“Surf” in a puddle: Ukrainians about the Russian helicopter carrier being built in Kerch


July 16, 2020, at the Zaliv plant in Kerch (Crimea), the laying of the first universal landing helicopter carrier project 23900 “Surf” is due to take place, writes the Ukrainian information and consulting company Defense Express.


DE notes that a ship with a maximum displacement of 25 thousand tons should receive the name "Sevastopol". It is intended for the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Federation. In total, it is planned to build two such ships for the needs of the Navy. The history of this project is closely connected with the French UDK type Mistral, with a displacement of almost 22 thousand tons.

After the French refused to cooperate in 2015, the Russians finalized the project. It is known that Russian ships will be slightly larger than French, but their exact characteristics are not disclosed. The construction of two units by 2027 and their commissioning is estimated at $ 1,4 billion.

It is specified that the Zaliv factory has not built such ships before. He specialized in the creation of patrol ships and tankers. It was there that the only ice-class Sevmorput nuclear-powered lighter carrier was created.

According to DE, the Surf ships may be stuck in a puddle. That is, in the opinion of the Ukrainian publication, the Soviet admirals called the Black Sea - they say, ships of such a displacement there simply has nothing to do. Therefore, they passed the Bosphorus only once - when they went from the slipway to the place of permanent service.

Russia plans to use the future Sevastopol not only in the Black Sea, for which it is really big, but also in the Mediterranean Sea. There, he must, together with the Moscow missile cruiser, perform various tasks. At the same time, Ankara, given the conflict of interest, could harm Moscow's plans. According to the Montreux Convention, there is a restriction on the passage of ships through the Black Sea Straits, “which are intended primarily for the transport and use of decked aircraft at sea”.

The USSR Black Sea Fleet had two anti-submarine helicopter carriers, based in the Black Sea. However, Turkey then agreed with the position of the USSR that these are just anti-submarine ships with the possibility of placing aircraft and therefore they can pass through the straits. However, now Ankara can change its point of view.
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  1. Satellite Offline
    Satellite (Satellite) 16 July 2020 12: 42
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    According to the Montreux Convention, there is a restriction on the passage of ships through the Black Sea Straits, “which are intended primarily for the transport and use of deck-based aviation at sea”.

    The author did not indicate for whom these restrictions exist.

    ..convention establishes a different mode of passage of warships for the fleets of the Black Sea and non-Black Sea states. Subject to prior notification by the Turkish authorities, the Black Sea states may navigate their warships of any class through the straits in peacetime.

    Wikipedia
    1. Kristallovich Offline
      Kristallovich (Ruslan) 16 July 2020 13: 26
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      “..The convention establishes a different mode of passage for warships for the fleets of the Black Sea and non-Black Sea states. Subject to prior notification by the Turkish authorities, the Black Sea states may navigate their warships of any class through the straits in peacetime .. ”

      This is not true. Some restrictions apply to the Black Sea states. In particular, the passage of ships with a nuclear power plant. The same applies to aircraft carriers.
      1. Satellite Offline
        Satellite (Satellite) 16 July 2020 13: 35
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        But will these helicopter carriers have a nuclear power plant?
        1. Kristallovich Offline
          Kristallovich (Ruslan) 16 July 2020 13: 38
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          Read my post carefully.
          1. Satellite Offline
            Satellite (Satellite) 16 July 2020 13: 48
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            And you read mine.

            ... Black Sea states can navigate their warships of any class through the straits in peacetime ..

            Black Sea states - of any class.
            Limitations are for non-Black Sea states. Or will you show in the convention a place that says the opposite?
            1. Kristallovich Offline
              Kristallovich (Ruslan) 16 July 2020 14: 18
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              Article 11

              Powers that are coastal to the Black Sea are permitted to navigate through the Straits their battleships of tonnage in excess of the tonnage provided for in the first paragraph of Article 14, provided that these ships sail through the Straits alone, escorted by no more than two destroyers.

              An aircraft carrier is not a battleship. Appendix II of the Convention contains a description of the ships.

              1. Battleships are surface warships belonging to one of the following subclasses:

              a) surface warships other than aircraft carriers, auxiliary ships or battleships of subclass b) whose standard displacement is greater than 10000 tons (10460 metric tons) or which have guns of a caliber above 203 millimeters (8 inches);

              b) surface warships other than aircraft carriers with a standard displacement of not more than 8000 tons (8128 metric tons) and which have guns of a caliber above 203 millimeters (8 inches).

              In other words, aircraft carriers are excluded.

              Link to the convention: http://docs.cntd.ru/document/901884247
              1. Satellite Offline
                Satellite (Satellite) 16 July 2020 16: 19
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                In other words, aircraft carriers are excluded.

                I have no such information. Show the source. I have this:

                The document regulates in detail the passage of warships through the straits, putting ships of the Black Sea states in an advantageous position in comparison with others. The Black Sea powers have the right to navigate through the straits in peacetime (subject to prior notification to the Turkish authorities) any of their warships (Articles 11, 12,13, 10). For warships of non-Black Sea powers, the Convention establishes class restrictions, allowing passage through the straits of small surface ships, small combat and auxiliary vessels (Article XNUMX).

                The procedure and terms for warning the Turkish government about any impending passage of warships through the straits are established (Article 13).

                The total maximum tonnage of all ships of foreign naval groups that may be in transit through the straits should not exceed 15 tons (Article 000). The total tonnage of warships of non-Black Sea states in the Black Sea may not exceed 14 tons (with the possibility of increasing this maximum to 30 tons in the event of an increase in the number of the Navy of the Black Sea countries) with a stay of no more than twenty-one days (Article 000).

                https://ria.ru/20160720/1470115652.html

                It does not say anything about restrictions for the Black Sea countries with regard to individual ships.
                1. Kristallovich Offline
                  Kristallovich (Ruslan) 17 July 2020 08: 39
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                  I gave you the convention itself as a source. Eyes develop
                  1. Satellite Offline
                    Satellite (Satellite) 17 July 2020 10: 00
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                    Eyes develop

                    What an intelligent form of communication!) Apparently, you were poorly educated in childhood. Would you like to apologize for being rude?
                    I read your link. Nothing that you say is written there. As for aircraft carriers, it’s only that when passing through the strait it is forbidden to use these aircraft. Otherwise, all restrictions on tonnage and ship types are exclusively for non-Black Sea states.
                    1. Kristallovich Offline
                      Kristallovich (Ruslan) 17 July 2020 10: 03
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                      One more time:

                      Powers adjacent to the Black Sea are permitted to navigate through the Straits their battleships of tonnage in excess of tonnage provided for in the first paragraph of Article 14.

                      We are talking about coastal states, that is, including Russia. And it's about battleships, to whom the aircraft carrier does not belong! Read appendix II. If you have no substantive arguments, I consider this dispute to be closed. Your own thoughts are not interesting to me.
                      1. Satellite Offline
                        Satellite (Satellite) 17 July 2020 10: 08
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                        Why are you hooked on these battleships? And if the convention had been written 200 years earlier, you would give Barks and Galleys as an example. Read this convention carefully, and not just the 11th article. Then, perhaps, the meaning will become more clear.
                      2. Kristallovich Offline
                        Kristallovich (Ruslan) 17 July 2020 11: 02
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                        Why are you hooked on these battleships?

                        Because in annex II it’s clearly stated surface warships other than aircraft carriers!
                      3. boriz Offline
                        boriz (boriz) 17 July 2020 17: 37
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                        But the Surf is not an aircraft carrier, but a UDC.
                      4. Kristallovich Offline
                        Kristallovich (Ruslan) 17 July 2020 18: 36
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                        There is no such thing in the convention. This dispute is more for international lawyers.
  • Ibuprofen Offline
    Ibuprofen (Novel) 16 July 2020 19: 02
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    Even the "Sevmorput" passed the straits with an unloaded reactor, reached Leningrad on fuel oil boilers, and there it was loaded with nuclear fuel and fully commissioned.
    1. Valery Khanlarov (Valery Khanlarov) 17 July 2020 15: 41
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      ALV "Sevmorput" passed the straits under YaPPU, in cargo, heading for Vietnam. Fuel loading, physical start-up and power output were carried out at the Zaliv plant after the production of mooring and sea trials from the emergency-run boiler.
      1. Ibuprofen Offline
        Ibuprofen (Novel) 18 July 2020 16: 23
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        If so, I'm sorry. Retold what he heard.
  • Bulanov Offline
    Bulanov (Vladimir) 16 July 2020 13: 30
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    The displacement of the aircraft carrier Admiral Kuznetsov is up to 61 thousand tons.

    The displacement of the Russian Mistral is almost 2,5 times less. If he went to Middle-earth, then why not these?
    1. Nikita Vinogradov (Nikita Vinogradov) 17 July 2020 11: 34
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      Admiral Kuzetsov is not an aircraft carrier by classification, so he can walk. This is an aircraft carrier cruiser. He is armed to the teeth like a cruiser and has an air wing of up to 50 liters, as an auxiliary. He has 12 Granite anti-ship missiles and many other weapons. Classic cruisers are just floating airfields that cannot defend themselves and are protected by other ships.
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    Sergey Tokarev (Sergey Tokarev) 16 July 2020 15: 46
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    Of course, it’s better for the baboons on the tree to know what the hunter should do))) Have these creatures created at least one ship in their history besides boats cut down from logs?
  • We Turks nose shoes - at once become quiet!
  • Yuri Mikhailovsky (Yuri Mikhailovsky) 16 July 2020 23: 56
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    Ukrainians again pour boiling water ...
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    Astronaut (San Sanych) 17 July 2020 01: 25
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    After the French refused to cooperate in 2015, the Russians finalized the project.

    These are completely different projects. And "Surf" to Mistral has nothing to do, except that both are UDC.
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    CABIN BOY (Yuri) 17 July 2020 13: 49
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    For those Ukrainians who have a short memory: in the Black Sea, which was "dug by the ancient Ukrainians", ships of more displacement served. So, the aircraft-carrying cruiser Kiev (sold to an independent Chinese) had a displacement of 41 tons. The ship was built in the city of Nikolaev at the Black Sea Shipbuilding Plant. Yes, he served in the North, but they built and tested in the Black Sea.
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  • Sergey Nord Offline
    Sergey Nord (Sergey Nord) 18 July 2020 00: 03
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    It was necessary to call the helicopter carrier "Odessa", even if the svidomye hung on the chandeliers with a squeal.
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    Vyacheslav_4 (Vyacheslav) 18 July 2020 05: 20
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    This is where we will return Constantinople!
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    Netyn (Netyn) 18 July 2020 09: 59
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    Quote: Sergey Nord
    It was necessary to call the helicopter carrier "Odessa"

    Name a whole series of ships - Odessa, Kharkov, Dnepropetrovsk, Zaporozhye)))
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    DeGreen 21 July 2020 17: 15
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    Tkachenko is a Ukrainian journalist. Draw conclusions.