In Russia, recognized the danger of Crew Dragon for Roskosmos


If the launch of the American manned mission to the ISS on the new Crew Dragon ship postponed on Saturday still takes place, then this will have an extremely negative effect on Roscosmos. This was announced the day before. "Izvestia" IKP Director Ivan Moiseev.


The bottom line is that having its own transport system at its disposal, NASA will stop buying seats in the Russian Soyuz. In the best years, this brought Roskosmos up to $ 500 million in terms of current prices. At the same time, the Americans have reduced the number of orders for the last couple of years.

So from our point of view economicsit's a big hit

- summed up the expert.

Moiseev believes that now state-owned corporations will have to focus more on the domestic market, where services will be provided free of charge (the state pays for them). Therefore, in the absence of external motivation, Roscosmos will be forced to minimize new developments and modernize old ones that have been tested by time.

Recall that on May 27 the first manned flight of an American spacecraft to the ISS from 2011 was to take place. However, at the last moment, the mission was postponed until May 30 due to adverse weather conditions.

The contract between NASA and Roscosmos, involving the delivery of one astronaut to the International Space Station for $ 90 million, expires in October this year. In the case of a successful Crew Dragon flight, this agreement may be the last, as the Americans will acquire their own transport system.
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  1. Cyril Offline Cyril
    Cyril (Kirill) 30 May 2020 11: 53
    +1
    NASA will not completely abandon the Soyuz - most likely, they will buy seats on the Soyuz as a backup system if something goes wrong with their ships. Another point is that they will pay less for these places than now. Or there will be barter of places on American and Russian ships.
    1. 123 Offline 123
      123 (123) 30 May 2020 15: 37
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      NASA will not completely abandon the Soyuz - most likely, they will buy seats on the Soyuz as a backup system if something goes wrong with their ships. Another point is that they will pay less for these places than now. Or there will be barter of places on American and Russian ships.

      They developed 2 different ships with similar characteristics and are still insured by the Unions. Do you think it's just a lack of confidence in reliability?
      1. Cyril Offline Cyril
        Cyril (Kirill) 30 May 2020 15: 41
        +2
        Do you think it's just a lack of confidence in reliability?

        Until both ships break in sufficiently - of course, they will keep the third reserve system in reserve.
        1. 123 Offline 123
          123 (123) 30 May 2020 15: 54
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          Until both ships break in sufficiently - of course, they will keep the third reserve system in reserve.

          I understand that this approach does not raise any questions for you? Doesn't it suggest any thoughts?
          1. Cyril Offline Cyril
            Cyril (Kirill) 30 May 2020 15: 56
            +3
            It leads. At the thought that NASA is calculating all the options and reinsuring itself in advance)) It is a completely normal approach.
            1. 123 Offline 123
              123 (123) 30 May 2020 16: 30
              +1
              Well, of course, what other answer could I expect. laughing Religion does not allow a shadow of doubt? winked
              1. Cyril Offline Cyril
                Cyril (Kirill) 30 May 2020 17: 03
                -1
                What religion are you talking about? I'm kind of agnostic, not a religious person.

                I don’t see anything religious or even strange that the US space agency provides a variety of options for maintaining its manned program.
  2. 123 Offline 123
    123 (123) 30 May 2020 11: 56
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    It turns out that even "cosmopolitan" can sometimes say something interesting. winked

    The bottom line is that having its own transport system at its disposal, NASA will stop buying seats in the Russian Soyuz. In the best years, this brought Roskosmos up to $ 500 million in terms of current prices. Wherein the last couple of years, Americans have already reduced the number of orders

    It turns out that the last two years they send fewer people into orbit. what Let me remind you, Dragon's capacity is 7 people. Sooner or less, Boeing completed his pelvis, there are 7 more people there. I want to see where they all gathered to fly. smile
    1. Arkharov Offline Arkharov
      Arkharov (Grigory Arkharov) 30 May 2020 13: 59
      -3
      And how many Russian astronauts fly per year? Whom will the Unions carry?
      1. 123 Offline 123
        123 (123) 30 May 2020 15: 34
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        And how many Russian astronauts fly per year? Whom will the Unions carry?

        Ask cosmopolitan or google for help.
    2. Cyril Offline Cyril
      Cyril (Kirill) 30 May 2020 14: 16
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      Naturally, they reduced it, because prices for one place in the Soyuz were increased from $ 40 to $ 90 million.
      1. 123 Offline 123
        123 (123) 30 May 2020 15: 33
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        Naturally, they reduced it, because prices for one place in the Soyuz were increased from $ 40 to $ 90 million.

        Having developed two similar ships at once, did you save a lot?
        1. Cyril Offline Cyril
          Cyril (Kirill) 30 May 2020 15: 39
          -2
          One place on Dragon costs 55 million. 35-40 million cheaper. The presence of two similar ships makes NASA completely independent of Roscosmos - even if one of these ships fails, there will always be a second one.
          1. 123 Offline 123
            123 (123) 30 May 2020 15: 51
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            One place on Dragon costs 55 million. 35-40 million cheaper. The presence of two similar ships makes NASA completely independent of Roscosmos - even if one of these ships fails, there will always be a second one.

            Iron logic. How prudent. And if both ships fail, and Roscosmos does not deliver, then how? Maybe it's time to develop a third ship?

            1. Cyril Offline Cyril
              Cyril (Kirill) 30 May 2020 15: 57
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              And if both ships fail, and Roscosmos does not deliver, then how?

              The probability of this is low. And "Roskosmos" will bring it - he needs money)
              1. 123 Offline 123
                123 (123) 30 May 2020 16: 31
                +3
                The probability of this is low. And "Roskosmos" will bring it - he needs money)

                What if the Union refuses? Somehow not prudent of them, do not you? laughing
                1. Cyril Offline Cyril
                  Cyril (Kirill) 30 May 2020 17: 01
                  -1
                  What if a meteorite tomorrow and we all die? Oh ...
        2. Arkharov Offline Arkharov
          Arkharov (Grigory Arkharov) 30 May 2020 16: 11
          0
          It is not a matter of saving. A rich country can afford it in such a serious matter. The approach is right.
    3. letinant Offline letinant
      letinant (Alexey) 1 June 2020 06: 07
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      In the best years, this brought Roskosmos up to $ 500 million in terms of current prices.

      A very strange proposal, two questions arise at once. The first, in what specific years, Roscosmos received from the US budget 500 million dollars. If we take into account that a maximum of 3 manned launches take place per year. In each crew, one, sometimes two places with the Americans. Each 20 million, then MAKS 120 million. The second question, what exactly is the "current money"? What kind of money is this? What are their names? And in general, the article is very strange. I understand that I want to create a resonance so that there is more abuse in the forum. But I didn’t. No specifics, so, a simple suspension of the suspension on the fan.
  3. mark1 Offline mark1
    mark1 30 May 2020 12: 45
    +2
    What stupidity is from "iksperda", and even before the end of time, Roscosmos counted on a gesheft from a cab (and even if so, why do we need it so flawed?)
  4. Dan Offline Dan
    Dan (Daniel) 30 May 2020 12: 55
    +3
    If the launch of the American manned mission to the ISS on the new Crew Dragon ship, postponed on Saturday, nevertheless takes place, then this will have an extremely negative effect on Roscosmos.

    I think that this situation should be taken into account in the business plans of Roscosmos. The United States will sooner or later launch production and launches of manned ships. We must be prepared for this today.
  5. kriten Offline kriten
    kriten (Vladimir) 30 May 2020 14: 44
    +3
    Roscosmos is affected more by the fact that for 30 years they spread rot on science and threw scientists out of the country as unnecessary and expensive garbage. The last regimen, which has only recently come to its senses, contributed a lot to this.
    1. Alexey Grigoryev (Alexey Grigoriev) 30 May 2020 18: 21
      0
      The regime is in the zone, and in Russia the elected government.
      And if you do not go to the polls, then these are your personal problems.
  6. cmonman Offline cmonman
    cmonman (Garik Mokin) 30 May 2020 17: 32
    +1
    Here's what NASA says about buying a seat in the Union:

    Why does NASA need to buy a place in the Soyuz rocket?
    The decision to buy a place in the Soyuz rocket is a guarantee that NASA will always have several of its astronauts on the ISS in order to maintain its presence.
    Chris Cassidy is currently the only NASA astronaut present at the station, along with two Russian cosmonauts Anatoly Ivanishin and Ivan Wagner. He flew to the ISS in April this year at the last available Soyuz space and is due to return this year.
    A space station can usually accommodate about six members at a time. There are currently only three members on board. To help the crew with a lack of hands on board the ISS, Benken and Hurley will spend more than a month, not weeks, as originally planned.
    NASA was also forced to buy extra space due to a delay in the crew program for both Boeing and SpaceX. Both private space companies faced security and technical problems with their spacecraft, which left NASA astronauts in a quandary.

    As long as NASA has $$$ to pay for seats, so as not to disrupt tests / tasks / programs on board, NASA will do this because what astronauts on board do is very valuable and well paid by customers (not everything is paid - NASA sponsors a lot for schools and universities).
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  8. Frol_2 Offline Frol_2
    Frol_2 (Boris Baskov) 30 May 2020 21: 43
    +3
    Will the ISS still exist for a long time? Maybe not for long. And what will happen next? All the same, we must count on national projects.
    1. Winnie Offline Winnie
      Winnie (Winnie) 31 May 2020 07: 32
      0
      The ISS has been in operation from the end of 1998 to the present (countries have agreed to operate up to and including 2024; extension of the term of service to 2028, 2030 is being considered).

      Roscosmos plans to abandon manned space exploration, since "all" tasks can be solved automatically. There is an emerging degradation of the industry.
      The launch of the Science module as a national project has been repeatedly delayed since 2007. The last expected launch date is no earlier than the 2nd quarter of 2021.
  9. paramidon tabletkin (paramidon tabletkin) 31 May 2020 00: 34
    -1
    The expert said nothing. How did Roskosmos live until 2011?
  10. Citizen Mѣshkov (Sergѣi) 31 May 2020 01: 26
    +6
    So, you see, Roscosmos will start launching its astronauts “using a trampoline” if they continue to procrastinate the myth of “effective managers”.
  11. Winnie Offline Winnie
    Winnie (Winnie) 31 May 2020 07: 12
    +1
    If the launch of the American manned mission to the ISS on the new Crew Dragon ship, postponed on Saturday, nevertheless takes place, then this will have an extremely negative effect on Roscosmos.

    Now Rogozin, like Kozlevich with the "Wildebeest", will stand on the side of the road into space and call passers-by with shouts of "Oh, I’ll pump it!" laughing
  12. Winnie Offline Winnie
    Winnie (Winnie) 31 May 2020 07: 53
    +1
    So, from the point of view of our economy, this is a strong blow.

    Interestingly, but this “strong blow” will affect Rogozin’s salary? lol
  13. Strag Offline Strag
    Strag (Alexander) 31 May 2020 08: 57
    -2
    The seats are already bought by the Americans for the Unions! But this is logical for now. As for those who shout "everything is gone")) but that's right, yes, there are losses, but not critical! Since the launches of Americans at our alliances could not fully realize what the launches wanted, they are limited + additional motivation Rogozin will receive an additional kick from Putin. In general, it will add inertia)
  14. Cyril Offline Cyril
    Cyril (Kirill) 31 May 2020 11: 22
    0
    That flew. With the initiative in manned space exploration, Ilon.
  15. Oyo Sarkazmi Online Oyo Sarkazmi
    Oyo Sarkazmi (Oyo Sarkazmi) 31 May 2020 12: 59
    0
    Information for the author: Dragon is designed for only 4 launches to the ISS. 4 more launches are scheduled by Starliner from Boeing. 8 launches in the next 8 years. 1 per year ...
  16. alessio Offline alessio
    alessio (Oleg Tarasenko) 31 May 2020 20: 10
    0
    And so they worked directly, unhappy ....
  17. Mikhail Belozerov (Mikhail Belozerov) 1 June 2020 08: 14
    0
    What is there to be afraid of? On the third launch, it will explode.