Israel turns out to be a secret participant in the Libyan war


Israel secretly favors Marshal Haftar in the Libyan conflict in his confrontation with the NTC army, led by Faiz Saraj. Tel Aviv supports Cairo as one of its most consistent partners in the region, hence the Israelis' interest in the victory of the "Haftarites". The Turkish news agency Anadolu reports.


Journalist Joseph Millman in an interview with the British edition of the Middle East Eye said that the Israeli intelligence service "Mossad" trained LNA commanders in Egypt in military tactics, leadership of military operations, competent analysis of the situation and intelligence gathering. During his visits to Cairo in 2017 and 2019, Haftar reportedly discussed with Mossad officials the supply of night vision devices and sniper rifles to the LNA.

Israel believes that if the Libyan National Army wins in the east of the country, a "security wall" will be created to prevent the illegal transportation of weapons from Libya through Sinai to Palestinian terrorists to Gaza. In addition, Haftar, with his oil money, could become a good buyer of Israeli weapons.

Tel Aviv also has a political and energy interest here. Haftar could in the future ensure stable gas transit from Israel through the Mediterranean to European consumers. Another reason is the threat to Egypt from the PNC and pro-Turkish paramilitary groups. Israel is an ally of Egypt in the region, so it readily supports the LNA.
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  1. 123 Offline
    123 (123) 29 July 2020 17: 57
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    Arrived. smile Who would doubt that. laughing
    Well, everything is clear, this is the confrontation between Israel and Turkey, Netanyahu must immediately put the Turks in their place. am Or is he a rag? winked
    1. Tramp1812 Offline
      Tramp1812 (Tramp 1812) 29 July 2020 18: 20
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      The enemy of my enemy is my friend. Turkey began to take out of order.

      Well done, it's time to stop.

      A.V. Suvorov

      I believe that not only Jerusalem and Cairo are interested in tempering Turkey's ardor in the BB. But the allies of the current "Magnificent Port" are not yet visible. Diaspora of Ankara is not bad, in Germany, for example, but it has never and nowhere demonstrated devotion to its historical homeland. Of the countries that openly sympathize with Turkey, I can only name it offhand, perhaps Azerbaijan. Uzbekistan is a stretch, but not enough to "go uncontrollably into the last mortal battle." And the Christian Armenia and Greece have long-standing accounts with the Turks, and the Georgians are not happy with Erdogan's ambitions. Not to mention the Kurds.
      1. 123 Offline
        123 (123) 29 July 2020 20: 03
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        Yes, I am not very interested in their allies, it just turns out that there is a snake ball in Libya, there is half the Middle East, plus Europe, but for some reason they shout - this is a confrontation between Russia and Turkey, Putin must definitely start a war and put Erdogan in his place. True, it is not clear why request and to whom should. I am glad that you openly joined this warm company, and since you have already come .... I wanted to ask .... Isn't it time for Netanyahu to put Erdogan in his place? laughing Judging by the reaction, this proposal does not find a warm response. winked In principle, I understand why ... I have no complaints about Israel in this regard, they are against those who want to involve Russia in this war.
        1. Tramp1812 Offline
          Tramp1812 (Tramp 1812) 29 July 2020 20: 52
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          123, the points you raised are a topic for a separate serious publication. I can only briefly express my subjective opinion. At the heart of interest in Libya, with bets on various forces that control one or another part of its territory, are hydrocarbons. Plus, subject to control in this country, the unfreezing of Turkish projects for $ 25 billion, Russian projects for $ 8-10 billion. Europe is on the sidelines, the States are also. Arabs, except Qatar, are against the strengthening of Turkey. This is an internal Arab question. I am far from sure that the Russian Federation plays into the hands of Turkey's dominance in Libya. This is the loss of possible bases, the market for their products, control over hydrocarbons. Everyone has their own interests. As the saying goes, two bears cannot get along in one den. Therefore, they support directly opposite forces: the Arabs, the RF - Haftar, Turkey - Saraja. I do not see Israel's interest. Perhaps indirectly sympathizing with Haftar, strengthening Egypt's position in relation to Turkey. Israel will remain on the sidelines of the conflict. Definitely. I am convinced of this. The Arab-Israeli wars were imposed on Israel. And to harness itself in Libya 1000 km from its borders is political suicide for any Israeli government. What has Israel lost in this mess?
          1. 123 Offline
            123 (123) 29 July 2020 21: 13
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            The topic is really complex and extensive. Using Israel as an example, I only compare the approach to the problem. Jews are accused of many things, but not often of stupidity, it is quite suitable for comparison.

            What has Israel lost in this mess?

            I suppose not, however, like Russia, the only thing at stake is the opportunity to earn something. You can't lose what you don't have. Contracts are a possible prospect, nothing more. The prospect of getting a base is, of course, interesting, but not the fact that control over all of Libya is needed. Paradoxical as it may seem, two "bears" may well get along in this den. Oil, mainly at Haftar, needs access to the sea and a port. It is troublesome, costly to squeeze out the Turks, plus possible losses and deterioration of relations with the Turks, and there are many points of contact with them. Transcaucasia, Syria and much more.
            I'm just wondering what are the motives of the people who advocate a military conflict with the Turks.
      2. Lawyer Offline
        Lawyer (Olaf) 30 July 2020 07: 02
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        Yes, yes, and the Russian plane was shot down! Tomatoes are speculating! We will ask them more.
    2. Natan bruk Offline
      Natan bruk (Natan Bruk) 29 July 2020 19: 19
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      The Turks were put in place 10 years ago when the Navi Marmara tried to break into Gaza. A dozen Turkish extremists were put on the spot, because they did not obey the landing party who had landed on the ship and tried to bullshit, and the ship was brought to Ashdod. Then, I remember, Erdogan kicked himself in the chest with his heel and with his mother swore that he would personally arrive in Gaza on a cruiser, but somehow it did not work out for him. At the same time, he did not even break the relationship. Air travel, diplomatic relations, tourism, trade - everything is as it was.
      1. 123 Offline
        123 (123) 29 July 2020 20: 05
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        The Turks were put in place 10 years ago when the Navi Marmara tried to break into Gaza. A dozen Turkish extremists were put on the spot, because they did not obey the landing party who had landed on the ship and tried to bullshit, and the ship was brought to Ashdod. Then, I remember, Erdogan beat himself in the chest with his heel and with his mother swore that he would personally arrive in Gaza on a cruiser, but somehow it did not work out for him. At the same time, he did not even break the relationship. Air travel, diplomatic relations, tourism, trade - everything is as it was.

        Do not tell me how it will be in Hebrew - We can repeat. winked
        1. Natan bruk Offline
          Natan bruk (Natan Bruk) 29 July 2020 20: 07
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          Yeholim lakhzor :)))
          1. 123 Offline
            123 (123) 29 July 2020 20: 12
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            Thank. And how popular is this slogan with you? With regard to this situation, of course. winked
            1. Natan bruk Offline
              Natan bruk (Natan Bruk) 29 July 2020 20: 53
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              Well, everything is quite smooth with Turkey now. There they realized that doing such things and becoming across our vital interests is very harmful to health, here we will not hesitate and will not give in - they made conclusions, and thank God. And we don't need more. Behave yourself and we will not touch you, but we do not need much mutual love. A mutually beneficial business, please. What, in fact, is happening now.
              1. 123 Offline
                123 (123) 29 July 2020 21: 17
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                Quite an adequate approach. How to introduce our "militarists in civilian clothes" to him. recourse Otherwise it’s all - a bald sword, throwing the Turks into the sea, this is a personal insult, and so on ...
                1. Natan bruk Offline
                  Natan bruk (Natan Bruk) 29 July 2020 21: 59
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                  I agree that one must always act rationally and in cold blood, and understand that there are not always either bosom friends or mortal enemies.
                  1. 123 Offline
                    123 (123) 29 July 2020 22: 41
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                    I agree that one must always act rationally and in cold blood, and understand that there are not always either bosom friends or mortal enemies.

                    I'm about the same. Moreover, if you look more closely, what does Russia get if the Turks leave? First, this does not at all mean Libya's transition to Russian control. After that, both "coalitions" become adversaries. The French and Italians will not be happy about this, especially the United States and they will put pressure on the allies in this matter. Arab monarchies? It's hard to call them friends. They will claim their share of the pie and influence. Egypt is practically their ally, which means the deterioration of relations with him.
                    Are the Turks claiming the shelf? Well, let them squabble with the Greeks and Cypriots. Taking the place of the Turks in this project, with all the ensuing consequences, is not a good idea.
                    Now almost no one likes the Turks in Libya - by squeezing them out of there, Russia automatically takes their place.
                    1. Oyo Sarkazmi Offline
                      Oyo Sarkazmi (Oyo Sarkazmi) 30 July 2020 19: 54
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                      Quote: 123
                      Now almost no one likes the Turks in Libya - by squeezing them out of there, Russia automatically takes their place.

                      Haftar is a creature of the United States, and Russia has nothing to meddle in Libya. From the word at all.
                      1. 123 Offline
                        123 (123) 30 July 2020 20: 37
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                        Haftar is a creature of the United States, and Russia has nothing to meddle in Libya. From the word at all.

                        And she doesn't bother too much, and I don't urge you to do this. We must wait until spiders gnaw each other in this jar, and then we'll see.
        2. Lawyer Offline
          Lawyer (Olaf) 30 July 2020 07: 03
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          They don't say that in Israel.
          We don't want to repeat anything, we don't have such fertile women.
          1. 123 Offline
            123 (123) 30 July 2020 12: 37
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            They don't say that in Israel.
            We don't want to repeat anything, we don't have such fertile women.

            Unfortunately, not everything in this life depends on our desire.



            And you shouldn't talk about women like that, maybe you yourself are not taking an active part in the creative process? winked
            1. Lawyer Offline
              Lawyer (Olaf) 31 July 2020 07: 29
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              Yes, I am not a supporter of sending my only son to distant lands for the interests of Netanyahu.
              And here, if we have to, in one trench and die, as has happened on this earth.
              But we do not want to repeat this, and our women do not give birth to children for the universal might of Israel.
              We have more modest tasks.
              1. 123 Offline
                123 (123) 31 July 2020 11: 21
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                Sometimes you have to send your sons to distant lands, this is more far-sighted than "sitting in one trench" in the Caucasus. We went through this, in my opinion, it is better to solve the problem on the spot, and not wait for it to come to the house. As for you, until peace is established along the borders, you will sit in the trenches and you will. Otherwise it will not work. And the tasks, naturally, will be more modest - to survive.
                For the world power, women do not give birth to children anywhere, we are talking a little about something else, about a peaceful life, so that women can safely give birth to children, and not sit in the trenches with a machine gun in their hands.
    3. Oyo Sarkazmi Offline
      Oyo Sarkazmi (Oyo Sarkazmi) 30 July 2020 19: 52
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      Quote: 123
      Who would doubt that

      What's so strange about that. The Americans are entirely on the side of Haftar. In the territory controlled by Haftar, they extract oil, in the territory controlled by Haftar, a pipeline runs to the coast, to the port of Sirte. The attacks on Sirte prompted a note from the US State Department that the parties should not interfere with the export of (American) oil from Libya.
      And Israel is the US mongrel. Protects their interests.
      1. 123 Offline
        123 (123) 30 July 2020 20: 40
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        What's so strange about that. The Americans are entirely on the side of Haftar. In the territory controlled by Haftar, they extract oil, in the territory controlled by Haftar, a pipeline runs to the coast, to the port of Sirte. The attacks on Sirte prompted a note from the US State Department that the parties should not interfere with the export of (American) oil from Libya.
        And Israel is the US mongrel. Protects their interests.

        In this gadyushnik everything is so intertwined, it is generally not clear who is protecting whose interests.
  2. Binder Offline
    Binder (Miron) 29 July 2020 20: 43
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    The name of the journalist Joseph Millman is unknown to me, judging by what he told the British edition of the Middle East Eye, he, delicately speaking, is not very up to date. "Mossad" is not an army structure and training the Haftarites in military tactics and commanding combat operations is not its profile, especially since the Egyptians themselves can well train local cadres at the level required for military operations in Libya. It is clear that Israel today is completely on the side of the Egyptians in this conflict, because vitally interested in the stability of the power of President Mursi.
    1. Natan bruk Offline
      Natan bruk (Natan Bruk) 29 July 2020 20: 54
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      You, of course, wanted to say - Sisi.
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        Binder (Miron) 29 July 2020 21: 16
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        Undoubtedly. Thanks for the amendment! good
    2. boriz Offline
      boriz (boriz) 30 July 2020 00: 22
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      "Mossad" is not an army structure and training of the Khaftarites in military tactics and the leadership of military operations is not its profile.

      But the Mossad has enough powers and capabilities to organize such training at one of its bases with the involvement of army specialists. The army, it seems, cannot directly communicate with the "partisans" of the neighboring country, but the Mossad does not hesitate to organize such an event. They are guys without prejudice. There would be a political will of the leadership.
  3. Sergey Latyshev Offline
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 29 July 2020 21: 10
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    The stump is clear. They are not far away. Of course it will fit. Any tension with the Arabs is beneficial to them.
  4. _AMUHb_ Offline
    _AMUHb_ (_AMUHb_) 29 July 2020 22: 28
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    Let's just not think about the "hard-headed" God-chosen people superfluous (such an enlightened nation) IMHO these are the first Nazis, and who is "without sin" in this world?))) You don't need to borscht either.
    1. Natan bruk Offline
      Natan bruk (Natan Bruk) 29 July 2020 22: 47
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      Exactly that "IMHO". You would first ask about the definition of Nazism. Such "Nazis" that one and a half million Israeli Arabs have absolutely all civil rights and are not discriminated against. Oh, what "Nazis".
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        _AMUHb_ (_AMUHb_) 29 July 2020 23: 09
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        Are you talking to me for the goyim? And that there are any rights (elections or power) they have? Or will his name and memory be blotted out for YO'Shu-da?
        1. Natan bruk Offline
          Natan bruk (Natan Bruk) 29 July 2020 23: 23
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          What kind of "goyim"? Okay, a little educational program. "Goyim" are just "peoples" without any negative connotations for you to know. I will also reveal a terrible secret - all the rights of non-Jews - citizens of Israel do have, including electoral. And the joint Arab list is one of the largest parties. Moreover, non-Jews, the same Arabs, are also present in non-Arab parties, and they also held ministerial posts. And how many of the same Druze (these are not Jews) are in the army (and there are generals), police, prison service, etc. And what does Yeshua have to do with it? I will tell you one more secret - in Israel there are enough churches and even there is the Church of the Holy Sepulcher, and in all these churches everyone who wants to pray. I'm not talking about mosques, there are a lot of them here. So yes, freedom of religion. So it is still worthwhile to first familiarize yourself with the topic on which you undertake to reason, so as not to look like an ignoramus.
          1. _AMUHb_ Offline
            _AMUHb_ (_AMUHb_) 29 July 2020 23: 32
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            I wonder, then, why should a Jew look for his father (or even prove from the scriptures) that Jewry is not passed on by his mother? (as I understand, your Nazis do not accept him))) I think the poor man wrote to him: were the Jews so famous without the Savior? How many religions in the world would be lost and "in your backyard."
            1. Natan bruk Offline
              Natan bruk (Natan Bruk) 30 July 2020 09: 22
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              Do you write about drinking? Nobody needs to prove anything. To obtain Israeli citizenship, it is enough that you have at least a grandfather on your paternal side as a Jew. With regard to religions, you would not be disgraced by demonstrating your ignorance again - the Abrahamic religions (Christianity and Islam) grew out of Judaism and without it they simply would not exist.
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    Alexzn (Alexander) 30 July 2020 09: 59
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    Especially Israel did not hide its relations with Haftar, we have been selling weapons to him for several years. Saraj, having signed an agreement on the shelf with Turkey, automatically became an enemy of Egypt, Israel, Greece and Cyprus. The hatred between Sisi and Erdogan is based on their different attitudes towards the Muslim brothers (and daughter Hamas) and makes Egypt and Israel allies, at least on this issue.
  7. Tramp1812 Offline
    Tramp1812 (Tramp 1812) 30 July 2020 10: 44
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    Quote: _AMUHb_
    I wonder, then, why should a Jew look for his father (or even prove from the scriptures) that Jewry is not passed on by his mother? (as I understand, your Nazis do not accept him))) I think the poor man wrote to him: were the Jews so famous without the Savior? How many religions in the world would be lost and "in your backyard."

    Not on the topic, but since you are so itchy, I will insert my five cents. First, about Judaism, which you see as "inevitably lost in the backyard."
    Wouldn't get lost, I dare to assure you. For several reasons, in my humble understanding:
    1. It was a monotheistic religion with a deeply humane and philosophical content that was revolutionary for those times. Ten Commandments - as a moral framework, Shabbat - as a day of rest, regulation of relations in society (613 commandments) and their interpretation, essentially a set of laws for all types of law, universal literacy.
    2. Disproportionate success of Jews in all areas, despite their small number (15 million people on the planet). Thanks primarily to loyalty to Judaism.
    3. Agree, for over 70 years, tiny Israel has taken a leading position in the world in very many respects, and in terms of living standards has caught up with Germany.
    4. There is no Nazism in Israel. It is a social democratic country, where in its entire recent history there has not been a single pogrom against citizens of another religion, on ethnic grounds. Not a single temple was destroyed. According to the Law on Return in Israel, not only the grandson of a Jew, but also his entire family, which has nothing to do with Jews, can obtain citizenship without a single problem and delay. Israel has about 400 non-Jewish citizens, in addition to 1.5 million Arabs. And not a single conflict on interethnic grounds. Israeli Arabs do not carry out terrorist attacks in Israel. During the War of Independence, the Circassians created a Cavalry Squadron on their own initiative and fought shoulder to shoulder together with the Jews against the Arab aggressors. Despite the fact that in 1948 the outcome of the war was far from clear. And the world is convinced of the defeat of the Jews.
    5. Arabs, Circassians, Druses, disabled people are provided with benefits for admission to study and work.
    6. The Arab Christian community is the only one in BW that is not shrinking or endangered. Arabs are overrepresented among doctors, lawyers, builders (especially). In the Knesset, the third largest bloc is the SLA.
    Need more facts - I'll throw it. I have them.
    1. _AMUHb_ Offline
      _AMUHb_ (_AMUHb_) 31 July 2020 21: 50
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      And what is not on a "piece of paper", but passed from mouth to mouth by the rabbis, will you also throw it up?
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    Alexzn (Alexander) 30 July 2020 21: 02
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    Quote: _AMUHb_
    I wonder, then, why should a Jew look for his father (or even prove from the scriptures) that Jewry is not passed on by his mother? (as I understand, your Nazis do not accept him))) I think the poor man wrote to him: were the Jews so famous without the Savior? How many religions in the world would be lost and "in your backyard."

    If a third of the Christian god was not Jewish, and another third were not Jewish, then, I agree, no one would know about Judaism.
  9. Tramp1812 Offline
    Tramp1812 (Tramp 1812) 31 July 2020 22: 22
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    Quote: _AMUHb_
    and what is not on a "piece of paper", but passed from mouth to mouth by the rabbis, also throw it?

    Why throw it up? If you are convinced. But to clear your conscience. You are writing about Jewish Nazism. It cannot be a priori. For the simple reason that a person of any ethnicity can become a Jew by nationality. You, for example. You need to convert to Judaism. As ethnic Russians did in RI - subbotniks. You will be surprised, but Ariel Sharon has a native Russian mother - Vera Ivanovna. Converted to Judaism, became Deborah. Or the Chief of the General Staff of Israel - Rafael Eitan - the same story. Or a very recent example: Anastasia Mikhalevskaya. Miss Petersburg, a successful Russian girl in all respects. She converted to Judaism, and in the most orthodox form, became Anastasia Michaeli. Eight children. One of the most famous politicians in Israel is a permanent member of several cadences in the Knesset. Well, what kind of Nazism is this?
    1. Vladimir Tuzakov (Vladimir Tuzakov) 2 August 2020 09: 33
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      Vagabond, etc. So Nazism is different, nowadays there is a religious one, and the bloodiest wars have always been religious ... Today in the Middle East it is more widespread. For example, Muslim Wahhabis are exterminating all non-Muslims more than German Nazis (YIDISH, etc.). In Israel, it is also built on religion, do not accept Judaism by the named Russians, so they would have remained second-class people in Israel ... As for Jesus with the Jewish sect, so its basis - "non-resistance and obedience" Jewish rabbis used to collapse the Roman Empire, built on force and coercion. The main distributor was the synagogue rabbi Paul and other Jews, according to their efforts, the spread in the Roman Empire expanded until the Romans adopted "Thou shalt not kill", after which Rome finally fell under the blows of tribes preferring force and murder ... Judaism does not prohibit the killing of goyim, even welcomes - such a humane religion ...
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    Tramp1812 (Tramp 1812) 2 August 2020 10: 23
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    Quote: Vladimir Tuzakov
    Vagabond, etc. So Nazism is different, nowadays there is a religious one, and the bloodiest wars have always been religious ... Today in the Middle East it is more widespread. For example, Muslim Wahhabis are exterminating all non-Muslims more than German Nazis (YIDISH, etc.). In Israel, it is also built on religion, do not accept Judaism by the named Russians, so they would have remained second-class people in Israel ... As for Jesus with the Jewish sect, so its basis - "non-resistance and obedience" Jewish rabbis used to collapse the Roman Empire, built on force and coercion. The main distributor was the synagogue rabbi Paul and other Jews, according to their efforts, the spread in the Roman Empire expanded until the Romans adopted "Thou shalt not kill", after which Rome finally fell under the blows of tribes preferring force and murder ... Judaism does not prohibit the killing of goyim, even welcomes - such a humane religion ...

    Friends came to the opening day and whispered jerkiness!

    S. Mikhalkov

    Everything is mixed up in the Oblonskys' house

    L. Tolstoy

    My thoughts are my steeds

    Gazmanov

    Appearances, addresses, passwords!

    Putin

    This is just a holiday of some kind of illiteracy!
    So (in Woland's voice) say that non-resistance to evil by violence is a Jewish idea that destroyed Rome? Oh well. But what about the wild Mongols who destroyed the enlightened China and India with about the same introductory. Is it something that suddenly Tenochtitlan fell under the same quietest Christians? You didn’t study Arnold Toynbee’s theory of the seasonality of civilizations, as I understand it, at the TsPSh, you’re not familiar with the works of Spengler and Nietzsche. Well, at least, for the sake of order, have you read something simple - like "The Origin of the Family, Private Property and the State" by Friedrich Engels? Or just I.S. Did you indulge in Barkov at night? You see, Bambino, by the time of the collapse of Rome, he had gone through the entire cycle and entered the winter stage, while the Germanic tribes were experiencing the beginning of spring. Then everything repeated itself in the empires; Frankish (Germanic tribes, Cap!), Austria - Hungary, Britain, Russia, France, Turkey, Caliphate. There are laws of dialectics. It would be great if the Jews found the magic word "simsim" and everything would fall apart. According to our Jewish command, according to our Jewish desire. But alas and ah! We are not Emeli there. So the Roman Empire - not me and my grandmothers Tzipora and Miriam - were destroyed. She hunted herself. Now about modern Israel. 1.5 million Arabs represent the third largest Arab bloc in the Knesset. Clearly by the number of voters. And represented up to the ambassadors. What is it like? Study, study and study again. This is grandfather Lenin - personally to you and "pr", as I understand now, was addressing. You see, Bambino, I have a very good education, plus a Ph.D. degree, plus service in the power structure on the ground - a quarter of a century, and the rank of colonel. Seen more than anything and all sorts of different tuzakovy-ball, too. Handled the most difficult conflicts and situations. Therefore, at my level, polemicize, if this word is generally applicable to you and "pr" - it's funny (s). The right word.