Enlightenment of Poles: "Stalin did the right thing by moving the borders of Poland"


An unusual discussion unfolded on the Gazeta Wyborcza website (Wyborcza.pl), where the famous publicist Witold Gadomski expressed his opinion on the arrangement of Poland’s borders after the Second World War.


The author believes that the Soviet leader Joseph Stalin, as well as the Western allies, ultimately did a great good for Poland by moving the borders of this country.

We exchanged poor spaces east of the Bug for much more developed, in terms of infrastructure, lands of Germany itself

- approved in the text.

Poland also lost the problem of ethnic minorities at the very moment when western Ukraine and Belarus withdrew to the Soviet Union.

Even more surprisingly, quite a few commentators from Poland supported this position. Although, of course, not all.

Some of their reviews:

Are lands in Western Pomerania really developed? This is not Silesia. And Poland received them after they were plundered by the Soviet army. We acquired Gdansk and Wroclaw in ruined condition, and Vilnius and Lviv were almost not affected during the war. Add to this enormous psychological damage - millions of people lost their homeland and were moved thousands of kilometers purely political decisions. [...] The problem of national minorities? Relations with Belarusians have always been good. With Ukrainians, too, so that nationalists do not broadcast there. Also, the main centers of Polish culture for centuries - Vilnius and Lviv are now located outside of Poland. No, there’s nothing to admire Stalin’s decisions, because he only wanted to weaken and subjugate Poland

- writes Azzo.

Vilnius and Lviv were enclaves among Lithuanians and Ukrainians, generally unfriendly to us

- the user 2mek999 objects to him.

The Vilnius region was ethnically Polish, but the Lithuanians considered it the historical part of Lithuania. For this reason, Lithuania did not maintain diplomatic relations with Poland. Ethnic minorities prevailed in the remaining territories, and stories about the idyll with them should be classified as fairy tales.

- added misiekczarny2.

Stalin's decisions to shift Poland’s borders westward deprived us of large territories dominated by national minorities. For the wealth of Polish culture, this, of course, is a loss, but Putin’s modern provocateurs and arsonists probably spit in a rage ... There is nowhere for the "green men" to come with the "elemental anger of the people" against the "oppression of Poland and the EU" ... And let's enjoy it ...

- claims zdystansu.

In Szczecin and Wroclaw, it is probably necessary to erect a monument to Stalin. But, as history teaches, it's too early

- assumes loza_prasowa_2017.

My father and grandfather were born in Lviv. But I think the current borders are better than the pre-war ones. Lviv to Wroclaw is a very good exchange! I like this beautiful, big city and the whole of Lower Silesia. Meanwhile, the loss of Vilnius does not bother at all. I have no feelings for this city. In exchange, we got Gdansk (not everyone knows that before the war it was not Polish) and Szczecin. It is also a good exchange.

- explained his position mirokomo.
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  1. rotkiv04 Offline rotkiv04
    rotkiv04 (Victor) 13 July 2020 08: 00
    0
    It's time to repay debts.
  2. beeper Offline beeper
    beeper 13 July 2020 08: 53
    +1
    And, nevertheless, the Polish lords "wiggle" to Western Ukraine and Belarus, they call them their Crescents of Wisdom (Eastern Outskirts)! winked
    Yes, and the subversive work is actively carried out with the local population by the Poles in Western Ukraine, in Western Belarus, with an eye on their annexation of these territories!
    Neither the Ukrainian authorities (all the years of the Deriban "independence" !!!), nor the Belarusian, in any way oppose this Polish "soft power" and "Pole cards" - the mood of the adjacent local population (it is clear, excluding the Hungarian and Slovak enclaves in Transcarpathia) is very pro-Polish (the Belarusian “father’s” at the same time publicly rejoices over “expanding Belarusian-Polish cooperation” and “the growth of Polish investments” in the border regions of Belarus)! request
    1. Sergey Tokarev Offline Sergey Tokarev
      Sergey Tokarev (Sergey Tokarev) 13 July 2020 14: 32
      -1
      Poles need land and slave labor. They are not going to assimilate all pischaks. Russia, by the way, too ...
  3. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 13 July 2020 09: 04
    -3
    Wah! Putin muddied the water. Everyone began to swear.
    Then it will be seen, they will really run into, or pokomment in networks and that's all ...
    1. Surzhik K Offline Surzhik K
      Surzhik K (Surzhik) 4 August 2020 12: 06
      +1
      Not so much muddied as pulled the truth out of dusty shelves. The Poles were preparing for war with the USSR and actively collaborated with Hitler. Pilsudski died at 38. Poland under the guise of deriban of Czechoslovakia took a bite of itself. And at 39 she rested, not wanting to give Hitler the way to Berlin, which was the reason for Hitler's attack. Ukraine is also smart, adopting a law on non-recognition of the 39 Pact. Yu. Shukhevych said: at least read what you accept, non-recognition of this document leads to the fact that Western Ukraine must be returned to Poland. Circus and nothing else.
  4. steelmaker Offline steelmaker
    steelmaker 13 July 2020 11: 07
    +2
    Stalin did everything in fairness. And Putin, if in fairness, about the land, correctly said.
  5. Alexander Sosnitsky (Alexander Sosnitsky) 13 July 2020 12: 26
    +1
    All of this part of Europe should continuously kiss Comrade Stalin in one place. I apologize for the vulgarity, but this is precisely the assessment of this issue. All world squabbles come from the West and Russia has nothing to do with it. Stalin only unleashed these problems.
  6. Sergey Tokarev Offline Sergey Tokarev
    Sergey Tokarev (Sergey Tokarev) 13 July 2020 14: 35
    +2
    The Poles first pushed the natives along the left bank, then along the right, and then all the rest. And Russia digests all sorts of vygovskih, mazep, poroshenok and others, getting thieving warrant officers at best. Now real estate will be transferred without living creatures ...
  7. You have to give Danzig for sure!
  8. Valery Kuznetsov (Valery Kuznetsov) 14 July 2020 00: 00
    +2
    If the Poles say so, then a mistake has come out. It would be more correct, on those lands, to equip yet another Kaliningrad. Neither the Germans nor the Poles would be offended. And the desire to move to the East for everyone would immediately disappear. And if, in contrast to the Americans, they also organize a base there with nuclear weapons too. Europe would have calmed down immediately and tiptoe began to walk, so as not to disturb the Russian bear. Sincerely.
  9. Polish ambition is a complex mass and individual psychopathological phenomenon inherent in the Poles, and characterizing Poland’s foreign policy.

    Material from the free Russian encyclopedia Tradition

    Sections of the Commonwealth:

    The first section of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth in 1772,

    The second section of the Commonwealth in 1793,

    The third section of the Commonwealth in 1795;

    The Vienna Congress of 1815, sometimes referred to as the fourth partition of Poland;

    The non-aggression treaty between Germany and the Soviet Union in 1939 is called either the fourth or fifth partition of Poland.

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    1. Surzhik K Offline Surzhik K
      Surzhik K (Surzhik) 4 August 2020 11: 51
      +1
      Napoleon and Alexander I also shared Poland. Only because of his ambitions, so as not to show that he was allegedly inferior to Alexander, he did not sign the treaty, which initially indicated that Poland would never be restored. The same Vilnius appears here. Napoleon said that he didn’t care about Poland, and he didn’t want its restoration, but he also didn’t want the Russians to think that he was inferior to them. After 120 years, almost the same story with Hitler was repeated.
  10. Dust Offline Dust
    Dust (Sergei) 14 July 2020 14: 21
    +2
    Wait, psheki, you’ll still be shown a nonsense! And we will help them! ... Remember, psheks, they don’t like traitors anywhere!
  11. Andrei Alexandrovich (Andrey Alexandrovich) 16 July 2020 04: 44
    +1
    To the author .... Trying in vain, dear. The process of the next partition of Poland, in general, cannot be avoided.
    Which, in general, will happen at the first opportunity.
  12. Surzhik K Offline Surzhik K
    Surzhik K (Surzhik) 4 August 2020 11: 39
    +1
    Here's an interesting phrase -

    Add to this the huge psychological damage - millions of people have lost their homeland.

    I'm wondering since when Galicia, Zap. Belarus and Lithuania became the homeland of Poles? These regions passed from hand to hand all the time, the last time they became Polish just 20 years before Stalin brought them back.
    1. Tamara.V Offline Tamara.V
      Tamara.V (Tamara) 21 August 2020 19: 34
      +1
      If you know the mood in Poland, in the official political agenda, then these are mask words. Comrade and so quite boldly expressed himself and rightly. I asked the discussion on time quite enough, considering that 5 years ago it was difficult even to imagine.
  13. ozv Offline ozv
    ozv (Oleg Z) 16 August 2020 09: 51
    +1
    Pshekam whatever you give - either a little, or not that.
  14. Tamara.V Offline Tamara.V
    Tamara.V (Tamara) 21 August 2020 19: 32
    +1
    I wrote a response to the user PISCHAK from July 13, and scribbled it on the whole War and Peace, since the events took place during this time and here the context is already different.

    Pikhaku: Kresy VshOdne not VshUdne, and these are not the Eastern outskirts, but tracing paper from the German Eastern Lands. That is, they consider it their eastern lands, and not at all outskirts. It is important.

    The rest of the thought is as follows.

    Now, this is important, but that's not the point. You can call it whatever you want. The main thing is what and how is done in this direction. And this is exactly what reveals the essence and we see it in the form of "protests" such as kuchma gett and other "Go away!", And then even a flood.

    The bottom line is that neither the Pole's Maps, nor anything else there is a tool. The tool in all this mess is the level of consciousness of the masses. The masses either For their country, or not quite FOR, or not at all FOR it. And you need to understand the reasons. Moreover, it is modern and timely. A friend has children. Well, they don't see prospects. So they were born and raised under the current presidents of the Union State (by the way, where is it?). And the idea of ​​"lack of prospects" through the same social networks is actively being introduced to the masses. And the masses who make revolutions are mostly young people. Well, where do we, married, married, with children in their arms go to some protest rallies every day? Who will feed the family then? Well, that's stupid in two weeks? On September 1, to collect the child for school where to get money ... yes 100 questions.

    So, they - the youth masses - do not need to think about it. Moreover, most of them do not really like their countries. And here it is not the Poles who are to blame (the youth there also fled to work for the Germans, for the British, for the French - from 3 to 5 million left because of the low level of salaries in Poland), as a rule, their own leadership is to blame. Where is the right work with young people, where are the prospects for them? In the same Poland. There are promises, but they are weak - study and get a job. And young people see the level of salaries and soap themselves instead of the institute - in couriers, in taxi drivers, or run "there". And "from there" are sweet promises - from $ 600 this is the minimum in Poland - for no responsibility at all - even as a fireman. Now imagine that young Poles themselves, because of such low wages in the EU, have fled across the EU. And not everyone will return. There is still that trouble.

    And so, these low-paid citizens raised their ears to the neighboring country with sweet promises of "freedom and solidarity" - look at the logo of the newspaper Vyborchay newspaper. Today I accidentally hit on an agricultural topic and sat down already. But that doesn't mean they are bad. They just have an interest in Poland. And they are so cleverly, or cunningly, but promoting it.
    And in Belarus, it means that they do not promote, or they do, but with much less efficiency, since this happens. In Russia, too, it is not good enough, since we support the protests so massively in the same social networks, although it is obvious, in my opinion, that for Russia, purely in terms of economy, there will be a hole no less than the 90s. I don't want to go back to the 90s. Romance-romance, but I want there to be growth and progress, not regression. Therefore, it is necessary to analyze what the Poles are doing and to do the same or better. There is a lot to learn.
  15. Sasha Vasiliev Offline Sasha Vasiliev
    Sasha Vasiliev (Sasha Vasiliev) 21 August 2020 21: 02
    -1
    With the collapse of the Soviets, Russia breathed a sigh of relief. There is no need to feed the parasites. The Russians regret only one thing - about jars of sprats, the noble ones were ashtrays for the people.
  16. gore Offline gore
    gore (Alexander) 17 September 2020 09: 54
    0
    Did the psheks croak, grunt or moan again?
  17. Andrey_2 Offline Andrey_2
    Andrey_2 (Andrey Ivanisov) 28 September 2020 21: 47
    0
    Lands of Germany, which psheki received from Stalin - to return to Germany. If they have already begun decommunization, let them carry it through to the end. Degenerates.