Expert: Armenia suddenly remembered about Russia when it felt danger

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For a long time, Russophobia has been encouraged in Armenia. But now Yerevan suddenly remembered Moscow, when he felt the real danger emanating from Baku. This opinion was expressed on his Telegram channel by a Russian journalist, VGTRK employee, expert and deputy of the Moscow City Duma (since 2019) Andrei Medvedev.

In Armenia, in recent years, it was not just a tendency to water Russia with slop. At all possible levels, Russia was called the occupier. Completely forgetting that Armenia and Armenians were saved in the 19th century by Russian troops

- the journalist wrote.



Medvedev noted that the liberation of Armenians from the Persian oppression was abundantly watered with Russian blood. At the same time, modern Armenia studiously forgot about Karyagin and Kotlyarevsky, deliberately removing references from history textbooks.

The situation is exactly the same with the mention of the battle of Sardarapat in 1918, when Turkish troops invaded Armenia. Official Yerevan ignored the participation of officers of the Russian Imperial Army, although if the battle had been lost, the mention of Armenia would have survived only in the form of a term of historical geography.

But in Armenia there is a cult of Hitler's punisher, officer of the SS legion Garegin Nzhdeh. “He who dies for Germany dies for Armenia.” His words. Monuments, streets of his name, coins with his profile. How is this different from the cult of the UPA / Shukhevych / Bandera? Nothing

- emphasizes the journalist.

Medvedev believes that the "cult of Nzhdeh" is the ideology of the ruling party in this country. At the same time, the Russian Embassy in Yerevan is watching all this in silence. Therefore, Moscow needs to decide how beneficial such relations are for it.

Strategically, Russia has essentially no interests in Armenia. The military base is no longer needed at all in Moscow, but in Yerevan

- argues the journalist.

According to the journalist, Russia's military presence in Syria and the presence of Caliber missiles in the Caspian Sea balance the loss of Armenian Gyumri.

Medvedev suggested recalling the British principle of “no permanent friends, permanent interests” and the Russian “about the army and navy.”

The time is hard. Altruism is not held in high esteem. You can help. The question is for what. Russian interests matter

- summarizes the journalist.
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  1. +17
    19 July 2020 20: 55
    All republics of the former USSR belong to the Russian Federation exclusively in consumer terms, recalling Russia only when they need something from Russia and at the same time have the audacity to water Russia and Russian slops. As for me, it’s time to stop spending Russia’s nerves and money on these countries and their natives, and Armenia should pay Russia for the military base of the Russian Federation in Armenia.
  2. +8
    19 July 2020 21: 00
    The Russian Embassy in Yerevan is silently observing all this.

    And Lavrov for this and put the Foreign Ministry to lead. But Medvedev is the same as Lavrov, only he notes the facts. And how can one not remember Stalin!

    You criticize - offer, offer - do, do - answer!
    1. +9
      19 July 2020 21: 51
      And why do not you cite the example of your mustachioed tractor driver - where is his help, participation in this conflict, where is his mediation?
      Or all that he is capable of is to seek contributions to his economy from Russia, where you personally took refuge, and are only able to whine that Russia sponsors his regime little and poorly.
      Awww, where are you, the great tractor driver and where is your participation?
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  4. +15
    19 July 2020 22: 09
    Wah! And thousands of American diplomats in Yerevan, where will the "proud Armenian people" go? Every American diplomat about an Armenian who licks American shoes? (This is, apparently, the ultimate goal of the Armenian government?)
    1. +2
      20 July 2020 13: 12
      There are more American diplomats in Russia, and there are more officials in the Russian government whose children and wives are US citizens. What are you talking about, King 3214.
      1. 0
        20 July 2020 15: 04
        List at least ten.
      2. -1
        21 July 2020 13: 53
        Well, yes))), given that the population and size of Russia are equal to Armenia))), there are more amerskih diplomats in Russia!))) Don't be ridiculous! And about the children and wives of our officials, I am worried in vain. Today they are officials, and tomorrow they are defendants))), even if their offspring and wives live in America, it will be calmer for us)))
  5. +17
    19 July 2020 23: 10
    Why should we help them? A lot of them live with us. Both those and others. Let them go to their homeland, each to his own, and fight.
    Or what, they hope that we will shed blood for one of them? And here they will again find fault with us: you do not help us, you help poorly. Let's all go ... to the bathhouse. The guys themselves will breathe more freely in Russia ...
  6. 0
    20 July 2020 01: 24
    These Armenians - they are such Armenians ... laughing lol
  7. +9
    20 July 2020 08: 07
    I’m learning about many things about Armenia for the first time and I think that Russia should finally decide on its friends. After all, many of the former turned out to be traitors and werewolves, only now, showing their true mean faces and actions. I think, let them lie under the Yankees, and the time will come, find out the price of a pound of dashing. Russia should be tough on such "allies" and put everything in its place!
    1. +3
      20 July 2020 15: 05
      Countries don't have "friends." "Friendly country" is a propaganda stamp.
  8. -2
    20 July 2020 10: 11
    Russophobia?
    So recently there was a maidan (according to the media). The Kremlin gave them money, gave credit, gave weapons.
    Immediately Maidan somewhere from the media disappeared.

    They didn't remember something about Russophobia when they gave money ...
  9. +5
    20 July 2020 12: 40
    To hell with all the brothers and sisters! Only the interests of RUSSIAN CITIZENS!
  10. -1
    20 July 2020 14: 44
    For a long time Russophobia has been encouraged in Armenia.

    But in Armenia there is a cult of Hitler's punisher, SS Legion officer Garegin Nzhdeh

    You can not read further.

    1. Russophobia in Armenia has never been encouraged. Not once in 30 years of its independence. 90% of Armenians understand Russian, a quarter of the nation speaks Russian fluently. Russian cable TV channels are the highest rated in Armenia. Russian tourism is booming in Armenia. In every bookstore, a good half of the shelves are books in Russian. There are Russian schools and kindergartens. Most Armenian web resources have a Russian-language translation.

    2. Few people in Armenia are proud of Garegin Nzhdeh for his relationship with Nazi Germany. And he certainly was never an SS punisher or officer. He maintained contacts with Hitler with one single purpose - to prevent a possible Turkish invasion of the territory of Armenia. He never preached Nazism in Armenia. Nzhdeh is a national hero for a completely different reason - for his contribution to the struggle for the independence of Armenia.
    1. +3
      20 July 2020 23: 58
      Quote: Jason Chen
      He never preached Nazism in Armenia. Nzhdeh is a national hero for a completely different reason - for his contribution to the struggle for the independence of Armenia.

      From whom?
      Well, independence is good. Yes, sir. Well, let them solve their problems "independently", that is, by themselves. And then Russia. With the "fraternal peoples", I am for an extremely pragmatic approach - is it profitable or not profitable, and Russia should be more profitable. There are many "fraternal" ones, but Russia is one.
    2. +2
      22 July 2020 11: 47
      Russian cable TV channels are the highest rated in Armenia.

      https://vz.ru/world/2020/7/18/1050423.html

      Russophobia in Armenia has never been encouraged. Not once in 30 years of its independence.

      “... The measure of patriotic feelings is the degree of rejection of everything Russian: that is, the more I hate the Russian language, Russian books, Russian programs, Russian newspapers, etc., the more patriot I am” (Respublika Armenia, 1991, No. 32) ...

      The Russian edition in the leading state publishing house of the republic was liquidated, and the first politically colored act of vandalism regarding the monument to Pushkin was committed in Armenia; almost simultaneously, a monument to Chekhov was demolished.

      And after gaining independence, nowhere else, even in the Baltic states, Russian schools were closed so massively and unconditionally as in Armenia (only Western Ukraine is an analogy).
  11. +6
    20 July 2020 16: 18
    Wisdom and providence, political will and long-term prospects - this is what our leadership lacks ....
    To collect all immigrants of the citizens of Armenia and Azerbaijan in all cities of Russia and simply bring information to them - an ultimatum ...
    Either you, both countries, are fighting in Nagorno-Karabakh ... killing each other .. or all deliveries of vegetables, fruits, and all agricultural products are prohibited + transit through the territory of the Russian Federation becomes paid with the right to ban ....
    And to give out very hot heads on both sides with weapons and shovels, and an ultimatum - either wet each other in Nagorno-Karabakh, or shovels in your hands and cultivate and cultivate the land.
  12. -1
    20 July 2020 17: 15
    Something in this article smacks of provocation. I don’t know, I didn’t live in Armenia, but I know for sure that it was the Russians who saved the Armenians from the Turkish genocide. I don't think the Armenians have forgotten about it. And so they are now sovereign states. Let them figure it out. Why would Moscow interfere? The question is different. Why does Armenia have so many opponents? Turks climb to help Azerbaijan. Kazakhstan, like, supports. Something is not clean here.
  13. +9
    20 July 2020 18: 21
    Russia has neither brothers nor sisters! Everyone just wants to take a bite from Russia, to live at its expense. Tired !!! Why do the children of immigrants from the mentally distant republics of the East have the right to Russian citizenship? Yes, they don't even know Russian, but they only come to give birth! And then on our streets they start slaughtering sheep and they tell us that we must be tolerant! And I don't want the mustachioed and bearded uncles to slaughter sheep in front of my granddaughter. I was born here, and this is not accepted here! This is my home and live according to our customs! It's not me who came to you!
  14. It's time to leave Armenia - why do we need them? And all the Armenians from Russia - to drive in the neck!
    1. -1
      20 July 2020 22: 58
      But about the "neck" - the problem. They are already citizens of the Russian Federation.
  15. +1
    20 July 2020 20: 05
    So, historically, these independent ... do. Have you decided to sell yourself to the Americans? And then they decided to play as liberals in the Caucasus and betray their ally-savior ... I think it is clear that you are just pendyk without us, and the Americans will not save you. What kind of idiots do you have to not understand this and feel once again the genocide?
    But they swore an oath of loyalty (Queen Tamara, they asked us for protection ...), but turned out to be like venal rogules. Got the Georgians? Did the Ukrainians get it for treason? Why do you think that you will pass this? Yes, the Azerbaijanis will break you with the Turks. Only we will give orders, in Sochi and Moscow you will hang out and kiss Putin's feet. We know, passed .... Why did you forget that?
  16. -1
    20 July 2020 21: 08
    This tirade often consists of clumsy, superficial generalizations and outright lies. A sample, at best, of low-quality journalism, or perhaps just an order. And it was made, it seems, in the form of a commentary on Margarita Simonyan's statements, which is also not entirely factually correct.

    I also think that today in Armenia there is a very controversial figure in power, arousing suspicion and doing a lot of dubious things.
    But Russia is not being watered with any mud there, and, moreover, they are not using absurd terms like "occupiers." I'm sure if anyone has heard of this, it was 30 years ago. True, there are grant suckers and a certain type of nervous, twitchy patriots with apocalyptic views who are not able to overcome historical grievances, but even they do not operate with such concepts. According to a recent poll mentioned in the Military Review, the level of support for Putin reaches 67% - 2-3rd place in the world along with Kazakhstan. Is this a sign of hostility towards Russia?

    The fact that Russia saved (in a broad historical sense) Armenians from even greater troubles, NOBODY there forgets and will never forget, as well as the numerous exploits of the Russian warrior. Andrei Medvedev quite awkwardly recalls the Sardarapat battle - this is when, after the surrender of the Armenian lands by the Bolsheviks, liberated from the Turks at the end of the 19th century, and the retreat of Russian troops. the Turks rushed north in May 1918 to complete the genocide.
    As the quote, copied by the author from Wikipedia, says, in case of defeat, only sound would remain from Armenia. But in the course of several battles on the territory of today's RA, the beast was defeated. About three hundred Russian soldiers and officers remained faithful to the honor of uniform and conscience, heroically and brilliantly took part in battles and covered their names with eternal glory. Undoubtedly, their feat deserves more respect, appreciation and admiration, but it is completely unfair to say that in Armenia it is consigned to oblivion. Every May in the Armenian press, at least in the Russian language, a lot of articles are published about the contribution of Russian soldiers to those historic victories. In Russia, unfortunately, almost no one remembers this. The mention of Sardarapat by Andrey Medvedev even pleasantly surprised me.

    As for Garegin Nzhdeh, as rightly noted in one of the comments, he was a collaborationist symbolic and only out of the need to prevent the possibility of a final genocide by the hands of the Germans. After all, the Turks whispered nonsense to Hitler in the spirit that the Armenians are Semites. I would like to add that Garegin Nzhdeh was also a courageous and talented officer who was awarded several orders of the Russian Empire for his participation in the First World War and, if I am not mistaken, Bulgaria for his contribution to the Balkan wars. When Nzhdeh voluntarily surrendered to the Soviet authorities, he was charged, not of betrayal, but of the execution of the Bolsheviks during the uprising he organized in the south of today's Armenia. However, he executed mainly Turks who pretended to be Bolsheviks.
    In the full text of his statement A.M. reports that Garegin Nzhdeh is the main symbolic figure of the ruling party in Armenia - a negligence illustrating the low level of all his reasoning. This figure is loved by the Republican Party of Armenia, which has not been in power for two years.

    I would also add this: it is completely fair to talk about the colossal role that Russia played in the preservation of the Armenian people and in the restoration of its (partial) statehood, about unforgettable military exploits and those who fell on the battlefield - about all this, no matter what A. M., no one forgets. But after all, hundreds of thousands of Armenians stained the Russian land with their blood in wars, which were also common, without thinking about such things as gratitude, memory or oblivion.
    1. +1
      22 July 2020 18: 21
      But Russia is not being watered with any mud there, and, moreover, they are not using absurd terms like "occupiers." I'm sure if anyone has heard of this, it was 30 years ago.


      Photo 2016 years
      1. 0
        22 July 2020 19: 13
        Are you sure it's not computer graphics? If not, then it is highly regrettable and deserving of condemnation. But this is no better and no worse than those nastiness that rush towards Armenians and Armenia, including among the local comments.
        1. +1
          22 July 2020 22: 26
          These are rallies in Yerevan on April 15, 2016. After the April battles.
          Note that it is not from Azerbaijani commentators that nasty things are rushing. To whom I refer myself.
          This is the objectivity that Russia itself has created. I can tell you about the situation in Azerbaijan. Yes, we do not have Russophobia at the official level. Rather the opposite. Almost the entire ruling elite speaks and considers Russian, if not native, then the second. And he owns it very well. But young people already know him poorly. Yet 30 years have passed. This is already a generation. Despite the large number of Russian schools. It's just that this language is not in demand. Those who want to make a career are learning English. Those who want to trade on Russian markets know conversational primitive Russian. They will not read Pushkin. But our people will not read Byron and Dickens in English either.
          There is a primitivization of language, followed by culture and education. This is unfortunate. I can say that in the course of lectures in the magistracy, masters could not study special literature in Russian. I had to give lectures in English. But most people know only office and team English. It is difficult to read special literature.
          I am more than sure that in all republics (independent countries) there is a degradation of culture and education. Now they are trying to translate as much literature as possible into the Azerbaijani language. But how much labor and time are needed .... This is practically the entire layer of science and culture for 2000 years.
          I'm sorry, but this is reality.
          ----
          As for Armenia, I do not want to consider all your statements. Most of them are wrong. The Armenians and I are neighbors and almost relatives. And we know them much better. As they do us.

          1. +2
            22 July 2020 22: 54
            For a better understanding of the history of the issue, I recommend a book by a neutral author. So to speak, a view from the outside. Russians will not like some provisions, but I urge to look only at the facts and not really focus on emotional assessments. The value of this work is that at the end of each chapter, an interpretation of events from both sides is given.

            Justin McCarthy, Carolyn McCarthy "Turks and Armenians. A Guide to the Armenian Question"

            https://www.erevangala500.com/upload/pdf/1323992951.pdf
            1. +1
              24 July 2020 16: 58
              Isn't this Justin McCarthy, who is an ardent (and, I suspect, not entirely disinterested) Turkophile and genocide denier? Then you don't have to bother with the details ... I can imagine, however, what it would be like if he dared to deny the Holocaust.

              As for the erroneousness of my words, I can fully imagine the above counterarguments and with a high degree of probability I could have brought them myself instead of you. But to do it in cold blood, remaining within the framework of a civilized and polite discussion, is a little difficult. So really, not worth it.

              As for those two fools with their idiotic poster, I took the trouble to figure it out. For the information of other readers, they are walking on behalf of the very type who has been employed as prime minister for two years now, and cooperation with Russia has not suffered at all and has even become more effective, no one falls under the Americans, provocative hysterics in the spirit of Medvedev's turn out to be an empty sound. And Putin's rating is still 67%.
              1. +2
                24 July 2020 18: 06
                As you wish. It is your right to accept or not accept data.
                Another thing is interesting. When there is nothing to answer to the specialist, the expressions "I do not read the name because he is not the one I like" are used.
                J. McCarthy is the largest specialist orientalist in the States. In addition to him, the letter denying the Genocide was signed by almost fifty more scholarly historians of America. But since you do not want to admit these facts, then I will not argue. It's your right. It's just that I cannot adopt your method - not to acknowledge the facts if I do not like the author. I read everyone, whether I like the author or not.
                Do you want to explain where the nearly one and a half million Muslims from the regions of Eastern Anatolia have gone? Isn't this genocide?

                This link is for you to cheer up.

                https://topcor.ru/15727-pochemu-vmesto-azerbajdzhana-armenija-nachala-voevat-s-russkim-jazykom.html

                And this is 2019

                1. 0
                  24 July 2020 19: 08
                  Generally speaking, this photo gives cheerfulness, apparently, not to me. And then in vain - the Russian army will not go anywhere.

                  And her subtext is not at all the same as you and the editors who cynically put her in the wrong place with their feet think - this, judging by the portraits in the hands, is a demonstration about a monstrous crime when a private from a Russian base shot a family of six people from a machine gun, including a baby ... It is still not known what motivated the scumbag, he was, it seems, transferred to Russian justice. In the wake of such a deed, you can write something else on a poster.
                  1. 0
                    24 July 2020 19: 25
                    Or maybe they are also about the monstrous crime when a private from a Russian base beat a cleaning lady to death ... in the same city ...
                  2. +1
                    24 July 2020 22: 55
                    “Cynical” is a strong phrase ... There are such sentiments in Armenia. As is the story with Russian TV channels. I have not conducted surveys and cannot say about the percentage. I just state that there are such sentiments. If you don’t want to admit it, I repeat. This is your own business.
                    -----
                    About the video. There are statements that the base should remain, and there is also a poster "keep your animals in a cage." Do you want to think that Armenia is Russia's ally? You will be disappointed.
                    The problem is that Azerbaijan is not Russia's ally (to my regret. But this is my personal opinion, which does not change anything). But Azerbaijan at least does not falsely assert allied relations. The leadership of Azerbaijan speaks of mutual benefit, partnership, but does not demand from Russia to protect it.
                    ----
                    Closing the topic. I have said many times that I like the current situation. Provocations and shelling will continue. This is the front line and there will always be trouble there. But on the whole, I like that Armenia is in political and economic isolation. Until they grow wiser, they will degrade. And drift west from Russia.
                    1. -1
                      25 July 2020 14: 34
                      You ran into rudeness for a long time and now you will get it. You have posted on the Internet a photo of people outraged by crimes committed by genuine animals, which belong in a cage, under a typically deceitful sauce! This is not just cynicism, but bestiality, for which in a face-to-face conversation it is not surprising to get more than a verbal insult.

                      Regarding Russia's relations with Armenia, they constantly forgot to ask you.

                      For provocations and shelling, which pleases you so much, you will continue to receive it, like last week, the further, the stronger. And without any help from Russia, which, in fact, no one asked for - no matter what the "experts" like Medvedev paid for by your relatives may whistle about - but only with weapons purchased from her.

                      Farewell, pleasant dreams about "degradation"!
                      1. -1
                        25 July 2020 15: 38
                        Rudeness has never been treated. As well as bestiality, which you are endowed with in full. Degradation is visible precisely from this post.

                        So I'm not surprised by anything. And for some reason I was sure that I was speaking with an Armenian.
  17. +3
    20 July 2020 21: 14
    There is no need for war .. I don’t know about Moscow, but Sochi will not be able to handle the Armenian refugees, there are slightly fewer Armenians there than in Yerevan ..
  18. +3
    21 July 2020 08: 58
    Actually, it is Armenia that should hold on to Russia, and not vice versa. 2500 employees of the American embassy in Yerevan brought Pashinyan to power, the Armenian media fed by them work day and night to the tune of the State Department, vilifying Russia and the Russians in every way, accusing them of all sins. The people in Armenia fully support such a policy towards Russians and Russia. Isn't it time to reconsider political and economic relations in this regard, and to equate Armenia with Georgia? Until the closure of the embassy, ​​the termination of air traffic, to end all trade relations? Why are Armenians better than Georgians now? ..
  19. 0
    21 July 2020 09: 08
    Quote: alexprint1
    The Armenian media fed by them work day and night to the tune of the State Department, vilifying Russia and the Russians in every way, accusing them of all sins. The people in Armenia fully support such a policy towards Russians and Russia.

    Bring proofs
    1. 0
      25 July 2020 21: 52
      Quote: Jason Chen
      Quote: alexprint1
      The Armenian media fed by them work day and night to the tune of the State Department, vilifying Russia and the Russians in every way, accusing them of all sins. The people in Armenia fully support such a policy towards Russians and Russia.

      Bring proofs

      Catch ...

      The Armenian Parliament this week approved the draft law "On Audiovisual Media", within the framework of which the cleaning of the country's information space from "foreign influence" will be organized. We are talking about the withdrawal of a number of channels from the free state network, as well as about dubbing programs into Armenian or using subtitles.
      Prior to this, one American (CNN) and four Russian channels had privileges: Channel One, Russia, Kultura and Mir. The latter functions on the basis of a bilateral agreement between Moscow and Yerevan.

      https://yandex.ru/turbo/s/tsargrad.tv/news/vse-russkoe-zapretit-v-armenii-prinjali-politicheskoe-reshenie_267915
  20. +1
    21 July 2020 12: 27
    Quote: Roothnev
    Have you decided to sell yourself to the Americans?

    Indicate the objective reason that prompted you to this idea. You didn’t limit yourself to one provocative article, making a conclusion, in fact?
  21. 0
    22 July 2020 04: 22
    Maybe Russian soldiers will have enough to fight for the interests of other peoples. Let them themselves know how to defend their independence. Russia receives only spitting and insults for this. Russia only needs to strengthen its borders and increase the Slavic population. Otherwise, while the Russian guys are dying in the "Libyans and Syria", the vastness of Russia will be settled by people from Central Asia and the Caucasus.
  22. 0
    25 July 2020 15: 51
    Sergey Minasyan - Doctor of Political Sciences, Deputy Director of the Caucasus Institute (Yerevan).

    A stereotypical and “strategic inertia” approach to relations with Armenia prevails in Moscow. It consists in the fact that, despite the contradictory external context, Russian-Armenian relations will in any case overcome tactical differences, even taking into account Yerevan's dissatisfaction with such a key area for it as the intensified military-technical cooperation between Russia and Azerbaijan. Apparently, Moscow proceeds from the fact that, taking into account the geographical, political, military-strategic, economic context, the current parameters of bilateral relations are almost uncontested for Yerevan.

    It is quite possible that as long as Yerevan is interested in cheap weapons, security guarantees, energy resources and investments, and Moscow needs a reliable strategic partner guaranteeing its military-political presence in the Caucasus, this scheme can work. However, in today's dynamically changing world, even the simplest and most stable schemes of strategic interaction between states can very quickly disappear if the parties do not pay attention to the existing "red lines" and the interests of their partners. The Ukrainian crisis was most vividly demonstrated when, in less than a year, all the schemes and mechanisms of post-Soviet interaction between Russia and Ukraine collapsed, which seemed stable for almost a quarter of a century, when the parties passed, without even noticing it, the “point of no return”.
  23. 0
    29 July 2020 11: 27
    We ourselves (the Russians) should look at ourselves rather than condemn someone. We fight like dogs ourselves. The regions hate Moscow or St. Petersburg. But for some reason, the "poor" from the regions buy apartments in the capital and move. The bureaucrats spread rot on the entire Russian people. When we have a united people in Russia, the former will think before what to say about Russia.
    PS Armenians and Azerbaijanis in Russia have seized all the money places and we work for them. They set conditions for us, and we just wipe the snot.