What threatens Crimea with the appearance of an ultra-small submarine fleet in Ukraine


In Nezalezhnaya there is another aggravation. Former head of Ukrainian diplomacy Pavel Klimkin talks about the onset of the "Crimean days". Former NSDC secretary, previously acting president, Alexander Turchinov, is completely ready to go in the front ranks to recapture the peninsula from Russia if Vladimir Zelensky gives such an order. What prevented him from ordering this in due time is covered with mystery.


Of course, it would be curious to see Pastor Turchinov "in the forefront of the assault battalion," but he would look more organically behind the machine gun of the barrage detachment. Okay, this is all jokes. About what are the prospects of Ukraine to recapture Crimea by force, we in detail told earlier. In short, they are none.

Nevertheless, Kiev can create a lot of problems for Moscow in the Black Sea region, which it is doing. With the advent of the Neptune anti-ship missiles in the Armed Forces of Ukraine, both Russian naval bases in Sevastopol and Novorossiysk are under threat of attack. The transfer of American-made high-speed combat boats to the Sea of ​​Azov, where the Nezalezhnaya naval base is being built in Berdyansk, will give the Ukrainian Navy the opportunity to stage provocations against the Crimean bridge. Another potential headache for the Russian Ministry of Defense is the possibility of a submarine fleet in Kiev.

Yes, with the loss of Crimea, Ukraine also lost its Zaporozhye submarine, and most of its submariners “betrayed their Motherland”. However, Kiev is still hatching plans to revive its underwater component in the Black Sea. With all the difficulties it faces, in the long term this can create a number of problems for the Russian Black Sea Fleet. In Nezalezhnaya they dream of German submarines of the 209 type, capable of competing with the Varshavyanka, but each of them costs at least $ 200 million. In addition, it is unclear where they will be based. Therefore, in the absence of fish, the Ukrainian Navy is ready to create a fleet of small and midget submarines, which should become "a moral, psychological and deterrent factor in the region." The Ukrainian naval commander Igor Voronchenko once explained:

This is a very successful option for using and pulling off forces directly at sea, as well as transferring saboteurs. There is also such a concept as fleet in being, that is, we have something that we can deliver for the enemy and draw off a very large amount of forces.

The project of the Croatian ultra-small submarine Drakon 220 was considered as the basis for the submarine sabotage fleet Nezalezhnaya. True, none of them has yet been built "in hardware", but a general idea can be drawn from its predecessor, the Yugoslav Type 911 "Una". They were armed with eight torpedo tubes, anti-ship missile surface launchers, and several naval mines. The crew consisted of only five people, sailing autonomy - up to a week. One of the tasks of the submarine is the covert delivery of sabotage groups to the rear of the enemy. Nothing pleasant for the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, given that the hydroacoustic search for submarines in the Black Sea is complicated in the so-called hydrogen sulfide zones and silt volcanism in the Kerch Bay area.

If desired, Western partners will be able to help Kiev acquire an ultra-small submarine fleet and train crews. Then the question of its basing will arise. It is believed that Odessa is unsuitable even for such compact submarines. Ukrainian experts propose to use the Chinese experience and place the underwater component of the Ukrainian Navy in the Danube delta. True, for this they will have to bypass the status of the Danube Biosphere Reserve and place a base in the Sasyk estuary, connecting it with the sea, and build a railroad for logistic supplies. In general, a lot of expensive work lies ahead.

Despite this, in the General Staff of the Russian Federation, even this still virtual threat is treated with full attention. The passive sonar complex "MGK-608" was deployed near the Crimean Cape Tarkhankut. Near it, as well as on the other side of the Sevastopol Bay, at Cape Chersonesos, stationary electromagnetic stations "Anakonda-SP" will be installed and used. In the sea off the Black Sea coast of Sochi, two dozen Amga-M hydroacoustic underwater stations are deployed.

In general, the underwater borders of Russia are already locked.
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  1. Ivancarafuto Offline
    Ivancarafuto (Ivan) 27 July 2020 15: 38
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    "Ukrainian ultra-small submarine fleet" for those who know the real state of affairs in the economy, politics and the army of this country, something from the field of "spherical horses in a vacuum". But if it is purely hypothetical to imagine that this miracle appeared at the disposal of Ukraine, with trained crews, with the entire support structure, then for me the Soviet border system is still enough, and if it is modernized and propped up with the Black Sea Fleet ships ... ..
    1. Marzhecki Offline
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 27 July 2020 16: 01
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      If Ukraine does everything on its own and at its own expense - this is one story, if it is purposefully helped to let it go ahead with a steam locomotive - this is another story.
      1. Ivancarafuto Offline
        Ivancarafuto (Ivan) 27 July 2020 18: 24
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        "Help"? !!! I beg of you. Ukraine is given money so that it does not die (it will be stolen anyway). Military aid is given on the basis of two considerations - so that the conflict in Donbass "smoldered" and for resale to "barmaley" .. The trouble of Ukraine is the lack of qualified personnel at all levels, the army and navy are no exception. In order for a vocational school graduate to become a skilled worker, on average, it takes 10 years. A normal naval specialist (on average) is no less than five, and then many will argue with me, and they are right. And divers are a caste, they are specialists with a capital letter. It's like a space power. Likewise, a power that has a submarine fleet, it does not matter whether it is ultra-small or normal. As submariners used to say in Soviet times, we are the shield of the Motherland, and the rest of the army is just rivets on this shield.
        1. boriz Offline
          boriz (boriz) 27 July 2020 20: 25
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          They are given money not so that they do not die (they will die anyway), but so that the current payments on loans are made (and even more got into credit).
        2. Oleg Shlyapin Offline
          Oleg Shlyapin (oleg shlyapin) 29 July 2020 01: 02
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          The volume of US military aid to Ukraine is $ 0,25 billion. The military budget of Ukraine in 2020 is $ 9,9 billion. On June 11, 2020, in accordance with the recommendations of the US Department of Defense, the US Congress approved a package of military assistance to Ukraine for the 2020 financial year in the amount of $ 250 million under the Ukraine Security Assistance Initiative (USAI) program. This year, US military aid will receive 4 new Mark-6 naval boats, several dozen remote-controlled naval cannons for boats, Javelin ATGMs, etc. The amount of aid for lethal weapons is $ 0,125 billion, the rest is aid in the system of training military personnel, equipment, vehicles, etc. The information is in the public domain.
    2. Oleg Shlyapin Offline
      Oleg Shlyapin (oleg shlyapin) 29 July 2020 00: 40
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      1. The budget of Ukraine in 2020 is 1.079.487.458 300 UAH or 38 dollars at an average annual rate of 279 UAH / dollar foreseen in the budget.
      2. The military budget of Ukraine for 2020 is more than UAH 245 billion (about $ 9,9 billion), US military assistance is $ 0,25 billion. Total, over $ 10 billion.
      3. About 10% of the total military budget for the year is allocated for the purchase of military equipment and weapons from other countries; about USD 1 billion.
      1. Ivancarafuto Offline
        Ivancarafuto (Ivan) 29 July 2020 08: 38
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        It remains to calculate how much is stolen, including when purchasing military equipment.
        1. Oleg Shlyapin Offline
          Oleg Shlyapin (oleg shlyapin) 29 July 2020 16: 29
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          The amounts and quantities of equipment purchased are known. Unit prices as well. You can count.
  2. 123 Offline
    123 (123) 27 July 2020 17: 13
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    In the foreseeable future, the submarine fleet can appear only in one case, if they collect carts from the surrounding villages and all into the water.

    Nobody will buy them submarines, train crews and build infrastructure. Expensive, but there will be no sense anyway. Cheaper as the Balts, Makarov pistols from the warehouses to donate and you can trumpet about the support of all "progressive humanity". As a last resort, a few more rusty boats will be presented.
    1. Sapsan136 Offline
      Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 27 July 2020 21: 14
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      Well, here they can give it, if the Yankees really want it. The Poles have suitable antiques, type 206 submarines. The troughs are not very good for anything, but they can be sold to UKROPs, and they can even tear off money from them (here, most likely on credit, or for land, or other property) for ammunition, repairs, crew training , distillation from the Baltic to the Black Sea. In any case, ours did the right thing to insure themselves. God protects those who are careful, but everything can be expected from the mad Bandera dog.
      1. 123 Offline
        123 (123) 27 July 2020 22: 28
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        Well, here they can give it, if the Yankees really want it. The Poles have suitable antiques, type 206 submarines. The troughs are not good for anything, but they can be sold to UKROPs, and they can even tear off money from them (here, most likely on credit, or for land, or other property) for ammunition, repairs, crew training , distillation from the Baltic to the Black Sea.

        Poles write that they have 1 "Halibut" (6 years under repair, apparently already at the dump) and 4 pcs. type 207. 4 old troughs bought from the Norwegians, two should have been written off this year. Let it be given or sold, welded to the pier like Zaporozhye for the joy of jumpers. What the Poles can teach them, I don’t know, they have practically no submarine fleet.

        In any case, ours did the right thing to insure themselves. God protects the beloved, but everything can be expected from the mad Bandera dog.

        This is for sure, only I think they are preparing to meet other dogs, "stray" ones.
        1. Sapsan136 Offline
          Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 30 July 2020 08: 00
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          The stray also need to be met properly. About 10 years ago, Turkish submarines sailed off the coast of Crimea as they wanted. Now, apparently, a bummer has come to the Janissaries.
    2. Oleg Shlyapin Offline
      Oleg Shlyapin (oleg shlyapin) 29 July 2020 17: 07
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      Exactly it won't. The Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine has defined the Russian Federation as an aggressor country. Based on this, in the Black and Azov Seas, the main potential enemy for the Navy is the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Federation. To resist him, you do not need to build large ships and have a submarine. There are funds, the price of which is an order of magnitude less, and the efficiency can be very high. For example, anti-ship cruise missiles "Neptune" with a range of up to 280 km and the ability to hit sea targets with a displacement of up to 5000 tons, will completely cover the basin of the Azov Sea, and part of the Black Sea basin near Odessa. The mobility of the "Neptune" battalion ensures the autonomous movement of the complex over land up to 1000 km. In the future, such systems as the Korshun-2 cruise missiles (flight range up to 480 km) will be able to cover a number of targets of the coastal infrastructure of the Russian Black Sea Fleet in Crimea and the Novorossiysk region. Also, a number of targets can be covered with Berest and Verba MLRSs with Typhoon-1 missiles (range up to 40 km), Typhoon-2 (range up to 66 km), Alder with its R modifications , "M", M1 "and M2" (range of damage in the range of 70-200 km), "Typhoon-4" (range of damage up to 280 km), OTRK "Thunder-2" (range of damage depending on the modification 280-750 Also, short-range anti-ship missiles created on the basis of the S-125 Pechora (up to 40 km) and Alder (up to 70 km) can be used to counter the landing forces of the Russian Black Sea Fleet. RF in the specified area can be deployed promising air defense systems, developed on the basis of missiles R-27, "Alder-M" and the new system "Dnepr-1", the class corresponding to the Russian air defense system S-400. Neptune "ground-to-ground, ship-to-ship" and "air-to-ship" deployed on mobile launchers for land, sea th and airborne. Also, the airspace of these areas will be controlled by radars such as "Kolchuga", "Iskra", "Zoo", etc.

      It provides for the creation and development of ships of the so-called "mosquito fleet" by boats of various types, namely:
      - Coast Guard (Ukrainian-made "Gyurza-M" and "Kaira-150", American-made "Island" and "Mark-6", French-made OSEA),
      - landing (Ukrainian production "Centaur"),
      - anti-ship (Ukrainian-made on the basis of boats "Lan" and "Vespa", possibly American "Island"), anti-submarine (Ukrainian-made on the basis of boats "Lan") and air defense systems (promising projects).
      There are projects for supersonic anti-ship missiles of the Molniya-1 type airborne and unmanned UAVs of the Bayraktar TB and S-200 Sokol type.

      This is what they plan to implement until 2025 at the most.
      1. 123 Offline
        123 (123) 29 July 2020 17: 42
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        This is what they plan to implement until 2025 maximum.

        Napoleon, with his plans, nervously smokes on the sidelines, fingering his cocked hat. winked
        But they are not destined to come true. This is roughly the way it was in the 90s, everyone was fed new products. They came up with it, they want to do it, but this is in the plans. But, as usual, there was no money for all these "wunderwales". So here, everything will end with the IBD (imitation of violent activity), but for now they will quietly export black soil.
        The West will not give money for the development of the defense industry, but its own will not be enough. We somehow survived at the expense of Indian contracts, but they did something to the Arabs. What is Ukraine doing and to whom is it selling? With Lukashenka for two, you cannot become arms barons.
        1. Oleg Shlyapin Offline
          Oleg Shlyapin (oleg shlyapin) 29 July 2020 18: 16
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          The information is publicly available on the internet.
        2. Oleg Shlyapin Offline
          Oleg Shlyapin (oleg shlyapin) 29 July 2020 21: 46
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          By boats:
          1. Boats "Gyurza" - 2 units, "Gyurza-M" - 8 units, "Centaur" - 3 units.
          2. Transfer from the USA used boats "Island" - 2 were transferred. 4 in progress.
          3. The contract for the purchase of 12 American Mark-6 boats and 15 French OSEA boats has been signed. The amount of the contract is USD 650 million.
          5. 4 American boats "Mark-6" will be transferred to Ukraine as military aid from the United States.
          6. The contract for the construction of 5 OSEA boats by the Ukrainian company "Nibulon" has been signed.
          Total - 49 new boats. They also plan to build the Kaira-150 artillery boats.

          On missiles:
          1. MLRS "Alder" and "Alder-R" are put into service and are being mass-produced, "Alder-M" has passed state tests and serial production will begin in the fall, "Alder-M1" and "Alder-M2" will begin testing in the fall of 2020.
          2. Rocket RC-360 KR "Neptune" has passed state tests and in the fall begins serial production. The first missile division will be ready by May 2021, and 2021 more divisions by the end of 2.
          3. MLRS "Typhoon-1" was tested in April 2020.
          4. OTRK "Thunder-2" passed a number of tests. Here are state tests either at the end of 2020, or already in 2021.
          5. SAM "Dnepr-1" and on the basis of R-27 are planned in 2021.

          The amount for the purchase of Alder missiles for 2020, if I'm not mistaken, is 340 million dollars.
          We have all this information in open sources.
      2. Alexander Semenov_2 (Alexander Semenov) 29 July 2020 17: 58
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        Are you serious? I decided to scare the hedgehog ... The Russian Black Sea Fleet will only blow, and the large-sized vessels will fly in small fragments to the Polish border!
      3. Sapsan136 Offline
        Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 30 July 2020 08: 06
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        Real tests of the Neptune anti-ship missile system were carried out at a distance of about 80 km, which suggests that the Banderaites were able to recreate the old Soviet Kh-35 Uranus missile, with a range of 130 km, for which Ukraine had part of the documentation and several ready-made (made in the USSR engines). The Russian Uran-M anti-ship missiles have a range of 280 km, and the Bandera missiles have no documentation for these missiles and it is doubtful that they were able to achieve such characteristics. All air defense systems of Ukraine are Soviet-made (all enterprises that produce air defense systems are located in the Russian Federation), so corporate maintenance has not been performed since 2008, and handicraft Ukrainian repairs are handicraft, and, judging by the air defense systems of Ukraine, left over from Ukraine in Crimea, often there is nothing to repair there, it is scrap metal.
      4. Sergey Shmelev Offline
        Sergey Shmelev (Sergey Shmelev) 3 August 2020 06: 02
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        Recently, the project of the Tirex tank in Ukraine was covered with a copper basin, and here we are talking about more expensive projects.
  3. boriz Offline
    boriz (boriz) 27 July 2020 20: 50
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    Was in Ukraine until August last year, Minister of Infrastructure Omelyan. Famous for the fact that he was going to build a hyperloop. Result: there is no hyperloop, the roads are wild horror (the networks are full of Ukrainian videos, we did not have this in the 90s), the bridges were not repaired.
    The Ukrainian submarine fleet is from the same opera. Submariners serve in our fleet, there are no submarines, no infrastructure.
    The point is not even that there are no specialists. Who will teach the new ones? The money for all this is unrealistic for Ukraine. And Ukraine is cheerfully heading towards collapse.
    1. Oleg Shlyapin Offline
      Oleg Shlyapin (oleg shlyapin) 29 July 2020 01: 06
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      Male Russians between the ages of 18 and 60 are generally not allowed to enter Ukraine. This is for reference. Judging by what was written, you have not been anywhere.
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    Georgievic (Georgievic) 27 July 2020 21: 31
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    Wet dreams of impotent people!
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    AICO (Vyacheslav) 28 July 2020 02: 05
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    If only from galvanized coffins !!! Load up with bricks to get a submarine!
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    Alexander Zima (Alexander Zima) 28 July 2020 09: 44
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    The author just surprises me .... but if my neighbor constantly creates problems for me .. then he will not last long ... one night I will drive the bulldozer and level his hut to the ground .. and the neighbor will have one problem .. why so cruel.
    1. Oleg Shlyapin Offline
      Oleg Shlyapin (oleg shlyapin) 29 July 2020 01: 04
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      Does Ukraine RF create a problem or is it the other way around?
      1. 123 Offline
        123 (123) 29 July 2020 17: 44
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        Does Ukraine RF create a problem or is it the other way around?

        You create problems for yourself, and then look for extreme ones.
        1. Oleg Shlyapin Offline
          Oleg Shlyapin (oleg shlyapin) 29 July 2020 18: 48
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          No, this is not ourselves, this is the Russian Federation.
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            123 (123) 29 July 2020 19: 55
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            No, this is not ourselves, this is the Russian Federation.

            Putin shit in harem pants?
  7. Alexander Nazarov (Alexander Nazarov) 28 July 2020 16: 43
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    Well this is how many oars are needed, they will start translating the forest again! ))))))))
  8. Citizen Mѣshkov (Sergey G) 28 July 2020 21: 11
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    You ask: what is the threat?
    Nothing, except for the appearance of a larger number of objects for diving, which will beneficially serve the development of tourism in Crimea.
  9. Oleg Shlyapin Offline
    Oleg Shlyapin (oleg shlyapin) 29 July 2020 00: 27
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    1. Prospects for equipping the Ukrainian Navy with small submarines in the coming years are not being considered.
    2. The creation of a "mosquito fleet" is urgent. To do this, the United States will buy 16 new Mark-6 boats, the contract amount is $ 650 million and 20 French boats, 5 of which will be built by the private company Nibulon in Ukraine. Also, Ukraine will receive several second-hand Iceland boats as assistance - 6 units, I think. In addition, a number of boats "Gyurza-M" and "Centaur" were produced. A new type of Kaira-150 artillery boats is also being developed. In total, the "mosquito fleet" will have in its arsenal about 60-70 new boats and a certain number of used boats (about 10-12) received from the United States as military aid. Some of the American Mark-6 boats will be equipped with American anti-ship missiles. The issue of installation of Ukrainian anti-ship missiles "Neptune" on American boats "Iceland" is being considered.
    3. The next stage in the development of the VMU should be the construction of several missile boats - 3-5 units of the Vespa type with 8 Neptune anti-ship cruise missiles, and then the construction of 1-3 corvettes. Issues of obtaining from the United States 3-4 obsolete frigate-class ships and Harpoon anti-ship cruise missiles were considered, but so far this option will not be implemented.
    4. By May 2021, the coastal services of the Naval Forces of Ukraine should receive the first of the 3 coastal divisions of the Neptune anti-ship cruise missiles. In the 2021-2022 perspective, it is planned to have 1 division in the Azov Sea and 2 in the Black Sea with a total of 216 missiles.
    5. There are projects for the anti-ship supersonic missile "Molniya-1", the modernization of the anti-ship missiles Kh-29 and "Neptune" airborne. Also, the creation of short-range anti-ship missiles based on guided missiles "Alder-M" (up to 120 km) and the promising development of "Typhoon-4" (up to 200 km).
    6. The issue of replacement of aviation and helicopter fleet of the Ukrainian Navy is also being considered. The latter are planned to be replaced by European-made helicopters.
  10. Oleg Shlyapin Offline
    Oleg Shlyapin (oleg shlyapin) 29 July 2020 01: 22
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    For the period from 2014 to 2017, the Armed Forces received:
    Armored vehicles of all types - 3395 units;
    Rocket and artillery systems 2991 units;
    Radar, electronic warfare and communication systems 46 units;
    Aircraft of all types - 298 units;
    Naval equipment - 17 units.

    In 2019, 4876 units of equipment were transferred: 3889 new and modernized and 987 repaired, as well as 2327 engines, components and assemblies (as of December 20, 2019).
    1. 123 Offline
      123 (123) 29 July 2020 17: 53
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      Armored vehicles of all types - 3395 units; Rocket and artillery systems 2991 units;

      And how many gun barrels have been produced during this time? Have you learned to make normal steel for her?

      Repaired ... transferred ... It would be better if you took the troops away and stopped firing at your own. Even if you make 10 times more weapons, there will still be no sense.
      1. Oleg Shlyapin Offline
        Oleg Shlyapin (oleg shlyapin) 29 July 2020 18: 18
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        And no one shoots at his own people.
        1. 123 Offline
          123 (123) 29 July 2020 19: 54
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          And no one shoots at his own people.

          Are strangers in Donbass? Not yours? Did I understand correctly?
          1. Oleg Shlyapin Offline
            Oleg Shlyapin (oleg shlyapin) 29 July 2020 21: 15
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            Not ours. There are Russian troops. Why are they ours? Or the Girkin-Motorola gang.
            1. 123 Offline
              123 (123) 29 July 2020 21: 27
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              Not ours. There are Russian troops. Why are they ours? Or the Girkin-Motorola gang

              Life teaches you nothing. Collect further tanks, artillery, prepare for an offensive ... on a rake ...
              Doesn't it bother you that you are not their own for them either? They lived in their country, they did not order a coup, they did not elect a new government. Guests, such as the recently reclaimed Mikola, were not invited from Estonia, nor were Canadians or Americans. The fact that any punishers like "Azov" were legalized does not change the situation much either. By the way, how is Tornado? Are there already sentences or what?
              It’s not even funny about the Russian army, it’s there, then it’s about to attack, somehow they would have decided, or something.
              1. Oleg Shlyapin Offline
                Oleg Shlyapin (oleg shlyapin) 29 July 2020 22: 56
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                Sorry, but I am absolutely not interested in this nonsense from the Russian alternative reality. I do not discuss inscriptions on fences, walls of public toilets and "news" from the Russian media about "punishers", fascists, "junta" and other nonsense.
                1. 123 Offline
                  123 (123) 30 July 2020 11: 57
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                  Sorry, but I am absolutely not interested in this nonsense from the Russian alternative reality. I do not discuss inscriptions on fences, walls of public toilets and "news" from the Russian media about "punishers", fascists, "junta" and other nonsense.

                  But you write them on the fences about the Russian army. winked
              2. Oleg Shlyapin Offline
                Oleg Shlyapin (oleg shlyapin) 29 July 2020 23: 01
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                By the way, the article under discussion also has nothing to do with real plans for the development of the Ukrainian Navy. Also, for example, as well as "statements" about possible attacks on the Crimean bridge with "Neptune" cruise missiles or the forceful return of Crimea to Ukraine. As, in principle, everything that is written in the Russian media about Ukraine.
            2. Sapsan136 Offline
              Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 30 July 2020 08: 15
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              It suited your country when the gangs of Korchinsky, Bobrovich, Mazur and the like were engaged in banditry in Chechnya. Ukraine even had the audacity to refuse the RF prosecutor's office to extradite them. For the war against the Russian Federation in Ossetia in 2008, officers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine received apartments from the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine. And now you don't like Girkin and Motorola ... There is nothing to blame on the mirror if the face is crooked.
              1. Oleg Shlyapin Offline
                Oleg Shlyapin (oleg shlyapin) 30 July 2020 21: 06
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                These are your stories.
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                  Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 31 July 2020 07: 48
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                  My (fairy tales) are confirmed by the data of the FSB of the Russian Federation, and the journalists of the Russian Federation have already tracked down several of your warriors who received apartments from the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine for the war against the Russian Federation in Ossetia in 2008, so you can sell your fables in Zhmerenka of Lviv region, they will not be rolled out here.
  11. Oleg Shlyapin Offline
    Oleg Shlyapin (oleg shlyapin) 29 July 2020 17: 33
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    Quote: boriz
    And Ukraine is cheerfully heading towards collapse.

    For general development - Ukraine ranks 13th in the world in steel production, 12th in the world in the export of weapons and military equipment, 9th in the world production of pig iron, 7th in the world in grain production, 1st in the world in the production and export of sunflower oil , 1st place in Europe for the production of honey. And that's not all.
    1. 123 Offline
      123 (123) 30 July 2020 12: 21
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      And that’s not all.

      Ага. yes There are also migrant workers, in 2018 they brought in - 8% of GDP or 10 billion.
      1. Oleg Shlyapin Offline
        Oleg Shlyapin (oleg shlyapin) 30 July 2020 21: 05
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        So what? This is also positive for the Ukrainian economy.
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          123 (123) 30 July 2020 21: 57
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          So what? This is also positive for the Ukrainian economy.

          I just added to the list. hi

          I see you are an optimist. good If there is no work and millions go to work - this is positive, the industry is dying, which means that the air will be cleaner. Maybe you can see something big and bright in prostitution? Like - everyone is pleased, money is dripping and the birth rate rises?
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            Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 3 August 2020 19: 59
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            bully Thank you, laughed heartily. Five points.
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              123 (123) 3 August 2020 20: 33
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              Contact if that. hi
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    Oleg Shlyapin (oleg shlyapin) 29 July 2020 21: 57
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    Quote: 123
    This is what they plan to implement until 2025 maximum.

    The West will not give money for the development of the defense industry, but its own will not be enough. We somehow survived at the expense of Indian contracts, but they did something to the Arabs. What is Ukraine doing and to whom is it selling? With Lukashenka for two, you cannot become arms barons.

    Information about what Ukraine is selling to whom and how much on the arms and military equipment market is publicly available. How does Lukashenka look at Ukraine?
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      123 (123) 30 July 2020 12: 04
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      Information about what Ukraine is selling to whom and how much on the arms and military equipment market is publicly available. How does Lukashenka look at Ukraine?

      He is not sideways, long-faced. I'm talking about joint development and production of weapons.
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        Oleg Shlyapin (oleg shlyapin) 2 August 2020 23: 43
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        He is not sideways, long-faced. I'm talking about joint development and production of weapons.

        Well, there was a Skif anti-tank complex. Now this is not relevant. Either weapons are created with a completely Ukrainian cycle, or in cooperation with NATO countries. Well, or Western countries. Likewise with Israel, Saudi Arabia, etc.
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    Oleg Shlyapin (oleg shlyapin) 29 July 2020 23: 40
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    And how many gun barrels have been produced during this time? Have you learned to make normal steel for her?
    Renovated ... transferred ...

    Many types of weapons were not produced in Ukraine even during the times of the Ukrainian SSR. Much of what was produced was done according to the so-called all-Union cooperation. Therefore, based on the prevailing circumstances, many types of equipment that Ukraine inherited from the times of the USSR are being repaired and modernized. With regard to steel and barrels, work is underway, and there is some progress in a number of areas. For example, work is underway on a 155 mm long-range howitzer, created according to NATO standards "Bogdan". Production of barrels has been set up in Kharkov and is being tested, etc.
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    Oleg Shlyapin (oleg shlyapin) 30 July 2020 21: 07
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    Quote: Sapsan136
    For the war against the Russian Federation in Ossetia.

    And you can find out - what was the Russian Federation doing in Ossetia? This is the territory of Georgia and nobody invited you there.
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      Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 3 August 2020 14: 31
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      Firstly, Ukraine has pledged to abide by the treaty of friendship with the Russian Federation and it does not matter where the Russian Federation fought. Ossetia is not Ukraine, and Ukraine had no right to fight against the Russian Federation there, according to its obligations. This is a direct violation by Ukraine of the treaty of friendship and neutrality with the Russian Federation. Secondly, the Ossetian principalities were part of the Russian Empire separately from Georgia, and the Georgians have nothing to do in Ossetia!
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        Oleg Shlyapin (oleg shlyapin) 3 August 2020 15: 04
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        Firstly, Ukraine did not fight in Georgia, and secondly, whose cow would bellow about its obligations, and thirdly, it absolutely does not matter what is in Europe, which included before August 4, 1975. And fourthly, learn to write correctly in your language. wink
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          Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 3 August 2020 15: 12
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          ALL your Ukraine on the map of 1654, within the borders of which you crawled into Russia from Poland. That's where you command.
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            Oleg Shlyapin (oleg shlyapin) 3 August 2020 16: 35
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            I understood. Good luck.
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          Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 3 August 2020 20: 39
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          am Firstly, you are lying and the officers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine who fought against the Russian Federation on the side of Saakashvili were tracked down even by journalists from the Russian Federation, visiting them directly in the apartments received from the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine for the Russian aircraft shot down in Ossetia. Secondly, the leaders of your bandit formations such as Dmitro Korchinsky, Valery Bebik, Igor Mazur do not deny the participation of Ukraine and his own in the hostilities against the Russian Federation in the Caucasus. In addition, ALL your Ukraine on the map of 1654, within the borders of which your Ukraine came from Poland to Russia, and in other territories Ukraine is an occupier!
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    Oleg Shlyapin (oleg shlyapin) 2 August 2020 23: 41
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    Quote: 123
    So what? This is also positive for the Ukrainian economy.

    I just added to the list. hi

    I see you are an optimist. good If there is no work and millions go to work - this is positive, the industry is dying, which means that the air will be cleaner. Maybe you can see something big and bright in prostitution? Like - everyone is pleased, money is dripping and the birth rate rises?

    Understand what you want.
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    Oleg Shlyapin (oleg shlyapin) 2 August 2020 23: 45
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    My (fairy tales) are confirmed by the data of the FSB of the Russian Federation, and the journalists of the Russian Federation have already tracked down several of your warriors who received apartments from the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine for the war against the Russian Federation in Ossetia in 2008, so you can sell your fables in Zhmerenka of Lviv region, they will not be rolled out here.

    I'm not interested in fairy tales, even if they are told by the FSB of the Russian Federation wink
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      Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 3 August 2020 14: 34
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      You were not interested in this until Russia remembered all the wrongs inflicted by Ukraine. And now you whine, you don't like it. So it is their own fault, there was nothing to shit on Russia’s threshold ... And then, fighting in Chechnya and Ossetia against the Russian Federation, you were heroes, and fled from Crimea with wet pants, and in Donbass, every attack, then a boiler ...
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        Oleg Shlyapin (oleg shlyapin) 3 August 2020 16: 15
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        And what offenses did Ukraine inflict on the Russian Federation?

        Regarding the wet pants in Crimea, the Russian Federation acted as one of the "guarantors" of the security and territorial integrity of Ukraine. You are showing who you really are. So you have a lot to be proud of wink
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          Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 3 August 2020 19: 26
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          The Russian Federation guaranteed you all this before you started fighting against the Russian Federation in the Caucasus and gathered in NATO. Ukraine has not fulfilled its obligations on neutrality.
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    Oleg Shlyapin (oleg shlyapin) 2 August 2020 23: 48
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    On the topic, well, or let's just say, on the armament of the Ukrainian Navy

    In 2020-2021, the Ukrainian Navy will receive new patrol boats of two types - 16 American Mark VI and 20 French Ocea FPB 98. The acquisition will cost $ 760 million.

    Ukraine will receive six American ships free of charge, and the remaining 10 will be purchased for $ 600 million from the country's defense budget. 20 French boats will cost $ 160 million, while five vessels will be built at the Nibulon shipyard in Nikolaev, the rest at the OCEA Shipbuilding in France.

    https://nv.ua/ukraine/events/vmsu-v-2020-21-godah-poluchat-katera-iz-ssha-i-francii-foto-infografika-novosti-ukrainy-50103089.html
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    Sergey Shmelev (Sergey Shmelev) 3 August 2020 06: 03
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    Male Russians between the ages of 18 and 60 are generally not allowed to enter Ukraine. This is for reference. Judging by what was written, you have not been anywhere.

    "Was" is about the minister, not the author of the commentary.
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    Sergey Shmelev (Sergey Shmelev) 3 August 2020 06: 05
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    For the war against the Russian Federation in Ossetia.

    And you can find out - what was the Russian Federation doing in Ossetia? This is the territory of Georgia and nobody invited you there.

    Learn materiel. We were there by the decision of the UN, a peacekeeping contingent, blue helmets. And when the Georgians attacked our battalion, they got it in the horns.
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      Oleg Shlyapin (oleg shlyapin) 3 August 2020 14: 45
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      First - poke your grandmother, second - besides you, no one considers your occupation troops to be "peacekeepers" and no UN gave them the authority to invade Georgia. And thirdly, for Russians, the subject of special pride is a "victory" over a 100 times smaller area and 30 times smaller in terms of population by Georgia or the occupation and annexation of the Ukrainian Crimea or the bombing of civilians in Syria. But one day it will backfire. This was already the case with the USSR, which won valiant victories over the Poles, Finns, Romanians, Estonians, Latvians and Lithuanians in 1939-41. And then it backfired on both the victors and the liberators.
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        Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 3 August 2020 15: 03
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        First. Bandera are rabid dogs and deserve only the death penalty, not respect.
        Second. For NATO, a point of pride is the victory over Yugoslavia, and for the United States over tiny Grenada, so you can go and complain about the Russian Federation to the nearest Lviv pub.
        Third. Since you are so weak and small, there was nothing for Russia to shit, and since you made a mess, have the courage to answer for your insolence and your fascist actions!
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          Oleg Shlyapin (oleg shlyapin) 3 August 2020 16: 34
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          1. Have you seen at least one Bandera in real life? At least one Bandera member was in the RSFSR or the Russian Federation?
          2. What does NATO's actions, which were in Serbia, not Yugoslavia, have to do with my country?
          3. And what does Ukraine shit on the Russian Federation?
          4. What is the attitude of a democratic Ukraine to the fascists?
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            Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 3 August 2020 19: 33
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            I saw them, mostly dead, mainly in Tskhinvali, but also in Chechnya. By the way, your Dmitro Korchinsky, Valery Bobrovich, Igor Mazur and other leaders of your gangs do not deny the participation of Ukraine and their personal in the war against the Russian Federation in the Caucasus. There were also officers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine who fought there, in particular, the officers of the Air Defense of Ukraine who fought against the Russian Federation on the side of Georgia. Here are your sailors, along with missile boats, the Russian Black Sea Fleet drowned under Georgian flags. Isn't Chechnya a part of the RSFSR and the Russian Federation ?! Yours there fought against the Russian Federation. Isn't fighting against the Russian Federation on the side of Dudayev, Basayev and Saakashvili against the Russian Federation? I'm not even talking about the participation of your scumbags in the preparation of terrorist acts in Moscow, together with their Maskhadov friends. Yes, your whole country is fascists, Ukraine did not even stand next to democracy.
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              Oleg Shlyapin (oleg shlyapin) 3 August 2020 20: 30
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              Well, it was hard to expect anything else. wink
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                Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 3 August 2020 20: 33
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                And what did you expect that Russia will write off everything and it will be possible to blame it for everything ?! No, you misled the Ramses, Russia has a good memory and will have no options to answer for all the crimes committed against it and its indigenous population! stop
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                  Oleg Shlyapin (oleg shlyapin) 3 August 2020 20: 40
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                  It so happens that it is better not to write or say anything - you can pass for a smart one. smile
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                    Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 3 August 2020 20: 41
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                    You see, but you don't follow this advice, that's why everyone can see how you ... well, you understand me. laughing The impudence of Ukraine and the UKROPs, like you, of course, does not hold, but impudence is punishable. soldier
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    Oleg Shlyapin (oleg shlyapin) 3 August 2020 20: 52
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    You see, but you don't follow this advice, that's why everyone can see how you ... well, you understand me. laughing The impudence of Ukraine and the UKROPs, like you, of course, does not hold, but impudence is punishable. soldier

    It's scary when the face of a huge country is represented by people like you.
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    Sergey Shmelev (Sergey Shmelev) 4 August 2020 23: 25
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    First - poke your grandmother, second - besides you, no one considers your occupation troops to be "peacekeepers" and no UN gave them the authority to invade Georgia. And thirdly, for Russians, the subject of special pride is a "victory" over a 100 times smaller area and 30 times smaller in terms of population by Georgia or the occupation and annexation of the Ukrainian Crimea or the bombing of civilians in Syria. But one day it will backfire. This was already the case with the USSR, which won valiant victories over the Poles, Finns, Romanians, Estonians, Latvians and Lithuanians in 1939-41. And then it backfired on both the victors and the liberators.

    - do not confuse the pedals. You asked about Ossetia, I answered. We were there by the decision of the UN. Learn materiel.
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    Step67 (Stepan) 5 August 2020 18: 06
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    Threatens to sink this fleet!