Minsk proposes to exchange MZKT for Russian gas

18 2020 June 72

For several decades, Moscow made unsuccessful attempts to buy the Minsk Wheel Tractor Plant. However, having been refused, in Russia they decided to develop domestic analogues of heavy vehicles from Belarus. Realizing that the MZKT might soon be out of work, local experts came up with interesting initiatives.

The famous Belarusian political scientist Alexander Shpakovsky, who is considered close to the leading circles of Belarus, proposed to sell the plant to Moscow in exchange for domestic Russian gas prices. This is very similar to "sounding the soil."

If the MZKT is needed for the needs of the Russian military-industrial complex, then it must be sold. If for the needs of the Belarusian economics if domestic gas prices are needed, they must be provided, despite all the costs of Gazprom

- said the expert.

According to the political scientist, such a deal would be natural for the Union State, where commercial gain is secondary.

If Belarus needs to sacrifice its interests on this or that vector for the sake of Russia, then this must be done. If costs arise for Belarus in this regard, then Russia should compensate them preventively

- the expert is sure.

We remind you that in the near future Russia will begin mass production of its own chassis for various types of mobile missile systems. Tractor units are created by KamAZ PJSC in accordance with Platform-O.

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Poppies

+4

18 June 2020 13: 56

If there are costs for Belarus in this regard, then Russia should compensate them preventively.

- the key word is Russia should !!!
1. A.Lex
  
  +4
  
  18 June 2020 22: 13
  
  Tatyan, there is also written about Belarus that should... why didn't you indicate this too? After all, if you want to be honest, you need to be honest to the end ...
  1. Poppies
    
    +1
    
    26 June 2020 07: 20
    
    As I saw "Russia should" - I got carried away and my comment, in fact, turned out to be off topic.
    1. A.Lex
      
      0
      
      26 June 2020 08: 10
      
      It happens! Do not be upset.
2. Andrey Smolin
  
  +1
  
  25 June 2020 23: 32
  
  Tatyana, relations between Belarus and Russia have been very specific since the creation of the Byelorussian SSR. And with the collapse of the USSR, Belarus tried to assume the functions of the capital of the CIS and create the most diverse bodies of the CIS. And this is very significant. Self-confidence among the leaders of Belarus is very serious. When Old Man Lukashenko tried to arrest me in Belarus and sent me to the KGB cell, I had to press the button of my phone and block all financial operations of Belarus around the world. Dad had to ask me for forgiveness and ask me to restore the work of banks in Belarus. And he admitted that I and Russia owe him nothing. And that's it. Everywhere they respect Mind, Talent and the ability to make Decisions that force the authorities of states to fulfill their duties. And when the euro system was introduced, European leaders called me at home and asked for my help and advice. And Russia in my face has created the euro system. And under Vladimir Putin, Russia paid all the debts of the USSR and the Russian Empire and owed nothing to anyone.
  I personally built the city of Vitebsk at my own expense, from where Lukashenko came to the presidency. I was an ordinary Soviet billionaire and just worked from the heart. After Chernobyl, I helped millions of Chernobyl victims in Belarus. And happy that the majority remained alive. The work was hellish, day and night. And then I rested in a holiday home in Belarus and wrote the Draft Constitution of the country. I should not have done this work. And I did not make money on this. I was just wondering. And so I live my whole life, from the heart. At the age of 6, I first sailed to Vitebsk by kayak and began cooperation with the Republic of Belarus.
  I love Belarus. Interesting country. I will be glad to answer from you.
  
  Sincerely, Andrey Smolin
  Moscow
  Russia
  1. Poppies
    
    0
    
    26 June 2020 06: 14
    
    Thanks for supporting my comment.
    
    Under Vladimir Putin, Russia paid all the debts of the USSR and the Russian Empire and owed nothing to anyone.
alexandrmakedo

+5

18 June 2020 14: 33

What nonsense ?! To create and maintain a competitor to the Russian auto industry, and in return to lose at fair prices for gas?
Buy and export to Russia, as well as supply gas SUGUBO for their own needs, excluding any re-export - this can be considered.
1. A.Lex
  
  -1
  
  18 June 2020 22: 15
  
  ... eh, Kuzmich, Kuzmich ...
  1. alexandrmakedo
    
    +7
    
    18 June 2020 22: 31
    
    Quote: A.Lex
    ... eh Kuzmich, Kuzmich ...
    
    What's wrong? Listen to this collective farm chairman threatening to strangle Russia with a pipe. And where - In Germany, Merkel, five years ago. For his proposal in the United State - Russia - Belarus to print money in Minsk, too. Drive the broom to .... With their 2% of the total GDP, slap the rubles, driving up inflation. But, the transit of everything is strictly his diocese. Why the hell to play giveaway all the time? He is worse than a cancerous tumor, he’s completely sick of it.
    1. A.Lex
      
      0
      
      18 June 2020 22: 39
      
      ... but why is everything in a hurry somewhere? ...
2. sirvid
  
  -3
  
  19 June 2020 19: 37
  
  And if you don’t do this, then American missiles will stand near Smolensk !!! Something like this!!!
  1. plabu
    
    +2
    
    19 June 2020 20: 32
    
    Quote: sirvid
    And if you don’t do this, then American missiles will stand near Smolensk !!! Something like this !!!
    
    Do you want to live as a target as a target? This is your choice.
  2. Ivan Chistyakov
    
    +4
    
    19 June 2020 21: 51
    
    And here’s the usual Belarusian blackmail:
    
    Well, do good to us, damned Russians, otherwise we will quickly get over and American missiles will stand near Smolensk!
    
    But alas, oh, Russia will not be led to your blackmail, everything has been clear with you since 1991. Live on your own.
3. sirvid
  
  -4
  
  19 June 2020 19: 44
  
  So you have given out the main secret of modern Russian business - deceive a partner and you will be in chocolate !!! And what you, as Russia, have come to - the closest ally, Belarus, does not want to have anything with oligarchic Russia !!! Tolerates, neighbor, after all .... Ugh ....
  1. plabu
    
    +3
    
    19 June 2020 20: 34
    
    Quote: sirvid
    So you have given out the main secret of modern Russian business - deceive your partner and you will be in chocolate !!! And what do you, as Russia came to, the closest ally, Belarus, does not want to have anything to do with the oligarchic Raska !!! Tolerates, neighbor, after all .... Ugh ....
    
    Interesting "logic" you have - they offered, offered, in the end they began to do something of their own - is it now called a deception? Think in an original way.
  2. Ivan Chistyakov
    
    +4
    
    19 June 2020 21: 30
    
    ABOUT! And here the "allies" are drawn. Those who have been robbing Russia for 20+ years still dare to talk about it! How long have you become an ally? In 21 years of the Union State, have you done anything really allied? Just one example? Oh, I forgot - Belarusians remember about alliance only when they need something from Russia.
    And of course, we will not have anything to do with galloping zmagars from Belarus.
Bakht

+3

18 June 2020 15: 51

The economy must be economical.

Independence must be independent.
1. A.Lex
  
  +1
  
  18 June 2020 22: 22
  
  The question is a little on a different plane ...
  In general, production, which is strategic, should remain under public administration. Private sectors should be satisfied with the service sector and other consumer goods (with direct control of the state ... the state DOES NOT have to self-alleviate in the economy ... otherwise this place will be taken by those who want to shit on this state!).
  Regarding the topic of the article - here the question is not worth a damn. This is a consultative-negotiated issue between structures that decide the GENERAL ECONOMIC strategy of the JOINT state ... and not the absorbed-built-in one (as SOME screams here with the prefix RB).
gorenina91

0

18 June 2020 16: 17

We remind you that in the near future Russia will begin mass production of its own chassis for various types of mobile missile systems. Tractor units are created by KamAZ PJSC in accordance with Platform-O.

- If, in reality, Russia is ready in the near future to begin "serial production of its own chassis for mobile missile systems of various types." ... - then the "proposal for an MZKT" (if there is such a thing at all) ... - clearly belated ...
- And if Russia is bluffing with a willingness to produce its own chassis; then it is necessary to immediately acquire this "Belarusian MZKT" (if Belarus itself is not bluffing) ...
1. General Black
  
  +6
  
  18 June 2020 17: 30
  
  Russia is not bluffing. Now, if so interesting.
  
  https://eadaily.com/ru/news/2019/03/07/v-rossii-nachali-perehod-na-sobstvennye-shassi-dlya-raketnyh-kompleksov
  1. Bakht
    
    +3
    
    18 June 2020 18: 40
    
    The link says that the transition will occur within ten years. According to other sources, it is planned for 2023. At the same time, they write that the work on the "Platform" is not entirely successful, and it is planned to develop another family of tractors.
    Is there any intelligible information about the KAMAZ-78504 family?
    1. orange
      
      +1
      
      18 June 2020 18: 44
      
      Experience is the son of difficult mistakes ...
      1. Bakht
        
        +3
        
        18 June 2020 18: 46
        
        Probably. It is difficult to judge from the outside. But KAMAZ seems to have announced the creation of another Compressor platform.
        
        orange
        
        +4
        
        18 June 2020 18: 50
        
        It doesn't matter what the problems are. Nobody has done motor wheels yet. KAMAZ has never done this. The state subsidizes, we must use the chance to create an innovative product, even if it takes some time.
        
        Bakht
        
        +1
        
        18 June 2020 18: 53
        
        Yes of course. I opened the VPK website. There are quite a few links there.
        
        https://vpk.name/?s=камаз+78504
        
        For example, this -
        
        https://vk.cc/avYEIC
        
        Bakht
        
        +1
        
        18 June 2020 19: 14
        
        https://vpk.name/news/159516_sergei_shoigu_
        zanes_sapog_nad_chelninskoi_yadernoi_sorokonozhkoi.html
        
        A.Lex
        
        +2
        
        18 June 2020 22: 31
        
        Bakhtiyar, here everything is written on the water with a pitchfork ... In general, this topic, with the creation of a replacement for the MZKT, is very multifaceted. As an example, we can cite various developments of the Kamaz itself, as well as the fact that there is still no SPECIFIC decision on the part of the Russian leadership. Just as there is no complete refusal to use the products of MZKT ... we will watch the development of the situation ...
        PS .. there still a lot of things depend on the leadership of the Republic of Belarus and on the situation in the Republic of Belarus itself ... It hurts already there everything begins to boil ... it is not clear which way ...
        In general, everything is very muddy, let's not rush to conclusions.
        
        Bakht
        
        +3
        
        18 June 2020 22: 54
        
        Moreover, if everything begins to boil, then we must do it ourselves. In general, everything that can be produced by oneself must be done. I am not good at automotive topics. But there were factories in Russia that could produce heavy equipment.
        Following the example of Ukraine, just as the Navy was left without engines, the Strategic Missile Forces can also remain without a chassis.
        
        Ivan Chistyakov
        
        +2
        
        19 June 2020 21: 15
        
        At the moment, all ship turbines previously purchased in Ukraine are manufactured by us. The first frigates with purely Russian turbines have already been transferred to our fleet.
        With helicopter turbines previously purchased in Ukraine, the issue was completely closed back in 2016. Since 2016, these turbines have been mass-produced by us.
        The Strategic Missile Forces, too, will not remain without a chassis. Right now, Kamaz is building new workshops for the production of multi-axle tractors. And in addition, we have a BAZ that also produces similar equipment.
        
        Bakht
        
        +5
        
        19 June 2020 23: 11
        
        Of course, life will not stop because of Ukraine or Belarus. But just because of ship turbines, the deadlines for the delivery of ships were shifted. It is necessary to prepare in advance. Apparently, not everything is fine in the garden of the father ...
        
        A.Lex
        
        +1
        
        22 June 2020 18: 02
        
        Nothing will remain. Most likely, everything was postponed to a later date - we still hope for the unification of the Republic of Belarus and the Russian Federation. True, opportunities are becoming less and less - AHL is making our relationships worse and worse. And the leaders of his country (both bureaucracy and the oligarchy) do not add opportunities for unification - everyone thinks that our moneybags will rob them ...
        
        A.Lex
        
        +1
        
        26 June 2020 08: 28
        
        You are not quite in the know. There were no problems with engines (not only the Navy, but also helicopter ones). Just to support the economy of the former Ukrainian SSR, we did not SPECIALLY expand production. And so the factories that made such products have already been built. It's just that they often DAMAGE TO YOURSELF in the leadership of the Russian Federation, they often continue to think in terms of Soviet times (like they are "brotherly" to us!) And try to support those who have long been no one to us, or even enemies hiding behind sheep's skins.
        And for the Navy, "Saturn" is now working (in the structure of the UEC).
        In principle, the Russian Federation at the moment, having closed the borders for ALL foreign manufacturers, is able to provide itself with any STRATEGIC products that we are buying in the near and far abroad.
        
        Bakht
        
        +1
        
        26 June 2020 08: 45
        
        If there were no problems with the engines, then why did the delivery dates for the ships move?
        You contradict yourself. Regardless of the reasons, if production was not deployed in the Russian Federation, then there were no engines. The fact that they have now solved this problem does not mean that it did not exist. On the contrary. The problem was and it was solved
        
        https://flotprom.ru/2018/Оборонка379/
        
        But with the second three frigates of the project 11356P / M, problems remain. They are known and associated with the M7N1 gas turbine units manufactured by the Zorya-Mashproekt Nikolaev enterprise, which stopped supplying the Yantar gas turbine plant after the Kiev embargo on military and dual-use products was exported to Russia. Money for these power units has been paid for a long time, but it is unlikely that they will reach Kaliningrad in the foreseeable future.
        
        https://oborona.ru/includes/periodics/navy/2016/0322/134218145/detail.shtml
        
        alexandrmakedo
        
        +2
        
        18 June 2020 23: 09
        
        Quote: A.Lex
        Bakhtiyar, here everything is written on the water with a pitchfork ... In general, this topic, with the creation of a replacement for the MZKT, is very multifaceted. As an example, we can cite various developments of the Kamaz itself, as well as the fact that there is still no SPECIFIC decision on the part of the Russian leadership. Just as there is no complete refusal to use the products of MZKT ... we will watch the development of the situation ...
        PS .. there still a lot of things depend on the leadership of the Republic of Belarus and on the situation in the Republic of Belarus itself ... It hurts already there everything begins to boil ... it is not clear which way ...
        In general, everything is very muddy, let's not rush to conclusions.
        
        That's it. This is another reason to look slightly from the side. Long-term contracts - a scourge, a rake on which we run a hundred times. You need to forget about the long-term. The market is mobile. To have a long, good price when prices fail in the district is for sure, push the buyer away from you. How to snap? Or take it, or pay? In international courts, this does not roll. To fight, perhaps, for the loot? Okay - with the Baltic states, they don’t feel sorry, because, almost with their ....
    2. A.Lex
      
      0
      
      18 June 2020 22: 25
      
      Bakhtiyar, and she is always so - just to remind myself ... although the crown (at the moment) is a complete ZERO.
2. Observer2014
  
  -1
  
  18 June 2020 17: 56
  
  If in reality Russia is ready in the near future to begin "serial production of its own chassis for mobile missile systems of various types."
  
  And here’s the result and see who bluffed. Russia or Belarus.
  1. A.Lex
    
    0
    
    18 June 2020 22: 32
    
    No need to rush to conclusions.
  2. alexandrmakedo
    
    +2
    
    19 June 2020 22: 20
    
    Quote: Observer2014
    If in reality Russia is ready in the near future to begin "serial production of its own chassis for mobile missile systems of various types."
    
    And here’s the result and see who bluffed. Russia or Belarus.
    
    Interestingly, having everything that is needed on hand, Russia is bluffing. Have you ever played cards? So behaving luckyly getting a good hand?
    1. Observer2014
      
      -3
      
      19 June 2020 22: 27
      
      I am not a player. And endure hate playing for something. But luck is present. I mainly use my feelings and instincts. By the way, gorenina91 (Irina) herself, perhaps without realizing it, led to this conclusion. And it’s very cool.
3. A.Lex
  
  0
  
  18 June 2020 22: 23
  
  This is us, Irochka, ... from your "ghetto" - if you are not in the course of this topic, then do not write lengthy comments ...
beeper

+5

18 June 2020 16: 25

The spoon is good for dinner!

This is our Russian folk proverb, which is really completely unknown to a handful of Minsk "neolitvin" (in fact, mega-mercantile small-town "gesheftmachers" who aimed at the "cookies" of the State Department in a Russophobic manner) ?!
camo ridges

+5

18 June 2020 17: 59

At the Bryansk Automobile Plant, wheel tractors for the S-500 and some other equipment have already been developed and produced. Therefore, the MZKT is cut off from all promising developments in this area. It seems that KAMAZ will master the production of tractors for the S-400, and then the Belarusian plant can be closed, because no one in the world will be interested in its rather specific products. Late guys fussed, now - except that they will give them away for nothing, but they will save jobs.
Well, gas is being pulled in here - and all out of despair, gas agreements must be earned not by empty talk, but by real integration ...
1. King3214
  
  +4
  
  18 June 2020 18: 27
  
  Today they will give it up, and tomorrow they will nationalize it, announcing the raider seizure of the "tasty Belarusian industry" ...
  This is already the second Ukraine, Country of Fools 2.0.
2. alexandrmakedo
  
  +2
  
  20 June 2020 20: 04
  
  Quote: Camo Gryadshi
  At the Bryansk Automobile Plant, wheel tractors for the S-500 and some other equipment have already been developed and produced. Therefore, the MZKT is cut off from all promising developments in this area. It seems that KAMAZ will master the production of tractors for the S-400, and then the Belarusian plant can be closed, because no one in the world will be interested in its rather specific products. Late guys fussed, now - except that they will give them away for nothing, but they will save jobs.
  Well, gas is being pulled in here - and all out of despair, gas agreements must be earned not by empty talk, but by real integration ...
  
  You know what a thing. Here for some reason they think about particulars - there is such a machine - there is no such machine. We saw a prototype - did not see.
  It is necessary to solve in a big way - to allow them to compete with our car factories - not to allow. And from this decision, carry out their own further actions.
  What is the use of tractor wheels talking. Fine and not worthy.
King3214

+1

18 June 2020 18: 25

It’s better to lose something with a smart than a fool.

Belarus from the second.
Citizen Mѣshkov

+3

18 June 2020 18: 56

Old Man, don’t change anything. All this will go to ineffective oligarchs who plunder and ruin the economy! And gas can be bought at the market price.
Karabas_Barabas

+2

18 June 2020 19: 43

Create an order of magnitude harder than using! The creator is more independent than the user!
1. A.Lex
  
  +1
  
  18 June 2020 22: 34
  
  ... but the user can CHOOSE another creator-producer!
2. ver_
  
  +1
  
  20 June 2020 11: 27
  
  The MKZT was created in the USSR ...
Then

+3

18 June 2020 20: 07

Join Russia as a republic, all gas and MZKTshny issues will be resolved.
1. A.Lex
  
  -3
  
  18 June 2020 22: 36
  
  Dnik, you are not emphasizing correctly - no one MUST START anywhere. It is necessary to CREATE a JOINT - where EVERYTHING is on an equal footing.
  1. alexandrmakedo
    
    +2
    
    18 June 2020 23: 12
    
    Quote: A.Lex
    Dnik, you are not emphasizing correctly - no one MUST START anywhere. It is necessary to CREATE a JOINT - where EVERYTHING is on an equal footing.
    
    Interesting. If - with equal contributions to the total, and nothing else. And this is not feasible. So, only voting by shares. Did the collective farms not teach that equality does not exist?
    1. A.Lex
      
      +1
      
      22 June 2020 17: 57
      
      Kuzmich, I'm talking about the equal rights of CITIZENS, ordinary citizens. And the collective farms have nothing to do with it, because collective farms are different. You yourself are probably a city dweller? But I lived in cities and villages. And he saw both poverty (among lazy people and drunks), and quite prosperous collective farmers (who plowed from dawn to dawn both on the collective farm and at home). In addition, the collective farms helped their workers very much (especially those who worked conscientiously) - my first father-in-law and mother-in-law worked on my collective farm all my life, my maternal grandfather also. Therefore, your maxim on collective farms is clearly superfluous - you are clearly not in the know.
2. King3214
  
  +1
  
  19 June 2020 01: 22
  
  It is too late "on the rights of a republic". Yes, and 6 regions, it is no longer a fact that they will be accepted.
alexandrmakedo

+3

18 June 2020 20: 36

Quote: Dan
Join Russia as a republic, all gas and MZKTshny issues will be resolved.

You are crazy. We have enough of the independent Tatarstan, Chechnya, Dagestan, there are still .... problems with them in the future more .... Regions within Russia. They do not want to - wait when they want. Conditions still set Russia. Forgot ... The issue of money - to produce Russian rubles also in Minsk. But to steer in transit - SAMI. With its 9 million ... it's just half of Moscow. And with our problems, we will have to solve them. Whole country. Have you had problems with Western Ukraine at one time? We can’t learn in any way. Dreamers, your mother .... Look at the Asian republics. MUCH PROBLEMS removed from yourself!
steelmaker

-3

18 June 2020 21: 12

MZKT works more than one decade. The technologies are worked out. It is necessary not to be friends with the head in order to refuse such an offer. The Chinese will be offered, they will tear off with their hands. Generally - bargaining is appropriate!
1. A.Lex
  
  0
  
  18 June 2020 22: 37
  
  Everything is muddy here ... In addition, OFFICIALLY nothing else has been proposed.
Dust

+6

18 June 2020 22: 05

Russia should not buy a plant in Belarus. A good example is the seizure of a bank in Belarus, with 48% of the shares owned by Gazprom. ..Lukashenko acts with gangster methods ... He wanted and captured.
1. alexandrmakedo
  
  0
  
  18 June 2020 23: 26
  
  Quote: Dust
  Russia should not buy a plant in Belarus. A good example is the seizure of a bank in Belarus, with 48% of the shares owned by Gazprom. ..Lukashenko acts with gangster methods ... He wanted and captured.
  
  Against power there is always power. Buy and export to Russia what you need. People, documentation, design bureaus, production equipment, if it is of value to us. Our competitor will not. We will not give access to the bandit.
alexandrmakedo

0

18 June 2020 22: 49

Quote: A.Lex
The question is a little on a different plane ...
In general, production, which is strategic, should remain under public administration. Private sectors should be satisfied with the service sector and other consumer goods (with direct control of the state ... the state DOES NOT have to self-alleviate in the economy ... otherwise this place will be taken by those who want to shit on this state!).
Regarding the topic of the article - here the question is not worth a damn. This is a consultative-negotiated issue between structures that decide the GENERAL ECONOMIC strategy of the JOINT state ... and not the absorbed-built-in one (as SOME screams here with the prefix RB).

You, brother (or sister?) Mixed everything to hell with a dog. Private trader - more mobile. Private traders can be set conditions - to compete, allowing to release what he releases no more than, say, a quarter of what is needed. Competition is a price regulator. Plus, a steep tax scale so that the bastard could not get more, say, 10% of the profit. The more appetite - the more tax. The state should steer, but not participate. If the state got into the business itself - write is gone. Tell me, does Russian Railways have a competitor? So it made the country torn to pieces. To come to relatives in Siberia, or in the Far East, is more expensive than to Washington. To bring goods is to double the price. Roscosmos. It’s necessary - they shy shamelessly so much that .... And with impunity. A raven crow crow .... Competitors are there? And in the gas industry? And in the oil? And in metallurgy? And in housing and communal services? Do we have order somewhere? Generals fighting corruption have billions in cash at home. Corruption should be monitored by commissions made up of competing firms. Everywhere, in all directions and in all areas. It’s difficult to bribe a competitor. A bribe is always less than that ....
alexandrmakedo

+3

18 June 2020 23: 18

Quote: steel maker
MZKT works more than one decade. The technologies are worked out. It is necessary not to be friends with the head in order to refuse such an offer. The Chinese will be offered, they will tear off with their hands. Generally - bargaining is appropriate!

This is not necessary to have a head. Invest loot in someone else's. Ditching your own. And depend on a crazy dictator. To do it only at home, if possible, transport equipment, design bureau, and everything for production, if we don’t have one yet. But this is not a fact. It is much more promising to have relations with advanced, say, Germany. Why is the Soviet approach in Belarus better than the Soviet approach in Naberezhnye Chelny, for example? Almost the same thing, no breakthrough technologies. To buy, destroying a competitor. This is what you need. This is done all over the world. And it gives results.
MsAndreySAV

+1

19 June 2020 01: 51

Yes, everything that works for Russia can be sold. The state will at least throw a mountain off its shoulders. They themselves do not know how to lead - let the Russians work.
olpin51

0

19 June 2020 09: 31

A political scientist said that such a deal would be natural for the Union State.
What is the key word here? Clear. The question arises. So what's next?
alexandrmakedo

+1

19 June 2020 12: 39

Quote: olpin51
A political scientist said that such a deal would be natural for the Union State.
What is the key word here? Clear. The question arises. So what's next?

The key word here is POLITICAL SCIENTIST. For the collective farmer - this is the subject of blackmail.
Ivan Chistyakov

+3

19 June 2020 16: 05

In no case.
Firstly, our Kamaz itself will begin the production of similar tractors in a year. Russia has already spent money on research and development, with what joy do we support a foreign producer to the detriment of ourselves?
Secondly, Belarusians have repeatedly shown themselves to be stealing unscrupulous partners (UralKali, Belgazprombank, etc. etc.), who will guarantee that once again the Belarusian state will not steal Russian property?
Thirdly, Russia is obliged to produce critical components of these systems on its territory. And not on the territory of an unstable, agonizing limitrophy, where today there is one power, and tomorrow it will be completely different.

In no case can Russia agree to this dubious and unfavorable deal for Russia.
1. alexandrmakedo
  
  +2
  
  19 June 2020 16: 20
  
  Quote: Ivan Chistyakov
  In no case.
  Firstly, our Kamaz itself will begin the production of similar tractors in a year. Russia has already spent money on research and development, with what joy do we support a foreign producer to the detriment of ourselves?
  Secondly, Belarusians have repeatedly shown themselves to be stealing unscrupulous partners (UralKali, Belgazprombank, etc. etc.), who will guarantee that once again the Belarusian state will not steal Russian property?
  Thirdly, Russia is obliged to produce critical components of these systems on its territory. And not on the territory of an unstable, agonizing limitrophy, where today there is one power, and tomorrow it will be completely different.
  
  In no case can Russia agree to this dubious and unfavorable deal for Russia.
  
  Already wrote above. To buy up only in order to transfer production and developers to Russia. And, the main goal is not to inject a new opportunity into your production, but to eliminate a competitor.
Vyacheslav34

+2

19 June 2020 16: 07

In fact, special equipment for the army was produced by the Bryansk Automobile Repair Plant. MZKT just designed the equipment. And it was always produced in Bryansk.
alexandrmakedo

+5

19 June 2020 21: 24

Quote: sirvid
So you have given out the main secret of modern Russian business - deceive your partner and you will be in chocolate !!! And what you, as Russia came to, the closest ally, Belarus, does not want to have anything with oligarchic Russia !!! Tolerates, neighbor, after all .... Ugh ....

To teach to deceive your dad is not necessary. This has been deceiving, asking, deceiving and asking for 20 years .... Recently, it’s not asking, but demanding. Gas to him at domestic Russian prices, oil, metals, open the borders for re-export from Poland. In Germany, he boasts of his intermediate position to strangle Russia with a pipe, telling Merkel how powerful he is and how a country like Russia depends on him.
bear040

+8

20 June 2020 00: 24

Russia is not profitable. Relations with the Republic of Belarus can become even worse and then the Russian Federation risks losing access to production in the Republic of Belarus, and Russian jobs are needed in Russia, and not in foreign countries, which do not pay taxes in the Russian Federation. Production needs to be developed in the Russian Federation, only this will make the Russian Federation independent of the vagaries of foreigners!
Alexander Kulish

-2

20 June 2020 11: 28

On the domestic market, gas is more expensive than on the European)))
1. alexandrmakedo
  
  +1
  
  20 June 2020 14: 46
  
  Quote: Alexander Kulish
  On the domestic market, gas is more expensive than on the European)))
  
  See how you are wrong?
alexandrmakedo

+1

20 June 2020 14: 42

Quote: Observer2014
I am not a player. And endure hate playing for something. But luck is present. I mainly use my feelings and instincts. By the way, gorenina91 (Irina) herself, perhaps without realizing it, led to this conclusion. And it’s very cool.

I don’t play cards either. But I understand the essence of man quite well.