Why are we still flying into space on the old Soviet "Unions"


On May 30, Elon Musk forever inscribed his name in history. His SpaceX Corporation was the first commercial company to carry out a manned flight. The ultra-modern ship Crew Dragon, launched into orbit with the Falcon 9 reusable rocket, successfully delivered the American astronauts Dag Hurley and Bob Benken aboard the ISS.


It is worth noting that the successes of a brilliant engineer and his company are not limited to creating a new transportation system for NASA (although no one else has been able to do this since 2011).

Founded in 2002, SpaceX has today celebrated the creation of the Falcon 9, a partially-reusable heavy rocket, the Falcon Heavy, the Dragon 1 cargo ship and the manned Crew Dragon. Modern suits, in which the astronauts who arrived on the ISS donned, are also a development of the corporation. And SpaceX is building a Super Heavy rocket and Starship for deep space exploration. And all this for 18 years!

In fairness, I must say that not all of Elon Musk turns out smoothly. The first version of the reusable rocket called Falcon 1 exploded in 2006. There were problems with the “valves” of Crew Dragon; four Starship layouts have already been torn apart. However, each time SpaceX returns and will continue to work hard, adhering to the original strategy. As a result, the Falcon 9 and Crew Dragon flew. I am sure that Starship & Super Heavy will fly. What about us?

Projects, projects and more projects ...


And our situation is as follows: modern Russia flies on the “Union”, although modernized, but developed in the 60s. No, by no means do I claim that the ship is bad. 132 successful manned flights are undoubtedly worthy of respect. But this ship is a legacy of the Soviet Union, as, in fact, the vast majority of space of technologies modern Russia. And it cannot be said that our country does not want or is not trying to build something of its own. Tries. But it turns out so far not so ...

In the late 90s, RSC Energia began to develop an apparatus called the Clipper. The new manned ship outwardly was somewhat similar to the American Shuttle or the Soviet Buran.

A promising space plan in technological terms, as they said then, was ten years ahead of its time. The device was to be launched into orbit by a rocket, and returned in airplane mode. At the same time, the Clipper was supposed to be reusable, “sharpened” under the reliable Soyuz rocket and could take on board up to 3 cosmonauts.


Multipurpose manned space shuttle Clipper

The fact that the project was really worthwhile is also indicated by the desire of the European Space Agency to participate in the creation of a new transport system, investing 100 million pounds a year in it. But seeing the “inertness” of the then leadership of Roskosmos, the European partners decided not to litter the money.

The sad end came in 2006. The Clipper project was closed due to “technicaleconomic unrealizability. "

We didn’t “grieve” for long. Three years later, the project of the manned transport system "Rus" was born in the minds of domestic engineers. It should be noted right away that the idea was literate. A booster was being developed and a ship was already under it, as, in fact, should be.
What is the result? The media creation project was closed in 2011.


Promising manned transport system PTK NP (Russia)

No less deplorable fate befell a spaceship. Initially, it was developed for flights to the ISS. But the “Roskosmos” decided that we did not need a low-orbit vehicle (after all, the “Unions” were flying), it was time to “sweep” the moon, and there it was not far to Mars.

So the idea of ​​creating a "Federation" arose, which later decided to give a masculine name and was dubbed the "Eagle". However, here everything is not going very smoothly. At first, Roscosmos could not decide on a rocket. Then, with grief in half, the device was decided to be "screwed" to the heavy "Hangar", which has been developed since 1994. It later turned out that the ship was too heavy.


Reusable manned spacecraft Federation

The first launch of the former "Federation" is scheduled for 2025. At the same time, in April of this year, Dmitry Rogozin said that it was time to change the aging "Unions", allowing the creation of an easy version of the "Eagle".

Now for the launch vehicles.

The Soyuz-5 launch vehicle, which is supposed to fly only in 2024, is already considering changing from medium to “retraining” into heavy (why then “Angara”?). At the same time, an average Soyuz-6 is already being designed to replace it.

With the superheavy Yenisei, everything is still foggy. The project was agreed in half with grief, then they found dozens of mistakes in it, and the first flight was planned already in the distant 30s.

We are also going to build a reusable missile, which, according to then-Deputy Prime Minister Rogozin, "has nowhere to plant."

What is stopping us?


With such a truly great design school, resource base and highly qualified specialists, we cannot compete with a relatively young commercial company from the USA. Why it happens?

As for me, the whole point is the lack of a clear development strategy. The ever-changing leaders of the space agency with a lot of projects in their heads and an absolute lack of strategic understanding turn Roskosmos into a bunny jumping from garden to garden.

Perhaps the victory of Ilona Mask is that “click on the nose” that should sober up our “promising” managers?

After all, you can finally finish building the middle Soyuz-5, bring to mind the heavy and light Angara, and build at least a low-orbit Eagle ...

Flights to the Moon and Mars, futuristic bases and a near-moon station, reusable rockets, the resurrection of the Buran and a bunch of promising projects of recent years - all this is interesting and, of course, necessary. But then, in perspective. In the meantime, you need to soberly prioritize and focus on the devices that are needed now.

After all, Soviet technology is, of course, the best in the world, but it will not last forever. Together with SpaceX, we are ready to challenge the ambitious Boeing and Blue Origin.
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  1. King3214 Offline
    King3214 (Sergius) 2 June 2020 15: 55
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    And why do people still use the wheel, eh, the author?
    Our rockets are time-tested. And the "achievements" of Americans are increasingly virtual.
    1. Cyril Offline
      Cyril (Kirill) 2 June 2020 16: 07
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      The horse is also time-tested, but personally, do you personally prefer to ride cars?
      1. King3214 Offline
        King3214 (Sergius) 2 June 2020 18: 20
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        Yeah. A horse is more expensive than an average car.
        So we drive cars from poverty. :-))
        1. Cyril Offline
          Cyril (Kirill) 2 June 2020 18: 49
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          It is precisely that a one-time “horse” “Soyuz” ultimately costs more than a reusable “car” “Dragon” or its Russian counterpart “Federation” ..
          1. Oyo Sarkazmi Offline
            Oyo Sarkazmi (Oyo Sarkazmi) 2 June 2020 19: 03
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            Quote: Cyril
            that a one-time Soyuz horse is ultimately more expensive than a reusable Dragon car

            And who told you that? How can you create something cheap in expensive America?
            Musk is a master of "zombie companies." Taking loans, he determines the amount of profit only within the repayment of current payments. And the debts taken for 20 years remain.
            If at some point Musk cannot take out a loan, Tesla and Space X will give up in a month.
            Moreover, Musk himself does not risk anything - company debts, and not his personal debts.
            1. Cyril Offline
              Cyril (Kirill) 2 June 2020 19: 12
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              And who told you that? How can you create something cheap in expensive America?

              You know, to ensure the cheapness of Russian technology with low wages for those who create it - well, such a solution ...

              Musk is a master of "zombie companies." Taking loans, he determines the amount of profit only within the repayment of current payments. And the debts taken for 20 years remain.

              These tales about the fact that "Mask companies are alive only through loans and grants" will be eternal, I understand. But in reality this is not so.

              In the United States, there is a clear example of a space company that lived only at the expense of government orders - Orbital ATK. She carried out orders for the military and NASA, they did not enter the commercial market. In the end, she went bankrupt, although her original position (it was a respected and large company) was much stronger than that of SpaceX.
            2. Cyril Offline
              Cyril (Kirill) 2 June 2020 19: 15
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              SpaceX, on the other hand, not only does not go bankrupt, but also, apparently, is robust enough, since it allows itself to carry out the development of Starships with their continuous tests. For this program, NASA did not give them money at all, so they are provided precisely from the income of the company itself.
              1. Oyo Sarkazmi Offline
                Oyo Sarkazmi (Oyo Sarkazmi) 2 June 2020 21: 55
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                Quote: Cyril
                SpaceX is not only not going bankrupt, but, apparently, the robbery is booming

                Lemon Brothers, too, flourished robustly. But they were blown away as soon as they were not given saving 5 billion.
                1. Cyril Offline
                  Cyril (Kirill) 2 June 2020 22: 51
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                  The analogy is incorrect. Lemon Brothers is an exclusively financial institution. Its product is financial and banking services.

                  SpaceX and Tesla are manufacturing companies. Their product is specific products, as well as services associated with these specific products.

                  In other words, these are too different companies to draw an analogy between them.
                  1. Oyo Sarkazmi Offline
                    Oyo Sarkazmi (Oyo Sarkazmi) 3 June 2020 14: 24
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                    Quote: Cyril
                    SpaceX and Tesla are manufacturing companies. Their product is specific products, as well as services associated with these specific products.

                    What does not protect them from global finance. Tesla is chronically unprofitable. Unlike our E-mobile and Marussi - she can take loans at negligible interest. Loans will be given while Tesla's operations will offset loan servicing.
                    The same with Spets'ami. But now in the United States began a mess of children. Credit may not be given. And to build a rocket to pay interest on loans will not succeed. And immediately an application for protection from creditors.
                    1. Cyril Offline
                      Cyril (Kirill) 4 June 2020 20: 18
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                      Tesla is chronically unprofitable.

                      Since the end of 2018, she has shown stable profit, actually.

                      Same thing with the Space.

                      Proof of loans for SpaceX in the studio, pliz.
                      1. Oyo Sarkazmi Offline
                        Oyo Sarkazmi (Oyo Sarkazmi) 4 June 2020 20: 56
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                        Take a look at the financial statements. Assets are loans received. Liabilities - own funds.
                        Tesla was profitable 1 time - in the 1st quarter of 2019. At the end of the year - 200 million loss.
                      2. Cyril Offline
                        Cyril (Kirill) 4 June 2020 21: 38
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                        https://vc.ru/finance/124131-tesla-poluchila-pribyl-tretiy-kvartal-podryad-16-mln-za-pervye-tri-mesyaca-2020-goda
            3. Dear sofa expert. 3 June 2020 08: 47
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              SpaceX is not only not going bankrupt.

              The word “bankrupt”, used in the present tense, smiles.))
              1. Cyril Offline
                Cyril (Kirill) 3 June 2020 09: 11
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                I wrote "don't go bankrupt."
        2. King3214 Offline
          King3214 (Sergius) 2 June 2020 22: 13
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          This is the first launch in 10 years !!!
          It is not yet known how he will fly and whether it is a coincidence that he even took off.
          1. Cyril Offline
            Cyril (Kirill) 2 June 2020 22: 54
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            This device took off on the Falcon-9 rocket, which for more than 10 years has been more than successfully operated.

            The device itself before this launch already flew to the ISS in a test unmanned flight and successfully returned. This is still not enough to talk about the 100% reliability of the ship, yes, but it can be said with a certain degree of certainty.
        3. Dear sofa expert. 3 June 2020 10: 03
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          Quote: Cyril
          It is precisely that a one-time “horse” “Soyuz” ultimately costs more than a reusable “car” “Dragon” or its Russian counterpart “Federation” ..

          It will show time. Too many factors are involved to prove the profitability of the project.
          First you need to at least amortize the funds invested in this project. Then, as demand for this product, the result will be visible.
          Here the "unions" amortized themselves, and today they bring only profit. What is the point of abandoning this profit?
          1. Cyril Offline
            Cyril (Kirill) 3 June 2020 11: 09
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            It will show time. Too many factors are involved to prove the profitability of the project

            I agree.

            Here the "unions" amortized themselves, and today they bring only profit.

            Debatable. Soyuz is a one-time and at the same time very technically sophisticated product. It paid off, while the Americans paid a lot of money for it. Will it pay off after they stop doing it?
            1. Dear sofa expert. 3 June 2020 11: 51
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              . "Union" is a one-time and at the same time very technically sophisticated product.

              That is why it is a priori cost-effective. This is a piece product, and it is not created for future use, but on the fact of demand. Demand creates supply. When drafting the contract, the costs of production (other) are calculated and profit margins are determined. So there can no longer be unjustified costs there in principle.
              The main costs in such "space-scale" projects is the development itself, and the creation of the necessary infrastructure for this. When they talk about depreciation, this is precisely what is meant.
              1. Winnie Offline
                Winnie (Winnie) 6 June 2020 06: 09
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                Soyuz is a one-time and at the same time very technically sophisticated product.

                That is why it is a priori cost-effective.

                The fundamentally wrong message! Musk uses a launch vehicle and a ship that are 80% reusable. It was due to this technological advantage that he received technical and economic benefits.
                1. Dear sofa expert. 6 June 2020 11: 01
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                  The fundamentally wrong message!

                  I heard a ring, but you don’t know where he is.
  • Sapsan136 Offline
    Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 2 June 2020 16: 07
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    Because Judas Gorbachev and the sect of Alkash Boriski Yeltsin ruined the project of the reusable space shuttle Buran and didn’t hit a finger to fix the situation ... Putin has money for palaces for Abramovich and similar foreign citizens, there’s always not enough money for anything else !!!
  • 123 Offline
    123 (123) 2 June 2020 16: 22
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    After all, Soviet technology is, of course, the best in the world, but it will not last forever. Together with SpaceX, we are ready to challenge the ambitious Boeing and Blue Origin.

    Why is this a challenge to us? They will use them themselves. The question must be posed somewhat differently. Why are they building them so much? Where do you plan to fly them? Maybe this is an attempt to drag Russia into the space technology race, spray resources, pull them from the military direction. As far as I understand, it is it that is now in priority. Survival is much more important than the image of an advanced space power. Let them come with a proudly raised head, we do not mind. They’ll build three ships and let them compete with each other.
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      cmonman (Garik Mokin) 2 June 2020 16: 48
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      .. Let them walk with their heads held high

      With pleasure we will look up, OUR BEAUTIFUL flies there !!!
      And you look under your feet - they dug trenches surrounded, you can collapse !!!
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        123 (123) 2 June 2020 16: 51
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        ... Let them walk with their heads held high.

        With pleasure we will look up, OUR BEAUTIFUL flies there !!!
        And you look under your feet - they dug trenches surrounded, you can collapse !!!

        Enjoy. good drinks
        Let there be trenches, otherwise all sorts of suspicious persons are selected to the borders. That's just about the environment, it's fantasy. hi
      2. Dear sofa expert. 3 June 2020 10: 08
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        there OUR BEAUTIFUL flies !!!

        When did it become yours? Are you a native of this state? Or were you just allowed to live there, and today you need to constantly “gear” for this, proving your allegiance to the new owner?
  • cmonman Offline
    cmonman (Garik Mokin) 2 June 2020 16: 54
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    From the article:

    Modern spacesuits, which the astronauts who arrived on the ISS put on, are also a development of the corporation.

    Modern spacesuits were developed not by SpaceX, but by Hollywood, without jokes !!!
    Here, in Russian, as it was:

    The SpaceX suit was created by a Hollywood designer: how was it?

    https://hi-news.ru/eto-interesno/skafandr-spacex-byl-sozdan-gollivudskim-dizajnerom-kak-eto-bylo.html

    Space clothes were sewn by designer Jose Fernandez, who has been creating costumes for superhero movies about Batman and Spider-Man for more than 20 years.
  • Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 2 June 2020 17: 02
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    The answer is simple.
    Only the official salary of Rogozin - 6 salaries of experienced astronauts (profit - 600%).
    And the whole salary of the Moscow building of Roscosmos is comparable to the whole salary of the rest of Roscosmos (something like that according to statistics, they wrote a year ago)

    And what for then something else ???
  • shadow Offline
    shadow 2 June 2020 18: 17
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    Oh, how many articles)), as with oil. Everyone screamed, screamed that Russia had lost everything and her kapets, but as a result, it was the other way around) So here. A bunch of all sorts of articles, a bunch of all kinds of comments to her, and then disappointment that Max again fooled.
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      Brancodd 2 June 2020 21: 16
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      Yes, the author got out with oil. The verdict was read to us. Now the Federal Space Program is reading the verdict. Moreover, right from the barricades in the burning Baltimore or Philadelphia ...
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        shadow 2 June 2020 21: 19
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    Brancodd 2 June 2020 21: 11
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    Word Mask:

    Russia has excellent rocket technology and the best engine available. The reusable version of their new Angara rocket would be excellent.
  • We do not fly, because the hat is no longer on Senka. Quote from forbes.ru:

    The Russian space program looks like a pale shadow of the technological power of the Soviet Union. For all post-Soviet time, not a single truly breakthrough product or technology has been created. The invisibility of the size of the Russian economy, the ongoing brain drain, the degradation of technical education, the isolation of the space industry by international sanctions and export restrictions are all the keys to guaranteed withering of former power.

    I do not like this newspaper, but in fact, everything is written correctly. The modern Russian Federation is not capable of such things as the creation of a new spaceship in principle, since the current government, the essence of which can be expressed with a simple popular saying, “so that we have everything and that we don’t have anything for it,” turned our country into a dying a raw-material colony, in which some of the modern industries necessary for space exploration, such as machine tools and microelectronics, are completely absent. The times when we were doing something serious are long gone. Space is not ours anymore and now we just have to not worry about it, just as the inhabitants of Swaziland are not worried about it.
    1. Dear sofa expert. 3 June 2020 10: 22
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      The Russian space program looks like a pale shadow of the technological power of the Soviet Union.

      Do not remind us who paid the external debts of the “powerful”?
      1. The gas station under the name of the Russian Federation paid for through the sale of raw materials when prices were high. Now their prices are at cost level. A rotten gas station is the image of today's Russia.
        1. Dear sofa expert. 5 June 2020 08: 17
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          Paid for a gas station called the Russian Federation through the sale of raw materials, when prices were high

          How did these fools torture with their mantra about the "gas station"))
          1. If you are so smart, why are we so poor? Hopelessly backward, degrading country, with an endangered population. You simply do not want to accept this fact. It’s much easier to work off your pennies on the net and convince yourself of the greatness of Pu under vodka. Well, or "enough for our century, and after us at least a flood." There are opportunists with such a worldview. Which category do you belong to?
            1. Dear sofa expert. 7 June 2020 21: 06
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              Much easier to work out their pennies online

              Oh, if I also paid a penny, I would write day and night))), but at least any garbage like you.

              You just do not want to accept this fact

              The fact of what ?? What am I dying out?) Well, then I will calm you down. Rumors of my extinction are greatly exaggerated.
              But you have some kind of problem. Envy? Or anger?
              By the way .. about the endangered population .. In 2014, as much as 2 million at a time increased. I hope it will soon be added a couple more. And you take better care of your population. And then soon "from visa-free" everything will turn into a zarobitchan. Who will look after your old people?
              1. In 2014, as much as 2 million infections increased.

                Of course, due to the annexation of the Crimea, it increased.

                Rumors of my extinction are greatly exaggerated.

                I didn’t mean your person, people like you don’t die out, people like you are fine, I'm sure of that. And the country as a whole is dying, the last two years a negative population decline, even taking into account migrants, the Russian population with low incomes is especially dying. And because of the crisis, quarantine, pension reform and the economic policy of the authorities, this process, apparently, will develop on an increasing basis.
                But you don’t care, the main thing is to carelessly write that "2 million has increased." Well, as they say, "Emel’s shallows, your week." I was not mistaken in you, you are from the 2 category "after us even a flood".
                1. Dear sofa expert. 8 June 2020 10: 16
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                  for people like you, everything is fine

                  Yes, all is well. And I want you to be fine. Therefore, lament less, do more business. With your whining, you will not help the “low-income population”.
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              321 (321) 7 June 2020 21: 08
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              Quote: Alien on this holiday of life
              If you are so smart, why are we so poor? Hopelessly backward, degrading country, with an endangered population. You just do not want to accept this fact...

              Accept this fact solely because you are all in white here, we decided to open our eyes to all of us and have laid them out - see clearly? bully
              Although it is precisely such openers like you, and not only you personally, who have made and are still making every effort so that everything really becomes irreversible - what do you call me after that? Although there is something to tear about - you, and not only here, have ALREADY been called for a long time and even placed where you are completely under your efforts - here is your colleague, someone Cyril, when he hinted at him a long time ago where and who wrote about him, and that it is inextricably linked in the number nine - stubbornly tried to prove to me that I simply confused the room number of Chekhov ... negative
              Show your talents in this field ... hi

              Quote: Alien on this holiday of life
              ... Much easier to work out their pennies on the network ...

              For such UNproven opuses in a good company they have been using a candelabober for a long time - but you only benefit from Internet anonymity - easily state that it’s like you weren’t, that’s your essence - all of you ... negative

              Quote: Alien on this holiday of life
              ... under vodka, convince yourself of the greatness of Pu. Well, or "enough for our age, but after us at least a flood." There are opportunists with such a worldview. Which category do you belong to?

              How can you, all-scribblers, be predictable and NOT original - you already wrote about the gas station, there are still quite a few stamps that you have not used ... hi
              1. Hopelessly backward, degrading country, with an endangered population.

                I am not in white and not in gray-brown-crimson and am not trying to open your eyes. I just honestly, without emotion, state the real facts, whether you like it or not, and all kinds of verbal cliches like, “opener, all-props”, unfortunately, do not change the reality. All the info about it - economic, criminal, demographic and other - is well known and lies in the network, in our time everyone knows this and who is not too lazy to get to know about it. I am sure that you are a thinking person and you cannot not know this, therefore, what you write here, knowing what is happening, causes disgust, you really work out a penny.
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                  321 (321) 8 June 2020 05: 57
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                  Quote: Alien on this holiday of life
                  ... I'm not in white and not in gray-brown-crimson and I'm not trying to open your eyes. I just in good faith, without emotion I state the real facts...

                  “And we kind of believe you” laughing - this is about your “in good faith and without emotions” - you also need to be able to whistle, you personally do it badly, and the SELECTION of facts is lame for you, but this is exactly your problem ... bully

                  Quote: Alien on this holiday of life
                  ... and all kinds of verbal cliches like, "opener, all-trap", unfortunately, do not change the reality ...

                  Who would write about stamps here? First turn to yourself - do you have these stamps in such quantities that you aren’t tired of the gas station yet? ... but when people like you were embarrassed that a log sticks out of your eye, no, you will write about the straw in a strange eye almost completely, familiar ... negative

                  Quote: Alien on this holiday of life
                  ... All the info about it - economic, criminal, demographic and other - is well known and lies in the network, nowadays everyone who is not too lazy to get to know about it ...

                  The one that you and your colleagues "carefully" pulled out and picked up? Because of you and your comrades, the Internet has become a worldwide garbage dump - they themselves have falsified, they themselves have posted and now they themselves are distributing - here’s your comrades short slogan, details can be omitted in this case

                  Quote: Alien on this holiday of life
                  ... therefore, what you write here, knowing what is happening, causes disgust, you really work off a penny.

                  Your emotions do not bother me.
                  And even your brothers’s thoughts DOESN’t admit that someone can actually think or think differently, however, one thing is good - your level and comrades, you are basically trying to take in number - a nude. hi
  • Dear sofa expert. 3 June 2020 09: 31
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    Quote: Cyril
    I wrote "do not go bankrupt"

    I saw) Bankruptcy, it's like death - a fait accompli. Now, when (or if) is accomplished, it can be discussed.
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      Cyril (Kirill) 3 June 2020 11: 12
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      Bankruptcy, it’s like death is a fait accompli. Now, when (or if) is accomplished, it can be discussed.

      So why are you saying this to me, and not to those who constantly call Mask companies bankrupt?)
      1. Dear sofa expert. 3 June 2020 12: 01
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        So why are you saying this to me, and not to those who constantly call Mask companies bankrupt?)

        I do not call Mask bankrupt. I have a slightly different attitude towards him, but I do not want to develop the topic, since this is a purely personal opinion. But he is brilliant - this is not in dispute.
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    Bitter (Gleb) 3 June 2020 11: 07
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    Why are we still flying into space on the old Soviet "Unions"

    Probably because there are no new Soviet “Unions” and will never be.
    Buran "flew" to the museum and did not promise to return.
    There is hardly enough new Russian money for yachts and airplanes for respected people and their effective managers. Well, partners should be invested regularly.
    But it is necessary to strive, or at least this desire to imitate, with different layouts and bright slogans.
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    Rt2019a (AI) 3 June 2020 12: 32
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    The trouble with Russian astronautics is the lack of specialists, both young and old school. Specialists, I mean, it is in the direct meaning of the word. In the 90s there was a successful collapse of everything, and astronautics including At RSC Energia they did not even pay a beggarly salary. That is also the Soviet leadership of the enterprise was engaged in their personal integration into the new "economy". As a result, specialists leave the enterprise. Remain incapable of "technical impotent". It was they, in the absence of others, who subsequently began to lead the enterprise and the industry. About Roskosmos and say nothing. Good salary, warm office, what else is needed to meet old age? Well, of course, the appointment of "successful managers" instead of specialists makes itself felt!
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    colyanpirogov (Nikolai Pirogov) 3 June 2020 16: 28
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    I completely agree with the opinion of the author, except that this is the success of a "commercial company" ... !!! And do not listen to Cyril, who is very deeply mistaken when he says that - "SpaceX ... is flourishing, since it allows itself to carry out the development of Starships with their continuous tests." Remember !!! Not a single commercial company in the world can, and most importantly, will not spend its money with such colossal risks (accidents) as space exploration! All SpaceX developments are funded by the state (thank God, there is still the opportunity to print candy wrappers ...)! This is a fact and Musk admitted it! It’s easier, both to control from the side and optimize costs that you won’t take into account in the public sector. Such a number of accidents and subsequent investments ... can only be pulled by VERY rich countries !!! China, Russia "in doubt", America! Even Japan will not pull ...! So this success, of course, is for the company too, but first of all - the leaders of the state in charge of the US space programs! Well, the fact that Musk is dumping is only as long as he is given a "carte blanche" for that! Now technologies on private traders will be rolled in, redeemed and transferred to NASA! But not a ride - they will write off all the failures on SpaceX. Will create a new "private" company and will bring to mind! So the whole success of boys and girls is solely in substantial, focused funding and control !!! :)
  • How, how - all the 90s they just plundered the cosmos, so why now moan?
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    Netyn (Netyn) 4 June 2020 01: 13
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    Suddenly, everyone has become space experts.
    What happened?
    Normal were virologists and economists
    PS, solid water and wet imagination of the author. Although the leading analysts - Cyril and Marzhetsky will definitely check it out. This is their level.
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    Dust (Sergei) 4 June 2020 04: 33
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    Roscosmos annually receives $ 2 billion a year! But, we do not see a return on invested funds. The latest success is Buran’s flight in 1988. It's all! After that, 32 years of living in space exploration.
    1. Lepsik baralgeen (Lepsik Baralgeen) 7 June 2020 08: 18
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      And Musk received $ 2.5 billion for just a couple of seats in the cargo minibus.
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    All US space is built exclusively by private companies. Shuttles, for example, were built by Rockwell Automation, Inc.

    Well, the whole article abounds with such nonsense.
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    aleksandrmakedo (Dubovitsky Victor Kuzmich) 14 June 2020 14: 29
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    Quote: King3214
    And why do people still use the wheel, eh, the author?
    Our rockets are time-tested. And the "achievements" of Americans are increasingly virtual.

    What is more important - a hacksaw, or a stool, which is always used every day, and not like a hacksaw, which is used every few years to repair a stool? More important, in my opinion, the PRESENCE in space, in orbit, having spent so many visits and building so many experiments that are needed to accumulate knowledge and organize a new step into the future. And it doesn’t matter which ship FLY. The main thing is to do it at the lowest cost and with maximum reliability. Let's learn from the mistakes of others. The shuttle has sunk into oblivion. Why do we need Buran? In order for Americans to be convinced of its inefficiency? To repeat their madness in the repair?

    Thought- will be SO:



    It turns out that:



    What, we will be better?
    To drive 60 tons of iron into orbit, and puzzle over the descent from orbit? Having two (!!!!!) landing strips. ONLY! And if the accident is in orbit and you urgently need to tear the claws from there? No. need to wait for the next round. to land not in the ocean, not at the enemy, but at home. And this is almost 2 hours. Parachuting a piece of iron is ten times lighter, and over the vast territory of the country, which is much easier and safer for the crew. And the accident at the start? Shooting the Union is one thing, and it has already worked several times, saving people. How to shoot Buran?
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    aleksandrmakedo (Dubovitsky Victor Kuzmich) 14 June 2020 14: 46
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    Quote: Dust
    Roscosmos annually receives $ 2 billion a year! But, we do not see a return on invested funds. The latest success is Buran’s flight in 1988. It's all! After that, 32 years of living in space exploration.

    The ISS is holding onto Russian launches. And the change of crews, and the correction of the height of the orbit. Or do you want to make every start-record? Then you have to go in for sports. And try there, turn every start into a record. Tear the navel to yourself, do not hurt others.

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    aleksandrmakedo (Dubovitsky Victor Kuzmich) 14 June 2020 14: 48
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    Quote: BoBot Robot - Free Thinking Machine
    How, how, then - all 90s they just plundered the cosmos, so now moan?

    Annoy that you could not? Or could, but in another place?