Learn the weaknesses of “Moscow”: the cruiser “Ukraine” proposed to sink with the help of “Neptune”


Five years ago, the then president of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko broke off the agreement with Russia of 1993 on the joint resolution of issues regarding military facilities that were unfinished at the time of the collapse of the USSR. One of such monuments of the past era was the Soviet "unfinished" - the cruiser "Ukraine". The authorities of the country, due to lack of funding, could not surrender the warship. There was not enough money to maintain the cruiser.


At one time, the ship was planned to be sold to China or India, but the deal did not take place.

"Ukraine" was laid back in 1984, and by 1993 it was transferred to Kiev - at that time the construction of the ship was completed by three quarters. In 1998, under Kuchma, the cruiser's readiness was 95%. There was also the possibility of selling the ship to Russia, but buyers were not satisfied technical cruiser condition and sale price, and the ship remained on the balance of the Ukrainian fleet.

Military expert Taras Chmut made a proposal to sink the cruiser, while experiencing the latest domestic anti-ship complex RK-360MTS "Neptune". Another goal of the venture is to find out the weaknesses of the cruiser of the Russian Black Sea Fleet "Moscow" - Both ships were built in due time according to one project 1164 Atlant.

Before drowning, it is proposed to remove all combat-ready equipment from Ukraine for its further use on other warships of the Ukrainian fleet.
Photos used: Hermann1971 / wikimedia.org
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  1. bear040 Offline
    bear040 15 June 2020 18: 52
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    Well, well ... To find out the weaknesses of Moscow, you need to finish building the ship and put the crew on it ... The cruiser is not an empty box that you are going to shoot at, it has air defense and electronic warfare on it, and it can also fire back, by Bandera arrows ...
    1. rotkiv04 Offline
      rotkiv04 (Victor) 15 June 2020 19: 50
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      So they have pots on their heads, they don’t understand your arguments.
  2. Dmitry S. Offline
    Dmitry S. (Dmitry Sanin) 15 June 2020 19: 26
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    A very smart proposal to drown the annual budget ...
  3. bobba94 Offline
    bobba94 (Vladimir) 15 June 2020 19: 38
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    The weakest side of the Ukraine cruiser is that it was designed, constructed, and built as project 1164 Atlant, that is, all weapons must be Soviet, consider Russian.
    1. Artillery AK-130 (Volgograd machine-building enterprise).
    2. Anti-aircraft artillery AK-630 (Tula Engineering Plant).
    3. Missile weapons P-1000 "Volcano" (NPO Engineering of Reutov).
    4. Missile weapons S-300 "Fort" (MKB "Fakel" Khimki).
    5. Anti-submarine weapons RBU-6000 (Plant number 6 Yekaterinburg).
    6. Mine-torpedo equipment - Obukhov plant Petersburg.
  4. Observer2014 Offline
    Observer2014 15 June 2020 19: 48
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    Military expert Taras Chmut

    laughing wassat Ingenious! Something tells me that behind this scrap metal (just like scrap metal!) This very Chmut himself is so deceived. That he himself will depict this very goal in the form of the cruiser "Moscow". laughing
  5. rotkiv04 Offline
    rotkiv04 (Victor) 15 June 2020 19: 49
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    404 is a country of victorious idiocy.
  6. polev66 Offline
    polev66 (Alexander) 15 June 2020 20: 26
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    ... what can I say ... firing at the box without REO and anti-aircraft defense isn’t it funny? What will they learn? How will she drown?
  7. beeper Offline
    beeper 15 June 2020 23: 13
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    No matter how “Taras” and “the mind goes beyond reason”, “complete blasphemy” comes - one raves about with a "dirty bomb", then with the sinking of the rotten skeleton of "Ukraine" they think "recognize Moscow’s weaknesses ?? ??
    How can this help cave parcels in solving the problems of the impoverished American colony "Ukraine" ?! winked
    Already would have handed over for scrap, "on the needles", this unfortunate undercruiser with a bastard (as it turned out, quite off-the-shelf, only bringing unhappiness!) Name, but would have paid long-term salary debts to their Nikolaev shipbuilders, or given away the brainless "smmut" for your cat debts to workers will be ?!
    The mental degradation of such "Svidomo experts" is evident, alas! fool
  8. Georgievic Offline
    Georgievic (Georgievic) 15 June 2020 23: 18
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    Well this is tin! And the most important thing -

    ..to remove all combat-ready equipment for further use on other warships of the Ukrainian fleet ...

    Since there are no ships, someone is selling this equipment quietly!
  9. King3214 Offline
    King3214 (Sergius) 15 June 2020 23: 51
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    Rich in Ukraine is fools!
  10. Bitter Offline
    Bitter (Gleb) 16 June 2020 00: 47
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    ... sink the cruiser

    Urgently, all Greenpeace, Greta and all other defenders of flora and fauna there. Let them carefully monitor the dismantling of hazardous aggregates and the discharge of all liquids and other harmful components from the boat before sending them to the Black Sea bottom.
  11. Bulanov Offline
    Bulanov (Vladimir) 16 June 2020 08: 29
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    Apparently, they decided to create an amusement park for future divers?
  12. kartalovkolya Offline
    kartalovkolya 16 June 2020 08: 47
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    Well, all according to the proverb: "Bad nightingale - bad songs," but isn’t it easier to send it to scrap?
  13. General Black Offline
    General Black (Gennady) 16 June 2020 09: 03
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    Of course, a fool, perhaps in his own right, who can stop them? Bad business is not tricky. A ship for such a serious matter needs to be prepared. Bulk up bulkheads, brew where necessary. Weapons, RTS to remove, but a lot of things need to be done. And then, where will they drown? Not everywhere this can be done. The Black Sea is not their private property. Close the firing area, and so on. And then drown someone, God forbid. It will be interesting to see the result. The warhead missile has 150 kg. The length of the cruiser under 200 meters, displacement of 11000 thousand tons. The missile is declared for targets up to 5000 thousand tons. We will see.
    1. beeper Offline
      beeper 16 June 2020 09: 49
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      hi They don’t know what the embarrassment can happen - the APU may not have enough “Neptuns” (well, perhaps, they’ll “secure themselves” with a blown up explosive charge and pre-opened kingstones to “demonstrate” their “crushing relics” ?!) for the sinking of so much ship!
      It’s a pity that it’s all indecency, wretched mind, the “Ukrainians” kleptoamerocholus parasites are doing at the expense of us, Ukrainian workers!
      1. General Black Offline
        General Black (Gennady) 16 June 2020 14: 01
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        So that's what it is about. And then, to shoot at a ship with the same name of the state is a bad omen.
        1. beeper Offline
          beeper 16 June 2020 14: 08
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          Quote: General Black
          So that's what it is about. And then, to shoot at a ship with the same name of the state is a bad omen.

          Banderopithecus, coupled with the "Ukrainians" kleptoligarchs - "w / Bandera" are too greedy and thieves - they do not believe in any signs and have no conscience!
          They are only engaged in this shooting at the “state” of the same name - they’re “sawing”, like this poorly finished dopped ship (the bronze propellers and the entire flower bloom have long been poked from it - now you can even “end in the water”, covering up the theft of "patriotic Gaslamy" about the alleged "battle with the Muscovites?!).
          1. General Black Offline
            General Black (Gennady) 16 June 2020 14: 11
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            Yes, there are bronzes and copper through the nostrils. The cables alone are kilometers. In raguli work was.
            1. beeper Offline
              beeper 16 June 2020 14: 21
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              Quote: General Black
              Yes, there are bronzes and copper through the nostrils. The cables alone are kilometers. In raguli work was.

              hi They are afraid (they vigorously notice the traces of their theft) that when (with the inevitable collapse of the Ukrainian colony "Ukraine" this part of the former Ukrainian SSR leaves Russia, they won’t be able to "jump on shoes immaculately" as their Crimean Deriban colleagues succeeded, and the Russian SledCom to the guilty bureaucrats "will be questions on the legalization of overworked" - according to the tattered cruiser (in particular), and on the ditched - stolen Nikolaev shipyards (in general) ?! winked
  14. bratchanin3 Offline
    bratchanin3 (Gennady) 17 June 2020 14: 30
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    The cruiser "Ukraine" - what a symbolic name of the ship!