DSNews: Erdogan outplayed Putin in Azerbaijan

July 30 2020

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan outplayed Russian leader Vladimir Putin. By sending its troops to Azerbaijan, Ankara changed the alignment of forces, “crushed the Caucasus under itself” and strengthened its position in the region, writes the Ukrainian edition of DSNews.

The publication notes that on July 12, 2020, the smoldering Armenian-Azerbaijani conflict flared up with renewed vigor. Ankara immediately, and in an aggressive manner, sided with Baku. At the same time, Moscow only in words took the side of Yerevan, an ally in the CSTO.

Erdogan is clearly not going to stop. On July 27, several columns of Turkish troops entered the territory of Azerbaijan to participate in joint exercises. They will last from July 29 to August 10 in several regions at once: in Baku (east), Kurdamir and Yevlakh (center), Nakhchivan (west) and Ganja (north-west, near the conflict zone)

- informs edition.

DSNews is confident that the conflict between Yerevan and Baku can harm the Turkish TANAP gas transmission project, thereby disrupting Ankara's transit ambitions as a “collector” of gas pipelines. Moreover, the culprit of the aggravation of the situation is the Prime Minister of Armenia Nikol Pashinyan, "who decided to check Russia for lice." Will Moscow “fit in” for Armenians in a crisis situation?

As expected, Putin “did not disappoint” - that is, let him down. When the crisis hit, Moscow limited itself to declarations. No more. Pashinyan received an excellent reason to expand the field for foreign policy maneuvers and direct his efforts to deepening ties with the West.

- consider in DSNews.

According to the publication, Erdogan is now trying to become a regional gendarme and reduce the risks for his energy plans. In turn, Pashinyan consolidates Armenians and increases the chances of Yerevan getting out of Moscow's tutelage by attracting the attention of Brussels and Washington. As for the United States, one of the presidential candidates, rapper Kanye West, is married to an Armenian, Kim Kardashian.

The one who loses is Moscow, since the Turks are pushing it out of the Eastern Mediterranean - away from Libya, and from Syria, and from Iran, and with a bite - from the Caucasus

- summarizes DSNews.

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Offline Sapsan136

Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 30 July 2020 20: 00

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Erdogan got into three wars at once: in Syria, Libya, Azerbaijan. I don’t think that this will benefit Turkey and the sultan has outplayed someone, rather, he stuck his head into the guillotine.
Offline boriz

boriz (boriz) 30 July 2020 20: 30

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The one who loses is Moscow, because the Turks are pushing it out of the Eastern Mediterranean - away from Libya, and from Syria, and from Iran, and with a bite - from the Caucasus.

Everywhere Erdogan is used blindly as a fool, so that there is someone to blame for the next long-lasting conflict that does not allow "extra" hydrocarbons to appear on the market. Plus the weakening of Turkey, military, economic and image.
In Libya, against him (in different guises) Egypt, Saud, France, Russia, Greece. And as it just turned out, also Israel. Does this speak of a great mind? Syria has also competently created a dead-end situation for Turkey of a sluggish military conflict. For the same purposes.
And now he is still in Azerbaijan. Pashinyan, of course, is an idiot. I managed to speak too much. In his view, Russia should, at the first click, rush to defend any stupidity that Armenia does. Russia will step in when it finds it necessary. And they will make Pashinyan guilty.
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  Binder (Miron) 30 July 2020 21: 02
  
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  Russia will step in when it finds it necessary.
  
  Maybe not at all - there are precedents in history. If I were Armenians, I would not count on Russia's direct intervention in the conflict, and there is no doubt that the Turks will fit in for their closest relatives, the Azerbaijanis. Armenia is painfully insignificant today, there is no point in spending resources on its protection. This, of course, sounds cynical, but politics is generally a cynical thing ...
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    boriz (boriz) 30 July 2020 23: 05
    
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    I didn’t say that the Russian Federation would go there with troops. Most likely, as usual, he will limit himself to strict suggestion. And everyone will be quiet. But the suggestion will be delayed to the last, tk. Pashinyan went too far. They will achieve the crisis and Pashinyan's departure.
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      Larisa Larisa (Larisa Larisa) 30 July 2020 23: 40
      
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      The troops came to "calm down" ?! What a naive, right word!
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        boriz (boriz) 31 July 2020 00: 50
        
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        What troops and where did they come? More precisely, please. And filter the bazaar. You are not in the stable.
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      Binder (Miron) 31 July 2020 06: 15
      
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      Quote: boriz
      ... everything, as usual, will be limited to strict suggestion. And everyone will be quiet.
      
      When did Erdogan calm down after the suggestions from Moscow? It would be very useful for him today to exacerbate the long-standing conflict between Armenia and Azerbaijan. Baku will never come to terms with the loss of Nagorno-Karabakh and firmly intend to return it, in Yerevan they do not want to hear that this territory will again become a part of Azerbaijan - a great occasion for another act of bloody drama. And the cherry on the cake - Russia, as strange as it may seem, is also beneficial for the confrontation between Armenians and Azerbaijanis not in the form of fights in Russian markets, but as a sluggish armed conflict between the two Transcaucasian states, only if there is tension there Russia has a chance to maintain its presence in the region , which was once part of the USSR.
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      Lawyer (Olaf) 31 July 2020 06: 30
      
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      Most likely, they will kick out the last military Russians, since their presence in Armenia loses all meaning, and they will ask the UN to introduce blue helmets.
      And then they will give NATO a couple of airbases to exclude the possibility of bombing their nuclear power plant.
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        Binder (Miron) 31 July 2020 09: 21
        
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        Quite a likely scenario for the future development of events.
  2. Offline Larisa Larisa
    
    Larisa Larisa (Larisa Larisa) 30 July 2020 23: 45
    
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    Something for you in Russia, everything is insignificant, then Donbass, then Armenia! Or maybe you are insignificant, with all your gamuz? !!!
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      Binder (Miron) 31 July 2020 06: 20
      
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      Madame, I dare to remind you that neither Donbass nor Armenia are parts of the Russian Federation. A lady interested in international politics is ashamed not to know this ...
2. Offline Vladimir Tuzakov
  
  Vladimir Tuzakov (Vladimir Tuzakov) 30 July 2020 21: 05
  
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  The alignment of interests in the Middle East is sharpening. It is beneficial for Russia to support R. Erdogan in his actions, the main thing is splitting the united NATO front in the southern sector against the Russian Federation, and will not become a close threat in the southern direction. So Georgia and Armenia will set their brains and they will ask again under the Russian wing, and if not, the loss from the anti-Russian Georgia and Armenia is so small - the watershed of interests with Turkey will go along the natural border, - the Caucasian ridge that separates Europe from Asia. Libya will brew a sluggish confrontation, and there it is also in Russia's interests to support Turkey. A long conflict and a freeze of everything is foreseen, no one is going to give in to anyone ... Azerbaijan will undoubtedly fall under the influence of Turkey, but in a friendly manner, joint projects are possible ... Politics, this is from the impossible to do the possible, - I did not say ... minus, so not everyone delves into the future ...
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    123 (123) 30 July 2020 22: 19
    
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    the watershed of interests with Turkey will go along the natural border - the Caucasian ridge, which separates Europe from Asia ..
    
    South Ossetia and Abkhazia on the southern side of the ridge. How to deal with them? Also trim the border?
    
    Azerbaijan will undoubtedly fall under the influence of Turkey, but in a friendly manner, joint projects are possible ...
    
    To give everything under Turkish control and then count on "in a friendly manner" is not necessary.
    I gave it away, showed weakness, they don't make friends with a weakling, they take away the rest from him.
    1. Offline Larisa Larisa
      
      Larisa Larisa (Larisa Larisa) 30 July 2020 23: 38
      
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      And there is what friendship with ukrami, what friendship! Parsik, you understand!
      1. Offline Lawyer
        
        Lawyer (Olaf) 31 July 2020 06: 34
        
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        It was not the Ukrainians who fanned the conflict, and it is not in the Kuban that the war that is being fanned and supported by the Ukrainians is going on.
        And you all wonder how they took you and stopped loving you.
        
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        Rum rum (Rum rum) 31 July 2020 14: 20
        
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        Oh, how you made a joke ...
        
        Offline Lawyer
        
        Lawyer (Olaf) 31 July 2020 14: 27
        
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        Alas, in jurisprudence, in addition to the dispute about the boundaries of land plots, there is also a section on contracts. International too.
        Are you literally familiar with the Budapest Memorandum? So what are the questions for me, who evaluates what your country has done?
        
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        123 (123) 31 July 2020 16: 55
        
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        Alas, in jurisprudence, besides the dispute about the boundaries of land plots, there is also a section on contracts. International too. Are you literally familiar with the Budapest Memorandum?
        So what are the questions for me, who evaluates what your country has done?
        
        Do you know the word memorandum? Do you understand what it means?
        
        A diplomatic document outlining the government's views on some n. question.
        
        That's all. Do you have any complaints about the views?
        There is also such a word - ratification .... should we continue?
        
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        plabu 31 July 2020 18: 16
        
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        Quote: Lawyer
        Alas, in jurisprudence, besides the dispute about the boundaries of land plots, there is also a section on contracts. International too ...
        
        How curious you have turned out - it turns out that it is best to study at least treaty, at least international law from textbooks of jurisprudence.
        
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        ... Are you literally familiar with the Budapest Memorandum? ...
        
        - "literally familiar" - again, well, you have very cool terminology, do you suggest to learn it by heart?
        
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        ... So what are the questions for me, who evaluates what your country has done?
        
        What questions can there be to someone who expresses purely his own privatevery Nonobjective opinion, and nothing more?
        And if you take into account your previous lapses, questions immediately arise about your competence ...
        
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        123 (123) 31 July 2020 16: 52
        
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        It was not the Ukrainians who fanned the conflict, and it is not in the Kuban that the war that is being fanned and supported by the Ukrainians is going on.
        
        That's for sure. And it will not work to inflate the conflict there. There is power in Russia and there will be no Maidan. No Ukrainians and their owners will do anything there. The arms are short. Donbass is not reached further.
        
        And you all wonder how they took you and stopped loving you.
        
        I am surprised? Who stopped loving us and where? Didn't you confuse anything?
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      Vladimir Tuzakov (Vladimir Tuzakov) 31 July 2020 16: 28
      
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      Each rule has exceptions, but South Ossetia and Abkhazia will be a necessary exception, because these are bridgeheads in the Transcaucasus ... Cooperation (friendship is rare in politics) lasts as long as it is beneficial to both parties, so build on this principle ...
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    boriz (boriz) 30 July 2020 22: 43
    
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    Azerbaijan will definitely not fall under the influence of Turkey. As well as under the influence of Iran. In Azerbaijan, surprisingly, a national elite has formed. Therefore, the country will be in the zone of influence of the Russian Federation, but will not (most likely) be part of it.
    Sooner or later, the North-South transport corridor (RF-Azerbaijan-Iran) will go through Azerbaijan. Turkey will not be able to promise anything of the kind. Both the Russian Federation and Iran will guarantee the security and stability of Azerbaijan.
    Turkey's future is sad. Erdogan does one stupid thing after another. Turkey is trying to beat show-off, portraying a first-tier power (like the United States, China, Russia). It will end with Turkey disintegrating.
    Azerbaijan is more important for the Russian Federation in the future. In the extreme, the Russian Federation can partially merge Armenia (using Pashinyan's foolishness), but not Turkey.
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      Binder (Miron) 31 July 2020 06: 30
      
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      Azerbaijan will definitely not fall under the influence of Turkey.
      
      He has long and firmly been under this influence, and in all spheres - economic, military, educational.
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        Seaman_2 (White Sea) 4 August 2020 13: 33
        
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        If we thought about our interests, then Azerbaijan would be completely under our influence. Let's remember that during the Soviet era, Azerbaijan was a donor republic for a long time (before the sharp collapse of oil prices). And Armenia (and Georgia) - these eternal recipients, receiving 3-4 rubles for each ruble given to the union budget. And, nevertheless, at the Gorbachev referendum for the preservation of the USSR, Azerbaijan gave about 90% of the votes "FOR" the preservation of the USSR. And Armenia (as well as Georgia, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania and Moldova banned the holding of a referendum on the preservation of the USSR in their territories altogether. This "six" as soon as it did not spit in the direction of Moscow. But for some reason, out of all this six, Armenia suddenly began to be considered our "friend" and "ally".
        That is, Armenia, which was "AGAINST" the preservation of the USSR to such an extent that it prohibited the holding of the Gorbachev referendum on its territory, we preferred to Azerbaijan, which was wholly and completely "FOR" the preservation of the USSR. So, why are you surprised that Azerbaijan went to Turkey?
        
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        Binder (Miron) 4 August 2020 16: 34
        
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        I am not surprised by the rapprochement between Azerbaijan and Turkey, it seems to me quite natural that two such close peoples build friendly relations between their states.
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    Binder (Miron) 31 July 2020 06: 26
    
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    In my opinion, it would be extremely naive to hope that Turkey will withdraw from NATO. Erdogan understands that without an alliance with NATO, his country will turn into a kind of Iran, only without oil.
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      Rum rum (Rum rum) 31 July 2020 14: 28
      
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      She may not be left with a choice. Already, Turkey has a conflict (so far political) with half of NATO + Israel. Another coup attempt (in which Erdogan will miraculously survive) and hello to his relatives, his own ass is more expensive. On the other hand, Turkey has only enemies around it: secret and overt, and NATO has nothing but protection.
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Larisa Larisa (Larisa Larisa) 30 July 2020 23: 33

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The Kremlin on politics - everything? !!! And Erdogash is not bend down sickly !!!
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  Lawyer (Olaf) 31 July 2020 06: 36
  
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  Well, for now, even Azerbaijan bends the Kremlin. :))))))))
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    Seaman_2 (White Sea) 4 August 2020 13: 56
    
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    You wrote the word "Armenia" in a strange way.
Offline Bakht

Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 30 July 2020 23: 49

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Since when has anyone been interested in the opinion of the Ukrainian publishing house?
Offline gorenina91

gorenina91 (Irina) 31 July 2020 08: 02

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DSNews: Erdogan outplayed Putin in Azerbaijan

- Yes, not just outplayed; but literally in all respects and in all areas outplayed ...
- And not only in Azerbaijan; and in Syria, in Libya, throughout the Middle. East and even in our Russian Caucasus ...
- About the "Turkish gas pipelines" that Russia at its own expense (at the expense of its taxpayers) laid along the bottom of the Black Sea ... - personally, I will not even mention ... - here for Russia, the failure is simply complete ... - But this let's leave the topic ...
- As for foreign policy, Erdogan has faked Moscow in the way that an experienced cheat of a naive simple-minded gambler can fiddle with cards ...
- Erdogan, having secured "friendship" with Russia and hiding behind this friendship as a shield ... - sent his troops into Syria, into Libya; and now also to Azerbaijan ... - Many thought it was just a joint "Turkey-Azerbaijan" exercise ... - Hahah ... - Yes, Turkey can now stay there (in Azerbaijan) as long as it wants (like in Syria ) ... - And all on a legal basis ... - at the "requests of the Azerbaijani people" ... - Erdogan's actions are quite bold and swift ... and their goal ... is to bring Turkish troops into foreign territory as much as possible ... to the territory of different states ... - And then let them be indignant and protest on the sly ... - Erdogan is "not hot" from this ... - So Russia can be indignant as much as he wants ... - Erdogan is not "on the drum" ...
- What should Russia do ??? - And Russia found itself in such a disgusting situation, in which the right hand of Russia is forced to fight with the left hand of Russia ... - Russia just has its hands tied ... - That's it ...
- Today Russia simply cannot influence Turkey in any way; but he can only watch her actions and silently demolish all "Erdogan's freaks" ... - That's all ...
- And in the conflict "Armenia-Azerbaijan" for Russia, everything can come to a tragicomedy ... - That is, before the joint Russian-Turkish patrols on the territory of the "disputed" Nagorno-Karabakh ... - and most likely, this will all end ... - The example of Syria turned out to be very infectious for Russia ... - almost like ... like COVID-19. .. - Alas ...
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  _AMUHb_ (_AMUHb_) 31 July 2020 20: 20
  
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  With all due respect, there is an experience of communicating with Azeris, even a half-blood on my father's side (which, of course, is not in the family (not for us to judge, of course))) lives with dreams of the revival of Turkic influence and with a "gritt of teeth" talks about how many Armenians (these are "kind of Russians", in his words, however, like the Chechens - also from us))), who "bit off too much from us" i.e. there is a common understanding of kinship. What can we do about kinship, Irina? What to do? Support the Armenians who curse us? For what? Orthodoxy? We have a northerly ocean peck, there are enough territories. Moreover, there are Chechens there, who from the "Russians"))) will not pass from there ... Pysy, by the way, cher and how many will not care for them for their fellow countrymen, because I see neither honor nor respect for us. Why should we be nice to them?
Offline rotkiv04

rotkiv04 (Victor) 31 July 2020 08: 18

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The guarantor did it again, if, of course, it was not the KPP, or it was simply that his negligent subordinates (boyars) let him down again.
Offline voenmor

voenmor (voenmor) 31 July 2020 11: 11

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The great Ukrainian "experts" immediately put everything in its place, they are always clear and understandable about Russia. They just cannot decide on their place in this world.
Offline staer-62

staer-62 (Andrei) 1 August 2020 07: 26

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Armenia did everything to ensure that public opinion, the opinion of Russians about the war in Karabakh was indifferent. Armenia is a state where everything Russian is destroyed. This is the business of Armenia, live as you want.
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They often say that Armenia is our ally in the CSTO. I always wanted to understand why even NATO does not accept new members who have any claims against each other (when NATO simultaneously accepted Greece and Turkey, they were forced to publicly declare that they had no territorial claims against each other) , and we in the CSTO accepted two countries not only having territorial claims to each other, but generally being at war with each other?
Okay, let's say, when we accepted Armenia and Azerbaijan into the CSTO, we could hope to resolve their conflict within the CSTO. But why, when in 1999, when Azerbaijan decided not to renew its membership in the CSTO because of the complete uselessness of the CSTO for resolving the Armenian-Azerbaijani conflict, we and Azerbaijan did not hold back, and Armenia's membership was not frozen.
As a result, it has some wildest case from the point of view of international law. The DEFENSE Union consists of an aggressor who seized 20% of a neighbor's territory and brazenly demands assistance to him, the aggressor, and not the victim of aggression.
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Quote: gorenina91
Erdogan's actions are quite bold and swift ... and their goal ... is to bring Turkish troops into foreign territory as much as possible ... into the territory of different states ... - And then let them be indignant and protest on the sly ... ...

So he has such a wonderful example before his eyes. A country that brought its troops into the territory of a neighboring country and occupied 20% of its territory. And no matter how much Azerbaijan protested and was indignant, things are still there.