Learn the weaknesses of “Moscow”: the cruiser “Ukraine” proposed to sink with the help of “Neptune”


Five years ago, the then president of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko broke off the agreement with Russia of 1993 on the joint resolution of issues regarding military facilities that were unfinished at the time of the collapse of the USSR. One of such monuments of the past era was the Soviet "unfinished" - the cruiser "Ukraine". The authorities of the country, due to lack of funding, could not surrender the warship. There was not enough money to maintain the cruiser.


At one time, the ship was planned to be sold to China or India, but the deal did not take place.

"Ukraine" was laid back in 1984, and by 1993 it was transferred to Kiev - at that time the construction of the ship was completed by three quarters. In 1998, under Kuchma, the cruiser's readiness was 95%. There was also the possibility of selling the ship to Russia, but buyers were not satisfied technical cruiser condition and sale price, and the ship remained on the balance of the Ukrainian fleet.

Military expert Taras Chmut made a proposal to sink the cruiser, while experiencing the latest domestic anti-ship complex RK-360MTS "Neptune". Another goal of the venture is to find out the weaknesses of the cruiser of the Russian Black Sea Fleet "Moscow" - Both ships were built in due time according to one project 1164 Atlant.

Before drowning, it is proposed to remove all combat-ready equipment from Ukraine for its further use on other warships of the Ukrainian fleet.
  • Photos used: Hermann1971 / wikimedia.org
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  1. bear040 Offline bear040
    bear040 15 June 2020 18: 52
    +7
    Well, well ... To find out the weaknesses of Moscow, you need to finish building the ship and put the crew on it ... The cruiser is not an empty box that you are going to shoot at, it has air defense and electronic warfare on it, and it can also fire back, by Bandera arrows ...
    1. rotkiv04 Offline rotkiv04
      rotkiv04 (Victor) 15 June 2020 19: 50
      +3
      So they have pots on their heads, they don’t understand your arguments.
  2. Dmitry S. Offline Dmitry S.
    Dmitry S. (Dmitry Sanin) 15 June 2020 19: 26
    +1
    A very smart proposal to drown the annual budget ...
  3. bobba94 Offline bobba94
    bobba94 (Vladimir) 15 June 2020 19: 38
    +7
    The weakest side of the cruiser Ukraine is that it was designed, constructed and built as Project 1164 Atlant, that is, all weapons should be Soviet, consider Russian.
    1. Artillery AK-130 (Volgograd machine-building enterprise).
    2. Anti-aircraft artillery AK-630 (Tula Engineering Plant).
    3. Missile armament P-1000 "Vulkan" (NPO Mashinostroeniya, Reutov).
    4. Missile armament S-300 "Fort" (MKB "Fakel", Khimki).
    5. Anti-submarine weapons RBU-6000 (Plant number 6 Yekaterinburg).
    6. Mine-torpedo equipment - Obukhov plant Petersburg.
  4. Observer2014 Offline Observer2014
    Observer2014 15 June 2020 19: 48
    -6
    Military expert Taras Chmut

    laughing wassat Brilliant! Something tells me that for this scrap metal (just like scrap metal!) This Chmut himself will be so desperate. That he himself will represent this very target in the form of the cruiser "Moscow". laughing
  5. rotkiv04 Offline rotkiv04
    rotkiv04 (Victor) 15 June 2020 19: 49
    +2
    404 is a country of victorious idiocy.
  6. polev66 Offline polev66
    polev66 (Alexander) 15 June 2020 20: 26
    +1
    ... what can I say ... firing at the box without REO and anti-aircraft defense isn’t it funny? What will they learn? How will she drown?
  7. beeper Offline beeper
    beeper 15 June 2020 23: 13
    0
    No matter how "taras", and "mind for reason goes", the "scum" is complete - then they rave about "a dirty bomb on Russia", then they think of sinking the rotten skeleton of "Ukraine" to "learn the weaknesses of Moscow" ??!
    How will it help cave banderopithecus in solving the problems of the impoverished amerokolony "Ukraine" ?! winked
    Would have already handed over for scrap metal, "on needles", this unfortunate undercruiser with a disastrous (as it turned out, completely unprofitable, only bringing misfortune!) Name, but would give back long-term wage debts to their Nikolaev shipbuilders, or mindless "foul" for your cat debts to workers will be ?!
    The mental degradation of such "Svidomo experts" is evident, alas! fool
  8. Georgievic Offline Georgievic
    Georgievic (Georgievic) 15 June 2020 23: 18
    0
    Well this is tin! And the most important thing -

    ..to remove all combat-ready equipment for further use on other warships of the Ukrainian fleet ...

    Since there are no ships, someone is selling this equipment quietly!
  9. King3214 Offline King3214
    King3214 (Sergius) 15 June 2020 23: 51
    +2
    Rich in Ukraine is fools!
  10. Bitter Offline Bitter
    Bitter (Gleb) 16 June 2020 00: 47
    +1
    ... sink the cruiser

    Urgently, all Greenpeace, Greta and all other defenders of flora and fauna there. Let them carefully monitor the dismantling of hazardous aggregates and the discharge of all liquids and other harmful components from the boat before sending them to the Black Sea bottom.
  11. Bulanov Offline Bulanov
    Bulanov (Vladimir) 16 June 2020 08: 29
    +3
    Apparently, they decided to create an amusement park for future divers?
  12. kartalovkolya Offline kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya 16 June 2020 08: 47
    +3
    Well, everything is according to the proverb: "Bad nightingale - bad songs", but isn't it easier to send him for scrap ?!
  13. General Black Offline General Black
    General Black (Gennady) 16 June 2020 09: 03
    +3
    Of course, a fool, perhaps in his own right, who can stop them? Bad business is not tricky. A ship for such a serious matter needs to be prepared. Bulk up bulkheads, brew where necessary. Weapons, RTS to remove, but a lot of things need to be done. And then, where will they drown? Not everywhere this can be done. The Black Sea is not their private property. Close the firing area, and so on. And then drown someone, God forbid. It will be interesting to see the result. The warhead missile has 150 kg. The length of the cruiser under 200 meters, displacement of 11000 thousand tons. The missile is declared for targets up to 5000 thousand tons. We will see.
    1. beeper Offline beeper
      beeper 16 June 2020 09: 49
      +5
      hi They are unaware that embarrassment can happen - the Armed Forces of Ukraine may not have enough "Neptuns" (well, perhaps, with the placed explosive charge and the Kingston opened in advance, they will "insure" to "demonstrate" their "crushing powers" ?!) to sink such a large ship!
      It is a pity that all this lewdness, poor minds, "Ukrainian" parasites-kleptoameroholui are doing at the expense of us, Ukrainian workers!
      1. General Black Offline General Black
        General Black (Gennady) 16 June 2020 14: 01
        +5
        So that's what it is about. And then, to shoot at a ship with the same name of the state is a bad omen.
        1. beeper Offline beeper
          beeper 16 June 2020 14: 08
          +3
          Quote: General Black
          So that's what it is about. And then, to shoot at a ship with the same name of the state is a bad omen.

          Banderopithecs, coupled with the "Ukrainian" kleptoligarchs - "w / Bandera" are too greedy and stealing - they do not believe in any signs and have no conscience!
          They are only engaged in this shooting at the "state" of the same name - they "saw", like this "doped in the edge" unfortunate ship (bronze propellers and the entire "flower garden" have long been rubbed off it - now it is possible to "end in water", covering up the theft of the "patryotychnyi gaslama" about the alleged "battle with the Muscovites" ?!).
          1. General Black Offline General Black
            General Black (Gennady) 16 June 2020 14: 11
            +2
            Yes, there are bronzes and copper through the nostrils. The cables alone are kilometers. In raguli work was.
            1. beeper Offline beeper
              beeper 16 June 2020 14: 21
              +4
              Quote: General Black
              Yes, there are bronzes and copper through the nostrils. The cables alone are kilometers. In raguli work was.

              hi They are afraid (they are strenuously covering up the traces of their theft) that when (with the inevitable disintegration of the Ukrainian colony) this part of the former Ukrainian SSR will go away to Russia, it will not work as " to the guilty bureaucrats "there will be questions about the legalization of the overwhelming work done" - about the torn-up cruiser (in particular), and about the ruined - plundered Nikolaev shipyards (in general) ?! winked
  14. bratchanin3 Offline bratchanin3
    bratchanin3 (Gennady) 17 June 2020 14: 30
    0
    The cruiser "Ukraine" - what a symbolic name for the ship!