Will Israel risk testing its F-35s against Russian S-400s


Syria may become a testing ground for the American F-35 Lightning II against the Russian anti-aircraft system S-400, covering the Khmeimim air base. According to Israel, this will make it possible to verify the possibility of bypassing Russian S-400 complexes deployed at the Khmeimim airbase, including with coercion of Russia to open fire.


"Forcing a firing" is very serious, because legally it is fully consistent with the "bellie incident." Why, then, Tel Aviv can be ready to provoke a nuclear power to declare war?

In fact, several factors have developed. First, in Syria, Russia and the United States are waging an undeclared “hybrid” war between themselves, where “proxies” are widely used and new types of weapons are being tested. Secondly, the United States is experiencing a number of serious problems with its widely publicized fifth-generation fighter, which is essentially a “flying iPhone,” about which we told earlier. For its further promotion, some loud PR action is needed. Thirdly, in the territory of the SAR there is a convenient "sparring partner", Russia with its S-300 and S-400 air defense systems. Earlier, the Israelis have already tested the “Favorites” and, in their words, have recognized the system is not effective enough against the F-35 Lightning II.

But there was still the "Triumph", which covers Khmeimim, and it is not his task to intercept aircraft outside the aerodrome zone. However, the Kremlin itself, so to speak, framed itself, giving permission to use the air base for the transit of Iranian military cargoes, as previously reported in the media. As you know, Israel mercilessly bombes any military infrastructure of the Islamic Republic in Syria. Thus, there are some reasons to expect a “raid” by the IDF on Khmeimim.

It remains to understand what “compulsion to open fire” means. Can Israeli pilots launch a bombing raid on a warehouse where military supplies are stored for the needs of Iranian "proxies"? The question is controversial. Such an attack can be interpreted as an act of military aggression against Russia. Another thing is that the Kremlin is hardly ready to start a full-scale war against Israel in the Middle East, and quite adequate people are sitting in Tel Aviv to prevent such flagrant provocations.

It is more likely that we will talk about the "air raid" without shelling. It is important for Israel and the United States to uncover the real possibilities of the latest Russian air defense system, to check whether they see the fifth generation aircraft or they don’t see. It is possible that IDF pilots will make frankly provocative overflights at the air base, provoking Khmeimim to open fire. Will the S-400 shoot down the F-35 Lightning II?

It is not known exactly what instructions our calculations have, but, most likely, the Triumphs will confine themselves to “detecting” and taking fighters at gunpoint. Can also be applied "non-lethal" methods of pacification, namely, the mobile complex electronic warfare Krasukha-4. Let us hope that their invisible strike on the aircraft systems will be enough to discourage Israelis and Americans from conducting such dangerous "exercises."
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  1. Arkharov Offline Arkharov
    Arkharov (Grigory Arkharov) 19 June 2020 13: 49
    +6
    Can Israeli pilots launch a bombing raid on a warehouse where military supplies are stored for the needs of Iranian "proxies"?

    - But what, the author expressly admits finding such cargoes at a Russian military base? In general, the article resembles a set of not quite real fantasies, to say the least.
  2. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 19 June 2020 13: 58
    +1
    Survived. Media cited anonymous Jews in the S-400 rating.
    Who are these "counting in Israel" ??? Couch anonymous social media?

    In fact, it was reported that the F-35s had already bombed Syria.
    And to deliver an expensive belly for stupidity is no fools. Maximum - agree with Shoigu and throw several missiles or planning bombs.
    We, they say. you, you to us. And then come, pliz, go to the synagogue, note .......
  3. Alexzn Offline Alexzn
    Alexzn (Alexander) 19 June 2020 15: 18
    -1
    A set of obscure assumptions with obscure conclusions. In addition, Jerusalem is again replaced by T-Aviv, which is also significant.
  4. gorenina91 Online gorenina91
    gorenina91 (Irina) 19 June 2020 16: 26
    -2
    - Actually ... actually ... actually ...
    - I’ll tell you personally I am an absurd seditious thing ...
    - But there’s simply no strength ...- to look at the fact that Russia is not taking advantage ... is not taking advantage of opportunities that can be taken advantage of for a long time ...:
    - Well, why not put the Turks (or even the Americans) under the fire of Israeli planes in Syria ????
    - Well, that our intelligence, possessing gorgeous satellite data; and at the same time using electronic interference (electronic game) ... - cannot organize a "set up" ... - even a series of "several sets up" ... - as a result of which the Israelis can take the position of the Turks (or even Americans) for their "favorite Al-Qaeda "... - and launch its missile strikes ...
    - Personally, I have already written more than once about the weak work of our intelligence in Syria (yes, you see, experts in the field of electronic warfare, and "tracking" ... - most likely ... - "so-so") ...
    - It is a pity that Russia is capable of conducting military operations in Syria only almost as "at the level" of the WWII times ... Somehow it is even insulting and anxious for Russia ...
  5. Binder Offline Binder
    Binder (Miron) 19 June 2020 16: 38
    +2
    Somewhat surprising is the credulity of the author of this text - for some reason he is completely convinced that the political and military leadership of the Russian Federation would provide the Persians with the opportunity to land transport aircraft at the Russian air base to transfer and store military cargo from Iran, with the further transfer of these goods to their proxies. I have a higher opinion about the level of thinking of Russian leaders. In fact, one should estimate - why would the Russians suddenly decide to substitute themselves so thoughtlessly? The Persians are never friends with them, but they have stable relations with the Israelis, and the reaction in the world to such help would be definitely negative, does the Kremlin need it?
    Well, as for identifying the real capabilities of the S-400, I hasten to assure the respected community that they have long been fully known by both the American and Israeli military, and there is currently no reason to conduct additional testing. hi
  6. kriten Offline kriten
    kriten (Vladimir) 19 June 2020 16: 54
    +1
    Israel has carte blanche against GDP for any bombing in Syria. What are they afraid of ???
  7. Alexzn Offline Alexzn
    Alexzn (Alexander) 19 June 2020 18: 01
    +1
    Quote: gorenina91
    as a result, the Israelis can take the position of the Turks (or even the Americans) for their "beloved al-Qaeda" ... - and launch their missile strikes ...

    Al Qaeda is the Sunnis, and the Israelis bomb the Shiites, but you don’t know about this, apparently, the electronic game is in the way ...
  8. Warrior Offline Warrior
    Warrior 19 June 2020 19: 47
    -1
    Israel will take the risk, which it has already done more than once, but the S-400s will again be "done" in Syria and blame everything on untrained Syrians ..
    1. gorenina91 Online gorenina91
      gorenina91 (Irina) 20 June 2020 07: 30
      -1
      Israel will take the risk, which it has already done more than once, but the S-400s will again be "done" in Syria and blame everything on untrained Syrians ..

      - Yes, of course it will risk ...
      - Israel has long worked out an "algorithm" against the S-300 ... - Greece helped the Israelis very actively in this ... - When the Israelis used massive attacks against the S-300 in joint exercises with Greece ... delivered the S-300 ...
      - Most likely, these "joint exercises" were then organized to obtain a "problem-solving algorithm" ... against the S-300 ... - Probably Israel just paid Greece a "certain amount" for this ...
      - Well, after that ... - it is not difficult to get an "antidote" and against the S-400 ...
      - My plus to you, Mr. Warrior ...
      1. Binder Offline Binder
        Binder (Miron) 20 June 2020 17: 50
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        Quote: gorenina91
        these "joint exercises" were then organized to obtain an "algorithm for solving problems" ... against the S-300 ... - Probably, Israel just paid then Greece "a certain amount" for this ...

        Money is not happiness, honey. Many armies in the world themselves are willing to pay for the opportunity to conduct joint exercises with the Israelis to improve the qualifications of their personnel and gain invaluable experience in conducting military operations using the latest methods and techniques. funds. And the Greeks are no exception, especially since, unlike the majority of NATO members that no one is threatening at the moment, Greece has its permanent adversary - Turkey, for which the Greeks should always be ready as those young pioneers ...
    2. Piramidon Offline Piramidon
      Piramidon (Stepan) 27 June 2020 09: 55
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      Quote: Warrior
      C-400 again in Syria "get it done"

      And when did they do it? Was there an Israeli air raid on Khmeimim?

      blame everything on the untrained Syrians

      Not a single Syrian is in the control panels of the S-400.
  9. Cheburashk Offline Cheburashk
    Cheburashk (Vladimir) 20 June 2020 17: 34
    -1
    The day is clear that they will take a chance and, moreover, insolently. They will fly, see how and what, and for how much, they will draw conclusions for themselves and simply mean all the information.
  10. aleksandrmakedo Offline aleksandrmakedo
    aleksandrmakedo (Dubovitsky Victor Kuzmich) 20 June 2020 19: 56
    +1
    A couple of times to warn. The third time to warn completely. These conversations will lull vigilance, and the Israelis will try ..... having lost caution, but they need to shoot their invisible without fail, an old rocket. Which will put an end to the penguins' ambitions and ruin their iron sales market. Most of all, of course, will be happy in Ankara and Tel Aviv. Warsaw will freeze between two decisions - to buy - not to buy .... Those who buy scrap metal will nibble on themselves something that they can reach.
    1. Binder Offline Binder
      Binder (Miron) 20 June 2020 20: 34
      +1
      Quote: aleksandrmakedo
      But they need to shoot their invisible without fail, an old rocket. Which will put an end to the penguins' ambitions and ruin their iron sales market.

      And think, good citizen, what will happen if your valiant air defense systems cannot hit the F-35 with either an old or even a brand new rocket? Of course, the propagandists will tell you quite truthfully that the "unparalleled" S-400 complexes hit more fifth-generation fighters than there are in Israel, but who would believe that? Sadness, however ... lol
      1. aleksandrmakedo Offline aleksandrmakedo
        aleksandrmakedo (Dubovitsky Victor Kuzmich) 20 June 2020 23: 28
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        Quote: Bindyuzhnik
        Quote: aleksandrmakedo
        But they need to shoot their invisible without fail, an old rocket. Which will put an end to the penguins' ambitions and ruin their iron sales market.

        And think, good citizen, what will happen if your valiant air defense systems cannot hit the F-35 with either an old or even a brand new rocket? Of course, the propagandists will tell you quite truthfully that the "unparalleled" S-400 complexes hit more fifth-generation fighters than there are in Israel, but who would believe that? Sadness, however ... lol

        And what will we lose if the S-200 or S-75 misses? This is exactly what I had in mind when speaking of the OLD. It is clear, with the definition of the goal, accompaniment and other nannies, you can help with more perfect eyes.
        1. Binder Offline Binder
          Binder (Miron) 21 June 2020 18: 28
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          Quote: aleksandrmakedo
          And what will we lose if the S-200 or S-75 misses?

          At a minimum, you will lose those systems that will be attacked by Israeli air force planes, and more likely all of your air defense systems in Syria, and without any connection with the effectiveness of the attack. bully
          1. aleksandrmakedo Offline aleksandrmakedo
            aleksandrmakedo (Dubovitsky Victor Kuzmich) 21 June 2020 18: 30
            +1
            Quote: Bindyuzhnik
            Quote: aleksandrmakedo
            And what will we lose if the S-200 or S-75 misses?

            At a minimum, you will lose those systems that will be attacked by Israeli air force planes, and more likely all of your air defense systems in Syria, and without any connection with the effectiveness of the attack. bully

            If the Israelites had the resources, the courage, and had such a task, they would have done it a long time ago. But now other people's airplanes at the Russian base landed and will land. Exactly as long as we consider it appropriate. Who will interfere with this? Can you tell me why Putin doesn’t go to Israel 5 times a year, but Netanyahu to Moscow? Who needs - he goes.
            1. Binder Offline Binder
              Binder (Miron) 21 June 2020 18: 59
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              Quote: aleksandrmakedo
              If the Israelites had the resources, the courage, and had such a task, they would have done it a long time ago. But other people's airplanes at the Russian base landed and will land.

              Naive Chukchi youth, for the Israelis to smash the Khmeimim base into dust is a matter of a few minutes. The fact is that so far the task is not set - Iranian transport planes do not land there because the Russian leadership understands the possible consequences of this and is not interested in confrontation with the most powerful military force in the region. As for the courage of the Israelis, it is known to the whole world - the Israelis were not afraid to shoot down British fighters in 1948, destroy the American reconnaissance ship Liberty in 1967, defeat Soviet pilots on MiGs in the summer of 1970 over Egypt, greatly thin out Soviet air defense crews during the First Lebanese 1982, and you think that today anyone in Israel is afraid of the Russian Federation? laughing
              1. aleksandrmakedo Offline aleksandrmakedo
                aleksandrmakedo (Dubovitsky Victor Kuzmich) 21 June 2020 19: 01
                +1
                Quote: Bindyuzhnik
                Quote: aleksandrmakedo
                If the Israelites had the resources, the courage, and had such a task, they would have done it a long time ago. But other people's airplanes at the Russian base landed and will land.

                Naive Chukchi youth, for the Israelis to smash the Khmeimim base into dust is a matter of several minutes. The fact is that so far the task is not set - Iranian transport planes do not land there, because the Russian leadership understands the possible consequences of this and is not interested in confrontation with the most powerful military force in the region. As for the courage of the Israelis, it is known all over the world - the Israelis were not afraid to shoot down British fighters in 1948, destroy the American reconnaissance ship Liberty in 1967, defeat Soviet pilots on MiGs in the summer of 1970 over Egypt, greatly thin out Soviet air defense crews during the First Lebanese 1982, and you think that today anyone in Israel is afraid of the Russian Federation? laughing

                To destroy the base is to declare war on a nuclear power, exceeding the resources of this unfinished thousand times. It’s a shame to argue with you.
                1. Binder Offline Binder
                  Binder (Miron) 21 June 2020 19: 20
                  0
                  Quote: aleksandrmakedo
                  To destroy the base is to declare war on a nuclear power, exceeding the resources of this unfinished thousand times. It’s a shame to argue with you.

                  Your nuclear power pays indefinite tribute to a handful of Chechen shepherds, and you still say ...
                  1. gorenina91 Online gorenina91
                    gorenina91 (Irina) 22 June 2020 05: 13
                    +1
                    Your nuclear power pays indefinite tribute to a handful of Chechen shepherds, and you still say ...

                    - My plus ...
                    - Yes, and not only do we pay tribute to them; but Turkey has already contracted to pay ... - we are already paying for the entire Erdogan mono performance, where the endless absurd improvisation of the only and main "performer" is performed ... - well, we are already used to it ... - we just pay and ... and sometimes we even applaud ...
                    - And that's not all, to whom Russia widely and generously "patronizes" ... - I just don't want to climb into the jungle ...
                    - But ... but ... but Israel too ... has calmed down enough today ... - and is also afraid of a lot of things ... - I will not "climb into the jungle" either ...
                    - So Israel will not succeed anymore ... as there is in the Odessa song

                    ... and all the bandits got up when he entered the pub ...

                    - So today Israel has to very carefully enter the "pub" in the Middle. East ... - And don't drink an "extra mug of beer" there ...
                    1. Binder Offline Binder
                      Binder (Miron) 22 June 2020 17: 55
                      -4
                      Quote: gorenina91
                      but Israel, too ... today is quite quiet ... - and it’s also afraid of a lot of things ...

                      And what is Israel afraid of today, in what is this fear expressed? I think that the situation is exactly the opposite - never before since independence in 1948. the Israelis did not feel as strong and confident as they are today, time works for Israel. good
                2. Piramidon Offline Piramidon
                  Piramidon (Stepan) 27 June 2020 10: 05
                  +1
                  Quote: aleksandrmakedo
                  To destroy the base is to declare war on a nuclear power, exceeding the resources of this unfinished thousand times. It’s a shame to argue with you.

                  With the IDF veteran hero, arguing is not only shameful, but also dangerous. He in 6 seconds, the whole of Russia, without taking his ass off the couch, smash. laughing
              2. gorenina91 Online gorenina91
                gorenina91 (Irina) 22 June 2020 04: 53
                +1
                defeat Soviet pilots on MiGs in the summer of 1970 over Egypt, greatly thin out Soviet air defense calculations during the First Lebanese 1982,

                - Alas ...- but this is so ... - Losers and C-students only in children's films-serials (like "Yeralash") look cute and funny ... - But how dangerous they are in the army, medicine, construction of important objects .. - yes, wherever good preparation, class knowledge and the ability to create and create are required ...
                - But in Russia, unfortunately ... - as they sat down on the hackneyed topic of heroism ... - and still cannot "get off" ... - Everyone hopes for "paratroopers on armor", for the effect of crappy pseudo patriotic films ... like ... - "Ninth Company"; "Storm Gates" and other unpretentious rubbish ...; where daring and cheap pseudo heroic effects hide the complete failure of the command and the very principle of conducting military operations ... - For this, one must demote and condemn ... - and they are trying to sing this ... as courage ... - And the result of all this is not so The "dashing Wagnerites" (Wagner PMCs) demonstrated long ago, who were simply destroyed (without any losses from their enemy) ... - That's "all the daring" ... - It just becomes scary when you see .. what is going on. ..
                - That's the way we glorify ... still such courage ... - the result is known ...
                1. Binder Offline Binder
                  Binder (Miron) 22 June 2020 17: 59
                  -2
                  One of the pluses is mine, because in all the armies of civilized states there is a principle - a living soldier is preferable to a dead hero. And there is also the saying of one great commander:

                  The soldier’s feat is the result of a general mistake.
                2. Michael1950 Offline Michael1950
                  Michael1950 (Michael) 27 June 2020 15: 37
                  -2
                  So it was not necessary, since 1937, to spread rot and spread rot on Jews, to restrict their rights, to prohibit their appointment to leading positions, to push them out of the country by all means. Look at the United States: there, a Jew can be the Minister of Defense, and head the CIA, and hold any top positions in the state apparatus. Look at their institutes and laboratories engaged in military research: there "a Jew sits on a Jew and drives a Jew"! There are as many Jewish officers in the US army as there are Jews in the total population ~ 2% (soldiers, however, are almost 10 times less in percentage terms, lol ) they occupy any position, up to the highest generals, and no one thinks there to spread rot on the "5th point" - they are appointed to any position according to their abilities. You, glorious Russians, got rid of the most advanced, initiative and talented part of the country's people - and now you are lamenting that "things are going sucks" ?! You gave two million of your Jews to the United States and Israel - now you are crying that things are going well there, but for some reason it is bad for you ...