US invited Russia to the "lunar program"

29 May 2020 30

The United States invited the Russian Federation to participate in the construction of the Gateway international space station in orbit of the Earth’s natural satellite. Roscosmos received a corresponding memorandum from NASA. It is reported by the Russian agency RIA News".

According to Americans, the work was agreed with the US Department of State. Roscosmos is developing its position on the project, which will formulate the principles of the country's participation in the program

- stated in the space department of the Russian Federation.

Negotiations on the construction of a space station near the moon began in 2013. A year later, Rogozin called the development of our satellite a strategic task. In September 2017, the Russian and American sides entered into an agreement of intent to create a Gateway.

In September 2018, the United States Space Department announced that the United States will play a leading role in the “lunar program”. The Russian side, through the mouth of the head of Roskosmos, Sergei Rogozin, then replied that she did not agree with the participation of the Russian Federation in the exploration of the Moon in the background. He also added that the lunar station could be created by the consolidated efforts of the BRICS countries. In 2019, the general director of Roscosmos announced the readiness of the Russian Federation to return to negotiations on the “lunar program”.

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shadow

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29 May 2020 18: 10

Why aren’t you able to? Why should Roskosmos invite? They are the very same.
1. monman
  
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  29 May 2020 18: 46
  
  If you have younger siblings, then you know - if you give candy, then there will be friendship and silence in the house ...
  1. shadow
    
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    29 May 2020 20: 54
    
    These are American younger brothers. They cannot build a station on their own, nor can they send an astronaut. Even engines - and then they buy from us. Maybe you're right about the younger ones).
2. Observer2014
  
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  31 May 2020 13: 38
  
  Quote: Shadows
  Why aren’t you able to? Why should Roskosmos invite? They are the very same.
  
  Because ROSKOSMOS has money, like that of a Latvian ... And the people working there - they want to work and invent. Moreover, they want their products to be alive, and not on paper, due to lack of funds. And not Urya on the sites to climb to yell. And for ROSKOSMOS it is a great prospect to remain on the cutting edge of technological progress. There is nothing wrong with the word at all. They themselves are not able to pull such an object. Therefore, we will occupy the place where our leadership brought us to this period of history.
boriz

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29 May 2020 18: 50

They themselves cannot, they need unskilled laborers, and they will only distribute TSU and bend their fingers.
There is nothing for us to do there.
1. shadow
  
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  29 May 2020 18: 58
  
  So it seems they are not going to deal with inexperts. At least Rogozin Solovyov said that while we will build stations in orbit. The ISS will end, then its projects.
  1. monman
    
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    29 May 2020 20: 47
    
    ..we are going to build stations in orbit. The ISS will end, then its projects.
    
    So "build" or "projects"? Or "build projects"?
2. orange
  
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  30 May 2020 12: 36
  
  Keep your friends close and your enemies even closer.
  
  Machiavelli
  
  So the United States can keep abreast of Russia's intentions, receive first-hand information and technology, study strengths, learn weaknesses, save on spies, in the end.
Cyril

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29 May 2020 19: 44

Rogozin turns his nose, turns - and he agrees. They also resented the ISS at one time - they say, yes, we have Mir-2 almost ready.
123

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29 May 2020 22: 23

Drive these nonsense with a rag.
monman

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30 May 2020 02: 36

Honestly, I shoveled the Internet to the bottom, trying to find this info in English - I didn’t find anything. Most likely, there was a business email from NASA to someone in Roscosmos with some suggestion. And if Rogozin repeats his phrase that “we will not be on the sidelines”, then the next invitation will follow when someone else will manage Roscosmos (my opinion). By the way, while rummaging around, I found that Russia was finishing some kind of rocket to the moon and the first flight in 2021, as well as 3 moon rovers, which should be launched in 2023-25.
Dust

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30 May 2020 03: 17

As a younger brother? Or a pizza delivery man?
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shinobi

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30 May 2020 03: 31

And the "bidding" is about to begin. The Americans are well aware that they cannot do without our experience in long-term orbital missions. Private rocket companies - sounds beautiful and proud. I have no doubt that commercial space exploration will be behind them someday. In perspective. In the meantime, only 3 states can really pull something big. Russia, USA and China.
1. monman
  
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  30 May 2020 16: 09
  
  In the meantime, only 3 states can really pull something big. Russia, USA and China.
  
  Enough already to measure flight into space with rockets only! The USA has a rocket (Mask), it needs a near-moon station (Canada, Australia), it needs a shuttle for delivery from the station to the Moon, and it needs a residential and engineering unit on the Moon! Russia was not invited to build rockets, but to build something more intellectual / no less complicated. He will have something to offer, he will be able to build for his grandmas on time - they will let him into the company, but no - sorry ....
  1. shinobi
    
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    30 May 2020 17: 49
    
    And who was talking about rockets? Experience implies not only the engineering and design school, but also the ability of the state to embody ideas and solutions in metal. Therefore, I say that only Russia has the experience required to build long-term space stations. No matter how the Americans tried to adopt it, their program has not worked out since the time of the skyleb, the results are unintelligible. Although the ISS was built by modules of different states, it was still according to the specifications of the USSR. That is why NASA immediately played off its claims to the station, when Roscosmos threatened to stop serving the ISS, and after 25, undock the Russian segment. China is only about to launch its station and in fact repeats the path of the USSR. They are great and will gain experience over time. Therefore, I am talking about 3 states.
    PS The Yankees could well have pulled the lunar program alone, if not for the shuttle shutdown. With her, they closed the superheavy carrier program. Now, due to the peculiarities of American industry, they will have to start all over again, although when performing the orbital module irreversible, which is justified for lunar orbital missions, this LV could pull up to 80 tons of cargo into space. The usefulness of the Shuttles themselves is very controversial, since it put into orbit only 24,5 tons of cargo, which our Protons performed with the same success and two times cheaper.
    1. monman
      
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      30 May 2020 18: 22
      
      Although the ISS was built by modules of different states, it was still according to the specifications of the USSR.
      
      From Wiki:
      
      The ISS consists of 16 pressurized modules: four Russian modules (Pirs, Zvezda, Search and Dawn), nine American modules (Zarya, BEAM, Leonardo, Harmony, Quest ”,“ Calmness ”,“ Unity ”,“ Dome ”and“ Destiny ”), two Japanese modules. (JEM-ELM-PS and JEM-PM) and one European module (Columbus).
      
      Do you want to say that the Americans, Japanese, Europeans copied the USSR program 20 years after the collapse and created the ISS? Himself not funny?
      Although the scientific module Zarya has a Russian name, it was built by Russia according to the drawings of amers and their grandmothers - it cannot be unfastened from the ISS. All yours is possible. But you can bargain for the toilets - they are made by Russia and work perfectly.
      I don’t know where you got the info about the backwardness of amers on creating some segments. If you are talking about the 60s, then it is possible, but in 2020 ???
      C'mon man !!!
      1. shinobi
        
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        31 May 2020 01: 29
        
        If you don't understand the word "specification" and stick to the USSR, I have nothing to talk about with you. For reference, uniform specifications for station equipment (docking stations, power grid, parameters of the radio navigation unit, general geometry and materials of modules) were developed under the Soyuz-Apollo program back in the 70s. Since then, little has changed and is unlikely to change in the next 25 years. Measuring everything with money and admiring the USA? A big disappointment awaits you, I sympathize. We, the older generation, have already passed this stage.
    2. Cyril
      
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      31 May 2020 11: 19
      
      Therefore, I say that only Russia has the experience required to build long-term space stations. No matter how the Americans tried to adopt it, their program has not worked out since the time of the skyleb, the results are unintelligible.
      
      The Americans were fine with Skylab. The station went out of orbit due to an unexpected increase in solar activity, which led to an increase in the Earth's atmosphere, due to which the station slowed down its flight and went out of orbit.
      1. shinobi
        
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        3 June 2020 07: 17
        
        Yeah. For some reason, ours don't go. On the skylab such advanced Yankees, for some reason, apparently, this was such a cunning move, they did not install shunting engines. So he blurted out of orbit due to braking on the earth's gas plume. Somehow he was not included in the calculations of NASA. Stories about "increased solar activity", a fairy tale for their layman.
    3. Cyril
      
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      31 May 2020 11: 20
      
      Although the ISS was built by modules of different states, it was still according to the specifications of the USSR.
      
      No, in the US, Japan, and ESA segments, specifications are not Soviet. There are even docking nodes there.
      1. shinobi
        
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        3 June 2020 07: 31
        
        Yes, yes, and the earth is flat, and Gagarin did not fly anywhere. The general rules for the construction of space objects of general operation were signed at the interstate level in the 70s by all space powers and equated to them.
        
        Cyril
        
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        3 June 2020 07: 48
        
        Yes, yes, and the earth is flat, and Gagarin did not fly anywhere
        
        You would have said that to the "lunar conspiracy debunkers", not to me.
        
        The general rules for the construction of space objects of general operation were signed at the interstate level in the 70s by all space powers and equated to them.
        
        Do not talk nonsense. Even in the Soyuz-Apollo program, everyone had their own standards, only a docking station was common. Even the composition of the atmosphere on both ships was different.
        
        shinobi
        
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        3 June 2020 09: 12
        
        The atmosphere, you say, is different? What are you smoking there? How can the atmosphere on the ISS be different in different parts if the hatches in the adapters are closed only by an emergency protocol and the supply is centralized? I know that each module is equipped with an autonomous system for extreme situations. And yes, these issues were settled and settled on the Apollo Union. No need to put in one basket purely US ship troubles and international standards, and technical regulations.
        
        Cyril
        
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        3 June 2020 10: 55
        
        How can the atmosphere on the ISS be different in different parts if the hatches in the adapters are closed only by an emergency protocol and the supply is centralized?
        
        I was not talking about the ISS.
        
        No need to put in one basket purely US ship troubles and international standards and technical regulations.
        
        That's it, that on the ISS international standardsand not the standards of the USSR. So drink a pill, calm down and don’t panic.
        
        shinobi
        
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        5 June 2020 19: 54
        
        Who do you think set these "international standards"? And if you were not talking about the ISS, then you have no idea about the intermediate station near the Moon (the construction of which, in fact, the Yankees spoke about, inviting us to their program). By participating in this razvodilovo, Russia does not receive anything, and for this it gives up its "outdated" technologies for building long-term orbital architectures. Therefore, the refusal followed. You can't trust the Yankees in anything. All this, the lunar program and the flight to Mars, is one big scam. The private sector will not invest a cent where no profit is expected.
        
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Winnie

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31 May 2020 08: 56

The United States invited the Russian Federation to participate in the construction of the Gateway international space station in orbit of the Earth’s natural satellite.

What for? Unclear.
What can a poor and backward country have to offer to a space power? Unfulfilled projects of ships and LV? Broken deadlines?
The only thing that can be used in the Russian Federation is a production base, where Russians will realize other people's ideas for grandmas.
Well, maybe even out of respect for the former merits of the USSR. Although such a country no longer exists and this is no longer an authority.
1. shinobi
  
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  3 June 2020 09: 20
  
  What can? Yes, a lot of things. Google to the rescue. But is it necessary?
alexandrmakedo

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15 June 2020 20: 21

Quote: Cyril
Therefore, I say that only Russia has the experience required to build long-term space stations. No matter how the Americans tried to adopt it, their program has not worked out since the time of the skyleb, the results are unintelligible.

The Americans were fine with Skylab. The station went out of orbit due to an unexpected increase in solar activity, which led to an increase in the Earth's atmosphere, due to which the station slowed down its flight and went out of orbit.

Do not know - do not say. Only three expeditions visited Skylab, and for the sole purpose of repairing it. It didn’t work, the station froze. We saved our World, but at what cost. And then, not for long.
alexandrmakedo

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15 June 2020 20: 33

Quote: Winnie
The United States invited the Russian Federation to participate in the construction of the Gateway international space station in orbit of the Earth’s natural satellite.

What for? Unclear.
What can a poor and backward country have to offer to a space power? Unfulfilled projects of ships and LV? Broken deadlines?
The only thing that can be used in the Russian Federation is a production base, where Russians will realize other people's ideas for grandmas.
Well, maybe even out of respect for the former merits of the USSR. Although such a country no longer exists and this is no longer an authority.

Teach a fool to pray to God, he will break his forehead. Teach you to click on the keyboard ....
The designer can do something more worthwhile, and real, if he knows for sure the production technology of his product. He will know the nomenclature of metals, plastics, adhesives, sealants, and all that’s a hundred thousand things. If you don’t imagine a damn thing about my capabilities, equipment, tools that I have, then you can’t draw anything. And you’ll draw - I’ll throw it all away. Since I can’t do everything on the existing one.
So, you can construct efficiently only by looking at your workshop.
Searchlight, you don’t understand anything, but you’re climbing.
alexandrmakedo

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15 June 2020 20: 58

The station needs to do its own. Large, hundreds of years of existence there. With artificial gravity. As an intermediate for flying to the moon and Mars. Build slowly. Parts that are not suitable for lifting from the Earth in size or weight - print there in 3D, in orbit. With good nuclear power. Stop running after competitors. Make them run after us. If we do it for five decades, nothing, but it will work for a long time. And, while the ISS lives - occasionally fly there, so as not to lose qualifications.