In Ukraine, they told why you should not be afraid of Russian analogues of the Mistrals


On July 20, 2020, Russian President Vladimir Putin took part in the simultaneous laying ceremony for a pair of nuclear submarines and four large surface ships. Two ships are "analogues" of the French helicopter carriers "Mistral", but Ukraine should not be afraid of them, writes the Ukrainian edition "Apostrophe".


The publication notes that the "master of the Kremlin", being at the "Zaliv" enterprise in Kerch (Crimea), was present at the start of construction of two UDC project 23900 "Priboi" - "Ivan Rogov" and "Mitrofan Moskalenko". At the same time, Putin supervised the laying of ships in several other places by videoconference. In Severodvinsk there are two Project 885M Yasen-M multipurpose nuclear submarines - Voronezh and Vladivostok, and in St. Petersburg - two Project 22350 frigates - Admiral Yumashev and Admiral Spiridonov.

Moscow needs UDCs to ensure a long-term presence in remote areas of the world's oceans. They are full-fledged floating bases and should appear at the disposal of the Russian Navy in 2027. The project itself "on paper" surpasses the French "Mistrals" in all respects. However, the developer, who has never designed such large ships, raises questions, so whether he will cope with the task is unknown. We are talking about Zelenodolsk PKB, which is part of the Ak Bars holding, as well as the Kerch Zaliv plant. In any case, Russian UDCs will not be able to compete even with outdated American counterparts such as the Wasp, not to mention the new ones, such as America, Ukraine is sure.

For Kiev, Russian UDCs could pose a threat if they entered service in the near future. The Ukrainian Navy is weak, but in 2021, the anti-ship missile "Neptune" will appear in service with the Ukrainian military in large quantities. Therefore, the appearance of Russian UDCs near the Ukrainian shores is a mid-term challenge. It is not known whether they will be built at all, whose Crimea will be in 2027, and whether the "Putin regime" will remain in Russia by that time. But now Moscow has shown the world that it is "dangerous for its neighbors" and is not going to give Crimea under any circumstances, the newspaper concluded.
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  1. 123 Offline 123
    123 (123) 1 August 2020 20: 29
    +2
    Well, yes, yes .... UDC is the only way to get to the island of Ukraine. winked
  2. Magog Offline Magog
    Magog (Gog Magog) 1 August 2020 21: 00
    +1
    What does it mean: will not be able to compete with the outdated Osa-type UDCs? And what does "obsolete" mean? They cope with the tasks, in the ranks, which means they are quite modern. As can be understood from the publications, our ships are very close in all basic design parameters to the new series of American UDCs of the "America" ​​type (for example, it is possible to have landing boats on board, which is not on the Wasps). The displacement is also similar to both series. How to "compete"? Versatility? Here we can only point out the absence of a deck-based aircraft VVP. I think we will soon hear about our readiness to revive the Yak-141 project. It only remains to find out exactly for what tasks this ship of ours will be useful? I believe the amphibious landing will be the last on this list ...
  3. Alexey Semenenko (Alexey Semenenko) 1 August 2020 22: 16
    -8
    It will be with these two, as with the last three pr. 11356.
    1. Magog Offline Magog
      Magog (Gog Magog) 2 August 2020 11: 35
      +1
      Obviously off-topic, but what's wrong with these? You don't have to answer.
      1. Alexey Semenenko (Alexey Semenenko) 2 August 2020 17: 10
        -1
        This topic is about shipbuilding in the Russian Federation. Project 11356, these are new ships. Surely off topic?
        Google and find it.
        1. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
          Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 3 August 2020 08: 52
          +1
          11356 did not finish building, because they brought to mind more powerful 22350. Google will help you.
          1. Alexey Semenenko (Alexey Semenenko) 3 August 2020 13: 07
            -2
            Exactly? 22350, these are completely different ships.
            And where did you sell the unfinished troika 11356? Or - on pins and needles?
            You are famously changing your shoes, I envy ...
            1. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
              Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 3 August 2020 13: 27
              +3
              22350 and 11356 are ships of the same rank, these are frigates, just 22350 is slightly larger and twice as strong thanks to more modern combat systems and increased ammunition. By the way, you are not particularly happy. Instead of 3 frigates 11356, the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Federation will very soon receive 2 corvettes 20380 and 1 frigate 22350, they are already under construction and there is no doubt that they will be completed. This is your Volodymyr the Great and will rot away without seeing the sea, just as the unfinished cruiser Ukraine rotted at the pier. We are waiting for news that Ukraine sank right at the pier.
              1. Alexey Semenenko (Alexey Semenenko) 3 August 2020 18: 09
                -2
                Write this nonsense on the BMPD, and you will be showered with slippers. Wet .....
                So where did the three non-motorized troughs go?
                1. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
                  Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 3 August 2020 19: 24
                  +3
                  We already have motors and new frigates are better than 11356 too, and your plant, which produced engines, left without orders, was covered with something, it will cover your whole Ukraine.
                  1. Alexey Semenenko (Alexey Semenenko) 3 August 2020 21: 09
                    -2
                    This is not a factory. And not about your motors, which are not there yet.
                    Once again: where did the three unfinished buildings, the last in the series, go? If you have nothing to answer, admit that you are coming to flood.
                    1. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
                      Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 3 August 2020 21: 23
                      +3
                      We already have the motors, the third frigate 22350 will go out to sea completely under Russian engines, and the second went out to sea after major repairs and modernization of the rubbish that you sent instead of the engine, part of the engine on it is already Russian-made. For frigates 11356, other engines were intended, and it is impractical to make new engines for three ships obsolete for the Russian fleet.
                      1. Alexey Semenenko (Alexey Semenenko) 3 August 2020 21: 29
                        -2
                        So, do flood ...
                      2. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
                        Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 3 August 2020 21: 31
                        +2
                        As you already wrote, you would worry about your troughs. For example, the sails for Hetman Saiga Dachny were made ...
  • Dear sofa expert. 2 August 2020 00: 14
    +8
    The project itself "on paper" surpasses the French "Mistrals" in all respects. However, the developer, who has never designed such large ships, raises questions, so whether he will cope with the task is unknown.

    It is known to cope.
    After all, the Russian "developer" never fought the "Third Reich" as successfully as the French, but nevertheless managed. After all, the Russian "developer" has never built such high-quality spaceships as the French, but nevertheless he managed.

    In any case, the Russian UDC will not be able to compete even with the outdated American counterparts of the Wasp type, not to mention the new ones, such as America, Ukraine is sure.

    Should they compete? And even if, what does this have to do with Ukraine?)

    Ukrainian Navy is weak

    And that's it.

    Armament of the Ukrainian military will receive a large number of anti-ship missile "Neptune".

    Forgot to add: In a sufficiently large number.
  • Lawyer Offline Lawyer
    Lawyer (Olaf) 2 August 2020 04: 37
    -8
    They will build something, but only then they need to be maintained ...
    I am afraid that these ships, which should be called Pension Reform 1 and 2, will very quickly go to India in open-hearth furnaces.
    As if the country did not overstrain again, like thirty years ago.
    A Russian woman shouldn't be lifting such weights.
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      1. Lawyer Offline Lawyer
        Lawyer (Olaf) 2 August 2020 05: 59
        -9
        Well, name more elegant the previous attempt of the Motherland to build more tanks than NATO's.
        And if you succeed - I'll give you the first like and put it! It's just me who work with rough workers. Inevitably, you will pick up bad things. :(
        1. akarfoxhound Offline akarfoxhound
          akarfoxhound 2 August 2020 06: 35
          +4
          You gave an unsuccessful example for yourself.

          Russia has the most tanks in the world - their number is comparable to the total tank fleet of NATO, the American media write. The European countries participating in the alliance have 11 thousand tanks, the United States and Canada together - 18 thousand. The Russian Ground Forces have 22 thousand tanks of different classes at their disposal.

          The Russian Armed Forces have the largest number of tanks in the world. The American portal We Are Mighty draws attention to this fact with reference to the data of Global Firepower.

          The power of the Russian armored forces is comparable to the total number of tanks at the disposal of all NATO member states.

          At the same time, the Soviet Motherland riveted them to the collapse of the Union (according to various sources, and purely tanks without armored personnel carriers and other light armored vehicles) from 53 to 65 thousand, which is more than all countries of the world combined. I remember at the tactics school they said that our "armor" can go side to side from the Baltic to the Black Sea to the English Channel, without missing anything under the goose. A joke, of course, but not all. Will my "attempt" ever go down? wink

          If we refer to the French UDC, then the Mistrals were frank d .., this opinion is not mine, but the "pure" Moremans VMA them. Kuznetsova (St. Petersburg), when I was studying there at the aviation faculty. At the same time, Tolibasik Taburetkin was going to acquire this misunderstanding at the Pacific Fleet. The rollback was received by the "upper" ones, but the sailors did not know what to do with this misunderstanding. On the seas (not oceans), it could only walk only warm and only at full load, otherwise the excitement of this trough was very worried. lol Therefore, his purpose was vague - a ship of command and power projection. Yeah, projections, schaz ... We were really stupidly lucky with this French refusal trick, we obviously didn't count on it - to pay one and a half price (but what about kickbacks, where is Tolyan without them?) And return everything with a penalty.

          1. Lawyer Offline Lawyer
            Lawyer (Olaf) 2 August 2020 06: 49
            -8
            Well, did she really need these tanks? Maybe the living standards of the population have been raised unprecedentedly?
            In general, I am writing about something else - a country with the economy of the Burundi state should take the burden by itself, so as not to fall when walking. Otherwise, all these tanks are standing, rotting, but Russian paradise and capitalism have not been corrected. Again, the country is in a ring, we make hatches on the roadway for the partisans to maneuver between the ruins ... Cheto's only people are preparing to fall for their Motherland and a medal. Moreover, the situation is only getting worse - before, the soldiers did not expect how to get away from Afgan, but now they themselves go to all sorts of theaters of near and long-range defense of the borders.
            Although they can also be understood - have you seen a photo of the city of Omsk? Take a look. I looked and understood why they were ready for a bullet from there. So they are mostly out of business in Vienne Fairfax County.
            Then there would definitely be a massive suicide on the spot without travel costs.
            1. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
              Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 3 August 2020 08: 55
              +4
              Olaf, Russia kicked all European countries that tried to fight with it, and did not overstrain, so do not puff up your cheeks too much. Charles-12, Frederick the Great, Napoleon, Hitler were considered invincible until they came to Russia ...
          2. plabu Offline plabu
            plabu 2 August 2020 06: 52
            0
            The one to whom you answered - in the case, IMHO, in general, he does not know much about anything deeply, so his mistake about tanks is not surprising for some reason ...
            1. Magog Offline Magog
              Magog (Gog Magog) 2 August 2020 10: 47
              +3
              And what kind of "blooper" with tanks? I remember that Leonid Ilyich, at some congress, boasted about the presence of 60 thousand tanks. Much after that went around the world to help young independent Africans, etc. But a lot remained on conservation, the same "nazalezhniki" lived happily for thirty years, bargaining for Soviet armored legacy.
          3. Magog Offline Magog
            Magog (Gog Magog) 2 August 2020 11: 30
            +1
            where is Tolyan without them?

            You mean "Mendel Tolyanovich"? With these "Mistrals" he was really lucky: he managed to successfully push this unnecessary goods ARE-bam. Now they have a headache, and Mendel has a double rollback! As in the market at Aunt Sima's glorious city of Odessa! Our UDC will give work and technological experience to the long-suffering Zaliv at least for a while - at least for this it is worth trying.
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  • Oleg Shlyapin Offline Oleg Shlyapin
    Oleg Shlyapin (oleg shlyapin) 2 August 2020 23: 53
    -4
    I have always been touched by one trait in Russians - they will invent it themselves, they will lie themselves, they will ascribe their lies to those whom they choose as their victim for beating, then they themselves will be indignant and themselves angrily condemned. wink
  • Oleg Shlyapin Offline Oleg Shlyapin
    Oleg Shlyapin (oleg shlyapin) 2 August 2020 23: 56
    -5
    By the way, how about the passage of these "analogs" through the Bosphorus and the Dardanelles? Crimea was recognized as occupied. And everything that is exported from there is not allowed anywhere outside the Russian Federation. For example, Crimean wines. For the same reason, the Russian Federation cannot use 52 units of naval watercraft seized from Ukraine in Crimea for direct purposes. So, the navigation of these "analogues" will be limited to the Black Sea. They will also not be allowed to enter any port of the Black Sea. wink
    1. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
      Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 3 August 2020 08: 57
      +4
      It is not possible to use the floating crafts received by Ukraine from the USSR due to the fact that they are scrap metal, not ships, since Banderostan never repaired them and it was not affordable for Bandera Selyuk to keep the ships in proper condition.
      1. Oleg Shlyapin Offline Oleg Shlyapin
        Oleg Shlyapin (oleg shlyapin) 3 August 2020 14: 50
        -3
        I am stupid, boorish in nature comments, absolutely not interesting. I understand that there is nothing to answer. And all the attacks about "Bandera Selyuk" are due only to the fact that the Ukrainians have no desire to live with you in your ... Well, you yourself know where. wink
        1. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
          Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 3 August 2020 15: 05
          +3
          And your whining is not at all interesting to me. Channel to your own kind, to Censor.net, they will understand you there. And Ukraine is a girl of easy virtue, she swore allegiance to 8 countries and betrayed everyone!
        2. EVYN WIXH Offline EVYN WIXH
          EVYN WIXH (EVYN WIXH) 11 August 2020 14: 44
          +1
          I live in Crimea. As for the Selyuk, of course, there is an exaggeration, but in reality, during the time of Ukraine, some of the ships of the Navy were welded to the berths tightly, and this is true. So, a conclusion can be drawn about their condition. Well, I know for sure that now everyone is not very happy about what happened there. They were promised a lot, but it turned out, as in the Ukrainian proverb "Obitsyanka is a tsyatsyanka, but a bad radio operator".
  • VOTP -1 Offline VOTP -1
    VOTP -1 3 August 2020 13: 16
    +2
    Don't worry, Okraintsy ... The landing helicopter carriers will be launched on time .... Then their production in Kerch will continue ... And the primitive semblance of the Soviet subsonic X-35 anti-ship missile system - a certain "Neptune" - is a very easy target for a shipborne SAM .. ... Not to mention the fact that there will be effective electronic warfare means ...
    1. Oleg Shlyapin Offline Oleg Shlyapin
      Oleg Shlyapin (oleg shlyapin) 3 August 2020 14: 57
      -3
      We are not "Okraintsy", but Ukrainians. From the name of our country, which literally translates as "Country" and is known in Europe long before the appearance of "Russia". And we could not be the "outskirts" of your empire in any way, since our country appeared much earlier. This is so for general development. I doubt it will continue. For the same reason that the "Russian Post" and "Russian Railways" do not work in the temporarily occupied Crimea. And the Neptune rocket has nothing to do with the Kh-35. If only for the reason that we did not have their production. The only thing we had to do with it was that we helped the Russian Federation create the X-35 at one time, producing a number of components, which was carried out within the framework of the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons, which set out restrictions on the export of missile technologies to other countries. wink
      1. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
        Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 3 August 2020 15: 07
        +4
        The word "country" means a civilized society, and the level of Bandera members is lower than the level of the cannibals who ate Cook!
        1. Oleg Shlyapin Offline Oleg Shlyapin
          Oleg Shlyapin (oleg shlyapin) 3 August 2020 16: 30
          -4
          Are you a civilization? Well, learn to start on the internet to discuss above the level of gopota smile
          1. Vladimir Barulin (Vladimir) 3 August 2020 18: 51
            +1
            I will buy coins of the state of Ukraine of the XNUMXth century and earlier.
          2. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
            Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 3 August 2020 19: 51
            +4
            I have been saying for a long time that Russia and the Russians should treat you the same way you treat the Russians in your countries, so that the Bandera and Basmachis can feel all their savagery on their own skin. You can still launch a dozen Iskanders across Kiev, and then with a clever look say that these are not Iskanders, but air conditioners in Kiev explode! And what, kondishen is a dangerous thing, in the Donbass, out of the explosion of air conditioners, multi-entrance buildings collapsed ... Well, why something that might be in Donbass cannot be in Kiev or Lviv ?! am
      2. Igor Suslov Offline Igor Suslov
        Igor Suslov (Igor Suslov) 3 August 2020 18: 38
        +2
        And it is possible for development - list your rulers by years from your appearance, very interesting. smile
        1. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
          Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 3 August 2020 19: 53
          +3
          And they wrote down Polish princes and kings as Ukrainian rulers, keeping silent about the fact that they were still Polish rulers, and Ukraine was in vassal dependence on Poland. lol
        2. Oleg Shlyapin Offline Oleg Shlyapin
          Oleg Shlyapin (oleg shlyapin) 3 August 2020 20: 29
          -2
          In the internet there, look. This has nothing to do with the topic under discussion.
      3. EVYN WIXH Offline EVYN WIXH
        EVYN WIXH (EVYN WIXH) 11 August 2020 14: 48
        0
        Have you read the "New History of Ukraine"? In an educated society, even if you don’t disgrace yourself, they’ll just laugh, or else you’ll be thrown into a "fool".