Minsk proposes to exchange MZKT for Russian gas


For several decades, Moscow made unsuccessful attempts to buy the Minsk Wheel Tractor Plant. However, having been refused, in Russia they decided to develop domestic analogues of heavy vehicles from Belarus. Realizing that the MZKT might soon be out of work, local experts came up with interesting initiatives.


The famous Belarusian political scientist Alexander Shpakovsky, who is considered close to the leading circles of Belarus, proposed to sell the plant to Moscow in exchange for domestic Russian gas prices. This is very similar to "sounding the soil."

If the MZKT is needed for the needs of the Russian military-industrial complex, then it must be sold. If for the needs of the Belarusian economics if domestic gas prices are needed, they must be provided, despite all the costs of Gazprom

- said the expert.

According to the political scientist, such a deal would be natural for the Union State, where commercial gain is secondary.

If Belarus needs to sacrifice its interests on this or that vector for the sake of Russia, then this must be done. If costs arise for Belarus in this regard, then Russia should compensate them preventively

- the expert is sure.

We remind you that in the near future Russia will begin mass production of its own chassis for various types of mobile missile systems. Tractor units are created by KamAZ PJSC in accordance with Platform-O.
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  1. Poppies Offline
    Poppies (Tatyana Egorova) 18 June 2020 13: 56
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    If there are costs for Belarus in this regard, then Russia should compensate them preventively.

    - the key word is Russia should !!!
    1. A.Lex Offline
      A.Lex (Secret information) 18 June 2020 22: 13
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      Tatyan, there is also written about Belarus that should... why didn't you indicate this too? After all, if you want to be honest, you need to be honest to the end ...
      1. Poppies Offline
        Poppies (Tatyana Egorova) 26 June 2020 07: 20
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        As I saw "Russia must" - I suffered and my comment, in fact, was off topic.
        1. A.Lex Offline
          A.Lex (Secret information) 26 June 2020 08: 10
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          lol It happens! Do not be upset. wink love hi
    2. Andrey Smolin Offline
      Andrey Smolin (Andrey Smolin) 25 June 2020 23: 32
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      Tatyana, relations between Belarus and Russia have been very specific since the creation of the Byelorussian SSR. And with the collapse of the USSR, Belarus tried to assume the functions of the capital of the CIS and create the most diverse bodies of the CIS. And this is very significant. Self-confidence among the leaders of Belarus is very serious. When Old Man Lukashenko tried to arrest me in Belarus and sent me to the KGB cell, I had to press the button of my phone and block all financial operations of Belarus around the world. Dad had to ask me for forgiveness and ask me to restore the work of banks in Belarus. And he admitted that I and Russia owe him nothing. And that's it. Everywhere they respect Mind, Talent and the ability to make Decisions that force the authorities of states to fulfill their duties. And when the euro system was introduced, European leaders called me at home and asked for my help and advice. And Russia in my face has created the euro system. And under Vladimir Putin, Russia paid all the debts of the USSR and the Russian Empire and owed nothing to anyone.
      I personally built the city of Vitebsk at my own expense, from where Lukashenko came to the presidency. I was an ordinary Soviet billionaire and just worked from the heart. After Chernobyl, I helped millions of Chernobyl victims in Belarus. And happy that the majority remained alive. The work was hellish, day and night. And then I rested in a holiday home in Belarus and wrote the Draft Constitution of the country. I should not have done this work. And I did not make money on this. I was just wondering. And so I live my whole life, from the heart. At the age of 6, I first sailed to Vitebsk by kayak and began cooperation with the Republic of Belarus.
      I love Belarus. Interesting country. I will be glad to answer from you.

      Sincerely, Andrey Smolin
      Moscow
      Russia
      1. Poppies Offline
        Poppies (Tatyana Egorova) 26 June 2020 06: 14
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        Thanks for supporting my comment.

        Under Vladimir Putin, Russia paid all the debts of the USSR and the Russian Empire and owed nothing to anyone.
  2. aleksandrmakedo Offline
    aleksandrmakedo (Dubovitsky Victor Kuzmich) 18 June 2020 14: 33
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    What nonsense ?! To create and maintain a competitor to the Russian auto industry, and in return to lose at fair prices for gas?
    Buy and export to Russia, as well as supply gas SUGUBO for their own needs, excluding any re-export - this can be considered.
    1. A.Lex Offline
      A.Lex (Secret information) 18 June 2020 22: 15
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      ... eh, Kuzmich, Kuzmich ... fool
      1. aleksandrmakedo Offline
        aleksandrmakedo (Dubovitsky Victor Kuzmich) 18 June 2020 22: 31
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        Quote: A.Lex
        ... eh Kuzmich, Kuzmich ... fool

        What's wrong? Listen to this collective farm chairman threatening to strangle Russia with a pipe. And where - In Germany, Merkel, five years ago. For his proposal in the United State - Russia - Belarus to print money in Minsk, too. Drive the broom to .... With their 2% of the total GDP, slap the rubles, driving up inflation. But, the transit of everything is strictly his diocese. Why the hell to play giveaway all the time? He is worse than a cancerous tumor, he’s completely sick of it.
        1. A.Lex Offline
          A.Lex (Secret information) 18 June 2020 22: 39
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          ... but why is everything in a hurry somewhere? ...
    2. sirvid Offline
      sirvid (Alexander ) 19 June 2020 19: 37
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      And if you don’t do this, then American missiles will stand near Smolensk !!! Something like this!!!
      1. 321 Offline
        321 (321) 19 June 2020 20: 32
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        Quote: sirvid
        And if you don’t do this, then American missiles will stand near Smolensk !!! Something like this !!!

        Do you want to live as a target as a target? This is your choice. hi
      2. Ivan Chistyakov Offline
        Ivan Chistyakov (Sausage Tushkanov) 19 June 2020 21: 51
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        And here’s the usual Belarusian blackmail:

        Well, do good to us, damned Russians, otherwise we will quickly get over and American missiles will stand near Smolensk!

        But alas, oh, Russia will not be led to your blackmail, everything has been clear with you since 1991. Live on your own.
    3. sirvid Offline
      sirvid (Alexander ) 19 June 2020 19: 44
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      So you have given out the main secret of modern Russian business - deceive a partner and you will be in chocolate !!! And what you, as Russia, have come to - the closest ally, Belarus, does not want to have anything with oligarchic Russia !!! Tolerates, neighbor, after all .... Ugh ....
      1. 321 Offline
        321 (321) 19 June 2020 20: 34
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        Quote: sirvid
        So you have given out the main secret of modern Russian business - deceive your partner and you will be in chocolate !!! And what do you, as Russia came to, the closest ally, Belarus, does not want to have anything to do with the oligarchic Raska !!! Tolerates, neighbor, after all .... Ugh ....

        You have an interesting “logic” - they suggested, they suggested, in the end they started to do something of their own - is this now called a hoax? Original "think". bully
      2. Ivan Chistyakov Offline
        Ivan Chistyakov (Sausage Tushkanov) 19 June 2020 21: 30
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        ABOUT! And here the "allies" drew themselves. Those who have been robbing Russia for 20+ years still dare to say something about it! How long have you become an ally? In the 21 years of the Union State, have you done anything realistically allied? Just one example? Ah, I forgot - Belarusians remember alliance only when they need something from Russia.
        And of course, we will not have anything to do with galloping zmagars from Belarus.
  3. Bakht Offline
    Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 18 June 2020 15: 51
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    The economy must be economical.

    Independence must be independent.
    1. A.Lex Offline
      A.Lex (Secret information) 18 June 2020 22: 22
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      The question is a little on a different plane ...
      In general, production, which is strategic, should remain under public administration. Private sectors should be satisfied with the service sector and other consumer goods (with direct control of the state ... the state DOES NOT have to self-alleviate in the economy ... otherwise this place will be taken by those who want to shit on this state!).
      Regarding the topic of the article - here the question is not worth a damn. This is a consultative-negotiated issue between structures that decide the GENERAL ECONOMIC strategy of the JOINT state ... and not the absorbed-built-in one (as SOME screams here with the prefix RB).
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    gorenina91 (Irina) 18 June 2020 16: 17
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    We remind you that in the near future Russia will begin mass production of its own chassis for various types of mobile missile systems. Tractor units are created by KamAZ PJSC in accordance with Platform-O.

    - If Russia is really ready in the near future to begin "mass production of its own chassis for various types of mobile missile systems." ... - then the "proposal for the MZKT" (if any takes place at all) ... is clearly belated ...
    - And if Russia is bluffing with readiness to produce its own chassis; then it is necessary to immediately acquire this "Belarusian MZKT" (if Belarus itself is not bluffing) ...
    1. General Black Offline
      General Black (Gennady) 18 June 2020 17: 30
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      Russia is not bluffing. Now, if so interesting.

      https://eadaily.com/ru/news/2019/03/07/v-rossii-nachali-perehod-na-sobstvennye-shassi-dlya-raketnyh-kompleksov
      1. Bakht Offline
        Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 18 June 2020 18: 40
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        The link says that the transition will occur within ten years. According to other sources, it is planned for 2023. At the same time, they write that work on the "Platform" is not entirely successful, and it is planned to develop another family of tractors.
        Is there any intelligible information about the KAMAZ-78504 family?
        1. orange Offline
          orange (ororpore) 18 June 2020 18: 44
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          Experience is the son of difficult mistakes ...
          1. Bakht Offline
            Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 18 June 2020 18: 46
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            Probably. It is hard to judge from the side. But KAMAZ seems to have announced the creation of another platform "Compressor".
            1. orange Offline
              orange (ororpore) 18 June 2020 18: 50
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              It doesn't matter what the problems are. Nobody has done motor wheels yet. KAMAZ has never done this. The state subsidizes, we must use the chance to create an innovative product, even if it takes some time.
              1. Bakht Offline
                Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 18 June 2020 18: 53
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                Yes of course. I opened the VPK website. There are quite a few links there.

                https://vpk.name/?s=камаз+78504

                For example, this -

                https://vk.cc/avYEIC
                1. Bakht Offline
                  Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 18 June 2020 19: 14
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                  https://vpk.name/news/159516_sergei_shoigu_
                  zanes_sapog_nad_chelninskoi_yadernoi_sorokonozhkoi.html
                  1. A.Lex Offline
                    A.Lex (Secret information) 18 June 2020 22: 31
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                    Bakhtiyar, everything is written on the water with a pitchfork ... In general, this topic, with the creation of a replacement for the MZKT, is very multifaceted. For example, one can cite various developments of Kamaz itself, as well as the fact that there is still no SPECIFIC solution on the part of the Russian leadership. As well as there is no complete rejection of the use of MZKT products ... T.ch. We will look at the development of the situation ...
                    PS .. there still a lot of things depend on the leadership of the Republic of Belarus and on the situation in the Republic of Belarus itself ... It hurts already there everything begins to boil ... it is not clear which way ...
                    In general, everything is very muddy, let's not rush to conclusions.
                    1. Bakht Offline
                      Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 18 June 2020 22: 54
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                      Moreover, if everything begins to boil, then we must do it ourselves. In general, everything that can be produced by oneself must be done. I am not good at automotive topics. But there were factories in Russia that could produce heavy equipment.
                      Following the example of Ukraine, just as the Navy was left without engines, the Strategic Missile Forces can also remain without a chassis.
                      1. Ivan Chistyakov Offline
                        Ivan Chistyakov (Sausage Tushkanov) 19 June 2020 21: 15
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                        At the moment, all ship turbines previously purchased in Ukraine are manufactured by us. The first frigates with purely Russian turbines have already been transferred to our fleet.
                        With helicopter turbines previously purchased in Ukraine, the issue was completely closed back in 2016. Since 2016, these turbines have been mass-produced by us.
                        The Strategic Missile Forces, too, will not remain without a chassis. Right now, Kamaz is building new workshops for the production of multi-axle tractors. And in addition, we have a BAZ that also produces similar equipment.
                      2. Bakht Offline
                        Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 19 June 2020 23: 11
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                        Of course, life will not stop because of Ukraine or Belarus. But just because of ship turbines, the deadlines for the delivery of ships were shifted. It is necessary to prepare in advance. Apparently, not everything is fine in the garden of the father ...
                    2. A.Lex Offline
                      A.Lex (Secret information) 22 June 2020 18: 02
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                      Nothing will remain. Most likely, everything was postponed to a later date - we still hope for the unification of the Republic of Belarus and the Russian Federation. True, opportunities are becoming less and less - AHL is making our relationships worse and worse. And the leaders of his country (both bureaucracy and the oligarchy) do not add opportunities for unification - everyone thinks that our moneybags will rob them ...
                    3. A.Lex Offline
                      A.Lex (Secret information) 26 June 2020 08: 28
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                      You are not quite up to date. Problems with engines (not only the Navy, but also helicopter) did not arise. It’s just that in order to support the economy of the former USSR, we did not SPECIALLY deploy production. And so the factories that made similar products were already built. It’s just as a DAMAGE that often in the leadership of the Russian Federation often continue to think in categories of the Soviet era (like they are “brotherly” to us!) And try to support those who have long been nobody to us, or even enemies, hiding behind sheep’s skins.
                      And for the Navy, Saturn is now working (in the UEC structure).
                      In principle, the Russian Federation at the moment, having closed the borders for ALL foreign manufacturers, is able to provide itself with any STRATEGIC products that we are buying in the near and far abroad.
                    4. Bakht Offline
                      Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 26 June 2020 08: 45
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                      If there were no problems with the engines, then why did the delivery dates for the ships move?
                      You contradict yourself. Regardless of the reasons, if production was not deployed in the Russian Federation, then there were no engines. The fact that they have now solved this problem does not mean that it did not exist. On the contrary. The problem was and it was solved

                      https://flotprom.ru/2018/Оборонка379/

                      But with the second three frigates of the project 11356P / M, problems remain. They are known and associated with the M7N1 gas turbine units manufactured by the Zorya-Mashproekt Nikolaev enterprise, which stopped supplying the Yantar gas turbine plant after the Kiev embargo on military and dual-use products was exported to Russia. Money for these power units has been paid for a long time, but it is unlikely that they will reach Kaliningrad in the foreseeable future.

                      https://oborona.ru/includes/periodics/navy/2016/0322/134218145/detail.shtml
                2. aleksandrmakedo Offline
                  aleksandrmakedo (Dubovitsky Victor Kuzmich) 18 June 2020 23: 09
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                  Quote: A.Lex
                  Bakhtiyar, everything is written on the water with a pitchfork ... In general, this topic, with the creation of a replacement for the MZKT, is very multifaceted. For example, one can cite various developments of Kamaz itself, as well as the fact that there is still no SPECIFIC solution on the part of the Russian leadership. As well as there is no complete rejection of the use of MZKT products ... T.ch. We will look at the development of the situation ...
                  PS .. there still a lot of things depend on the leadership of the Republic of Belarus and on the situation in the Republic of Belarus itself ... It hurts already there everything begins to boil ... it is not clear which way ...
                  In general, everything is very muddy, let's not rush to conclusions.

                  That's it. This is another reason to look slightly from the side. Long-term contracts - a scourge, a rake on which we run a hundred times. You need to forget about the long-term. The market is mobile. To have a long, good price when prices fail in the district is for sure, push the buyer away from you. How to snap? Or take it, or pay? In international courts, this does not roll. To fight, perhaps, for the loot? Okay - with the Baltic states, they don’t feel sorry, because, almost with their ....
    2. A.Lex Offline
      A.Lex (Secret information) 18 June 2020 22: 25
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      Bakhtiyar, and she is always so - just to remind myself ... although the crown (at the moment) is a complete ZERO.
  • Observer2014 Offline
    Observer2014 18 June 2020 17: 56
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    If Russia is really ready in the near future to begin "mass production of its own chassis for various types of mobile missile systems."

    hi And here’s the result and see who bluffed. Russia or Belarus.
    1. A.Lex Offline
      A.Lex (Secret information) 18 June 2020 22: 32
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      No need to rush to conclusions.
    2. aleksandrmakedo Offline
      aleksandrmakedo (Dubovitsky Victor Kuzmich) 19 June 2020 22: 20
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      Quote: Observer2014
      If Russia is really ready in the near future to begin "mass production of its own chassis for various types of mobile missile systems."

      hi And here’s the result and see who bluffed. Russia or Belarus.

      Interestingly, having everything that is needed on hand, Russia is bluffing. Have you ever played cards? So behaving luckyly getting a good hand?
      1. Observer2014 Offline
        Observer2014 19 June 2020 22: 27
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        I am not a player. And endure hate playing for something. But luck is present. I mainly use my feelings and instincts. By the way, gorenina91 (Irina) herself, perhaps without realizing it, led to this conclusion. And it’s very cool. yes
  • A.Lex Offline
    A.Lex (Secret information) 18 June 2020 22: 23
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    This is us, Ira, ... from your "ghetto" - if you are not in the courses of this topic, then do not write lengthy comments ... tongue laughing
  • beeper Offline
    beeper 18 June 2020 16: 25
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    The spoon is good for dinner!

    This is our Russian proverb, which, perhaps, is completely unknown to a handful of Minsk "Neolithinians (in fact, the mega-mercantile small-town" gesheftmacher "who Russophobically aimed at the" State Department cookies ") ?!" winked
  • camo ridges Offline
    camo ridges (Michael) 18 June 2020 17: 59
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    At the Bryansk Automobile Plant, wheel tractors for the S-500 and some other equipment have already been developed and produced. Therefore, the MZKT is cut off from all promising developments in this area. It seems that KAMAZ will master the production of tractors for the S-400, and then the Belarusian plant can be closed, because no one in the world will be interested in its rather specific products. Late guys fussed, now - except that they will give them away for nothing, but they will save jobs.
    Well, gas is being pulled in here - and all out of despair, gas agreements must be earned not by empty talk, but by real integration ...
    1. King3214 Offline
      King3214 (Sergius) 18 June 2020 18: 27
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      Today they will give it back, and tomorrow they will nationalize it, having announced the raider seizure of the "tidbit of the Belarusian industry" ...
      This is already the second Ukraine, Country of Fools 2.0.
    2. aleksandrmakedo Offline
      aleksandrmakedo (Dubovitsky Victor Kuzmich) 20 June 2020 20: 04
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      Quote: Camo Gryadshi
      At the Bryansk Automobile Plant, wheel tractors for the S-500 and some other equipment have already been developed and produced. Therefore, the MZKT is cut off from all promising developments in this area. It seems that KAMAZ will master the production of tractors for the S-400, and then the Belarusian plant can be closed, because no one in the world will be interested in its rather specific products. Late guys fussed, now - except that they will give them away for nothing, but they will save jobs.
      Well, gas is being pulled in here - and all out of despair, gas agreements must be earned not by empty talk, but by real integration ...

      You know what a thing. Here for some reason they think about particulars - there is such a machine - there is no such machine. We saw a prototype - did not see.
      It is necessary to solve in a big way - to allow them to compete with our car factories - not to allow. And from this decision, carry out their own further actions.
      What is the use of tractor wheels talking. Fine and not worthy.
  • King3214 Offline
    King3214 (Sergius) 18 June 2020 18: 25
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    It’s better to lose something with a smart than a fool.

    Belarus from the second.
  • Citizen Mѣshkov (Sergѣi) 18 June 2020 18: 56
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    Old Man, don’t change anything. All this will go to ineffective oligarchs who plunder and ruin the economy! And gas can be bought at the market price.
  • Karabas_Barabas Offline
    Karabas_Barabas (Karabas Barabas) 18 June 2020 19: 43
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    Create an order of magnitude harder than using! The creator is more independent than the user!
    1. A.Lex Offline
      A.Lex (Secret information) 18 June 2020 22: 34
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      ... but the user can CHOOSE another creator-producer!
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      ver_ (Vera) 20 June 2020 11: 27
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      The MKZT was created in the USSR ...
  • Dan Offline
    Dan (Daniel) 18 June 2020 20: 07
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    Join Russia as a republic, all gas and MZKTshny issues will be resolved. laughing
    1. A.Lex Offline
      A.Lex (Secret information) 18 June 2020 22: 36
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      Dnik, you are not emphasizing correctly - no one MUST START anywhere. It is necessary to CREATE a JOINT - where EVERYTHING is on an equal footing.
      1. aleksandrmakedo Offline
        aleksandrmakedo (Dubovitsky Victor Kuzmich) 18 June 2020 23: 12
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        Quote: A.Lex
        Dnik, you are not emphasizing correctly - no one MUST START anywhere. It is necessary to CREATE a JOINT - where EVERYTHING is on an equal footing.

        Interesting. If - with equal contributions to the total, and nothing else. And this is not feasible. So, only voting by shares. Did the collective farms not teach that equality does not exist?
        1. A.Lex Offline
          A.Lex (Secret information) 22 June 2020 17: 57
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          Kuzmich, I'm talking about the equal rights of CITIZENS, ordinary citizens. And the collective farms have nothing to do with it, because collective farms are different. You yourself are probably a city dweller? But I lived in cities and villages. And he saw both poverty (among lazy people and drunks), and quite prosperous collective farmers (who plowed from dawn to dawn both on the collective farm and at home). In addition, the collective farms helped their workers very much (especially those who worked conscientiously) - my first father-in-law and mother-in-law worked on my collective farm all my life, my maternal grandfather also. Therefore, your maxim on collective farms is clearly superfluous - you are clearly not in the know.
    2. King3214 Offline
      King3214 (Sergius) 19 June 2020 01: 22
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      "On the Rights of the Republic" is already too late. Yes, and 6 areas, it is no longer a fact that they will.
  • aleksandrmakedo Offline
    aleksandrmakedo (Dubovitsky Victor Kuzmich) 18 June 2020 20: 36
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    Quote: Dan
    Join Russia as a republic, all gas and MZKTshny issues will be resolved. laughing

    You are crazy. We have enough of the independent Tatarstan, Chechnya, Dagestan, there are still .... problems with them in the future more .... Regions within Russia. They do not want to - wait when they want. Conditions still set Russia. Forgot ... The issue of money - to produce Russian rubles also in Minsk. But to steer in transit - SAMI. With its 9 million ... it's just half of Moscow. And with our problems, we will have to solve them. Whole country. Have you had problems with Western Ukraine at one time? We can’t learn in any way. Dreamers, your mother .... Look at the Asian republics. MUCH PROBLEMS removed from yourself!
  • steelmaker Offline
    steelmaker 18 June 2020 21: 12
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    MZKT works more than one decade. The technologies are worked out. It is necessary not to be friends with the head in order to refuse such an offer. The Chinese will be offered, they will tear off with their hands. Generally - bargaining is appropriate!
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      A.Lex (Secret information) 18 June 2020 22: 37
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      Everything is muddy here ... In addition, OFFICIALLY nothing else has been proposed.
  • Dust Offline
    Dust (Sergei) 18 June 2020 22: 05
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    Russia should not buy a plant in Belarus. A good example is the seizure of a bank in Belarus, with 48% of the shares owned by Gazprom. ..Lukashenko acts with gangster methods ... He wanted and captured.
    1. aleksandrmakedo Offline
      aleksandrmakedo (Dubovitsky Victor Kuzmich) 18 June 2020 23: 26
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      Quote: Dust
      Russia should not buy a plant in Belarus. A good example is the seizure of a bank in Belarus, with 48% of the shares owned by Gazprom. ..Lukashenko acts with gangster methods ... He wanted and captured.

      Against power there is always power. Buy and export to Russia what you need. People, documentation, design bureaus, production equipment, if it is of value to us. Our competitor will not. We will not give access to the bandit.
  • aleksandrmakedo Offline
    aleksandrmakedo (Dubovitsky Victor Kuzmich) 18 June 2020 22: 49
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    Quote: A.Lex
    The question is a little on a different plane ...
    In general, production, which is strategic, should remain under public administration. Private sectors should be satisfied with the service sector and other consumer goods (with direct control of the state ... the state DOES NOT have to self-alleviate in the economy ... otherwise this place will be taken by those who want to shit on this state!).
    Regarding the topic of the article - here the question is not worth a damn. This is a consultative-negotiated issue between structures that decide the GENERAL ECONOMIC strategy of the JOINT state ... and not the absorbed-built-in one (as SOME screams here with the prefix RB).

    You, brother (or sister?) Mixed everything to hell with a dog. Private trader - more mobile. Private traders can be set conditions - to compete, allowing to release what he releases no more than, say, a quarter of what is needed. Competition is a price regulator. Plus, a steep tax scale so that the bastard could not get more, say, 10% of the profit. The more appetite - the more tax. The state should steer, but not participate. If the state got into the business itself - write is gone. Tell me, does Russian Railways have a competitor? So it made the country torn to pieces. To come to relatives in Siberia, or in the Far East, is more expensive than to Washington. To bring goods is to double the price. Roscosmos. It’s necessary - they shy shamelessly so much that .... And with impunity. A raven crow crow .... Competitors are there? And in the gas industry? And in the oil? And in metallurgy? And in housing and communal services? Do we have order somewhere? Generals fighting corruption have billions in cash at home. Corruption should be monitored by commissions made up of competing firms. Everywhere, in all directions and in all areas. It’s difficult to bribe a competitor. A bribe is always less than that ....
  • aleksandrmakedo Offline
    aleksandrmakedo (Dubovitsky Victor Kuzmich) 18 June 2020 23: 18
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    Quote: steel maker
    MZKT works more than one decade. The technologies are worked out. It is necessary not to be friends with the head in order to refuse such an offer. The Chinese will be offered, they will tear off with their hands. Generally - bargaining is appropriate!

    This is not necessary to have a head. Invest loot in someone else's. Ditching your own. And depend on a crazy dictator. To do it only at home, if possible, transport equipment, design bureau, and everything for production, if we don’t have one yet. But this is not a fact. It is much more promising to have relations with advanced, say, Germany. Why is the Soviet approach in Belarus better than the Soviet approach in Naberezhnye Chelny, for example? Almost the same thing, no breakthrough technologies. To buy, destroying a competitor. This is what you need. This is done all over the world. And it gives results.
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    MsAndreySAV (MsAndreySAV.) 19 June 2020 01: 51
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    Yes, everything that works for Russia can be sold. The state will at least throw a mountain off its shoulders. They themselves do not know how to lead - let the Russians work.
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    olpin51 (Oleg Pinegin) 19 June 2020 09: 31
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    A political scientist said that such a deal would be natural for the Union State.
    What is the key word here? Clear. The question arises. So what's next?
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    aleksandrmakedo (Dubovitsky Victor Kuzmich) 19 June 2020 12: 39
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    Quote: olpin51
    A political scientist said that such a deal would be natural for the Union State.
    What is the key word here? Clear. The question arises. So what's next?

    The key word here is POLITICAL SCIENTIST. For the collective farmer - this is the subject of blackmail.
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    Ivan Chistyakov (Sausage Tushkanov) 19 June 2020 16: 05
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    In no case.
    Firstly, our Kamaz itself will begin the production of similar tractors in a year. Russia has already spent money on research and development, with what joy do we support a foreign producer to the detriment of ourselves?
    Secondly, Belarusians have repeatedly shown themselves to be stealing unscrupulous partners (UralKali, Belgazprombank, etc. etc.), who will guarantee that once again the Belarusian state will not steal Russian property?
    Thirdly, Russia is obliged to produce critical components of these systems on its territory. And not on the territory of an unstable, agonizing limitrophy, where today there is one power, and tomorrow it will be completely different.

    In no case can Russia agree to this dubious and unfavorable deal for Russia.
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      aleksandrmakedo (Dubovitsky Victor Kuzmich) 19 June 2020 16: 20
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      Quote: Ivan Chistyakov
      In no case.
      Firstly, our Kamaz itself will begin the production of similar tractors in a year. Russia has already spent money on research and development, with what joy do we support a foreign producer to the detriment of ourselves?
      Secondly, Belarusians have repeatedly shown themselves to be stealing unscrupulous partners (UralKali, Belgazprombank, etc. etc.), who will guarantee that once again the Belarusian state will not steal Russian property?
      Thirdly, Russia is obliged to produce critical components of these systems on its territory. And not on the territory of an unstable, agonizing limitrophy, where today there is one power, and tomorrow it will be completely different.

      In no case can Russia agree to this dubious and unfavorable deal for Russia.

      Already wrote above. To buy up only in order to transfer production and developers to Russia. And, the main goal is not to inject a new opportunity into your production, but to eliminate a competitor.
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    Vyacheslav34 19 June 2020 16: 07
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    In fact, special equipment for the army was produced by the Bryansk Automobile Repair Plant. MZKT just designed the equipment. And it was always produced in Bryansk.
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    aleksandrmakedo (Dubovitsky Victor Kuzmich) 19 June 2020 21: 24
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    Quote: sirvid
    So you have given out the main secret of modern Russian business - deceive your partner and you will be in chocolate !!! And what you, as Russia came to, the closest ally, Belarus, does not want to have anything with oligarchic Russia !!! Tolerates, neighbor, after all .... Ugh ....

    To teach to deceive your dad is not necessary. This has been deceiving, asking, deceiving and asking for 20 years .... Recently, it’s not asking, but demanding. Gas to him at domestic Russian prices, oil, metals, open the borders for re-export from Poland. In Germany, he boasts of his intermediate position to strangle Russia with a pipe, telling Merkel how powerful he is and how a country like Russia depends on him.
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    bear040 20 June 2020 00: 24
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    Russia is not profitable. Relations with the Republic of Belarus can become even worse and then the Russian Federation risks losing access to production in the Republic of Belarus, and Russian jobs are needed in Russia, and not in foreign countries, which do not pay taxes in the Russian Federation. Production needs to be developed in the Russian Federation, only this will make the Russian Federation independent of the vagaries of foreigners!
  • Alexander Kulish (Alexander Kulish) 20 June 2020 11: 28
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    On the domestic market, gas is more expensive than on the European)))
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      aleksandrmakedo (Dubovitsky Victor Kuzmich) 20 June 2020 14: 46
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      Quote: Alexander Kulish
      On the domestic market, gas is more expensive than on the European)))



      See how you are wrong?
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    aleksandrmakedo (Dubovitsky Victor Kuzmich) 20 June 2020 14: 42
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    Quote: Observer2014
    I am not a player. And endure hate playing for something. But luck is present. I mainly use my feelings and instincts. By the way, gorenina91 (Irina) herself, perhaps without realizing it, led to this conclusion. And it’s very cool. yes

    I don’t play cards either. But I understand the essence of man quite well.