +1
        
        5 August 2020 20: 37
        
        Quote: Oleg Shlyapin
        Stealing something doesn't mean it's yours
        
        Wonderfully learned. The school of the nazbatan is immediately visible. Why steal when you can just take it? How much did you take out of the LPNR?
        
        Kuzmich Sibiryakov
        
        +1
        
        5 August 2020 20: 39
        
        Quote: Wanderer039
        The Ukrainian Crimea exists only in the drug ravings of the Banderaites, and the Ukrainian Donbass is also there. And if the Evil One hand over the citizens of the Russian Federation for destruction to Bandera, then in Rostov a gallows awaits him, and not a warm apartment, like at the rotten Yanukovych.
        
        May he not reach Rostov. They will tear their own back in Minsk. Yanuca was saved by our little green men. Professionals. Why do we need this collective farmer?
    2. Alexey Semenenko
      
      -9
      
      4 August 2020 11: 34
      
      Detained under the article of the Criminal Code "Terrorism".
      1. 123
        
        +4
        
        4 August 2020 11: 59
        
        Detained under the article of the Criminal Code "Terrorism".
        
        Did you get the news from Kryzhopol?
        
        Alexey Semenenko
        
        -11
        
        4 August 2020 12: 50
        
        Investigative Committee of the Republic of Belarus.
        
        123
        
        +7
        
        4 August 2020 13: 03
        
        Investigative Committee of the Republic of Belarus.
        
        Are you saying they were charged with terrorism? The statement is pretty serious to take its word for it. Be so kind as to link to the information of the IC RB or steam your brains in your Kryzhopol.
        
        Alexey Semenenko
        
        -11
        
        4 August 2020 13: 04
        
        The poor have no servants.
        
        123
        
        +7
        
        4 August 2020 13: 09
        
        The poor have no servants.
        
        You have a very subtle sense of humor for a farmer. Greetings to the association of storytellers of Kryzhopol.
        
        Kuzmich Sibiryakov
        
        0
        
        5 August 2020 20: 31
        
        Quote: Alexey Semenenko
        The poor have no servants.
        
        Are you sho? So you have to do EVERYTHING yourself? (I won't list, I'm afraid the moderator's punishment).
        
        Oleg Shlyapin
        
        -9
        
        4 August 2020 13: 25
        
        EU of goats! They were charged with terrorism
        
        123
        
        +4
        
        4 August 2020 13: 28
        
        EU of goats! They were charged with terrorism
        
        I wonder how you will behave, give a link or start humor?
      2. Kuzmich Sibiryakov
        
        -1
        
        5 August 2020 20: 29
        
        Quote: Alexey Semenenko
        Detained under the article of the Criminal Code "Terrorism".
        
        Only a court can classify an article. The investigating authorities carry out investigative actions in accordance with the qualifications of the prosecution. And charges are brought against them when there is irrefutable evidence. While it is not possible to refute the fact that the men did not drink, did not take women, did not sing a song at night. Apparently, your collective farm chairman learned from people like you. Since you have no disagreements with him.
  2. Alexey Semenenko
    
    -7
    
    4 August 2020 11: 32
    
    In the Interpol request. Have you been informed? Oh no no no..
    1. Bakht
      
      +6
      
      4 August 2020 11: 33
      
      What are you talking about. Show me this Interpol request ...
      
      https://sputnik.by/incidents/20200731/1045315392/Istochnik-u-Belarusi-est-vse-osnovaniya-ne-vydavat-zaderzhannykh-rossiyan.html
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        Bakht
        
        +7
        
        4 August 2020 12: 14
        
        Will I get the link or not?
        
        Alexey Semenenko
        
        -10
        
        4 August 2020 12: 47
        
        To Shushenskoye.
  3. Alexey Semenenko
    
    -9
    
    4 August 2020 12: 55
    
    I will give you a hint. On the same, on which the referendum was held in the ARC.
    Do not thank.
    1. Bakht
      
      +11
      
      4 August 2020 13: 10
      
      In general, as always. Speculation without any facts. So be it, I will tell you. There are 68 requests from Ukraine on the Interpol website. There are no detainees in Minsk there.
      Congratulations, you lied.
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    2. Oleg Shlyapin
      
      -8
      
      4 August 2020 13: 16
      
      It is so
      1. 123
        
        +6
        
        4 August 2020 13: 48
        
        It is so
        
        I see you are brothers in arms? It's amazing, they lied, and after they poked you into this lie, they have fun like children. Svidomo agro-humor. Poor Ukraine, how it takes you out
        Hello Kryzhopol.
        
        Oleg Shlyapin
        
        -6
        
        4 August 2020 16: 46
        
        Why should we lie? Or be rude? What did the City of God do to you wrong?
        
        123
        
        +4
        
        4 August 2020 17: 00
        
        Why should we lie? Or be rude? What did the City of God do to you wrong?
        
        I do not know, apparently, you can't do it any other way. Are you talking about Kryzhopol? Painfully the name fits the situation.
        
        Oleg Shlyapin
        
        -8
        
        4 August 2020 17: 07
        
        We are not Russians, we don’t need it. How does the City of God approach the situation?
        
        123
        
        +3
        
        4 August 2020 17: 10
        
        You, svidomye, cannot do otherwise.
        The city does not suit anything, but the name, as a brand, is just that.
        
        Oleg Shlyapin
        
        -5
        
        4 August 2020 17: 22
        
        And "svidomye" is who? And how did the Christian city become a brand for your absurdity?
        
        123
        
        +3
        
        4 August 2020 17: 24
        
        And "svidomye" is who? And how did the Christian city become a brand for your absurdity?
        
        It is you and your like-minded people who have turned the country into an absurdity.
        
        Oleg Shlyapin
        
        -6
        
        4 August 2020 21: 49
        
        1. Again - who are "svidomye"?
        2. Not from your leper colony to judge what we "turned" the country into. One example - we have "New mail". You won't have this in 10 years. And this is just one example.
        
        123
        
        0
        
        4 August 2020 23: 22
        
        1. Again - who are "svidomye"?
        
        Look in the mirror, if you have one.
        
        It is not from your leper colony to judge what we have "turned" the country into. One example - we have "New mail". You won't have this in 10 years. And that's just one example.
        
        Have you fixed the pigeon?
        
        Oleg Shlyapin
        
        -2
        
        5 August 2020 00: 03
        
        And what is there in the mirror?
        No, not a pigeon one. But you will not have this for 10 years yet. And then it won't be at all
        
        123
        
        -1
        
        5 August 2020 00: 23
        
        No, not a pigeon one. But you will not have this for 10 years yet. And then it won't be at all
        
        What will not happen? Mail? Do you want me to go to the Internet to look for the fact that Ukraine now has mail?
        
        Alexey Semenenko
        
        -3
        
        7 August 2020 00: 10
        
        For him to be conscious, it is an insult. And independent is generally a crime.
        
        A.Lex
        
        +4
        
        4 August 2020 21: 44
        
        123, what the Yankees tell them - that they are! If they tell this bloomer to make friends with the Russians, he will change his clothes in the air without batting an eye ...
        
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        A.Lex
        
        +1
        
        4 August 2020 22: 08
        
        Once you've already done something like that - you gave up the brain ... We don't need that. We already feel good. Because - you go on, go on, maybe give us something else! But there will be no return (as with the Crimea) - science, apparently, did not suit you for the future, you will continue to study, losing territory.
        
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2. Kuzmich Sibiryakov
  
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  5 August 2020 20: 25
  
  Quote: Alexey Semenenko
  The demand for the extradition of international criminals, is it interference in the elections?
  And sending a group of terrorists right before the elections is, of course, NOT interference.
  
  Well, if LUKA HIMSELF classified them as terrorists, and at the moment of their arrest, then, of course, no common sense can do anything about it.
beeper

+2

4 August 2020 11: 25

AHL has long been just a doll in the hands of the pro-Western lobby of the Belarusian government! IMHO
He is a signboard - "allied face", under which Russia for decades has multibillion-dollar (at the expense of Russian taxpayers) supported subsidized "Belarusian socialism", feeding to such an extent that Belarusian "zmagars" and other "Internet users" are brazenly fooling around Russians about their "more a higher standard of living than in the RF ".
In the absence of control over the reciprocal fulfillment of allied obligations, with the clear skimping of the AHL and his retinue, such free "feeding" of the Russophobic "Neolitvinic" regime drifting to the West was the same strategic mistake as the multi-billion dollar subsidization of the "Ukrainian" nouveau riches, in the same way, for "fraternal" Russian money, building their Russophobic "AntiRussia" (well, yes, for many years coquettishly "hiding" under the guise of "Ukraine is not Russia!") "!
Exactly the same "Ukrainian (Armenian, ....) rake" befell the "kind" generous Kremlin and with the mustachioed "Russian with a quality mark"!
Instead of envy (and a natural desire to join progress - "to join a promising process") to the breakaway "independent", to comprehensively develop the Russian Federation, to significantly raise their own economy and living standards, incomes, their citizens, and from "pro-Russian brothers "in a family-like manner, strictly ask for manifestations (after all, Russophobia and anti-Russianism in them began with something small - with small, tentative plots and provocative" statements ", and impudence and open hostile actions appeared with cowardly Russian connivance in the form of ridiculous" concerns "! ) non-brotherly behavior, the Russian authorities forgave fraternally (China gives out only "tied loans", in the interests of the Chinese economy and Chinese workers, it does not forgive anyone's debts and delays in payments, and that is why the "bam" he does not allow himself negative public "statements" against China and the Chinese authorities, does not "gush out the offended in indignation "and not even a word reproaches for the Chinese harshness and intransigence!) debts and contained the" neighbor "ameroholui klepto-bourgeoisie, which in recent years generally openly went into anti-Russian confrontation ?!
Now there is nothing to fidget about - after all, with this provocative seizure of Russian citizens, who openly fled to the West, the Belarusian authorities marked their Rubicon with Russia and tried to prevent any encroachments of Russian "polite people" if the Kremlin would nevertheless decide to intervene in the post-election pro-American "perturbations" in Minsk and Belarus.

"Lessons from Crimea" (which, back in 2014, clearly frightened the AHL, which had long been anti-Russian "drifting" to the West against the will and aspirations of the pro-Russian majority of the Belarusian population, but, just like the "uncontested European integrators", who did not want to lose at the same time, the huge Russian "aid" and Russian sales markets for their products) were taken into account by local American slaves and their overseas curators, and the Russian authorities are unlikely to be able to "win back" their big blunder in the near future (and this is after a similar failure in Ukraine and in Armenia ?!) in the Belarusian direction!

Although, maybe this time, the "cunning" Vladimir Putin will pleasantly surprise us all (if Putin's entourage realizes that in all respects it is more profitable and expedient for them to be on the side of their President and Russia, and not on the side of their "Swiss ( and others) bins ", because no matter how hard they try to become" their own "in the West, they will always be there" second class "with" dubious capital "...) ??!
1. A.Lex
  
  +4
  
  4 August 2020 21: 52
  
  In general, pishak, let's make a brief summary - the all-forgiving policy of the Russian leadership has more than once led to BIG failures in foreign policy and to BIG financial losses. Almost the entire policy of the modern Russian Federation is a series of blunders and punctures, which were predictable IN ADVANCE, because the pro-Western liberal part of the leadership of the Russian Federation did EVERYTHING to please their masters (who are certainly not located in the Kremlin) - this is all politics on the territory of the former USSR. We still talk about the annoying gum about "BROTHERLY RELATIONSHIP". Although these "brothers" chuckle aside, sucking out finances, energy capacities from Russia, using transport and pipeline capacities of Russia ... in general, they do business in Russia, forgetting to repay debts and share allied responsibility ... Here are just their own problems they do not forget to transfer to the Russian Federation - they shake off their surplus population for us (along the way, again, earning with their help for their "bread and butter").
  EVERYONE SHOULD BE PUT IN THE STAY ... But, first of all, I HAVE AN ORDER TO GO !!!
Oleg Shlyapin

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4 August 2020 13: 07

Ukraine began to actively interfere in the elections on the territory of Belarus. Kiev demands from Minsk to hand over “mercenaries who fought in Donbass”.

And what is the "interference" in the elections in Belarus? Yes, Ukraine demands the extradition of mercenaries, some of whom are citizens of Ukraine.
1. A.Lex
  
  +2
  
  4 August 2020 22: 03
  
  Let us remind you again:
  
  Voluntary acquisition of citizenship of another state by an adult citizen of Ukraine establishes the grounds for the loss of citizenship of Ukraine.
  
  Learn your own laws or you look stupid.
  Although what I mean. Looking stupid is a characteristic feature of the modern "professional Ukrainian". As well as constant lies with and without ..
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  2. Alexey Semenenko
    
    -4
    
    7 August 2020 00: 12
    
    Is it weak to read the law to the end?
    1. A.Lex
      
      +1
      
      8 August 2020 19: 01
      
      Come on, come on, keep dodging further. After all, lying is a national trait of a "professional Ukrainian" (I have to repeat myself).
      Proving your lies to us is your prerogative, and ours is not to believe you and laugh at your antics (we studied you so well for coexistence in single states - Russia, RI, USSR) ... And you keep proving - you are so funny !!!
      1. Alexey Semenenko
        
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        9 August 2020 13: 21
        
        You and Russia? ))))
        Russia, with its capital in Kiev, was a power three hundred years before the first dugout on the site of present-day Muscovy ... cut the sturgeon ...
        
        A.Lex
        
        +1
        
        10 August 2020 16: 50
        
        Yes, we are the DIRECT heirs of Russia! And you, only, turned into "Ivanov who do not remember kinship" - a snake that eats itself from the tail.
        And the fact that Kiev was earlier than Moscow does not speak AT ALL ABOUT ANYTHING! Many cities were not in those days on the territory that BELONGS to Russia TODAY - the Russian people (in collaboration with the rest of the peoples inhabiting our homeland) CREATED most of them.
        And about the sturgeon ... do you remember WHO and WHEN bought your Kiev from the Poles? Do you want to return it back? And what a shameful price it was - 146 thousand!
Sergey Latyshev

+1

4 August 2020 16: 01

And, these political scientists were divorced like uncut dogs. In order not to do, just not to work ...

And the media are happy - now they have a job to discuss all this ...
Oleg Shlyapin

-6

4 August 2020 16: 47

Quote: Sergey Latyshev
And, these political scientists were bred like uncut dogs.
In order not to do, just not to work ...

And the media are happy - now they have a job to discuss all this ...

Well, go and work. What is the problem?
1. Wanderer039
  
  +3
  
  4 August 2020 21: 25
  
  Go to the military registration and enlistment office already with your Russophobia, stop wasting your tongue in vain, or are you a disabled person from childhood and youth ?!
  1. Oleg Shlyapin
    
    -3
    
    4 August 2020 21: 51
    
    I've been there several times already.
    1. Wanderer039
      
      +3
      
      4 August 2020 22: 00
      
      I was there several times too, sorry we didn't meet there. And then what have you forgotten ?! Did he come to re-educate us? Don't you think this is funny ?!
      1. Oleg Shlyapin
        
        -3
        
        5 August 2020 00: 04
        
        And what are they doing at the military registration and enlistment office? I'm not a psychiatrist to reeducate you
        
        Sapsan136
        
        +2
        
        5 August 2020 09: 50
        
        Go to the trenches to die. Go there, do not show off here. You will not change our opinion of people like you. We don't give a damn about your whining.
    2. 123
      
      +2
      
      7 August 2020 00: 12
      
      I've been there several times already.
      
      Did you deign to collect trophies from home?
Oleg Shlyapin

-6

4 August 2020 16: 51

Quote: Dear couch expert.
If, living in the Ukrainian Crimea and in the Ukrainian Donbass, a person burned (as an option tore it, threw it away, etc.) the passport of Ukraine and not in the manner prescribed by Ukrainian legislation Illegally received a Russian passport in the occupied Crimea or Donbass, then such a person has not ceased to be a citizen of Ukraine ...

Oh no no no. Why don't you know your own laws?)

Here you go:

The Law of Ukraine "On Citizenship of Ukraine" (Article 19) establishes the grounds for the loss of Ukrainian citizenship. Such grounds are:

1. voluntary acquisition of citizenship of another state by an adult citizen of Ukraine. All cases are considered voluntary when a citizen of Ukraine had to submit an application or petition for such acquisition in accordance with the procedure established by the national legislation of the state whose citizenship was acquired.

https://ru.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Гражданство_Украины

Where did they apply - in the Rostov region or in the temporarily occupied Crimea and ORLDO?
1. Dear sofa expert.
  
  0
  
  5 August 2020 00: 59
  
  Where did they apply - in the Rostov region or in the temporarily occupied Crimea and ORLDO
  
  Who cares? They may have been sent by "new mail"))
  1. Oleg Shlyapin
    
    -1
    
    5 August 2020 08: 19
    
    Big difference. Not everyone lives by the principle - taiga-law and prosecutor-bear.
    1. Dear sofa expert.
      
      -1
      
      5 August 2020 08: 43
      
      Yeah, they live, and they don't prepare for the land, like some)
2. 123
  
  +1
  
  7 August 2020 00: 18
  
  Where did they apply - in the Rostov region or in the temporarily occupied Crimea and ORLDO?
  
  It doesn't matter where they turned, it matters where they got it. Inhabitants of Crimea receive at home, because it is Russia, Donetsk and Lugansk receive in the Rostov region. Residents of the territories occupied by Ukrainian punishers submit applications to the LPR and DPR.
BoBot Robot - Free Thinking Machine

+3

4 August 2020 18: 47

We will chop off the Vitebsk, Mogilev and Gomel regions from them, drown the nuclear power plant, and let dad LuLuLu go to Europe naked!
1. Oleg Shlyapin
  
  -6
  
  4 August 2020 21: 52
  
  Well, yes, you can. It will become of you. Such gopniks as the Russian Federation still need to look.
  1. BoBot Robot - Free Thinking Machine
    
    -1
    
    5 August 2020 11: 22
    
    As soon as we can, as soon as it becomes, no need to look - the gopnik themselves!
igor.igorev

-1

4 August 2020 23: 32

Why would Russia invade Belarus? To start feeding and washing cows that are belly up to their belly in shit? Let them live as they want. They will ride with ukrami.
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2. Oleg Shlyapin
  
  -3
  
  5 August 2020 00: 00
  
  By the way, why did you invade Crimea and Donbass?
  1. Dear sofa expert.
    
    +3
    
    5 August 2020 01: 06
    
    By the way, why did you invade Crimea and Donbass?
    
    What do you mean intruded? These are Russian lands. This means that the Russians have always lived there. And now they live. Well, how could it be otherwise? Who fought with the Turks for the Crimea? Who built Donetsk and Lugansk?
    1. Oleg Shlyapin
      
      -2
      
      5 August 2020 08: 17
      
      That means they invaded. These are not "Russian lands" and never were. Such lands do not exist in nature. And what does it have to do with who fought, who founded? Donetsk was founded by the British. And who founded Moscow, Yaroslavl, Rostov, Penza?
      1. Dear sofa expert.
        
        +2
        
        5 August 2020 08: 25
        
        And who founded Moscow, Yaroslavl, Rostov, Penza?
        
        Well, judging by your logic, probably the British too).
      2. Dear sofa expert.
        
        +2
        
        5 August 2020 08: 36
        
        In general, Pan Shlyapin (sounds funny, right?), I advise you to pick up the original map of the 19th century and try to find your Ukraine on it. You won't even find Ukrainian names of settlements on it.
        The same applies to most of today's Poland, Finland, Belarus, and the so-called "Baltic countries".
        It's all Muscovy. And they lived there - Russians: Ivanovs, Petrovs, Sidorovs, well, and all sorts of Shlyapins (who do not remember their kinship today).
        
        Oleg Shlyapin
        
        -2
        
        5 August 2020 08: 40
        
        I have no desire to prove anything to an uneducated, biased person with an imperial complex. What will you personally think about all this. Including - Ukraine, I'm not interested.
        
        Sapsan136
        
        +3
        
        5 August 2020 09: 52
        
        And why did you climb into Odessa, if the city was built by decree of the Russian tsar on the lands conquered by Russia from Turkey, and your ukroarians in Polish Lviv in 1939 were not allowed into trams, they disdained.
        
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    2. Alexey Semenenko
      
      -2
      
      7 August 2020 00: 15
      
      Donetsk-Yuzovka, founded and built by l Yuz.
  2. BoBot Robot - Free Thinking Machine
    
    -1
    
    5 August 2020 11: 23
    
    SO - NECESSARY! It is necessary, trshch, period!
  3. igor.igorev
    
    0
    
    5 August 2020 18: 52
    
    And who invaded Crimea? Russia there legally could have a military contingent of 20 thousand people. In fact, there were no more than 15 thousand of them. So, Russia did not invade there in any way, it was there initially with the consent of Ukraine.
    And in Donbass, even the EU and the United States failed to find a single Russian soldier. It was only a drunken Petyunya who shook the covers of Russian passports.
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  4. 123
    
    +1
    
    7 August 2020 00: 21
    
    By the way, why did you invade Crimea and Donbass?
    
    Let's first figure out why you made a coup? Then everything will become much clearer, who invaded where and whether it invaded at all.
    1. igor.igorev
      
      0
      
      10 August 2020 08: 57
      
      Who exactly did WE make the coup? Have at least one Russian official or other person been seen in Crimea? The people themselves got tired of Ukraine and decided to return home to Russia. We only satisfied the desire of the Crimeans to join Russia.
      1. 123
        
        +1
        
        10 August 2020 11: 32
        
        Who exactly did WE make the coup? Have at least one Russian official or other person been seen in Crimea? The people themselves got tired of Ukraine and decided to return home to Russia. We only satisfied the desire of the Crimeans to join Russia.
        
        What kind of coup are you talking about? Was there a coup in Crimea?
        
        igor.igorev
        
        0
        
        11 August 2020 14: 49
        
        Yes, it's not me who speaks, but the one to whom I answered.
        
        123
        
        0
        
        11 August 2020 15: 52
        
        Yes, it's not me who speaks, but the one to whom I answered.
        
        I beg your pardon, it is not always clear to whom this is written.
Oleg Shlyapin

-1

5 August 2020 08: 14

Quote: 123
What will not happen? Mail? Do you want me to go to the Internet to look for the fact that Ukraine now has mail?

Am I really that bad at writing in Russian? You will not have an analogue of "New mail". You don't even know what it is.
1. 123
  
  +1
  
  7 August 2020 00: 23
  
  Am I really that bad at writing in Russian? You will not have an analogue of "New mail". You don't even understand what it is
  
  New plate not old mail?
Oleg Shlyapin

-2

5 August 2020 13: 37

Quote: 123
No, not a pigeon one. But you will not have this for 10 years yet. And then it won't be at all

What will not happen? Mail? Do you want me to go to the Internet to look for the fact that Ukraine now has mail?

I do not want anything.
1. Valentine
  
  0
  
  5 August 2020 16: 44
  
  Answer me, Oleg, to this question, if it does not bother you - why, according to the Federal Migration Service, almost 4 million of your fellow citizens are now working as guest workers in Russia to feed their families, while you have no Russians to work?
  1. Oleg Shlyapin
    
    -3
    
    5 August 2020 17: 03
    
    Ask your UFSM
    1. Valentine
      
      0
      
      5 August 2020 17: 19
      
      ?!?!?!?!?!?!
      1. Oleg Shlyapin
        
        -2
        
        5 August 2020 17: 22
        
        I'm not interested in what your news is about us. They can write that all 40 million Ukrainians rushed to you. Or about the Nazis what garbage. Or about submarines for the mosquito fleet. All this is not interesting and boring to me.
        
        Valentine
        
        0
        
        5 August 2020 18: 29
        
        Yes, my friend, you are no longer interested in anything, and the fact that you are no longer 40 million, but only 32 million are left.
        
        Oleg Shlyapin
        
        -2
        
        5 August 2020 19: 49
        
        What, everyone else left for Russia?
  2. Alexey Semenenko
    
    -3
    
    7 August 2020 00: 19
    
    Of the four, three are from Donbass, and one is from Crimea.
    There are no Russians, because for them to work and earn money is "zapadlo".
    Yes, and lazy.
    1. Sapsan136
      
      +2
      
      8 August 2020 20: 17
      
      What is Ukraine in such a deep priest with such hard workers as you, huh ?! Ukraine and in the USSR was a subsidized region, so there is no talk about how you work. DILL a bummer still.
      1. Alexey Semenenko
        
        -2
        
        9 August 2020 13: 41
        
        Well, you're a hard worker, right? firing front ...
        So far, mind you, investments are going to Ukraine. The IMF is well-disposed, the forecasts are quite good. Not worse than many European countries. People do not die of hunger, and well-being is slowly growing, which you, from Magadan, cannot see.
        Was it subsidized? Well, rejoice, removed from the neck, now you will heal. You don't even need to sell gas for next to nothing, keep it for yourself .... well, about your ass ... call me, you are looking in the mirror, and there is NOT Ukraine.
        We, you see, regularly read and watch your media, and there the deep people cuts the truth without salt. So, about your "welfare", we know perfectly well, from your own words.
        And you know, it's not a pity.
        
        Sapsan136
        
        +1
        
        9 August 2020 19: 16
        
        To destroy Bandera and Basmachi is a sacred cause, these are not people, but animals, worse than mad dogs. Forecasts are false, and your country is in the fifth point of Obama's Bardak, and it will remain there!
        
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2. 123
  
  +1
  
  7 August 2020 00: 24
  
  I do not want anything.
  
  Then why are you writing any nonsense?
ronis.vladronis

-1

5 August 2020 18: 52

If we have a military base in Belarus, why else would we send troops. Only support the elections so that they pass without incidents. Pravosekov and nationalists wet.
1. Oleg Shlyapin
  
  -2
  
  5 August 2020 19: 48
  
  And on what basis will you support something and kill someone there?
  1. Sapsan136
    
    +3
    
    5 August 2020 21: 47
    
    Based on the fact that Russia will destroy everything that is a threat to its national security. If you were in the place of the Russian Federation and the United States, today you would be sitting in the basement of a burnt-out house and gnawing on crackers, and you would not go over our ears here. By the way, you did not answer the question of our friend - For what purpose did you come to this site with your Banderaism and Russophobia, what are you trying to achieve ?!
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1. Valentine
  
  +1
  
  6 August 2020 10: 37
  
  Quote: Oleg Shlyapin
  I'm just an engineer
  
  Strange, but the outlook of a five-year-old child.
2. Sapsan136
  
  +2
  
  6 August 2020 11: 36
  
  Taking into account the fact that in your country the entire industry was destroyed, and what came from you to Russia, in the old days, for the joint production of An-148 was 50% or more defective. You are not an engineer, you are a bungler and a windbag. As for medicine, it is not Bandera lackeys to write about my health. I undergo a medical examination on a regular basis, we are strictly with this. I have an award weapon for shooting people like you, Bandera bandits in the Caucasus.
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Oleg Shlyapin

-3

5 August 2020 23: 29

Quote: Dear couch expert.
In general, Pan Shlyapin (sounds funny, right?), I advise you to pick up the original map of the 19th century and try to find your Ukraine on it. You won't even find Ukrainian names of settlements on it.
The same applies to most of today's Poland, Finland, Belarus, and the so-called "Baltic countries".
It's all Muscovy. And they lived there - Russians: Ivanovs, Petrovs, Sidorovs, well, and all sorts of Shlyapins (who do not remember their kinship today).

In general, the word pan when referring to a person is applied not to the surname, but to the name - Oleg, but about someone - Pan Shlyapin, etc. Regarding the maps - you can see the map of 1648 by Guillaume de Beauplan, it is in Paris, and on it is Ukraine. But there is no country with the name Russia on it, because it appeared only 73 years later, and what was in its place paid tribute to the Crimean Khanate. You can find in the internet coins of Vladimir the Great and Yaroslav the Wise with the Trident, while in the place of Moscow there were still forests and swamps. You can find silver thalers of the Kiev rulers Olgerdovich and tenge with a two-headed eagle, which you paid tribute to the Horde in the same period. As for Ukrainian names, for example, the same Chernigov. The name comes from the Ukrainian word chenets - monk. And this is not the only name. Russians lived in Ukraine, Poland, the Baltic countries, Finland only after they occupied these countries and tried to colonize them. But everything turned out to be in vain - they are still ears from your under-empire. Regarding the "Russians" Ivanov, Petrov, etc., these names, specifically, and many others came to you from other languages. And not only names - Russia. Volga. Dnieper. Ural. Siberia, cabbage soup, balalaika, hut, tsar, prince, Ivan, Peter, Maria, Anna, Nikolai, a ducat, fifty dollars, money and much, much more, "Russian" never existed. As well as your "Russian" language invented by Peter 1 in 1708-1710 with its "Cyrillic". And the surnames themselves appeared only after the capture of a part of Poland in 1771. They were invented by Senator Derzhavin, if I am not mistaken, in 1778. Before that, no "Ivanovs", "Petrovs" "Sidorovs" existed at all.
1. Dear sofa expert.
  
  0
  
  6 August 2020 18: 50
  
  In general, the word pan when referring to a person is applied not to the surname, but to the name - pan Oleg.
  
  When you go to Poland to pick strawberries again, try to name a Pole there by his name with the prefix pan. )
  
  Regarding the maps, you can see the map of 1648 by Guillaume de Beauplan, it is in Paris, and it has Ukraine.
  
  Oo! Did you go to Paris to pick strawberries?))
  1. Alexey Semenenko
    
    -3
    
    7 August 2020 00: 25
    
    Not. We went to look for Russia, on old maps.
    Not found. ((((
2. Alexey Semenenko
  
  -3
  
  7 August 2020 00: 23
  
  About the map of the 17th century, removed from the language.))))
3. 123
  
  +1
  
  7 August 2020 00: 33
  
  About the Polish map, where they indicated Ukraine as their province, it's funny to listen to, like other Svidomo folklore of the proto-ukrov. I'm surprised they didn't tell how they dug the Black Sea.
Oleg Shlyapin

-3

5 August 2020 23: 46

Quote: Sapsan136
Based on the fact that Russia will destroy everything that is a threat to its national security. If you were in the place of the Russian Federation and the United States, today you would be sitting in the basement of a burnt-out house and gnawing on crackers, and you would not go over our ears here. By the way, you did not answer the question of our friend - For what purpose did you come to this site with your Banderaism and Russophobia, what are you trying to achieve ?!

By the way. The question is to fill in - if someone considers that Russia is a threat to his national interests, he can destroy Russia? No, well, just wondering.
1. Sapsan136
  
  +4
  
  6 August 2020 11: 40
  
  Your masters have been trying to destroy Russia for more than one hundred years, and to everyone who came to us, we pulled out their legs and arms and inserted all this into their mouths and ass. So you are welcome. Only in my area there are German, Romanian, Italian and Hungarian cemeteries. If you poke your head around, there will be Bandera and American ones, for a penny. Greetings from the Russian special forces.
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2. Alexey Semenenko
  
  -2
  
  7 August 2020 00: 25
  
  "and what are we for?" (((((
Oleg Shlyapin

-4

6 August 2020 11: 52

Quote: Sapsan136
Taking into account the fact that in your country the entire industry was destroyed, and what came from you to Russia, in the old days, for the joint production of An-148 was 50% or more defective. You are not an engineer, you are a bungler and a windbag. As for medicine, it is not Bandera lackeys to write about my health. I undergo a medical examination on a regular basis, we are strictly with this. I have an award weapon for shooting people like you, Bandera bandits in the Caucasus.

No, they didn't. In the internet there is information on new enterprises built in the past decade. For example "Dneprostal" or Eurocar. You can forget about the "marriage" for An-148 - nothing else will come to you.
1. Sapsan136
  
  +3
  
  6 August 2020 12: 37
  
  And thank God, without your bunglers it is both easier and better, but you already have nothing and will have nothing.
  1. Oleg Shlyapin
    
    -4
    
    6 August 2020 15: 59
    
    Yes, just fine.
Oleg Shlyapin

-3

6 August 2020 16: 57

President of Belarus Alexander Lukashenko has assured that he will give the green light to extradite to Ukraine the militants of the Russian private military company Wagner, who fought in the Donbas, who were detained in his country.

This was stated to Radio Liberty by journalist Dmitry Gordon, who interviewed the Belarusian president. According to him, Lukashenka made such a promise to President of Ukraine Volodymyr Zelensky.

“He said that Zelensky asked him to transfer to Ukraine those who took part in the hostilities in Donbass against Ukraine, including Ukrainians. He said that the green light would be given to the prosecutor’s office and other law enforcement agencies of Belarus, which, in accordance with Belarusian legislation, would make everything you need to transfer criminals to both Russia and Ukraine, "Gordon said.

As OBOZREVATEL reported, President of Ukraine Volodymyr Zelensky, during a telephone conversation with his Belarusian counterpart, asked to extradite the detained Wagnerites who took part in the war in Donbass.

Recall that Alexander Lukashenko gave a long interview to Dmitry Gordon, in which he spoke about the Wagnerites, his rival Tikhanovskaya and the upcoming presidential elections.

https://www.obozrevatel.com/politics/lukashenko-soglasen-vyidat-vagnerovtsev-voevavshih-na-donbasse-gordon.htm