German media said that it could save Russian space


After the Crew Dragon successfully docked with the International Space Station on May 30, many began to talk about the decline of the Russian space era. Experts of the German publication Der Tagesspiegel talked about what could save the space industry in Russia.


Earlier, US astronauts were delivered to Earth’s orbit with the help of Russian Unions - it cost the Americans $ 80 million per seat. Elon Musk, as they say, is ready to offer flights for $ 60 million.

Russia is losing its share in the space launch market. And the heavy satellites that the Proton rocket previously launched into orbit can be delivered from China, the United States, and also with the assistance of the European Space Agency. And it will not be as expensive as many believe

- emphasized the head of the Space Institute policy Ivan Moiseev.

But, according to Moiseyev, the launch of the SpaceX rocket has a positive point - instead of promising a brilliant future for the Russian cosmonautics, the Russian authorities can now think about the real problems of the industry, as well as ways to solve them. The Russian cosmonautics, in particular, will be able to rescue Roscosmos and access to the market of private Russian companies.

Moscow, however, denies losing its position in space, and Roskosmos, meanwhile, is making new plans. So, two of the three places on the "Union" is planned to give space tourists. The construction of the Soyuz-5 rocket also began, and the creation of a new spacecraft will be completed in just a few years.

Such measures, according to Der Tagesspiegel, should help Russia overcome a difficult period in the space industry.
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  1. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 12 June 2020 14: 29
    +1
    ABOUT!!! They talked about tourists in the most sloppy years under Yeltsin ...
    Rogozin is cool!
  2. gorenina91 Offline gorenina91
    gorenina91 (Irina) 12 June 2020 14: 44
    +1
    German media said that it could save Russian space

    - Why the Germans can advise ...- only ... ordnung; ordnung; Ordnung and again - Ordnung ...
    - By the way, this is quite enough to "save the Russian space" ...
    1. GRF Offline GRF
      GRF 12 June 2020 15: 21
      +1
      The Germans also had a good ordn in concentration camps ...
      Be sure to listen to their advice, especially if your head is gone.

      If you don’t have aunts,
      You won’t lose your aunts,
      And if you don’t live,
      Then you and not, then you and not,
      Then you don’t die
      Do not die.

  3. GRF Offline GRF
    GRF 12 June 2020 15: 18
    +2
    German FAU-2 became the forefathers of American astronautics. Therefore, of course, one must listen to the vast German experience, because German cosmonautics is a thundering name. Therefore, we need to destroy our Roskosmos, disband, as they advise, and let private (foreign) companies profit as they should!
    "Dear" Through the Looking Glass, hara-kiri - this is to Japan, or to yourself ...
  4. Alexey Grigoryev (Alexey Grigoriev) 12 June 2020 15: 26
    +3
    But the German media did not say what could save the German cosmos, although what am I talking about - you cannot save what is not there.
  5. Astronaut Offline Astronaut
    Astronaut (San Sanych) 12 June 2020 17: 19
    0
    The author, apparently, is not aware of private Russian space companies. Well, I’ll give a reference:

    https://vc.ru/future/61446-est-li-zhizn-bez-roskosmosa-chastnaya-kosmonavtika-v-rf
  6. 123 Offline 123
    123 (123) 12 June 2020 22: 34
    +3
    The experts of the German publication Der Tagesspiegel accidentally do not know what can save the German space?

    Moscow, however, denies losing its position in space, and Roskosmos, meanwhile, is making new plans. So, two of the three places on the "Union" is planned to give space tourists.

    In fact, we are talking about a contract signed in 2019, we are talking about the only flight scheduled for the end of next year.

    State Space Corporation Roscosmos and Space Adventures, Inc. signed a contract for short space flights of two space flight participants on the same Soyuz spacecraft to the Russian segment of the International Space Station. The flight is scheduled to launch at the end of 2021.

    Der Tagesspiegel and Ivan Moiseev found each other. yes Like reaches for like. laughing
  7. cmonman Offline cmonman
    cmonman (Garik Mokin) 13 June 2020 01: 02
    -2
    Moscow, however, denies losing its position in space, and Roskosmos, meanwhile, is making new plans.

    And what are the plans of “forever second amers”? (words of Rogozin).
    And such plans.

    Astrobotic (a private company) wins a NASA contract to supply the VIPER lunar all-terrain vehicle.

    https://spacenews.com/astrobotic-wins-nasa-contract-to-deliver-viper-lunar-rover/

    NASA has chosen Astrobotic to deliver the rover to moon surface at the end of 2023 years to find water ice that can support future human missions.
    NASA announced on June 11 that it signed a $ 199,5 million contract with Astrobotic, a Pittsburgh-based company for the Volatiles Investigating Polar Exploration Rover (VIPER) mission. The assignment is part of the Commercial Moon Payload Services (CLPS) program, where NASA buys services companies to deliver payloads to the surface of the moon, rather than buying the rover itself.

    Three pluses at once - to pay (partially) to private traders for development and not to own a rover, but to rent. And the private trader will do much faster than the state. You are prompted correctly - to disband Roscosmos and give everything to private owners - the state will save a bunch of money.
    More NASA.

    NASA Science Director Confirms June 10th James Webb Space Telescope will miss the launch date in March 2021, which was almost inevitable, as the coronavirus pandemic slowed down the assembly of the spacecraft.

    https://spacenews.com/nasa-confirms-jwst-will-miss-march-2021-launch-date/

    Well, nothing - they waited so much, let's wait a little longer.
    More NASA.
    If you remember (or don’t know) that NASA plans in July 2020 (next month !!!) to launch Atlas-5 with the next rover on Mars. Launch is delayed for 3 days.

    NASA Deputy Administrator Steve Yurchik announced a delay in a presentation at a joint meeting of the National Academy of Aeronautics and Space Research Council and the Space Research Council (SSB) on June 9. “We had a small glitch with the ULA and the info processing booster, so we have a three-day delay”

    https://spacenews.com/mars-2020-launch-slips-three-days/

    Well, etc. Conclusion - private traders and private traders only !!!
    1. isofat Offline isofat
      isofat (isofat) 13 June 2020 01: 15
      +3
      cmonmanYou believe in vain your media. These are the enemies of the American people. To find out the state of affairs in the world, better read the Russian media! smile

      PS Conclusion - the United States lies about our loss of positions in space!
    2. 123 Offline 123
      123 (123) 13 June 2020 17: 10
      +3
      Grandiose plans, well done, do it. good
      That's just about private traders, vague doubts torment. No.

      Three advantages at once - to pay (partially) to private traders for development and not to own a rover, but to rent. And the private trader will do much faster than the state.

      Three pluses at once?
      The first plus is "pay (partially) to private owners for development." And how much did the private companies invest in the development of Dragon and Starliner? In my opinion, everything was developed with state money.
      The second plus is "not owning a rover, but renting". In my opinion, the benefit is dubious. Do you pay for the development and construction of something that does not belong to you, and then you rent it and pay more? Interesting approach to business. laughing
      The third plus - "the private owner will do much faster than the state." The Dragon flew, the Starliner was gone, and more money was thrown into him. It turns out that private traders are different, or not all private traders are equally useful. winked
      And now what to do with it? The myth of "super effective" private traders is crumbling before our eyes. And Boeing .... can it nationalize? what

      You are prompted correctly - to disband Roscosmos and give everything to private owners - the state will save a bunch of money.

      Listen to the American and do the opposite. winked

      More NASA.

      Speaking of NASA. First, try the tips on yourself. Dissolve, distribute everything to private owners, and we will see what happens.

      Well, etc. Conclusion - private traders and private traders only !!!

      Good luck on this hopeless path. hi
      1. cmonman Offline cmonman
        cmonman (Garik Mokin) 13 June 2020 18: 01
        -2
        And how much did private owners invest in the development of Dragon and Starliner? In my opinion, everything for state money was developed.

        In 2014, NASA allocated $ 4.2 billion to Boeing and SpaceX. But what they had before was their development. In addition, NASA (as a state contractor) does not need to have a headache with people / logistics / workshops ...
        Paid the money and control how and what they spend. In addition, there is no headache, what to do next with people / logistics / workshops / factories ...
        It is no secret that grandmas in the United States are still considered better than in Russia (where almost everything is state-owned, but with scant returns).

        Speaking of NASA. First, try the tips on yourself. Disband, distribute everything to private owners, and we will see what comes of them.

        C'mon man !!! Yes, in the USA all production is private !!
        Aircraft are entirely private, but the state creates a reliability / safety criterion and checks. The dispatcher on the tower is civil servants. Railways are all private. The quality of the canvas, moving - state control.
        Auto release is private. Road safety and the car itself - state control.

        ... There is no Starliner, but more money swelled into it.

        Swell, not flying, I agree. No more add. For delays, Boeing pays its $$$ (salaries / premises, etc. - this is his problem).
        Starship exploded 4 times - all 4 times for the $$$ Mask, NASA did not give a dime. So the Americans have been trying private for “themselves” for 250 years and have achieved something ...

        Good luck, increase the profitability of state-owned enterprises to the level of private owners!
        1. 123 Offline 123
          123 (123) 13 June 2020 18: 23
          +3
          In 2014, NASA allocated Boeing and SpaceX $ 4.2 billion.

          Just great. good But the "Russian propaganda" asserts somewhat differently.

          The contract for the development of a new manned spacecraft worth $ 4,2 billion Boeing received in 2014.

          https://ria.ru/20160808/1473823247.html

          Moreover, the "kremlebots" from the Air Force are pouring gasoline into the fire.

          The launch was initially rated at 3 copecks(here the quote is a little inaccurate, the number of Pi the site does not miss) billion dollars, but after the transfer it has risen in price. This is the first astronaut launch in a long time from the United States and the first NASA mission in history to be carried out by a private company.

          https://www.bbc.com/russian/news-52859714

          It turns out more than 7,34 billion.

          After this phrase:

          It is no secret that grandmas in the United States are still considered better than in Russia (where almost everything is state-owned, but with scant returns).

          - nothing but a smile, does not cause. winked

          Swell, not flying, I agree. No more add. For delays, Boeing pays its $$$ (salaries / premises, etc. - this is his problem).

          And what will happen to him? Disband? Go bankrupt? Yes nifiga like that. They will understand, forgive and still swell money for new projects. yes

          Starship exploded 4 times - all 4 times for the $$$ Mask, NASA did not give a dime. So the Americans have been trying private for “themselves” for 250 years and have achieved something ...

          Mankind has been private for several thousand years now, “trying it for themselves” and somehow with varying success. Yes, and 250 years by historical standards, nothing.

          Good luck, increase the profitability of state-owned enterprises to the level of private owners!

          For example, a Boeing? lol Thanks, we’ll sort it out ourselves somehow. hi
          1. cmonman Offline cmonman
            cmonman (Garik Mokin) 13 June 2020 19: 23
            -2
            The contract for the development of a new manned spacecraft worth $ 4,2 billion Boeing received in 2014.

            I was wrong:

            On 16 September 2014, NASA announced that Boeing and SpaceX had received contracts to provide crewed launch services to the ISS. Boeing could receive up to US $ 4.2 billion, while SpaceX could receive up to US $ 2.6 billion.

            I understand that NASA has given Boeing more to close its gap with SpaceX. But I could be wrong.
            But this does not mean that they were given the money right away - they are given in installments as the work schedule is completed.

            Thank you, we’ll sort it out ourselves.
            No doubt !!! But try so that the current generation sees !!!
            1. 123 Offline 123
              123 (123) 13 June 2020 20: 02
              +1
              I understand that NASA has given Boeing more to close its gap with SpaceX.

              What a wonderful tradition. good Here it is the market, in its purest form, a masterpiece of market competition. laughing A private trader losing a competition is simply given more money from the budget. belay Surely this increases efficiency. winked

              But try so that the current generation sees !!!

              And what exactly should it see?
              1. cmonman Offline cmonman
                cmonman (Garik Mokin) 13 June 2020 20: 20
                -2
                You said (I answered):

                Thanks, we’ll sort it out ourselves somehow.

                No doubt !!! But try so that the current generation sees !!! ”
                On your “we will sort it out ourselves,” I suggested that the current generation see a positive result of the analysis, and not “want the best, but it turned out as always”.
                But best of all - do not understand at all, leave it as it is!
                Dam, ballet, Gagarin’s flight - it’s forever !!!
                1. 123 Offline 123
                  123 (123) 13 June 2020 20: 35
                  +2
                  On your “we will sort it out ourselves,” I suggested that the current generation see a positive result of the analysis, and not “want the best, but it turned out as always”.

                  You don’t worry about us, look after yourself, otherwise it is not known what the next generation will see.

                  But best of all - do not understand at all, leave it as it is!
                  Dam, ballet, Gagarin’s flight - it’s forever !!!

                  Are you jealous? Understand. yes The Bolshoi Theater was built before your separatists broke away from their Majesty. Gagarin is our pride. good Maybe that's why you are trying to sculpt a hero from a mask? There is nothing more to be proud of. request
  8. aleksandrmakedo Offline aleksandrmakedo
    aleksandrmakedo (Dubovitsky Victor Kuzmich) 13 June 2020 11: 51
    +4
    Only a very engaged scribbler can compare the prices COMPETITIVE with MONOPOLES. Prices The mask, squeezed by budget subsidies, received unprecedented amounts of dough from NASA, both in order to create competition, according to the doctrine adopted in the USA - to have eggs in at least three baskets, not building a space city, launch, production, but received in advance from closed space programs Apollo, Shuttle, and now REFERENCE preferences, with those who learned to work in market conditions, Russia? It is necessary to restore order in Roscosmos without fail. Restructuring? Probably. A monster doing EVERYTHING, cosmic, near-cosmic and not cosmic at all, moving with trillions of funds, and not transparent to law enforcement officers, should not exist. Hundreds of subcontractors are needed, dealing exclusively with their rather narrow issues, and controlled from top to bottom not only by the state, but also by commissions composed of competing organizations. The competitor will not miss the bribes of his counterpart. So let them fight in the offices of the courts and the offices of the investigating authorities.