Updated “Admiral Nakhimov” will be able to withstand the whole fleet


The Russian heavy nuclear missile cruiser Admiral Nakhimov, created as part of the 1144 Orlan project under the Soviet regime, will be able to withstand a whole NATO fleet as a result of serious modernization.


As stated in an interview RIA News ex-commander of the Northern Fleet, Admiral Vyacheslav Popov, this ship will become the most modern military vessel in terms of air defense, radio-technical weapons and strike systems. Popov believes that for parity with the United States of Russia, you need to have four such cruisers.

In turn, the head of the All-Russian Fleet Support Movement, Captain First Rank Mikhail Nenashev emphasized that Admiral Nakhimov could become an important tool in achieving geopolitical goals if it is equipped with Zircon supersonic missiles.

Last October, the Military Watch publication wrote that the ability of the updated Russian cruiser to threaten the enemy air forces and naval forces at a distance of 400 and 1000 km, respectively, makes this ship the most dangerous surface ship of the Russian fleet.

Retired Colonel Viktor Litovkin believes that the commissioning of Admiral Nakhimov will not affect the balance of American and Russian military forces - Russia does not have a single strike group of aircraft carriers, and the United States has 11.
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  1. 123 Offline 123
    123 (123) 13 July 2020 15: 17
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    Retired Colonel Viktor Litovkin believes that the commissioning of Admiral Nakhimov will not affect the balance of American and Russian military forces - Russia does not have a single strike group of aircraft carriers, and the United States has 11.

    The diploma of the Lviv Higher Military-Political School is not a guarantee against stupid statements.
    1. Arkharov Offline Arkharov
      Arkharov (Grigory Arkharov) 13 July 2020 17: 39
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      But what if he did not have this diploma, the ratio would have reversed?
      1. 123 Offline 123
        123 (123) 13 July 2020 18: 09
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        But what if he did not have this diploma, the ratio would have reversed?

        How can I tell you ... for example, the lack of such a diploma does not prevent such stupidities from expounding. winked
    2. Alexey Sergeev Offline Alexey Sergeev
      Alexey Sergeev (Alexey Sergeev) 13 July 2020 22: 12
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      Of course, if the military does not have hatred-minded moods, then he says nonsense :-)
      1. 123 Offline 123
        123 (123) 13 July 2020 23: 52
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        If the military believes that such a ship does not affect the balance of forces at all, he is either a rather strange military, because although he is a political officer, he must not only be able to open his mouth, but also think, well, or he understands everything and just lies. This also applies not only to the military.
        Do you agree with him? Do you think that 80 Caliber (Zircons), and this is approximately like the whole Black Sea Fleet, does not affect the balance at all? What do you prefer to do with caps? Shitting on her?
        1. Alexey Sergeev Offline Alexey Sergeev
          Alexey Sergeev (Alexey Sergeev) 14 July 2020 01: 07
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          It doesn’t matter how many Zircons you have (by the way, what is it really? Where is the photo at least?), You need to be able to use them.
          Near the coast? But there are coastal complexes and naval aviation (from coastal airfields).
          In the ocean - such a ship will simply be outnumbered. To attack someone, you need to know where he is. AUG has 2-4 AWACS aircraft. And dozens of strike aircraft.
          1. 123 Offline 123
            123 (123) 14 July 2020 21: 22
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            It doesn’t matter how many Zircons you have (by the way, what is it really? Where is the photo at least?), You need to be able to use them.

            In MO contact, perhaps they will give you a look. yes

            Near the coast? But there are coastal complexes and naval aviation (from coastal airfields).
            In the ocean - such a ship will simply be outnumbered. To attack someone, you need to know where he is. AUG has 2-4 AWACS aircraft. And dozens of strike aircraft.

            Do you want me to outline the situation on the opposite side?
            Near the coast? But why, because there are coastal airfields.
            In the ocean, an aircraft carrier simply cannot approach the required distance for a strike. The range of -1000 km was announced. Hornets fly about 700 km. The F-35B is not particularly different in this regard, by the way, look what they have from weapons with a range of more than 400 km, otherwise the S-400 will come under attack. This means that the aircraft carrier must enter the affected area, and it will be uncomfortable there. AWACS aircraft? Hokai's combat radius of 320 km detects aircraft at a distance of about 500 km, the ship, possibly, farther. Somehow it's still less than 1000 km. Whatever one may say, "Nakhimov" is a big problem, there will be enough "gingerbread" in its cellars for 2-3 AUG.

            It is unlikely that he will have to confront the entire fleet alone, such a situation is almost impossible. At a minimum, there will be 1-2 submarines with him, plus both sides use satellites (communication, target designation).
            It is, rather, about the potential of the ship and it is pretty decent. To say that this is not so, I see no reason.
            1. Alexey Sergeev Offline Alexey Sergeev
              Alexey Sergeev (Alexey Sergeev) 14 July 2020 21: 48
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              Remind me, does the curvature of the Earth prevent the S-400 from attacking low-flying aircraft?
              And including the radar of the review, this ship is visible to RTR aircraft much further than they are to him. They are on the aircraft carrier. As well as the F-35S, with a much greater range (than model B) and the possibility of refueling.
              But you can do without them.
              With the help of RTR and AWACS aircraft, the position of the ship is determined and tracked. F-18E / F fly up at low altitude, under the cover of electronic warfare aircraft, and launch false targets (simulating anti-ship missiles), then hundreds of HARM missiles (for knocking out anti-aircraft defense) and, as a result, 2-3 dozen Harpunov. Curtain, beating.
              To attack 1000 km, you need to know the location of the target. Which moves fast. With what to conduct reconnaissance battle cruiser?
              1. 123 Offline 123
                123 (123) 14 July 2020 23: 05
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                Remind me, does the curvature of the Earth prevent the S-400 from attacking low-flying aircraft?

                It interferes, only the plane does not help to attack the same curvature, it will have to rise higher to launch the rocket. But this is not so important, first it must fly.

                And including the radar of the review, this ship is visible to RTR aircraft much further than they are to him. They are on the aircraft carrier. As well as the F-35S, with a much greater range (than model B) and the possibility of refueling.
                But you can do without them.

                Something I do not recall RTR aircraft based on aircraft carriers. What are they talking about and at what range do they work?
                The range of the F-35C is really greater (about 1200 km), but, I believe, it is also not enough.
                For example, aircraft carriers from Iran try to stay at a distance of 600 miles (almost 1000 km.)

                https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/23/us/politics/warship-iran.html

                They consider 1000 miles (about 1600 km.) Safe from China.

                https://www.defensenews.com/naval/2019/12/06/with-china-gunning-for-aircraft-carriers-the-us-navy-says-it-must-change-the-way-it-fights/

                The Zircons range is declared at 1000 km, but who knows for sure that no more? At first, the caliber was not considered a serious threat, its dimensions were about the same, but it flies decently further. Do you think there is a desire to take a chance and check on your own skin? I also do not remember tankers on aircraft carriers, the MQ-25A Stingray is only in the plans for now.

                With the help of RTR and AWACS aircraft, the position of the ship is determined and tracked. F-18E / F fly up at low altitude, under the cover of electronic warfare aircraft, and launch false targets (simulating anti-ship missiles), then hundreds of HARM missiles (for knocking out anti-aircraft defense) and, as a result, 2-3 dozen Harpunov. Curtain, beating.

                You are just a storyteller. First, explain how the RTR and AWACS planes will approach the required distance, preferably with numbers. It is also interesting to know how the F-18E / F "fly up", from where?
                "Hundreds of PRR" HARM "" belay This requires hundreds of aircraft, as they fly up again a mystery.
                You don't even need to stutter about "Harpoons", 280 km is not even funny. Tell us more about the boarding group. laughing
                By the way, do you think that they will not use the EW cruiser? This is only allowed to the Americans, and Russian shy?

                To attack 1000 km, you need to know the location of the target. Which moves fast. With what to conduct reconnaissance battle cruiser?

                Satellites.
                1. Alexey Sergeev Offline Alexey Sergeev
                  Alexey Sergeev (Alexey Sergeev) 15 July 2020 14: 17
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                  1 F-18 can take 8-10Harm-s. And we already need planes ... a dozen! :-) They cannot be taken away by electronic warfare, they are radiated and induced, compact and fly at 3M.
                  At such a range, the F-18E / f will take 2 Harpoons. (Warhead 225kg). For 30 you need ... another 15. 25 planes are obtained. And on an aircraft carrier there are at least 40 of them.
                  Harpoon can be launched at low altitude. The autopilot is programmed for external target designation, the rocket flies to the desired coordinates and there it is aimed at the target. 280 km is more than enough for aviation anti-ship missiles (and what, do we have better with a low-profit flight profile?).
                  I’ll tell you a secret: optically from satellites you will not find AUG, the ocean is volatile and ships move quickly. Need a radar and / or complex RTR.
                  Which is on E-2D.
                  At low altitude, the F-18 will fly safely to the launch distance. To make the ship doomed (with such an attack scheme) “easier”, the attack is “star-shaped”, from all directions at once.
                  1. 123 Offline 123
                    123 (123) 15 July 2020 21: 16
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                    1 F-18 can take 8-10Harm-s. And we already need planes ... a dozen! :-) They cannot be taken away by electronic warfare, they are radiated and induced, compact and fly at 3M.

                    Are you sure about that? Missiles are aimed at radar radiation, the electronic warfare system forces them to change direction.

                    At such a range, the F-18E / f will take 2 Harpoons. (Warhead 225kg). For 30 you need ... another 15 - 25 planes are obtained. And on an aircraft carrier there are at least 40 of them.

                    It takes some time to assemble a group of 25 aircraft in the air, which means that fuel will be spent on "cutting" circles above the deck while waiting for colleagues. This does not greatly increase the flight range.

                    Harpoon can be launched at low altitude. The autopilot is programmed for external target designation, the rocket flies to the desired coordinates and there it is aimed at the target. 280 km is more than enough for aviation anti-ship missiles (and what, do we have better with a low-profit flight profile?).

                    Harpoon can be launched at low altitude. The autopilot is programmed for external target designation, the rocket flies to the desired coordinates and there it is aimed at the target. 280 km is more than enough for aviation anti-ship missiles (and what, do we have better with a low-profit flight profile?).

                    Do you think 280 km is more than enough? It seems no longer. Do we have better? Perhaps there is. Listen to a clever man, and about the rocket, and about the distance.



                    I’ll tell you a secret: optically from satellites you will not find AUG, the ocean is volatile and ships move quickly. Need a radar and / or complex RTR.

                    Do not do this, you will be imprisoned. belay laughing I will not reveal secrets, I can suggest referring to history. "Legend", thanks to her in Soviet times, the "safe" distance for aircraft carriers was more than 500 km from Atlantis

                    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9B%D0%B5%D0%B3%D0%B5

                    Which is on E-2D.

                    How restless you are. laughing I repeat, 320 km, the Hawkeye does not move further from the deck, the "saucer" on its hump works for another 500 km. Add up these numbers, don't you think it's less than 1000 km? How he can detect something at a greater range, and even direct missiles, is a mystery to me. Can you tell us?

                    At low altitude, the F-18 will fly safely to the launch distance. To make the ship doomed (with such an attack scheme) “easier”, the attack is “star-shaped”, from all directions at once.

                    F-18 will not reach the launch distance neither safe nor dangerous, not at all.
                    Watch the video above again. "Star-like", I came across the term "star raid", apparently, we are talking about the same thing, that is, about an attack from several sides simultaneously. I repeat once again, in order to attack from several sides, some of the aircraft will need even more fuel, this is simply physically impossible. Try to take a piece of paper anyway. yes Do you remember? We put a point, draw a circle .....
                    1. Alexey Sergeev Offline Alexey Sergeev
                      Alexey Sergeev (Alexey Sergeev) 16 July 2020 23: 38
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                      I'll tell you a secret: there are tanker aircraft on the aircraft carrier. Changing range and power balance?
                      Prepared aircraft can take off every 30 seconds, within 20 minutes they will be able to lift a group of 20-30 aircraft.
                      About electronic warfare. PRR is guided by the radiation of radars, the electronic warfare installation also emits and will receive its portion of missiles until it stops.
                      Some of the attacking aircraft will be in variant G, with their own (the most powerful among aircraft) electronic warfare (to make it easier for the remnants of air defense to work).
                      Understand, the point is that AUG is a much more powerful unit, and aircraft is an incredibly flexible weapon. One super-battleship in the ocean is not his opponent. Without air cover - doomed.
                      About the "Legend". Remind me, how large a constellation of satellites with radar (and not optical observation) and a nuclear reactor on board, flying in a very low orbit (and rapidly losing speed), was able to create the USSR (which has a more powerful industry)? And how long did it last?
                      (It all ended badly; it was a failed project that devoured a fair amount of money from a weakening economy.)
                      1. 123 Offline 123
                        123 (123) 17 July 2020 08: 19
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                        I'll tell you a secret: there are tanker aircraft on the aircraft carrier. Changing range and power balance?

                        True? And does he have a name? Unmanned tankers try to drag in the Pentagon, but the arithmetic is simple, plus one tanker + minus one fighter on the deck.

                        Prepared aircraft can take off every 30 seconds, within 20 minutes they will be able to lift a group of 20-30 aircraft.

                        If every 30 seconds, then twenty minutes should be 40, not 20-30. 30 seconds is the minimum takeoff interval. You have a slightly naive idea of ​​how this works. To launch fighters - not throw stones from the shore into the water. Look at the link, for sure you will be interested.

                        http://eurasian-defence.ru/?q=node/3602

                        About electronic warfare. PRR is guided by the radiation of radars, the electronic warfare installation also emits and will receive its portion of missiles until it stops.
                        Some of the attacking aircraft will be in variant G, with their own (the most powerful among aircraft) electronic warfare (to make it easier for the remnants of air defense to work).

                        Who told you such nonsense? "Svetlolikye" are being targeted, and stupid Russians just get missiles, is that how you imagine? Here is a short quote from the first source that comes across (if you want to know more, it will not be difficult).

                        In 2016, U.S. Air Force General Bridlaw admitted that the Pentagon had neglected electronic warfare over the past two decades, so the Kremlin has gained advantages in this area. US Army Commander in Europe, Lt. Gen. Ben Hodges, said the Russians’ success in the electronic war in Syria is “unbelievable.” In 2015, when Russia stepped up its military operations in Syria, Lieutenant General Edward Cardon said that the United States "is not moving forward (in developing electronic warfare systems) at a fast enough pace as the emerging threats require."

                        https://inosmi.ru/military/20170921/240338271.html

                        Understand the point is that aug much more powerful connection, and aviation - incredibly flexible means of destruction. One super-battleship in the ocean is not his opponent. Without air cover - doomed.

                        Add something else like "irresistible", "incinerating", "supernatural". laughing
                        Times are changing and this is no longer the case. The range of missile weapons, air defense, this also applies, is growing. Aircraft have some problems with this.
                        And he will not be alone in the ocean. What fool would send him alone? If you see a cruiser in the ocean, then at least 1-2 submarines are nearby, by the way, this does not make the stay of an aircraft carrier nearby more comfortable. We are talking about the potential of the ship, its combat power. And you somehow already childishly imagine him standing alone in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean. If you really like to fantasize, imagine that the matter is in the Arctic. The Americans in this region have some problems, by the way, with icebreakers too.

                        About the "Legend". Remind me how large the constellation of satellites with radar (and not optical observation) and a nuclear reactor on board, flying in very low orbit (And fast losing speed), managed to create the USSR (having a more powerful industry)? And how long did it last?
                        (Everything ended badly, was a failed project that devoured a fair amount of money in a weakening economy.)

                        To describe American technology, choose a slightly different word "incredible", "extremely flexible" lol
                        "Legend" is a long history, I told you about it. yes The "Liana" system works and it is regularly updated.

                        https://russian.rt.com/russia/article/724540-sputniki-pion-nks-sistema-liana
                      2. Alexey Sergeev Offline Alexey Sergeev
                        Alexey Sergeev (Alexey Sergeev) 18 July 2020 02: 10
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                        From what I saw - the use as a tanker of one of the F-18, hung with fuel tanks, with a hose-cone system.
                        Suspended tanks on attacking aircraft + the mentioned F-18 tankers - this is a noticeable increase in range.
                      3. 123 Offline 123
                        123 (123) 18 July 2020 08: 52
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                        From what I saw - the use as a tanker of one of the F-18, hung with fuel tanks, with a hose-cone system.
                        Suspended tanks on attacking aircraft + the mentioned F-18 tankers - this is a noticeable increase in range.

                        You are going to launch 20-30 fighters into the air, then 15 more "tankers", this whole friendly company will fly, gather in a flock, refuel. All this takes time and fuel. This is quite difficult, I'm afraid. A massive raid under such conditions is practically unrealistic, and several aircraft do not pose a serious threat to the air defense system.
                      4. Alexey Sergeev Offline Alexey Sergeev
                        Alexey Sergeev (Alexey Sergeev) 18 July 2020 15: 59
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                        Several aircraft at low altitude. The shelling by dozens of HARMo's is already depriving combat effectiveness and returning for repairs. Only an air cover can disrupt an attack.
                      5. 123 Offline 123
                        123 (123) 18 July 2020 16: 13
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                        Several aircraft at low altitude. The shelling by dozens of HARMo's is already depriving combat effectiveness and returning for repairs.

                        Maybe they should try it under water? What makes you think that if they fly low, they will be mistaken for crocodiles and will not be touched?

                        Only an air cover can disrupt an attack.

                        Why? Are these American planes and can only be shot down by other planes?
                2. Alexey Sergeev Offline Alexey Sergeev
                  Alexey Sergeev (Alexey Sergeev) 18 July 2020 02: 14
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                  Your quotes, none, refute the fact that the PRR is aimed at radio emission, which is induced by both radar and electronic warfare stations.
                3. 123 Offline 123
                  123 (123) 18 July 2020 09: 16
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                  Your quotes do not refute the fact of pointing the PRR to radio emission. Which induce both radar and electronic warfare stations.

                  All right. yes I will try in my own words. If you translate into ordinary conversational, then there is an opinion, including American generals, that in the development of electronic warfare the United States lags behind Russia. Even easier, they have nothing to oppose in this area.
                  Want another quote? For 2017.

                  “During the exercise, for the first time, the questions detection and suppression of electronic objects located at a distance of up to 4 thousand km. EW specialists, in cooperation with units of other military districts, worked out a radio-electronic strike on the communication systems and control of the strategic grouping of conditional enemy troops, ”the headquarters of the Central Military District informed.

                  Also, the servicemen with the help of the electronic warfare complex "Moscow" carried out activities to protect critical facilities from a massive missile air strike enemy, disorganized the management of conditional sabotage and reconnaissance groups operating in the rear, including by blocking cellular communications.

                  This is about ground complexes, the capabilities of a cruiser may be more modest, but still .... even if it works for 1000 km, even for 500. I think that dozens of aircraft in the air will feel uncomfortable without communication and navigation, and even with guidance missiles to the target.
                  For some reason you don’t want to hear this, the visor falls and ..... the missiles are aimed at the radiation, and that’s it. sad
              2. Alexey Sergeev Offline Alexey Sergeev
                Alexey Sergeev (Alexey Sergeev) 18 July 2020 02: 20
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                The presence of escort ships will only increase the number of attacks and the consumption of ammunition. Without air cover, disrupting the attack will not work.
          2. Alexey Sergeev Offline Alexey Sergeev
            Alexey Sergeev (Alexey Sergeev) 17 July 2020 00: 06
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            I will add that one of the 4 Hokaev Ds can fly further to coordinate the attack. And such a large ship (after 1144, never a Burke) he will see beyond 500 km.
            For some reason, you a priori proceed from the fact that at your maximum (hypothetical, based on advertising statements) range, anti-ship missiles can be launched by a battleship. With incomprehensible (not present) target designation. Deck helicopter - can not be compared with the aircraft AWACS.
            There is no satellite constellation with a radar.
            1. 123 Offline 123
              123 (123) 17 July 2020 08: 31
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              I will add that one of the 4 Hokaev Ds can fly further to coordinate the attack. And such a large ship (after 1144, never a Burke) he will see beyond 500 km.

              But he does not plan to return?

              For some reason, you a priori proceed from the fact that at their maximum (hypothetical, based on advertising statements) range, anti-ship missiles can be launched by a battleship. With incomprehensible (not present) target designation. Deck helicopter - can not be compared with the aircraft AWACS.

              I just stick to the voiced specifications. Nothing prevents you from considering the "maximum (hypothetical, based on advertising statements) range" of the Hokaevs and even claiming that in this case it will be much further.

              There is no satellite constellation with a radar.

              I would not argue so categorically, although there is no information in the public domain. Link above, read.

              According to Izvestia, Pion-NKS can even detect small objects such as cars of a potential adversary in real time. At the same time, Lotus-S specializes in intercepting a variety of information, including negotiations.

              “Peony-NKS” and “Lotus-S” can provide data on both land and marine objects. Based on the analysis of radar information, they form what can conditionally be called a radio engineering way. This helps the military to understand what kind of military equipment was specifically monitored and what its coordinates are, ”........

              “Most likely, these devices contain different types of electronic intelligence equipment. Relatively speaking, one of the satellites is equipped with location-based equipment, while the other has optoelectronic or infrared equipment. Thus, they work in a complex and provide more accurate information on the location of the object of interest to us and its movement and transmit its characteristics to the ground ”
            2. Alexey Sergeev Offline Alexey Sergeev
              Alexey Sergeev (Alexey Sergeev) 18 July 2020 02: 05
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              E-2D has a range of 2560 km. 320km - distance for a 4-hour patrol. And there are 4 of them on the aircraft carrier.
            3. Alexey Sergeev Offline Alexey Sergeev
              Alexey Sergeev (Alexey Sergeev) 18 July 2020 02: 12
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              There is a problem with satellites for target designation anywhere on the earth - they fly quickly in orbit and have a small viewing angle. It's time to launch a grouping comparable to Starlink.
          3. 123 Offline 123
            123 (123) 18 July 2020 09: 48
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            I will add that one of the 4 Hokaev Ds can fly further to coordinate the attack.

            And how does he know which way to fly? Four Hokai sent to all sides of the world? Where didn’t he come back, then there are Russians? What he will see, and how he will survive the effects of electronic warfare, is another question.

            For some reason, you a priori proceed from the fact that at your maximum (hypothetical, based on advertising statements) range, anti-ship missiles can be launched by a battleship. With incomprehensible (not present) target designation. Deck helicopter - can not be compared with the aircraft AWACS.
            There is no satellite constellation with a radar.

            Are you underestimating the "maximum (hypothetical, based on advertising statements) range" of aviation and missile weapons?
            With the satellite constellation at the moment, I find it difficult to say that the Moscow Region is not a very open organization. Yes, this is not so important yet, the cruiser is also under repair. We are talking about the potential of the ship.
            The fact is that there is a leap in the development of missile weapons, the range has been almost doubled, I hope you can’t say about speed, the evolution of electronic warfare is also a decent, orbital group of a new generation. But with the range of naval aviation, nothing has changed dramatically.
          4. Alexey Sergeev Offline Alexey Sergeev
            Alexey Sergeev (Alexey Sergeev) 18 July 2020 16: 02
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            Listen, they have been developing marine EWs for a long time. Read about AN / SLQ in Berks, with a peak power of 1 megawatt. EW is not a "magic wand."
            We just developed ground-based complexes.
          5. 123 Offline 123
            123 (123) 18 July 2020 16: 15
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            Listen, they have been developing marine EWs for a long time. Read about AN / SLQ in Berks, with a peak power of 1 megawatt. EW is not a "magic wand."
            We just developed ground-based complexes.

            That is, are you sure that nothing is coming to the fleet? And why? Are they shy?
    3. Alexey Sergeev Offline Alexey Sergeev
      Alexey Sergeev (Alexey Sergeev) 17 July 2020 03: 59
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      F-18 can take up to 5 hanging tanks with fuel, if 2 Harpoons are suspended, then 3 tanks.
      1. 123 Offline 123
        123 (123) 17 July 2020 08: 33
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        F-18 can take up to 5 hanging tanks with fuel, if 2 Harpoons are suspended, then 3 tanks.

        They can’t, two points are occupied by packing diapers, two more baskets for dirty laundry, in a fifth container for storing Coca-Cola and chewing gum. smile
      2. Alexey Sergeev Offline Alexey Sergeev
        Alexey Sergeev (Alexey Sergeev) 18 July 2020 02: 02
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        Well, let's go jokes from kindergarten ...
      3. 123 Offline 123
        123 (123) 18 July 2020 09: 51
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        How is it different? You have spread a dozen messages with a fan throughout the branch, it makes no sense to seriously respond to this. laughing
  2. 123 Offline 123
    123 (123) 18 July 2020 09: 50
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    Let them take at least 10, launch is possible only in the air defense coverage area, which means that there are big problems with this.
  3. Alexey Sergeev Offline Alexey Sergeev
    Alexey Sergeev (Alexey Sergeev) 18 July 2020 16: 06
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    You can start the PRR over the horizon, followed by guidance. It is only necessary to give target designation.
    Even in the variant with guidance before launch: according to the Falklands scenario - at 40-50 km the plane makes a sufficient climb, sees the target and fires off all the HARMs, after which it immediately descends, cowardly hiding behind the radio horizon, and lies on the opposite course.
    The radar from AFAR to F-35 can operate in RTR mode, by the way. And for him, the “light” of the ship’s surveillance radar is visible far enough.
  4. 123 Offline 123
    123 (123) 18 July 2020 16: 28
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    You can start the PRR over the horizon, followed by guidance. It is only necessary to give target designation.
    Even in the guidance with the launch: according to the Falkland scenario - at 40-50 km the aircraft makes a sufficient climb, sees the target and shoots all the HARMs, then immediately decreases, cowardly hiding behind the horizon, and lays down on the opposite course.
    The radar from AFAR to F-35 can operate in RTR mode, by the way. And for him, the “light” of the ship’s surveillance radar is visible far enough.

    Is it 40-50 km to fly up to "Admiral Nakhimov"? Do Americans have an invisibility cloak? They think the ship is also good.

    https://militarywatchmagazine.com/article/russian-superheavy-nuclear-battlecruiser-being-fitted-with-hypersonic-missiles-s-400s
  5. Alexey Sergeev Offline Alexey Sergeev
    Alexey Sergeev (Alexey Sergeev) 19 July 2020 01: 07
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    For a shipborne radar, the radio horizon range is 30 km. So, it is quite possible to fly at a low altitude (50 m) to the specified distance. With impunity.
    Will see the ship for dozens of PRRs. You can try, however, to save yourself by turning off all sources of radio emission and speeding up. But there is no guarantee that Harpoons (with ARL GOS) will not fly to the target with them.
  • Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 13 July 2020 17: 23
    +1
    I wonder how he will confront the whole fleet.
    Will they chase alone squadrons to approach 1000 km, and they will flee and shoot missiles from planes?
    1. Arkharov Offline Arkharov
      Arkharov (Grigory Arkharov) 13 July 2020 17: 41
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      No, they, in accordance with a pre-approved schedule, will come up in turn and drown. One after another, one after another ....
      1. Alexey Sergeev Offline Alexey Sergeev
        Alexey Sergeev (Alexey Sergeev) 13 July 2020 22: 13
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        Everything according to Zadornov, they are all stupid :-)
    2. 123 Offline 123
      123 (123) 13 July 2020 18: 10
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      I wonder how he will confront the whole fleet.
      Will they chase alone squadrons to approach 1000 km, and they will flee and shoot missiles from planes?

      Not. It’s just that they will not be able to approach 1000 km. And to shoot from aircraft is problematic, far away for them.
      1. Observer2014 Offline Observer2014
        Observer2014 13 July 2020 20: 16
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        Not. It’s just that they will not be able to approach 1000 km. And to shoot from aircraft is problematic, far away for them.

        lol Okay. Let's go. And let's talk about historical facts. "Bismarck", "Tirpitz" Japanese "Yamato". The names of these supermen don't mean anything? winked
        1. 123 Offline 123
          123 (123) 13 July 2020 20: 34
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          Okay. Let's go. And let's talk about historical facts. "Bismarck", "Tirpitz", Japanese "Yamato". The names of these supermen don't mean anything?

          Why nothing? They say. yes Want historical facts? I have them. smile
          Here is another list for you, if you wish, you can supplement it with British and Japanese.

          USS Yorktown, USS Lexington, USS Princeton, USS Wasp, USS Hornet, USS Bismarck Sea, USS Block Island, USS Gambier Bay, USS Liscome Bay, USS Ommaney Bay, USS St. Lo.

          Have a good dive into history. hi
          1. Observer2014 Offline Observer2014
            Observer2014 13 July 2020 20: 42
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            Quote: 123
            Okay. Let's go. And let's talk about historical facts. "Bismarck", "Tirpitz", Japanese "Yamato". The names of these supermen don't mean anything?

            Why nothing? They say. yes Want historical facts? I have them. smile
            Here is another list for you, if you wish, you can supplement it with British and Japanese.

            USS Yorktown, USS Lexington, USS Princeton, USS Wasp, USS Hornet, USS Bismarck Sea, USS Block Island, USS Gambier Bay, USS Liscome Bay, USS Ommaney Bay, USS St. Lo.

            Successful immersion in history hi

            yes good Of course, I will dive into history. But what to do with my "supermen" as a match. repeat Agree, of course, that there are enough ships that have broken the history of naval battles. By the way, including the Soviet missile boat, which for the first time drowned an entire destroyer. Under the egyptian flag. repeat
            1. 123 Offline 123
              123 (123) 13 July 2020 20: 44
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              What did you want to say?
              1. Observer2014 Offline Observer2014
                Observer2014 13 July 2020 20: 57
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                Quote: 123
                What did you want to say?

                Any "Superman". Including both "Peter the Great" and "Admiral Nakhimov" is not our everything. It is impossible to confront the whole fleet with one ship. Well, if he is not supported by the Strategic Missile Forces division from near Teikovo, of course. lol
                1. Observer2014 Offline Observer2014
                  Observer2014 13 July 2020 21: 54
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                  Quote: Observer2014
                  Quote: 123
                  What did you want to say?

                  Any "Superman". Including both "Peter the Great" and "Admiral Nakhimov" is not our everything. It is impossible to confront the whole fleet with one ship. Well, if he is not supported by the Strategic Missile Forces division from near Teikovo, of course. lol

                  Thanks for the cons! laughing hi
                  1. 123 Offline 123
                    123 (123) 14 July 2020 21: 25
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                    Thanks for the cons!

                    Please always contact if that.
                    I doubt that they sent thanks to the address.
            2. Arkharov Offline Arkharov
              Arkharov (Grigory Arkharov) 14 July 2020 17: 11
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              But then the Israeli boats completely abused the Arab Navy.
      2. Alexey Sergeev Offline Alexey Sergeev
        Alexey Sergeev (Alexey Sergeev) 13 July 2020 22: 18
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        In the ocean, airplanes confidently drown one (even with an escort) ship. Star-shaped plaque at low altitude with several dozen RCCs. And previously - the launch of many MALDs (false targets simulating anti-ship missiles) and PRM “HARM” to disable air defense.
        How many RCC will it take? Several for withdrawal from battle, 10+ for drowning. But it will be exactly a beating ..
        1. 123 Offline 123
          123 (123) 14 July 2020 21: 40
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          In the ocean, airplanes confidently drown one (even with an escort) ship. Star-shaped plaque at low altitude with several dozen RCCs. And previously - the launch of many MALDs (false targets simulating anti-ship missiles) and PRM “HARM” to disable air defense.

          How beautiful it sounds. good Star-like raid, previously - the launch of many MALDs, cavalry comes from the rear, an ambush regiment ..... laughing
          Try to take a piece of paper, put a dot on it, draw a circle with a compass with a radius of 1000 km (on a scale, of course), then open the damned Wikipedia, see what and how much flies, the range of the same missiles. See where the aircraft carrier should be, preferably outside the circle, otherwise it can become subordinate. winked . Calculate how many of those planes should fly, and given that they are going to attack from several sides at once. Dreamer. winked
          1. Alexey Sergeev Offline Alexey Sergeev
            Alexey Sergeev (Alexey Sergeev) 19 July 2020 01: 16
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            All these calculations are for paper and on a plane. Try to imagine a 3-dimensional world where there is a curvature of the Earth, a radio horizon. And without RL intelligence, you don't know what's going on around you. Fog of War, if you like.
    3. Alexey Sergeev Offline Alexey Sergeev
      Alexey Sergeev (Alexey Sergeev) 19 July 2020 01: 09
      +1
      The question is how he will chase fleets at such distances, if he cannot see them beyond 30 km (radio horizon).
      Hypothetically, with the help of the Ka-31, it is possible to see ships at a distance of 285 km (+ - 50 km radius of flight) and 100-150 km - aircraft.
      But AWACS aircraft on aircraft carriers have much greater ranges and visibility.
      In the event of a collision, such a helicopter will be shot down first.
  • Valentine Offline Valentine
    Valentine (Valentin) 13 July 2020 19: 47
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    It’s very good that we have such a technique, but .... as if it didn’t work out again, as in 1941, "we have little blood on them" and "we will throw our caps over", after which we lost 27 million of our people ... Look at America - blacks sensed the weakness of power, and will no longer yield to it in anything, so there a civil war is not far off. Look at Khabarovsk - there the liberals raise the people to revolt, and they expect this from Yekaterinburg, the fiefdom of the drunkard - President Yeltsin, and Tatarstan, Bashkortostan, Buryatia, Yakutia, Kalmykia, the entire Caucasus and other small nations are also on the verge of revolt, and Russia will fall down -mother, and the Russian people will wash with bloody tears, and then there will be complete freedom for the Japanese, Chinese, Ukrainians, Poles, Americans, etc. trash, and we will no longer need any cruiser ..... Now hundreds of dislikes will pour into me , but it will be so if we don’t change our minds in time and stop putting Russia on its hind legs with all sorts of hurgals.
    1. 123 Offline 123
      123 (123) 13 July 2020 20: 36
      +2
      And who are the Hurghals?
      1. Valentine Offline Valentine
        Valentine (Valentin) 14 July 2020 07: 14
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        Hurghal is the governor of the Khabarovsk Territory.
        1. 123 Offline 123
          123 (123) 14 July 2020 20: 20
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          Hurghal is the governor of the Khabarovsk Territory.

          Thank you. hi I didn’t understand right away. laughing
        2. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
          Marzhecki (Sergei) 15 July 2020 06: 32
          +1
          He's actually a Furgal.
          1. Valentine Offline Valentine
            Valentine (Valentin) 15 July 2020 07: 10
            +1
            And I see him like that, like the ex-president of Georgia Saakashvili.
    2. Bitter Offline Bitter
      Bitter (Gleb) 14 July 2020 23: 14
      0
      ... it’s good that we have such a technique, but .... no matter how it turns out again, ...

      As in the 90s, they themselves cut it, drank it, sold it, and stole what was left. Any whim of partners, for the loot, was executed with a half kick.
      It's hard to say anything for Furgal. Even if he is guilty, there is a whole cloud of such "vans" all over the country and a small cart can be collected, even got into different councils, they write laws.
      It looks like a purely "household grater", so they dug up the old skeletons, let's see how it ends.
  • Bitter Offline Bitter
    Bitter (Gleb) 13 July 2020 20: 22
    +1
    "Admiral Nakhimov" will be able to withstand the whole fleet ...

    Type one in the field warrior? If there is no one else in the field, you can, of course, call yourself a king. laughing
    The ship is cool, but a whole "pack" of various ships, airplanes and boats must also belong to it to accompany and support in completing tasks. Well, they also need replacement workers. At least one "kit". And without them there will be a purely "ceremonial" function, to walk through the ports with missions, show the flag and organize excursions.
    1. Alexey Sergeev Offline Alexey Sergeev
      Alexey Sergeev (Alexey Sergeev) 13 July 2020 22: 20
      -1
      Without an air wing, in the ocean - it will be destroyed with any escort (going against the AUG).
  • Is there still a couple of Orlanovs stagnating somewhere?
  • Michael I Offline Michael I
    Michael I (Michael I) 14 July 2020 20: 58
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    One question, what can he oppose 73 Arly Burke?
  • assault 2019 Offline assault 2019
    assault 2019 (assault 2019) 20 July 2020 19: 38
    +1
    I agree with Litovkin that there will be little sense from Nakhimov alone. It would be better to purchase 10-12 brigades of the Bastion M coastal missile systems with these funds, modernized under the hypersonic Zircon and supersonic Onyx-M with a range of 1000 and 800 km, respectively.
    The bastions under cover of air defense would tightly close all approaches to the shores of Russia in the Arctic and the Far East.