The war in Nagorno-Karabakh will end the friendship of Russia and Turkey


On the eve of the cannon talk again on the border of Azerbaijan and Armenia, there are killed on both sides. All these are echoes of the old war for Nagorno-Karabakh. Apparently, having lost then, Baku is again ready to take revenge. It remains only to understand why this is happening right now?


The Foreign Minister of Azerbaijan on this occasion stated the following:

The conversation is that 20% of the territory of Azerbaijan is occupied. What do you think, a ten millionth, rich, developed infrastructure, armed country will allow to occupy its territory for an infinite amount of time? This is impossible.

As you know, Baku and Yerevan have their own hot spot - Nagorno-Karabakh, the territory of Azerbaijan, inhabited mainly by ethnic Armenians. This conflict has a long and complex history, and in 1992-1994 it led to a bloody war between the two former Soviet republics. Armenia won in it, but Azerbaijan never reconciled with the loss of a fifth of its territory, insisting on restoring the integrity of the state. An involuntary arbiter in this conflict is Russia, which is interested in cooperation with both countries and the absence of war close to its borders.

Several decades have passed since then, periodically exacerbations and clashes with the victims. Both Baku and Yerevan are preparing for a possible resumption of war. With Russian help as an ally in the Collective Security Treaty Organization, Armenia strengthened its defense capability due to the Iskander-E OCR, the Smerch MLRS and Su-30SM fighters.

Azerbaijan, in turn, held large-scale military exercises in the spring, in which more than 10 military personnel, 120 armored vehicles and 30 aviation were involved. Baku also established cooperation with Ankara, with which it has full understanding on the "Karabakh issue." I would like to dwell on the latter in more detail.

Azerbaijan and Turkey have an agreement that for any military activity in Nagorno-Karabakh, Baku will immediately notify its ally. In the future, based on it, plans were developed for joint actions to "restore territorial integrity." While Russia is a stabilizing factor in the frozen old conflict, Turkey is a destabilizing one. The outbreak of a full-scale war puts the Kremlin in an extremely sensitive situation. An attempt to “force peace” of Azerbaijan will lead to a breakdown in normal relations with Baku. At the same time, Moscow cannot abandon Yerevan either. It turns out "geopolitical pitchfork."

It seems that “friend Recep” gave the go-ahead to defrost the Karabakh conflict in order to put pressure on “partner Vladimir,” who began to show increased activity not only in Syria, but also in Libya. This may be a well-founded assumption in response to the question of why the exacerbation began right now, when everyone is full of problems.

In any case, you need to understand: Armenia is a member of the CSTO, which means an attack on this country will mean a conflict with the whole bloc, including the nuclear power - Russia. Although, ultimately, the amount of assistance that Moscow will provide to Yerevan in a hypothetical war will depend on the quantity and quality of assistance to Baku from Ankara. If the Turks, on the basis of an official request from their Azerbaijani allies, venture to send their army units to Karabakh, the Kremlin is unlikely to limit itself to arms supplies and military advisers. In Armenia, military aviation of the Russian Aerospace Forces will immediately appear, as well as long-range air defense systems.

Thus, in addition to Syria and Libya, another point of tension between Russia and Turkey will be created, which will inevitably lead to a deterioration in relations. In the meantime, Moscow and Ankara remain a good face in a bad game - Vladimir Putin and Recep Erdogan are smiling and shaking hands, despite the insoluble contradictions in the Middle East.
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  1. Bakht Offline Bakht
    Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 13 July 2020 16: 42
    -1
    It has been said a hundred times.
    Recep has no influence on the politics of Azerbaijan. And he did not give any go-ahead.
    CSTO for Armenia will not fit specifically into this conflict. This has already been repeatedly mentioned.
    Provocations on the front line will continue. I wrote about this after April 2016.
    Comparing Nagorno-Karabakh and LDNR is ABSOLUTELY incorrect. These are completely different conflicts with different histories and causes. But (I also said this several times) all conflicts, regardless of the reasons and place, must be resolved on the same basis.
    I think that in a couple of days everything will calm down until the next escalation.
    ---
    I have no data on the question of who first started. The direction and area of ​​operations itself makes me think that Armenia arranged a provocation. In April 2016, I did not have such confidence. But now I strongly suspect that the conflict provoked Armenia.
    1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 14 July 2020 06: 33
      -3
      Quote: Bakht
      It has been said a hundred times.
      Recep has no influence on the politics of Azerbaijan. And he did not give any go-ahead.
      CSTO for Armenia will not fit specifically into this conflict. This has already been repeatedly mentioned.

      Who said? Who gave you reason to speak for Recep?
      1. Bakht Offline Bakht
        Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 14 July 2020 09: 52
        +4
        I told. I have spoken about this many times. Recep that - once said that he influences the politics of Azerbaijan? For some reason, I’m sure that you won’t be able to prove the influence of the Turkish Foreign Ministry on the policy of Azerbaijan.
        You wrote:

        It seems that "friend Recep" gave the go-ahead for defrosting the Karabakh conflict

        This is your personal opinion, which you cannot confirm with any fact.

        You wrote:

        While Russia is a stabilizing factor in the frozen old conflict, Turkey is a destabilizing one.

        Who told you that Turkey acts as a "destabilizing" factor in this conflict? The main destabilizing factor in the South Caucasus is Armenia. I can prove my statement. You can hardly do yours.
  2. Bakht Offline Bakht
    Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 13 July 2020 16: 44
    0
    Latest News - An escalation has begun in the Nakhchivan direction.
  3. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 13 July 2020 17: 00
    0
    As you know, Baku and Yerevan have their own hot spot - Nagorno-Karabakh, the territory of Azerbaijan, inhabited mainly by ethnic Armenians.

    Author for Azerbaijan?
    1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 14 July 2020 06: 32
      -3
      Quote: Sergey Latyshev
      As you know, Baku and Yerevan have their own hot spot - Nagorno-Karabakh, the territory of Azerbaijan, inhabited mainly by ethnic Armenians.

      Author for Azerbaijan?

      Author for the USSR-2
    2. 123 Offline 123
      123 (123) 15 July 2020 07: 28
      +1
      Author for Azerbaijan?

      The author is for the destruction of the whole world to the ground, and then .... how the card will fall. What will happen next, he is not very interested.
  4. Weimar maslou Offline Weimar maslou
    Weimar maslou (Weimar Maslou) 13 July 2020 18: 27
    -7
    Solving the NK problem is nothing. All Transcaucasia is the property of Russia, as the assignee of the Republic of Ingushetia. It is enough to include Nagorno-Karabakh in the Russian Federation and voila. Everyone is happy to the stop. CONFLICT IS EXHAUSTED. It is all a matter of the political WILL of the Russian leadership. And how the Armenians and Isers will be happy in the NK - words can not describe!
    1. Sergey Tokarev Offline Sergey Tokarev
      Sergey Tokarev (Sergey Tokarev) 13 July 2020 22: 14
      +7
      Armenians lived well under the Persians ... It was worth Russia to fight with everyone for the sake of Russophobia of the Armenians ???
      1. Sergey Tokarev Offline Sergey Tokarev
        Sergey Tokarev (Sergey Tokarev) 13 July 2020 22: 19
        +1
        A team of geneticists from the Hebrew University of Jerusalem announced the results of a large-scale study, reliably determined the degree of genetic kinship between Jews and the peoples living in the Middle East. According to research leaders Ariella Oppenheim and Marina Fayerman, the most genetically close to Jews (especially Sephardim) are Kurds and Armenians, but not Palestinians and Syrians. Jews and Kurds, apparently, had a common ancestor - the people who lived somewhere near the current border of Iraq and Turkey, that is, where the bulk of the Kurds live now (the common ancestor, apparently, is either Assyrians, - North Akkadian tribes; or Israelis captured by the Assyrians in the VIII century BC). Also, American geneticists led by the Armenian woman Zhanna Nersesyan, a professor of medicine, a full member of the New York Academy of Sciences, having examined 60 Armenians in Armenia, Nagorno-Karabakh and Moscow, came to a startling conclusion. It turned out that all Armenians have the identical genetic code ... Nersesyan claims that the Armenians are almost identical in their genetic code to the Jews.
        1. Bakht Offline Bakht
          Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 13 July 2020 22: 52
          +6
          As far as I read, in the literature the haplogroup of the Jews is J1 (called the Abraham haplogroup).
          The haplogroup of Armenians is mainly R1b1a2 - 26,5%. Haplogroup Abraham J1 have only 8% of Armenians.
          Kurds are recognized by the Indo-European group in terms of language. Jews belong to the Semites.
          Genetic analysis shows that the Kurdish people are closely connected with the Azerbaijani, Armenian, Georgian and Jewish peoples, who have some common ancestors in the northern part of the Middle East region.
          Everything is mixed here. And look for ancient ancestors is an ungrateful occupation. According to the Bible, brothers are Jews and Arabs. But we have already discussed this.
          1. Bakht Offline Bakht
            Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 13 July 2020 23: 07
            +3
            Genetics solved all the mysteries of Jewish history.

            https://snob.ru/selected/entry/19973/?rp=lj?preview&v=1468242863

            Research - First Rank, from Nature and the American Journal of Human Genetics; among the authors are the first few stars in this field.
            -----
            As was commonly believed, the closest "relatives" of the Jews are Bedouins, Druze, and Palestinians.

            I am not going to argue on this issue. I just quote and give the opinions of people who deal with DNA quite seriously. So this is just information. Without any comment.
          2. Sergey Tokarev Offline Sergey Tokarev
            Sergey Tokarev (Sergey Tokarev) 14 July 2020 05: 38
            0
            Look at the deeds))) it is immediately clear that the Armenians, Ukrainians and Jews intersected somewhere)))
            1. Vladimir Tuzakov (Vladimir Tuzakov) 16 July 2020 20: 52
              0
              And what about the ukrants, the Scythians are also Jews? There are many pro-Israel lobbyists on the branch, so such tricks are normal here ... History is often attracted by the ears, when all the arguments of the present day have been exhausted. According to an article by a well-known one-sided author, one can paraphrase "The war in Nagorno-Karabakh will be the beginning of friendship between Russia and Turkey." Of course, this will be a lesson for the Armenians to play in the Israeli way - by deception and betrayal, only Jews have superiority in world influence, and Armenians do not pull ...
              1. Sergey Tokarev Offline Sergey Tokarev
                Sergey Tokarev (Sergey Tokarev) 17 July 2020 07: 27
                0
                Ukrainians are not Scythians, Ukrainians are Khazars and Circassians (Semites). According to one version, the Armenians are resettled Jews ...
                1. Vladimir Tuzakov (Vladimir Tuzakov) 17 July 2020 13: 52
                  -2
                  Already do not push for a lecture for the illiterate on the genealogy of today's peoples, or simply, do not rubbish ... In particular, the Khazars only have the supreme leadership and a small number of people were Semites, the rest of the masses are like an instrument in their hands. Something similar today in the current Russian Federation ...
        2. 123 Offline 123
          123 (123) 15 July 2020 08: 32
          +4
          A team of geneticists from the Hebrew University of Jerusalem announced the results of a large-scale study, reliably determined the degree of genetic kinship between Jews and the peoples living in the Middle East. According to research leaders Ariella Oppenheim and Marina Fayerman, Kurds and Armenians are most genetically close to Jews (especially Sephardim), but not Palestinians and Syrians. Jews and Kurds apparently had a common ancestor.

          In one fairly well-known source it was reported that everyone had a common ancestor, even the name was reported - Adam. Apparently, the authors approached the work more seriously.

          American geneticists led by an Armenian, having examined 60 Armenians in Armenia, Nagorno-Karabakh and Moscow, came to a startling conclusion. It turned out that all Armenians have the identical genetic code ... Nersesyan claims that the Armenians are almost identical in their genetic code to the Jews.

          The information is quite specific, this kind of alarms me a little. Since the topic is unfamiliar, I turned to Google, he told me a little, because this information, fortunately, is not often mentioned. There were two references to this "fundamental work", "laudatory" and "abusive".
          1.) "Russian republic" and something tells me - these are, at least, nationalists.

          http://rusrepublic.ru/2010-01-06-00-08-43/69-732002/580-2011-05-26-17-09-57

          2.) "Noah's Ark" is at least the Armenian diaspora.

          http://old.noev-kovcheg.ru/article.php?n=70&a=5

          The question arose, in which source did you find this information?
          For in your involvement in the activities of the Armenian or Jewish diaspora, I have some doubts, however, as well as genetics.
          I was also doubted by the lack of mention of Zhanna Nersesyan’s investigation of Jews in Israel, otherwise how could she draw a similar conclusion without him?
          In general, I went to the website of the New York Academy of Sciences and was not at all surprised not to find Zhanna Nersesyan in the list of honorary members of the academy, as well as organizational (if not confused with the translation), judging by the fact that she is called a professor , it is useless to look for it among the local "Komsomol".

          https://www.nyas.org/people-list/honorary-members-and-academy-fellows/

          In general, I did not manage to find on the Internet about "our" Jeanne (perhaps I was looking badly and the English-speaking participants would correct me), as a result of which the confidence in me strengthens that she is a charlatan like Klesov.
          Perhaps you are telling this nonsense to people in vain? winked
          1. Sergey Tokarev Offline Sergey Tokarev
            Sergey Tokarev (Sergey Tokarev) 17 July 2020 07: 46
            0
            http://samlib.siwatcher.ru/z/zilxberman_m_i
            /ogaplotipeprotohanaaneewiihrodstwesewrejami.shtml
          2. Sergey Tokarev Offline Sergey Tokarev
            Sergey Tokarev (Sergey Tokarev) 17 July 2020 07: 48
            0
            http://cyclowiki.org/wiki/Ариэлла_Оппенхейм
            And you can buy membership in the academy ... there are tens of thousands of these members ... maybe somewhere there are Armenians ...
            1. 123 Offline 123
              123 (123) 17 July 2020 08: 36
              0
              http://cyclowiki.org/wiki/Ариэлла_Оппенхейм
              And you can buy membership in the academy ... there are tens of thousands of these members ... maybe somewhere there are Armenians ..

              I'm just wondering why this problem bothers you so much?
              1. Sergey Tokarev Offline Sergey Tokarev
                Sergey Tokarev (Sergey Tokarev) 17 July 2020 08: 42
                0
                This "problem" does not bother me at all. Unlike you. Me - that the Armenians are alive, that they are not .. I will not grieve.
                1. 123 Offline 123
                  123 (123) 17 July 2020 08: 50
                  0
                  I understood you. I guess they won't miss you either, and not only them.
                  1. Sergey Tokarev Offline Sergey Tokarev
                    Sergey Tokarev (Sergey Tokarev) 17 July 2020 09: 01
                    0
                    They will have something to miss without me))))) They will not be bored with the Turks and Azerbaijanis.
    2. Mike fly Offline Mike fly
      Mike fly (Mike Fly) 14 July 2020 03: 16
      -11 qualifying.
      It is in what book is written that Urus Ivan is the master of Transcaucasia? About Armenians - yes. They are eternal slaves and you rule them. And in Georgia and Azerbaijan they gave you a kick in the ass.
      And in which case - remember Syria and Libya - airplanes, a mantle shell in the trash, their mercenaries to shreds - these are the Turkish troops, baby.
      1. Weimar maslou Offline Weimar maslou
        Weimar maslou (Weimar Maslou) 14 July 2020 10: 31
        0
        In the Faceted Chamber of the Kremlin, all agreements are on the inclusion of these peoples in the Great Russian Empire and on the subordination of the Papuans to the White Tsar! I advise you to go and see! Very entertaining!
  5. Yes, they are so, little cling! Calm down soon!
    1. Bakht Offline Bakht
      Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 13 July 2020 23: 11
      +1
      Already calm down.

      https://ru.oxu.az/war/405399

      He stressed that such calls come from a sense of deep patriotism of the Azerbaijani people, but there is no need for such publications.
  6. Isaac Asimov Offline Isaac Asimov
    Isaac Asimov (Rinat Yariev) 14 July 2020 00: 06
    +2
    Armenia is not a friend of Russia. Let America and the West fight for Pashinyan, a pro-American prostitute, against the Muslims of Turkey and Azerbaijan, but we do not need them.
    1. Weimar maslou Offline Weimar maslou
      Weimar maslou (Weimar Maslou) 14 July 2020 10: 40
      +1
      The collapse of the Union began with the Armenians. The fact that Nikol Pashinyan is a Soros prostitute agrees. In Assad’s army, mainly Armenians, Orthodox Arabs and Alawites fight, everyone knows! There are more Armenians in Syria than in Armenia, but not a single unfortunate battalion of the Armenian army is there!
  7. Bakht Offline Bakht
    Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 14 July 2020 00: 20
    +1
    An emergency meeting of the CSTO Permanent Council, which was to be held at the initiative of the CSTO Secretary General Stanislav Zasy, was postponed indefinitely.

    https://haqqin.az/democracy/183677
  8. Mike fly Offline Mike fly
    Mike fly (Mike Fly) 14 July 2020 03: 09
    -9
    What is Russia? What is the CSTO?
    Azerbaijan cleans its territory from the Armenians and Russia and does not dare to utter a laugh about this issue. Let him sit and watch. And she will not be able to poke herself because otherwise everything that happened in Syria and Libya will seem like flowers to her. Turkey is the second army of NATO, after the United States.
    1. plabu Offline plabu
      plabu 14 July 2020 05: 59
      +3
      ..and about Georgia, did you write here before - have you eaten your ties? bully
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    3. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
      Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 14 July 2020 22: 12
      +3
      Turkey is not lucky to fight with Russia and now it does not shine. The armament of the Turkish army is outdated, against Turkey, Egypt, Saudi Arabia and France ... in Libya, the Turks do not shine ...
  9. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 14 July 2020 09: 48
    +3
    In fact, everyone understands that friendship for money will never end.
    Erdogan was caught in collaboration with terrorists, so what? As soon as he shook the coins, then the terrorists, the downed plane, and the rest were forgotten.

    There are coins - there is friendship ...
  10. Sultan Tayyip Erdogan 1 14 July 2020 18: 33
    0
    On the Lenta.ru portal, these words about "10 millionth country ..." two days ago spoke the ambassador of Azerbaijan to Russia, Bulbul oglu, and you are writing the head of the Azerbaijani Foreign Ministry ...
  11. Tramp1812 Offline Tramp1812
    Tramp1812 (Tramp 1812) 14 July 2020 22: 23
    0
    Quote: Marzhetsky
    Quote: Sergey Latyshev
    As you know, Baku and Yerevan have their own hot spot - Nagorno-Karabakh, the territory of Azerbaijan, inhabited mainly by ethnic Armenians.

    Author for Azerbaijan?

    Author for the USSR-2

    Well said. I would like to clarify some issues related to the USSR-2:
    1. What is the form of government of the future state, its economic structure?
    2. What forces within the former union republics can be counted on when reconstructing the USSR?
    3. Who initiates the creation of the USSR from the outside?
    4. What about the Baltic states that are members of NATO?
    5. Does the author consider such a recreation to be real, or is this a reason for discussion on the site?
  12. Nikolay Malyugin (Nikolai Malyugin) 15 July 2020 06: 57
    +2
    Quote: Bakht
    Already calm down.

    https://ru.oxu.az/war/405399

    He stressed that such calls come from a sense of deep patriotism of the Azerbaijani people, but there is no need for such publications.

    Since when did patriotism begin to express itself in hatred of other countries and peoples? If we love our mothers, wives, this does not mean that we should hate everyone else.
  13. kriten Offline kriten
    kriten (Vladimir) 15 July 2020 10: 33
    0
    Erdogan does not hesitate to peel at our rear, every week he somehow shows Putin that he spat on him. But the Kremlin cannot hit Erdogan’s rear, forgiving everything to him, even when he gave the command to kill the ambassador. And the possibilities are darkness; Syria, Iraq, inside Turkey, and to expel from Libya is a holy thing.
    1. Vladimir Tuzakov (Vladimir Tuzakov) 18 July 2020 12: 01
      +1
      The murder of the ambassador to Turkey is a dark matter, the killer's girlfriend, it seems, was a Slav ... Secondly, the ambassador with Jewish roots may have played on two fronts ... Thirdly, this act of murder, completely filmed by professionals, was conceived by anti-Russian and anti-Turkish forces in advance, to break relations between states ... Perhaps, the Saudis, when submitting a plan from the United States, because "Allah Akbar" was voiced by a murderer ... Eastern policy is always three-layered with interweaving Arabic script ... Therefore, one should not easily succumb to planned provocations ...
  14. Obama Barack Offline Obama Barack
    Obama Barack (Obama Barack) 22 July 2020 17: 23
    +1
    Do you think a ten-million-strong, rich, infrastructure-developed, armed country will allow its territory to be occupied for an infinite amount of time? It's impossible.

    What is this? Take, for example, two "small" countries - India and Pakistan, with a total population of XNUMX billion. Nothing. Agree. Although with difficulty.