Roscosmos intends to use Crew Dragon to deliver astronauts to the ISS


The state corporation Roscosmos said that in the future, Russian astronauts will be able to use the American manned spacecraft Crew Dragon and Starliner for flight to the ISS.


Everything is discussed in the plans for further interaction.

- reported RIA News" head of the press service of Roscosmos Vladimir Ustimenko.

Ustimenko said that in this case, astronauts from the United States will continue to fly on Russian Soyuz spacecraft. He also wrote on his Twitter account that the resumption of the US own manned flights, after a 9-year break, is a good event, because it will allow humanity to have two systems for delivering astronauts / astronauts to the ISS, which will insure each other. At the same time he He pledgedthat already in 2020, Roscosmos will test two new missiles, since Russia is not going to stand still.

In turn, the head of NASA, Jim Brydenstein, said that cooperation with Russia will continue. At the same time, the head of SpaceX, Elon Musk, after the successful launch of the Falcon-9 rocket with the manned reusable ship Crew Dragon reminded to the head of Roskosmos, Dmitry Rogozin, his words about the "trampoline" said by him in 2014.

It should be added that earlier the head of the Cosmonaut Training Center Pavel Vlasov said that a group of Russian cosmonauts had already been selected for the flight to the ISS on new US ships.
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  1. gorenina91 Online
    gorenina91 (Irina) 31 May 2020 16: 59
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    Roscosmos intends to use Crew Dragon to deliver astronauts to the ISS

    - Well, well ... - First, the American "Grew Dragon" (Dragon Companion); and then some Chinese "Flying Dragon" ... - now everything will fit for Roscosmos ...
  2. Cyril Offline
    Cyril (Kirill) 31 May 2020 17: 15
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    Where is the lovely 123 that I was rubbing about the fact that "Dragons are not needed"? laughing
    1. shadow Offline
      shadow 31 May 2020 17: 21
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      Well, in the future, that's not for sure. But the fact that they will fly to the Unions is for sure.) Yes, and why did Roskosmos need this junk, which only took off for the first time, and before that there were only explosions?
      1. Cyril Offline
        Cyril (Kirill) 31 May 2020 17: 26
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        Earlier, the head of the Cosmonaut Training Center Pavel Vlasov said that a group of Russian astronauts for a flight to the ISS on new US ships has already been selected.]

        Especially for you, my little .... friend.
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          shadow 31 May 2020 17: 31
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          So what? As picked up, they will remove it if this Dragon cannot work normally. Once launched, so the navels of the earth. And then suddenly what will happen, then what?
          When these flights take place is unknown. So for now this is just talk. Let the technology work out first. ) Not even a year has passed, launched on the ISS.
      2. Natan bruk Offline
        Natan bruk (Natan Bruk) 1 June 2020 15: 48
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        What, serious explosions alone? But what about the cargo Dragons that flew to the ISS, how did they manage without explosions? It seems to me that this “Soyuz” becomes junk, the launch of which costs much more, the steps do not return, and the automatics of the one on the Dragon. Well, there will be more capacity.
    2. cmonman Offline
      cmonman (Garik Mokin) 31 May 2020 19: 52
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      Where is the lovely 123 that I was rubbing about the fact that "Dragons are not needed"?

      He silently set Fat Minus I have no words...
      1. 123 Offline
        123 (123) 31 May 2020 22: 14
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        “Where is the lovely 123 that I was rubbing about the fact that" Dragons are not needed "? ”
        He silently set the fat Minus, no words ...

        Don’t worry, the rationale for the minus can be voiced, unless, of course, someone cares a lot, in the sense of all these + and -.
        In my opinion, if something needs to be set in silence, then this is Fingal. laughing
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    3. 123 Offline
      123 (123) 31 May 2020 22: 06
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      Where is the lovely 123 that I was rubbing about the fact that "Dragons are not needed"?

      Sorry for such a long absence. hi I enjoyed the sight of sending people of pre-retirement age in a strange robe into space. laughing After watching, I have two questions.
      1. The age of “experimental” 49 years and 53 years. This is a staff shortage and was not found younger or is it not so scary to send them, have you already lived?
      2. Pretty weird overalls. sad Why are there boots in space? Or is it a Star Wars styling? what

      As for the actual need, after your rather vague expression of thoughts, I have clarifying questions.
      What do you mean by the expression "Dragons are not needed"? Do not need anyone? Americans or us?

      2 weeks passed, the Dragon flew, what has changed in terms of "need"?
      Here is my comment on May 15, 2020.
      More details under the article.

      Cosmonaut delivery to the ISS: Americans offer Russia barter


      We want to conclude a barter agreement. The plan is for the Russian cosmonauts to fly on American ships, and our astronauts will fly on Soyuz ships ... Thus, we will link the two space programs together. This will allow in case of problems of one of the parties with the manned spacecraft to successfully continue work on the ISS

      As for me, firstly, this is an attempt to lay straws in advance. feel Or do the Unions have any problems on the horizon?
      Secondly, an attempt to provide Dragon with “payload”, the ship is designed for 7 people, driving empty is inefficient, and sending 7 people at once is unprofitable. yes

      Here is my comment (not complete, only regarding the topic) of May 17, 2020:

      Oh yes, yes this is your blind faith in the infallibility of Mask and his colleagues, sorry, I almost forgot about it. winked Let me tell you a little about the balance of opportunities and needs.
      Exactly ten days later, a manned launch will take place, in any case, I hope everything goes well, Mr. Trump will puff out his cheeks and scribble on Twitter about the achievements of the great and exceptional American nation. All of America will applaud and rejoice in getting rid of dependence on this gas station. And the whole world will giggle, the allies quietly behind, the rest just in person. The fireworks will die down, the confetti will settle down and the champagne will stop flowing, the time will come to exploit the "beauty and pride" of the nation, the wonderful Dragon. In general, work days will begin.
      For a long time, the ISS cost delivery to the Unions in order not to delve into the calculations, we simplify everything to a primitive extreme, take the Union capacity - 3 people. The US share is 1,5 (do not find fault with the numbers, this is all very approximate). Dragon's capacity is 7 people, therefore, the possibility of delivery increased by 5 times. This means that in one flight you can deliver five times more people or cargo, or make flights 5 times less. But the question is, is this necessary?
      You see, the ISS does not have the ability to increase in volume, it is not designed for a larger number of people and cargo and simply does not physically accommodate them, unless the Americans set up a campground on its outer skin. There is another option to send the ship 5 times less often, say, not once every six months, but once every 2,5 years. Surely astronauts will like this prospect. For a complete triumph, the commissioning of Starliner is not enough, these are 7 more people, and it will be possible to fly once every 5 years.
      To better understand the loading efficiency, so to speak, the scale of the change, imagine the Nord Stream, 10% full or Gazelle with one driver without passengers. Evaluated the prospect?
      In order to somehow rectify the situation, a proposal was received for the use of two ships, Dragon and the Union.
      Roscosmos faces the prospect of losing half the load, and if we accept the "barter" offer of the Americans, the launches of the Unions will decrease by 4 times. In fact, this is a program stop. I don’t see any reason for this.
      Consequently, American partners will be expressed admiration for the achievements and the desire to enjoy the result in splendid isolation.

      In this case (the text highlighted), I was wrong, but it was not me who made the decision, but your “favorite” Rogozin. For what reasons, this was not yet clear.

      Here is another excerpt:

      As practice has shown, staying on the ISS for 2-3 cosmonauts is quite enough for Russia. In the Russian segment there is a star life support module, designed for 3 people. Opportunities for delivery and stay on the ISS are balanced.
      In the case of American astronauts, not everything is so obvious. Do they plan to sharply increase the intensity of scientific research and send 5-7 people at a time and live in laboratory modules? Otherwise, it will be difficult to load the Dragon. With the advent of Starliner, the situation will become more strange. If they plan 2020 launches for 2, what will happen next? They fly once a year and that’s all? The American ability to deliver people and cargo into orbit is clearly redundant.

      My opinion on this issue has not changed, the United States is more interested in this cooperation. The needs and capabilities for delivery to the ISS at Roscosmos are balanced. In the United States, capabilities clearly exceed needs. But the creation of the ship implies a series. Or do you think that the Dragon will remain in a single copy? But on the way, Starliner is coming from a Boeing, which will double the “flotilla”. There is still no answer to the question - where are they going to fly on them. Or they didn’t think about it, which is unlikely, at least one sensible person in NASA will probably be found. Or they know why they need so many ships, but plans have not yet been announced, which leads to certain thoughts, but this is another topic.
      1. Cyril Offline
        Cyril (Kirill) 1 June 2020 01: 04
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        Enjoyed the sight of sending into space persons of pre-retirement age in a strange robe.

        1. The age of “experimental” 49 years and 53 years. This is a staff shortage and was not found younger or is it not so scary to send them, have you already lived?

        Our astronauts who fly at the same age, you also scornfully call "persons of pre-retirement age"? Maybe then they are also just "not scared to send"?

        Well, for example.

        Ivanishin, Anatoly Alekseevich - 51 years old (last flight - 2019)

        Borisenko, Andrey Ivanovich - 56 years old (last flight - 2017, he was 54 years old then)

        Violin, Oleg Ivanovich - 50 years old (last flight - 2019)

        Kornienko, Mikhail Borisovich - 60 (!) Years (last flight - 2016).

        I do not recommend telling them in person that they have "lived already" - they will not understand and hurt.

        Quite strange overalls:: Why are there boots in space? Or is it a Star Wars styling

        https://sun9-62.userapi.com/c855320/v855320993/61141/AtGK-NzOceI.jpg

        - This is the Russian spacesuit "Falcon". Come on, too, Star Wars cosplay?

        In this case (the text highlighted), I was wrong, but it was not me who made the decision, but your “favorite” Rogozin. For what reasons, this was not yet clear.

        But you stated this with such aplomb, with such aplomb))

        There is still no answer to the question - where are they going to fly on them. Or they didn’t think about it, which is unlikely, at least one sensible person in NASA will probably be found. Or they know why they need so many ships, but plans have not yet been announced, which leads to certain thoughts, but this is another topic.

        Firstly, the Dragons will be used both as a manned and as a cargo ship. So they will load it also with loads. They told you about this. "Starliner most likely too." Plus they can increase the turnover of their crews.

        Secondly, Dragons can be used for other missions not related to the ISS. For example, the American company Axiom Space plans to create a commercial orbital station. Plus, after the end of the ISS’s life, Americans can give up their segment, again, to a commercial orbital station.

        Plus, of course, just tourist flights into orbit with a flyby of the Earth. There are tons of options for using them.
        1. 123 Offline
          123 (123) 1 June 2020 06: 59
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          Our astronauts who fly at the same age, you also scornfully call "persons of pre-retirement age"? Maybe then they are also just "not scared to send"?

          I don’t recommend telling them in person that they’ve already "lived" - they don’t understand and hurt

          Do you think 50-60-year-old men have such a delicate mental organization? Maybe you are just deeply worried that you disrespectfully spoke about idols? You should go to the army, listen to barracks jokes. yes I didn’t say such things about our cosmonauts, however, nor about the American ones.

          Why contemptuously? I am their age. What he saw, he said. The average age of the astronauts is between 30-40 years, in this case, both are decently older. I made an assumption why this is so. Do you have another explanation? Maybe they do not have time to learn the materiel before the age of 50?

          https://sun9-62.userapi.com/c855320/v855320993/61141/AtGK-NzOceI.jpg

          - This is the Russian spacesuit "Falcon". Come on, too, Star Wars cosplay?

          The designers of the Falcon were definitely not inspired by star wars, they were people of the post-war generation, for them it might be normal. In the courtyard of the 21st century, the design is still changing. This is the suit “SOKOL KV-2”:

          http://www.zvezda-npp.ru/ru/node/114

          Moreover, boots are present there, but they do not stick it out. The suit is not a fancy dress. Looking at our spacesuits, and even at the old American ones, it is clear that this is done for people, for work. What couturier in civilian clothes from the model’s house Mask had guessed fifty-year-old men to dress in the costumes of imperial stormtroopers, I do not know, but in my opinion, the idea is not a good one. I looked at this “masterpiece” once more, I thought maybe I didn’t appreciate the genius of the authors the first time, another question arose - the suit is in fact an airtight jumpsuit, and these look as if they are wearing hammers. I do not see any functional load for these design tricks. They would have hanged them. laughing
          In general, I looked and saw two people of pre-retirement age in strange robes and boots. If not for helmets and a spaceport, one would have thought that people from the masquerade are coming. I don’t see any reason to pretend that I liked it.

          But you stated this with such aplomb, with such aplomb))

          Ooh, are you so interested in intonation? Well, I'm sorry, I said, as I thought, on the drum, I’m not accustomed to talking about your idols with aspiration.

          Firstly, the Dragons will be used both as a manned and as a cargo ship. So they will load it also with loads. They told you about this. "Starliner most likely too." Plus they can increase the turnover of their crews.

          They can download whatever they want, the question is - where will they take it? Something did not show how they unloaded barrels of oranges on the ISS. request Increase crew turnover? Oh yeah, good This is a brilliant idea. They can drive home for the weekend, for sure, it's not expensive. laughing Then I read recently how their toilet broke, they write - instead of it, the output spacesuit was used, because evacuating ahead of schedule is expensive. Maybe they’re lying, but not about the price.

          Secondly, Dragons can be used for other missions not related to the ISS. For example, the American company Axiom Space plans to create a commercial orbital station. Plus, after the end of the ISS’s life, Americans can give up their segment, again, to a commercial orbital station.

          Of course they can, they’re just planning on a station, and it is not clear how long it will take. They, too, did not make a Dragon in a year. The ISS agreement, if I’m not mistaken, until 2024? It remains to wait a bit?

          Plus, of course, just tourist flights into orbit with a flyby of the Earth. There are tons of options for using them.

          Of course, there are a lot of options, but not a single sane, and all this is empty words. The next few years they have nowhere to fly. Moreover, as I understand it, NASA did not order a ship to drive tourists.
          Dragon for over 3 billion, the Starliner is hardly cheaper. They spent more than $ 6 billion in taxpayers on the election show. I look forward to new achievements. hi
          1. Cyril Offline
            Cyril (Kirill) 1 June 2020 13: 00
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            Do you think 50-60-year-old men have such a delicate mental organization?

            Read some story about Buzz Aldrin’s hook, which he made to one of the “lunar plotters” laughing

            Well, okay, they won’t hurt you, they just lose or even smile condescendingly - well, what to take from an amateur))

            Why contemptuously?

            Because the age of the astronauts has long been irrelevant. And you focus on him.

            I made an assumption why this is so. Do you have another explanation?

            Because now the astronaut is primarily a technical employee, and the experience of his work is important, not his age. At the age of 50-55, a trained man still has iron health.

            Maybe they do not have time to learn the materiel before the age of 50?

            That is, our astronauts of a similar age, too, "do not have time to learn materiel up to 50 years?")

            Looking at our spacesuits, and even at the old American ones, it is clear that this is done for people, for work.

            Like the SpaceX spacesuits. They also passed all the necessary tests for ergonomics, reliability, safety, etc. Do you not think that NASA simply dressed its astronauts in a beautiful suit and launched into orbit?

            I looked at this "masterpiece" again, I thought maybe not rated the first time the genius of the authors,

            NASA and SpaceX is very important your opinion and assessment of the amateur))

            the suit is, after all, an airtight jumpsuit, and these look as if they were wearing jackets.

            There are no "jackets". It is a single and sealed design.

            I do not see any functional load for these design tricks.

            There are no "designer tricks". Just the suits of SpaceX design (if we talk about appearance) is very minimalistic.

            In general, I looked and saw two people of pre-retirement age in strange robes and boots.

            Well, nobody really cares about your personal aesthetic preferences))

            I don’t see any reason to pretend that I liked it.

            And I don’t discuss your personal preferences. You noticed that their spacesuits have "rubber boots" - I gave you an example that they have exactly the same boots on Russian spacesuits.

            Ooh, are you so interested in intonation?

            I don’t care at all)) I’m talking about your competence (which is not), which is the basis for saying what Russian cosmonautics need or do not need.

            They can download whatever they want, the question is - where will they take it? Something did not show how they unloaded barrels of oranges on the ISS.

            As I already told you, the ISS carries not only water and food, but also equipment that is placed not only inside the station, but also outside. Places there - you can fill up.

            Then I read recently how their toilet broke, they write - instead of it, the output spacesuit was used, because evacuating ahead of schedule is expensive.

            That's right, expensive, because the cost of one seat on the Union for Americans is $ 90 million.

            They, too, did not make a Dragon in a year. The ISS agreement, if I’m not mistaken, until 2024? Left to wait a bit?

            Most likely extended until 2028.

            Of course they can, they’re just planning on a station, and it is not clear how long it will take. They, too, did not make a Dragon in a year.

            So the station already actually is - this is the ISS. When the state program ends, it can simply be transferred to private owners.

            Moreover, as I understand it, NASA did not order a ship to drive tourists.

            So "Dragon" - this is not NASA's property, but the Mask. When the ISS program ends, it will continue to be the property of Mask. By then, the ship is already flying enough to judge its reliability, and Musk can sell seats on it to tourists or employees of private and public organizations to work in orbit.

            They spent more than $ 6 billion in taxpayer election campaigns.

            For you - the pre-election show, for specialists - this is a modern spaceship))
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              123 (123) 1 June 2020 13: 41
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              Read some story about Buzz Aldrin’s hook, which he made to one of the “lunar plotters.”
              Well, okay, they won’t hurt you, they just lose or even smile condescendingly - well, what to take from an amateur))

              Such stories are not interesting to me, but it hurts I am still able to do it myself.

              Like the SpaceX spacesuits. They also passed all the necessary tests for ergonomics, reliability, safety, etc. Do you not think that NASA simply dressed its astronauts in a beautiful suit and launched into orbit?

              I think they need to kick out their couturiers. The suit is “work clothes” and not a fancy dress, all the more so, everyone has different concepts about beautiful costumes, they would have dressed them in batman.

              There are no "designer tricks". Just the suits of SpaceX design (if we talk about appearance) is very minimalistic.

              It’s foolish to deny what hangs in YouTube. Review the broadcast recording. These clowns made them as if they were in jackets.

              Well, nobody really cares about your personal aesthetic preferences))

              At least it excites you. You are hooked on this.

              And I don’t discuss your personal preferences. You noticed that their spacesuits have "rubber boots" - I gave you an example that they have exactly the same boots on Russian spacesuits.

              That is what you are doing now. yes Right now.

              I don’t care at all)) I’m talking about your competence (which is not), which is the basis for saying what Russian cosmonautics need or do not need.

              Are you trying to judge my intonation competency? belay

              As I already told you, the ISS carries not only water and food, but also equipment that is placed not only inside the station, but also outside. Places there - you can fill up.

              The ISS is not rubber and it is not a warehouse. Stop coming up with stupid things. There is no real need for this. Nobody will spend a lot of money on delivery of unnecessary cargo.

              That's right, expensive, because the cost of one seat on the Union for Americans is $ 90 million

              Do you think Dragon will be cheaper? What is your idea of ​​a more frequent crew change?

              Most likely extended until 2028.

              How will this increase Dragon's load in the near future? Do not litter the chat with stupid things.

              So the station already actually is - this is the ISS. When the state program ends, it can simply be transferred to private owners.

              You start to bore. You wrote about the new station. How will that hypothetical station transfer in the future allow loading the Dragon now?

              So "Dragon" - this is not NASA's property, but the Mask. When the ISS program ends, it will continue to be the property of Mask. By then, the ship is already flying enough to judge its reliability, and Musk can sell seats on it to tourists or employees of private and public organizations to work in orbit.

              The ISS agreement until 2024, and you think that he will carry tourists right now. Problems with time orientation?

              For you - the pre-election show, for specialists - this is a modern spaceship))

              More precisely, two ships for $ 6 billion, which have nowhere to fly. This is an election show. Which will end badly for everyone. They will begin to build a military station.
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                Cyril (Kirill) 1 June 2020 14: 22
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                I think they need to kick their couturiers out, the suit is “work clothes”, not a fancy dress

                As I told you, no one at NASA and SpaceX cares what you, amateur, think about the functionality and design of their spacesuits))

                Moreover, the concept of beautiful costumes is different for everyone

                That's it)) Your opinion is just a taste.

                It’s foolish to deny what hangs in YouTube. Review the broadcast recording. These clowns made them as if they were in jackets.

                laughing laughing Ek bothers you))

                That is what you are doing now. yes right now

                No, YOU are doing this, not me)) You are talking about what you personally, an amateur, like and what not))

                Are you trying to judge my intonation competency?

                No, of course)) How can you judge your competence if you do not have it?

                The ISS is not rubber and it is not a warehouse. Stop coming up with stupid things. There is no real need for this.

                Again said a man who had nothing to do with astronautics, had never been to the ISS, how it was arranged — he didn’t know)) But he knew what needs were there and what weren’t)) It's a pity NASA did not ask you))

                Do you think Dragon will be cheaper?

                You can not compare 55 million with 90 million?)) It seems that comparisons are already in the 1st or 2nd form of secondary school))

                What is your idea of ​​a more frequent crew change?

                All right. If sending one astronaut began to cost almost 2 times cheaper for the USA, then for the same amount you can send people into orbit 2 times more often. It’s elementary, what are you doing?

                How will this increase Dragon's load in the near future? Do not litter the chat with stupid things.

                That you write nonsense)) Why only in the "near future" something?))

                How will that hypothetical station transfer in the future allow loading the Dragon now?

                And who says only about "Now"? Dragon is not being developed for the next 4 years. In addition, Axiom Space plans to launch on the ISS in its programs as early as 2020.

                ISS Agreement until 2024

                It is likely to be extended.

                Do you think that he will carry tourists right now

                Why not? Roscosmos is already taking tourists to the ISS, why can't Musk?

                More precisely, two ships for $ 6 billion, which have nowhere to fly.

                This is in your "humble" amateurish opinion nowhere to fly))

                This is an election show.

                Repetition does not make your words true, and your opinion professional))

                Which will end badly for everyone.

                For you - yes)) Heart attack, probably))

                They will begin to build a military station.

                That is, the use of Dragon in any case will be))
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        Rashid116 (Rashid) 2 June 2020 10: 07
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        123 - not mastered. "A lot of beech." You can briefly thank you.
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          Rashid116 (Rashid) 2 June 2020 10: 12
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          Opponent too. It looks like you have some sort of showdown.
  3. Alexey Grigoryev (Alexey Grigoriev) 31 May 2020 17: 32
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    Again, you lied, the United States offered Russia the joint use of its and Russian rockets to deliver astronauts to the ISS. In Russia, they are still thinking.
  4. Citizen Mѣshkov (Sergey G) 31 May 2020 18: 51
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    What does it mean? Those. Roscosmos plans to curtail its own production of rockets and switch to Crew Dragon (which means “Dragon Gang”).
    PS It’s time for Rogozin to resign!
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    Alexei Ushakov (Alexey Ushakov) 31 May 2020 19: 16
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    How much op flames)) In fact, from the usual news. Ali all hoped that the Amerekos would not be able to launch? )) Or did someone believe that these ala - "Amerekites will shit will fly to the babub" ?? And before that she did not fly? Well, if they hadn’t taken off, in six months they would have taken off. Well, there will now be one astronaut and an astronaut per ship, both on the Unions, on the Dragons. (They have been talking about this for a long time) Sadness only, in fact, for Ragozin, a 500 million feeder breaks off. Well, now it might be combed.